| 00:00.15 | blast007 | it'll show a little "FPS" counter just above the mouse box |
| 00:00.21 | Murielle | mister T is too strong for me to hit him, sorry |
| 00:00.26 | Murielle | :) |
| 00:00.33 | Murielle | ok..i amgoing to hit T |
| 00:01.05 | BulletCatcher | You are quick and could hit Mr. T, but he might not notice. :-) |
| 00:01.13 | JefferyM | he's pretty old now |
| 00:01.36 | Murielle | 19-22 |
| 00:01.38 | Murielle | no |
| 00:01.41 | Murielle | 19-24 |
| 00:01.42 | JefferyM | that's pretty low |
| 00:02.03 | Murielle | i have disable almost everything |
| 00:02.15 | BulletCatcher | 24 FPS is about the lowest I can stand. |
| 00:02.17 | JefferyM | then perhaps that laptop is not the best for playing high speed action video games |
| 00:02.39 | Murielle | nodont tell me that!!! |
| 00:02.51 | JefferyM | not all computers are the best for all things |
| 00:02.59 | JefferyM | that low of a fps will affect your pings |
| 00:03.03 | blast007 | wow, 24 is crap |
| 00:03.09 | blast007 | what video chipset is that? |
| 00:03.11 | JefferyM | yeah 30 is usualy bare minium |
| 00:03.17 | Murielle | wait. i am not the best so i do not need the best computer |
| 00:03.19 | JefferyM | you could see if there are better drivers |
| 00:03.26 | blast007 | even my old Pentium M can do better (though at 640x480) ;) |
| 00:03.36 | JefferyM | then don't complain about your jitter :) |
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| 00:03.46 | Murielle | i do not complain...others do |
| 00:03.54 | JefferyM | so ignore them |
| 00:03.58 | blast007 | Murielle: what video chipset is that? |
| 00:04.05 | Murielle | not so easy jeffm |
| 00:04.15 | JefferyM | and what OS? |
| 00:04.29 | Murielle | u cant imagine how meanie some people are and take my jitter for pretext |
| 00:04.33 | Murielle | ubuntu |
| 00:04.38 | Wreckage | Murielle: that k button is sometimes hard to reach... |
| 00:04.50 | Murielle | k button ? |
| 00:04.53 | JefferyM | what video chipset does it have? |
| 00:05.02 | Murielle | how could i know? |
| 00:05.07 | Murielle | lspci? right? |
| 00:05.20 | Wreckage | Murielle: k on keyboard to silence meanies |
| 00:06.00 | Murielle | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.12 | JefferyM | I'm soo sorry |
| 00:06.18 | JefferyM | yeah see if there is a newer driver |
| 00:06.22 | Murielle | they do not only send messages Wreckage |
| 00:06.27 | Murielle | they do more |
| 00:06.43 | Murielle | u sorry, JefferyM ? |
| 00:06.54 | JefferyM | for that chipset |
| 00:06.58 | Murielle | :P |
| 00:07.13 | JefferyM | you may want to try lower the resolution |
| 00:07.24 | Murielle | anyway..i have stolen this laptop..it was in the hand of a old woman |
| 00:07.28 | Murielle | so... |
| 00:07.30 | Murielle | :P |
| 00:07.37 | Murielle | (( joking )) |
| 00:07.57 | Murielle | does it help if i play fullscreen? |
| 00:07.58 | blast007 | probably not gonna get all that great of performance on linux with that chipset |
| 00:08.20 | JefferyM | windows may play better |
| 00:08.42 | bartleby | murielle is a linux zealot |
| 00:08.44 | blast007 | my old aging 855 chipset does way better, and that's much older than the 4 series chipset |
| 00:08.50 | blast007 | (in Windows) |
| 00:08.51 | Murielle | blast007: i tried in VMware...it is worse |
| 00:08.53 | Murielle | :D |
| 00:08.54 | blast007 | uh |
| 00:08.56 | JefferyM | well yeah |
| 00:08.57 | blast007 | duh? |
| 00:09.01 | Murielle | nnaaah |
| 00:09.02 | JefferyM | that's no hardware support |
| 00:09.13 | bartleby | yet |
| 00:09.18 | blast007 | wouldn't matter |
| 00:09.27 | blast007 | she'd still be basing it on the sucky linux drivers |
| 00:09.34 | JefferyM | you need it to draw faster, that's it |
| 00:09.50 | JefferyM | and yeah the linux ones arn't as good as the windows ones |
| 00:09.51 | Murielle | less detail, maybe? |
| 00:09.55 | JefferyM | maybe |
| 00:09.57 | blast007 | or more detail |
| 00:09.59 | JefferyM | lower res would help |
| 00:10.03 | JefferyM | try stuff and see |
| 00:10.07 | Murielle | more detail? |
| 00:10.10 | blast007 | if you have some stuff turned off that can actually make it run slower |
| 00:10.26 | JefferyM | modern chips are optimised for specific settings |
| 00:10.53 | trepan | none of which are to be found in bz code... |
| 00:11.05 | JefferyM | heh |
| 00:11.20 | Murielle | wooo it is beatiful with all details |
| 00:11.25 | bartleby | don't intel vid chipsets have lots of problems too? |
| 00:11.31 | Murielle | i have never seen it b4 |
| 00:11.34 | JefferyM | they are not awesome |
| 00:11.46 | Murielle | but it decreased to 14 |
| 00:11.53 | Murielle | but seem constant |
| 00:12.14 | JefferyM | that will add more lag |
| 00:12.28 | JefferyM | you will have to try different things over time and see |
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| 00:16.54 | blast007 | Murielle: I run the game at 640x480 resolution |
| 00:17.07 | blast007 | you should also check to see if it's actually using hardware acceleration |
| 00:17.34 | Murielle | are u playing fullscreen? |
| 00:17.37 | blast007 | (check what it shows for a renderer when you start the client - should say down at the bottom somewhere) |
| 00:17.40 | blast007 | yes |
| 00:17.47 | Murielle | i use windowed |
| 00:17.50 | blast007 | I run with most everything turned up to max in the display settings |
| 00:18.04 | Murielle | i try |
| 00:18.07 | blast007 | I leave shadows, lighting, and energy saver off |
| 00:18.14 | blast007 | and then I turn off any effects |
| 00:18.25 | blast007 | (effects settings menu) |
| 00:18.36 | blast007 | and under the GUI settings menu, I set the radar style to 'fast' |
| 00:19.56 | blast007 | oh, and I think I have quality at 'high' because 'experimental' makes the ground look wacky on my chipset |
| 00:20.14 | temporalD | verb/noun tense problem, probably |
| 00:20.55 | blast007 | and I have anisotropic turned off (though my chipset only goes as high as 2x aniso anyway) |
| 00:22.05 | blast007 | and on MW2 I can push out 40 to 60 FPS normally, though I saw it drop to 25 - but I'm also running firefox in the background |
| 00:22.32 | blast007 | your chipset should be a good bit faster than mine |
| 00:23.27 | Murielle | jitt is around 8-24 on rabbit map |
| 00:24.06 | blast007 | what is your FPS? |
| 00:24.59 | Murielle | 45 |
| 00:25.34 | blast007 | well, that's getting better |
| 00:25.42 | blast007 | what resolution are you running at? |
| 00:25.45 | Murielle | but it doesnt help my jit |
| 00:25.49 | Murielle | 640 |
| 00:28.53 | Murielle | i willtry to increase my lag artificially to get a 0 jitter |
| 00:29.14 | blast007 | what does your client show for the 'OpenGL Driver' when you start it? |
| 00:29.21 | blast007 | you won't get 0 jitter by doing that |
| 00:29.28 | blast007 | you'll just have the same jitter and more lag |
| 00:29.34 | Murielle | but.... |
| 00:29.45 | blast007 | or heck, you might even give yourself MORE jitter |
| 00:29.52 | Murielle | really? |
| 00:29.54 | Murielle | why? |
| 00:30.29 | blast007 | because you'd be delaying data, and your delay code would only run once per frame as well, so that wouldn't solve anything |
| 00:31.12 | blast007 | so, next, answer the question I asked you |
| 00:31.15 | Murielle | u mean that i would keep te jit cause it isnot due to my client ? |
| 00:31.30 | blast007 | "what does your client show for the 'OpenGL Driver' when you start it?" |
| 00:31.36 | Murielle | where i can found opengl driver? |
| 00:31.43 | Murielle | find* |
| 00:31.55 | blast007 | when you start the client |
| 00:31.59 | blast007 | it says in the chat box |
| 00:31.59 | Murielle | oh |
| 00:32.02 | Murielle | ok |
| 00:32.07 | Murielle | hold on |
| 00:33.17 | Murielle | mesa dri intel |
| 00:34.31 | Murielle | GM45 Express chipset GEM 200090712 2009Q2 RC3 X86/MMX/SEE2 |
| 00:37.06 | blast007 | geez, yeah, that one should be doing WAY better than this |
| 00:38.11 | Murielle | brb |
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| 00:45.20 | blast007 | Murielle: what version of Ubuntu are you running? |
| 00:47.48 | Murielle | karmic koala |
| 00:47.54 | Murielle | 9.10 |
| 00:48.03 | blast007 | hmm, ok |
| 00:48.48 | blast007 | the performance you're getting just seems way too slow |
| 00:48.53 | blast007 | any idea what CPU is in there? |
| 00:49.03 | Murielle | blast, if i plug a cable and there would not be jitter anymore, would it mean it not due to graphic card? |
| 00:49.26 | blast007 | hard to say |
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| 00:49.49 | blast007 | your wifi driver could suck too ;) |
| 00:50.03 | Murielle | :( |
| 00:50.10 | Murielle | that iswhat i suspect |
| 00:50.10 | blast007 | welcome to linux |
| 00:50.26 | jeffm | man.. what a day.. time to order a pizza |
| 00:50.42 | Murielle | too late for pizza |
| 00:50.52 | blast007 | Murielle: does that system have a valid Windows product key on the bottom? ;) |
| 00:50.57 | blast007 | cuz like, that's my suggestion |
| 00:51.03 | Murielle | yes blast |
| 00:51.08 | blast007 | could dual boot |
| 00:51.26 | jeffm | the windows drivers tend to be better for that chipset |
| 00:51.38 | Murielle | yes.....i will try.I have to repair the dual boot. I have played with it and now it is broken |
| 00:51.49 | blast007 | on Windows, I'd imagine it could muster up 60 FPS at a *minimum* |
| 00:52.15 | blast007 | jeffm: seems like it's probably an X4500 graphics chipset |
| 00:52.25 | jeffm | so a newer one? |
| 00:52.35 | blast007 | yeah |
| 00:52.40 | blast007 | DX 10, OGL 2.0 |
| 00:52.45 | jeffm | yeah it should be fine with a decent driver then |
| 00:53.04 | blast007 | and that one even mentions 3DMark06 in the wikipedia page |
| 00:53.07 | blast007 | doubt mine could even run that |
| 00:53.13 | jeffm | wow |
| 00:53.16 | blast007 | "Intel designed the GMA X4500 to be 200% faster than the GMA 3100 (G33 chipset) in 3DMark06 performance[21] and 70% faster than the GMA X3500" |
| 00:53.33 | blast007 | shader model 4.0 as well |
| 00:53.35 | jeffm | heh |
| 00:53.39 | blast007 | so shouldn't be too bad for BZ :) |
| 00:55.39 | blast007 | "In a review published in May 2008, the GMA X4500 showed a superior game performance to the lowest-end 1-year-older GeForce 8400M graphics card, while losing to the still low-end GeForce 8400M GS with a slower CPU." |
| 00:56.31 | blast007 | oo, and the X3500 can run Crysis at 4FPS! So that means the X4500 can probably get 8! |
| 00:57.16 | jeffm | heh |
| 00:58.23 | Murielle | oohhmygod! |
| 00:58.27 | Murielle | i get it |
| 00:58.29 | Murielle | solved it |
| 00:58.43 | Murielle | i do what u adviced, blast007 |
| 00:58.54 | blast007 | windows? |
| 00:58.57 | Murielle | i change the resolution to 640 |
| 00:59.10 | Murielle | but of all my desktop |
| 00:59.20 | Murielle | now the fps is aound 50 |
| 00:59.23 | blast007 | nice |
| 00:59.30 | Murielle | and lag decreased to 6 |
| 00:59.48 | blast007 | still nowhere near what that chipset should be able to do though |
| 01:00.00 | jeffm | yeah linux is dragging that thing down |
| 01:00.20 | BulletCatcher | There may be a FPS limit in operation. |
| 01:00.31 | BulletCatcher | I bet her screen runs at 50 Hz. |
| 01:01.04 | jeffm | possible |
| 01:01.13 | jeffm | tho it's usaly 60 |
| 01:01.27 | jeffm | not that it means much with lcds these days |
| 01:01.41 | BulletCatcher | She's euro, where the power is 50 Hz, I think. |
| 01:01.50 | jeffm | ahh |
| 01:01.52 | jeffm | that could be |
| 01:02.00 | jeffm | tho laptops use DC ;) |
| 01:02.11 | BulletCatcher | Yeah. Just thought of that. :-) |
| 01:04.56 | jeffm | wonder how much ram it has allocated to it |
| 01:05.39 | jeffm | if it's not much it could kick into software for larger resolutions |
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| 01:17.38 | Murielle | i didtest |
| 01:17.51 | Murielle | i did test |
| 01:18.24 | Murielle | i have jit problem when my screen is at a higher resolution than 640x400 |
| 01:18.56 | jeffm | how much memory is allocated to the video card? |
| 01:19.06 | Murielle | hum |
| 01:19.13 | Murielle | how can i know this? |
| 01:19.23 | jeffm | usualy it's in the bios |
| 01:19.36 | Murielle | let me reboot |
| 01:21.43 | blast007 | glxinfo probably says too |
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| 01:22.03 | blast007 | some laptops have a really minimal BIOS |
| 01:22.10 | Murielle | 32 Mb |
| 01:22.13 | Murielle | :) |
| 01:22.18 | jeffm | so not much |
| 01:22.19 | blast007 | ouch |
| 01:22.27 | jeffm | how much ram is in the machine, total? |
| 01:22.39 | Murielle | oohhh i have to look at bios ? |
| 01:22.49 | jeffm | probably not |
| 01:22.57 | jeffm | top and other things can tell you |
| 01:23.06 | jeffm | but you probalby want to increase that to 64 or 128 megs |
| 01:23.08 | Murielle | me is smart... me is doing to type : free -m |
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| 01:23.32 | Murielle | 2Go |
| 01:23.53 | jeffm | yeah bump that up and it may help at higher resolutiojns |
| 01:23.53 | blast007 | glxinfo might show how much video memory is available |
| 01:24.08 | blast007 | (32MB might not be accurate) |
| 01:24.31 | blast007 | think I read that the X4500 can use up to 1.7GB |
| 01:24.35 | jeffm | ooooo |
| 01:26.16 | Murielle | u know how can i increase this memory? |
| 01:26.36 | jeffm | usualy in the bios |
| 01:26.47 | jeffm | or sometimes the driver can do it |
| 01:27.07 | blast007 | suggests installing Windows |
| 01:27.09 | blast007 | ;) |
| 01:27.15 | Murielle | glxinfo gives 2000frales in5.0 secs |
| 01:27.22 | Murielle | frames* |
| 01:28.16 | blast007 | my Intel 855 shows 64MB in dxdiag |
| 01:28.17 | jeffm | yeah windows will still have a better driver |
| 01:28.34 | blast007 | but it doesn't eat up a whole 64MB when I'm just at the desktop |
| 01:28.39 | jeffm | yeah they use system ram |
| 01:29.38 | blast007 | ah, yeah, shows "Minimum Graphics Memory" as 8MB in the intel info panel |
| 01:29.49 | blast007 | so it adjusts as it needs more ;) |
| 01:31.33 | jeffm | some drivers do dynamic |
| 01:31.35 | jeffm | some don't |
| 01:32.07 | jeffm | the 855 is agp IIRC |
| 01:32.14 | jeffm | so that can use the AGP grow window |
| 01:32.42 | jeffm | not sure how PCI-E does DMA |
| 01:34.10 | Murielle | ok:) i need to sleep for recomforting me:) |
| 01:34.13 | Murielle | baiii |
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| 01:55.32 | blast007 | hehe, seems the X4500 can sorta run HL2:Ep2 ;) though the sky box looks like a greenish box |
| 01:55.56 | blast007 | and it's quite obvious they have everything at the lowest setings |
| 02:05.43 | jeffm | bet it's not done under wine :) |
| 02:08.10 | blast007 | haha, yeaaahhh, no ;) |
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| 03:12.16 | atrixnet | What plugin let's admins see private chats? |
| 03:12.31 | temporalD | adminlistener |
| 03:12.55 | atrixnet | Wow, ask and ye shall receive! |
| 03:13.02 | temporalD | :) |
| 03:13.14 | atrixnet | Thanks temporal :) |
| 03:13.22 | temporalD | only admins in obs can see private chat |
| 03:13.26 | temporalD | sure - have fun :) |
| 03:13.48 | atrixnet | Got it |
| 03:14.56 | atrixnet | Got a big day tomorrow. Among regular work I have several server patches and a kernel upgrade for this week |
| 03:15.30 | atrixnet | And I'm going to pull in bzfs from svn from the devs |
| 03:15.56 | JeffM2501 | svn trunk or svn v2 branch? |
| 03:16.08 | atrixnet | Which fixes latest sk3 nick impersonation vulnerability |
| 03:16.13 | JeffM2501 | branch |
| 03:16.17 | temporalD | good plan - have you ever built the game before? |
| 03:16.18 | atrixnet | V2 branch |
| 03:16.24 | JeffM2501 | we will be releasing it as 2.0.16 next week |
| 03:16.44 | atrixnet | Should I wait til next week then? |
| 03:17.05 | JeffM2501 | up to you |
| 03:17.13 | JeffM2501 | the fix is a just a small change |
| 03:17.20 | atrixnet | I've built more things than I care to admit, but not bzflag |
| 03:17.23 | JeffM2501 | and if you are set up to build then it should be not an issue |
| 03:18.02 | atrixnet | Oh anything id need above same stuff to buld a kernel and most kmods? |
| 03:18.14 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 03:18.21 | JeffM2501 | server needs curl at least |
| 03:18.22 | atrixnet | Probably some 3D libs |
| 03:18.25 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 03:18.32 | atrixnet | Curl got it |
| 03:18.38 | JeffM2501 | well server will want GL I think, for obstacle |
| 03:18.40 | JeffM2501 | so mesa dev |
| 03:18.47 | JeffM2501 | even tho it dosn't need to use it |
| 03:19.02 | atrixnet | Ok kewl |
| 03:19.18 | JeffM2501 | there is a readme that explains what you need |
| 03:19.32 | atrixnet | Does it have an autoconf ./configure script ? |
| 03:19.37 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 03:19.45 | JeffM2501 | it'll need libtool as well |
| 03:19.47 | JeffM2501 | read the readme |
| 03:19.51 | JeffM2501 | it's pretty straightforward |
| 03:19.58 | atrixnet | Fo sure |
| 03:20.51 | atrixnet | What benefits if any would I get from waiting for next release over svn build? |
| 03:21.05 | temporalD | less heart ache |
| 03:21.11 | JeffM2501 | depends on how you got your bzflag in the first place |
| 03:21.15 | JeffM2501 | was it part of a package manager? |
| 03:21.32 | atrixnet | Yup. Ain't too proud to apt |
| 03:21.54 | JeffM2501 | debian and ubuntu still have older pacakges IIRC |
| 03:22.00 | JeffM2501 | so it'll be the same next week |
| 03:22.08 | atrixnet | Easier to keep secure across the board that way (pkg mgmt) |
| 03:22.29 | JeffM2501 | heh, if you are woried about security, I'd not run bzflag ;) |
| 03:22.41 | atrixnet | Probably are old pkgs because of review policy |
| 03:22.53 | JeffM2501 | no, because we have not submited new ones yet |
| 03:23.19 | atrixnet | Bzflag runs in a jail in a vm. I'm not overly concerned |
| 03:23.53 | JeffM2501 | if you are on debian stable it's probably going to be a long while before that package gets updated |
| 03:24.09 | JeffM2501 | we can probably make 10.4 for ubuntu |
| 03:24.26 | atrixnet | --which is edzackery why I'm gonna build tomorrow |
| 03:25.50 | atrixnet | Thanks all! |
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| 03:26.19 | JeffM2501 | yeah even ubuntu 10.4 is on .13 |
| 03:26.59 | JeffM2501 | in all it's purple glory |
| 03:52.34 | blast007 | JeffM2501: and I don't think any mesa package is required. don't have anything installed for that on my server. |
| 03:53.23 | JeffM2501 | k |
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| 04:22.14 | BulletCatcher | For just the server, you only need (n)curses, curl, and c-ares development packages. |
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| 04:34.18 | JeffM2501 | I thought at one point obstacle still included GL |
| 04:34.22 | JeffM2501 | but perhaps npt |
| 04:34.24 | JeffM2501 | not |
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| 06:41.38 | CIA-80 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r20960 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ChangeLog: |
| 06:41.39 | CIA-80 | BZFlag: Add entry for blast007's tank labels fix. |
| 06:41.39 | CIA-80 | BZFlag: Fix some old spelling errors. |
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| 13:52.01 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: that label thing was just a backport from trunk. wasn't like it was me that fixed it. ;) |
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| 14:22.30 | BulletCatcher | Feel free to adjust the ChangeLog as needed, blast007. |
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| 15:24.41 | CIA-80 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r20961 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ChangeLog: Not worth mentioning |
| 15:24.55 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: it's not really something that a normal user would even notice, since it's only possible under a specific situation |
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| 16:36.44 | brlcad | not worth mentioning? |
| 16:36.55 | blast007 | nope |
| 16:36.56 | brlcad | all user-visible changes should be listed |
| 16:37.03 | brlcad | is it user-visible? :) |
| 16:37.03 | blast007 | it's not really user-visible |
| 16:37.42 | brlcad | tank labels no longer visible to players |
| 16:37.54 | blast007 | only if they turn their UI off |
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| 16:44.35 | brlcad | we've not been good at keeping changelog documented |
| 16:44.48 | brlcad | there are dozens and dozens of user-visible changes not recorded |
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| 16:53.39 | blast007 | hmm, having a hard time finding this answer in google... I'm doing something like this (word is a std::string) --> word.at(j) is there an easy way to check if that is a specific letter or symbol? |
| 16:55.32 | JeffM2501 | == |
| 16:55.40 | blast007 | hmm |
| 16:55.53 | JeffM2501 | if thingy[5] == 'X' |
| 16:55.55 | blast007 | well, I was doing == 'B', and it wasn't matching it |
| 16:56.07 | blast007 | oh, so use [] instead of at()? |
| 16:56.14 | JeffM2501 | I've never used at |
| 16:56.27 | JeffM2501 | string is a vector type container so yeah [] works |
| 16:56.30 | blast007 | at returns a char& |
| 16:56.33 | blast007 | k |
| 16:56.55 | JeffM2501 | [] should returna const char |
| 16:57.01 | JeffM2501 | and that's fine for a test |
| 16:57.05 | blast007 | ok |
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| 16:57.14 | blast007 | (so long as I check bounds) |
| 16:57.20 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 16:57.45 | blast007 | already had to for at because it throws an exception for out of bounds |
| 16:57.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 16:58.01 | JeffM2501 | all of those will |
| 16:58.31 | JeffM2501 | or put it in a try catch block, catch the exception and do your error case there |
| 17:01.47 | blast007 | hmm, and actually my old code might have been working... wasn't doing j+1 when I was checking the next character.. |
| 17:02.06 | JeffM2501 | what are you trying to do? |
| 17:02.46 | blast007 | porting a english-to-aoler javascript to a bzfs plugin |
| 17:02.53 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:03.10 | blast007 | so in this instance, replacing "BE" with "B" ;) |
| 17:06.02 | blast007 | yay, working. thanks :) |
| 17:10.05 | SportChick | pokes brlcad |
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| 17:12.10 | BulletCatcher | if (word.find("BE") != npos ) word.replace(word.find("BE"),2,"B"); |
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| 17:15.20 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: I'm doing a for loop through each character though |
| 17:15.31 | blast007 | lots of weird scenarios |
| 17:15.46 | blast007 | like "replace ck with k, unless it is followed by an s" |
| 17:16.31 | JeffM2501 | regex |
| 17:16.49 | BulletCatcher | That sounds like a job for regular expressions, but that will change the complexity quite a bit. |
| 17:17.00 | blast007 | meh, that would be a pain |
| 17:17.27 | JeffM2501 | add a java vm to the plugin and just run the origonal script :) |
| 17:17.27 | blast007 | cuz some of the stuff is randomly picked too |
| 17:17.36 | blast007 | javascript |
| 17:17.48 | JeffM2501 | shouldn't that be simpler to imbed? |
| 17:17.56 | blast007 | meh |
| 17:18.18 | blast007 | would be for someone that knows how to actually write C/C++ ;) |
| 17:18.44 | JeffM2501 | or a good way to learn |
| 17:18.58 | blast007 | not by April 1st |
| 17:19.13 | JeffM2501 | probably not |
| 17:20.13 | BulletCatcher | I would be content to just say we had added such a plugin, without actually doing it. :-) |
| 17:23.46 | BulletCatcher | On the subject of plugins, is there any chance I could convince you to contribute your TimeLimit plugin to the BZFlag source tree, catay? |
| 17:23.48 | BulletCatcher | It is very useful for league servers, and it would be much for convenient to have it bundled with the regular distribution. |
| 17:23.58 | BulletCatcher | s/for/more/ |
| 17:24.17 | BulletCatcher | (second instance) |
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| 17:44.01 | BulletCatcher | L4m3r: Is there any chance I could convince you to contribute your fairCTF plugin to the BZFlag source tree? Having it bundled with the regular distribution would be more convenient for those of us who use it. |
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| 19:05.01 | catay | BulletCatcher: go for it |
| 19:05.18 | JefferyM | catay, you need to submit it as a patch |
| 19:05.32 | JefferyM | if it isn't allready |
| 19:05.43 | catay | it's not as far as I know |
| 19:05.52 | catay | I'll do it later this evening |
| 19:06.00 | JefferyM | that gives us a paper trail of you submiting it, and us not stealing it :) |
| 19:06.21 | JefferyM | you are ok with turning copyright over to tim? |
| 19:06.22 | catay | it might need some testing on non-linux platforms |
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| 19:06.44 | catay | yeah, it's ok for me. It's just a plugin |
| 19:06.50 | JefferyM | k |
| 19:06.56 | JefferyM | some people just arn't ok with that part :) |
| 19:08.13 | catay | I can understand that |
| 19:08.36 | catay | but i'll never gonna get money for it anyway .. so don't really care :) |
| 19:10.14 | JefferyM | k |
| 19:10.41 | JefferyM | some people do it on priniciple :) |
| 19:11.10 | JefferyM | since once you turn it over, techicnaly tim could relicnese your work and sell it if he wanted to |
| 19:14.31 | catay | true |
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| 19:17.38 | cmarrin_ | Can someone tell me how to get rid of a ban? For instance I'm newly banned on Desert War with a message that says Skeletr0n or something like that. |
| 19:18.00 | JefferyM | send the person that banned you a PM on bzbb and explain the problem to you |
| 19:18.08 | JefferyM | they can then whitelist you if they want |
| 19:18.37 | cmarrin_ | Unfortunately it's not clear who to contact. It simply gives a link to a forum and there's not much there.. |
| 19:19.03 | JefferyM | the ban says the name of the user that entered the ban |
| 19:19.31 | JefferyM | tho that forum is probably the forum for the server, so posting there would not be a bad idea |
| 19:19.34 | temporalD | the owner there is "Purple Panzer" - he can probably help as well |
| 19:19.43 | JefferyM | bassicaly each server does there own thing for bans |
| 19:20.08 | cmarrin_ | Ok, I see now it says "Bambino" |
| 19:20.20 | JefferyM | yeah send a PM to that name on bzbb |
| 19:20.21 | cmarrin_ | These bans are getting REALLY annoying |
| 19:20.42 | temporalD | that cheater/troll has been around for a while - you will have to get used to this |
| 19:20.50 | temporalD | becuase the hostbans are necessary |
| 19:21.31 | cmarrin_ | yeah, I know there is no practical way around it. But I've been playing BZFlag for 15 years and it's only in the last year that bans have gotten to be a problem |
| 19:21.41 | JefferyM | yup |
| 19:22.17 | temporalD | the bad guy changes callsigns and IP addresses every time he trolls - this is the only way to keep him off |
| 19:22.19 | JefferyM | all it takes is a sad and persitent jerk |
| 19:22.51 | temporalD | cmarrin_: you being whitelisted is the best answer to the problem |
| 19:23.10 | temporalD | I think Optic Delusion could also add you to the P.Panzer whitelist |
| 19:23.22 | temporalD | he helps maintain Panzer's servers |
| 19:23.27 | JefferyM | well the best answer to the problenm that will get done this year ;) |
| 19:42.20 | BulletCatcher | catay: Since you have svn commit access there is no need to submit it as a patch. |
| 19:43.59 | catay | ok. I'll commit then, that's probably easier |
| 19:44.12 | BulletCatcher | If you'll just commit your files into a new plugins/TimeLimit directory, and add the standard copyright statement to TimeLimit.cpp, then I'll modify Makefile.am and other things to integrate it. |
| 19:44.23 | catay | but it might needs some adjustements |
| 19:44.33 | catay | ok, will do that in a few hours |
| 19:44.39 | BulletCatcher | Great. Thanks a lot. |
| 19:44.47 | catay | only to branch ? |
| 19:45.04 | BulletCatcher | Your code only works in branch right now. |
| 19:45.12 | catay | true |
| 19:45.26 | BulletCatcher | But someone else can add it to trunk after the copyright is assigned. |
| 19:45.29 | catay | well, dunno, never tried it with 3.0 , but chances are high it won't work |
| 19:46.03 | catay | ok |
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| 21:03.12 | brlcad | /..///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////../..//././//.../.././../.../................................................................................................////////////////////////........................................................................................................////////////////////................................................................................................./////////////. |
| 21:04.21 | JeffM_ | ummm thanks brlcad |
| 21:04.28 | JeffM_ | should we maybe go to slashdot? |
| 21:04.52 | JeffM_ | or did you get a cat? |
| 21:05.24 | BulletCatcher | It's a new form of binary encoding. |
| 21:05.55 | AAA_awright | He's trying to rid a keyboard of a spider. The spider must be trying to send us all a message, I think... |
| 21:06.06 | JeffM_ | heh |
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| 21:06.24 | brlcad | opps :) |
| 21:06.33 | JeffM | you get haxored? |
| 21:06.52 | JeffM | hopes not. he wants a quiet weekend after the joy that was friday |
| 21:07.34 | brlcad | nopes. something fell on the keys |
| 21:07.39 | JeffM | heh |
| 21:08.10 | BulletCatcher | Oooh. Physical intrusions are the worst. |
| 21:08.35 | JeffM | haxord by the box of crap on the shelf over the monitor |
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| 21:12.31 | JeffM | wow, I can use vnc to my linux machine via my phone |
| 21:12.32 | JeffM | that's odd |
| 21:35.22 | Wreckage | nice. what phone? |
| 21:35.39 | JeffM | iPhone |
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| 21:38.58 | Wreckage | in that case, what app? |
| 21:39.11 | JeffM | some vnc thing from the app store |
| 21:39.51 | Wreckage | searching "some vnc thing" |
| 21:40.00 | JeffM | or just vnc |
| 21:40.18 | Wreckage | free? |
| 21:40.24 | JeffM | there are only 2 things that I know of in the world named vnc, and one of them is for remote desktop |
| 21:40.26 | JeffM | yeah |
| 21:40.41 | Wreckage | heh |
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| 21:42.39 | Wreckage | trying it. (sry about ^, cleaning keyboard off) |
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