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| 17:07.45 | joevano | JefferyM: did we come up with a name for the release? |
| 17:07.52 | JefferyM | nope |
| 17:07.56 | JefferyM | got any ideas? |
| 17:08.04 | joevano | "Not so 'Sweet 16'" |
| 17:08.23 | joevano | or 16 Candles |
| 17:08.36 | JefferyM | maybe |
| 17:08.38 | joevano | are what pop to mind |
| 17:12.39 | joevano | probably because my daughter told me "I'm not 16 anymore" this morning |
| 17:12.54 | joevano | she was yesterday though... |
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| 17:15.59 | BulletCatcher | At that age, she knows everything. Ask her what we should name the release. :-) |
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| 17:30.40 | Thumper_ | heh |
| 17:31.59 | Thumper_ | "Who are you? No really..." (for the MsgEnter fix) |
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| 17:48.34 | linuxguy101 | hi |
| 17:54.01 | Constitution | is it legal in c++ to declare a pointer to the same object type within the class definition? for instance, having a Foo* member of class Foo? |
| 17:54.44 | JefferyM | Constitution, yeah |
| 17:54.51 | JefferyM | since it knows what a pointer is |
| 17:54.59 | Constitution | handy |
| 17:55.20 | JefferyM | you can also do references and statics |
| 17:55.37 | Constitution | ah |
| 17:55.43 | JefferyM | as long as it's after the name has been defined,you can use it |
| 17:56.06 | JefferyM | I've made methods in class definitions that use the same class that is in the process of being defined |
| 17:56.32 | Constitution | yeah, that's what I was wondering about |
| 17:56.37 | Constitution | since the definition isn't yet complete |
| 17:56.48 | JefferyM | it's fine, the compiler will figure it out |
| 17:56.57 | JefferyM | as long as it knows what the name is, it'll be cool |
| 17:57.07 | Constitution | cool thx |
| 17:57.22 | Constitution | *thanks (forgot where I was for a second) |
| 17:57.46 | JefferyM | now I'd not make a meber of the class be an object of the class type, since that would be recursive and use infinate memory :) |
| 17:57.49 | cygal | as long has the compiler does not need to know the length of the object, it's ok, which is why pointers work |
| 17:58.00 | Constitution | hmm true :) |
| 18:44.27 | linuxguy101 | ok, i have noticed a bug in bzflag |
| 18:45.29 | linuxguy101 | every tank has a gun, why is it that when you have the wings flag, when you land on a surface with just the gun barrell it drops through that surface |
| 18:45.57 | linuxguy101 | just a small visual bug |
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| 19:10.51 | BulletCatcher | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Tank explains, "The tank bounding box (used in collisions with world objects) is 6 world units long, 2.8 units wide, and 2.05 units tall, and does not include the barrel forward of the tip of the treads." |
| 19:12.09 | joevano | hehe... i've played everyday for almost 6 years and never noticed that |
| 19:12.22 | BulletCatcher | Don't expect the gun barrel to support the whole weight of the tank. :-) |
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| 19:15.37 | BulletCatcher | I have scored kills against tanks where only the tip of the gun barrel was visible around an obstacle, so the hitbox must be some other size. |
| 19:16.37 | cygal | the hitbox changed to a sphere last summer, didn't it? |
| 19:16.46 | BulletCatcher | Only in trunk. |
| 19:17.02 | cygal | indeed. |
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| 19:31.58 | JefferyM | cygal, actualy it went from a sphere to a box |
| 19:32.10 | JefferyM | but that's for shots not worlds |
| 19:32.18 | JefferyM | world geo I mean |
| 19:47.01 | SportChick | brlcad: you about? |
| 19:51.31 | JefferyM | he's a man not a boat ;) |
| 19:51.59 | brlcad | SportChick: yup |
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| 22:36.48 | BulletCatcher | "Enter at your own risk" could work as a release name. |
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| 22:37.32 | JefferyM | well we want people to download it :) |
| 22:37.41 | BulletCatcher | lol |
| 22:40.11 | blast007 | "Now with 60% less spoofing" |
| 22:40.44 | blast007 | "identity crisis averted" |
| 22:40.51 | Wreckage | "Click here" |
| 22:40.56 | JefferyM | "we know who you are" |
| 22:46.47 | BulletCatcher | We could use the one new feature (shot length) for inspiration, but it would need to be better than "Fuzzy Bullets." |
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| 22:48.50 | JefferyM | heh |
| 22:49.03 | JefferyM | proably should not even give it a namwe |
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| 22:49.33 | Cobra_Slow | mrapplecomputer1 ??? |
| 22:49.49 | mrapplecomputer1 | sry |
| 22:49.52 | JefferyM | no.. that's a silly name for a release |
| 22:49.57 | BulletCatcher | I agree. |
| 22:49.58 | Cobra_Slow | ingame mrapplecomputer1 |
| 22:50.02 | mrapplecomputer1 | i know |
| 22:50.32 | mrapplecomputer1 | lol jeffm |
| 23:02.28 | Wreckage | "Karmic Koala" |
| 23:02.51 | Wreckage | oh wait, that is (sadly) already taken |
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| 23:24.20 | CIA-80 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r20959 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDRenderer.cxx: labels only when roaming |
| 23:25.04 | trepan_ | heh, looks like i forgot to commit the "observer mouse control" patch to v2_0branch |
| 23:26.04 | trepan_ | fairly sure that I typed "svn ci" at for it a few days ago, maybe it timed out... |
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| 23:29.57 | BulletCatcher | blast007, why that change for labels? |
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| 23:31.22 | JefferyM | it's the intended behavor, and the risk is minimal |
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| 23:38.27 | BulletCatcher | What is it about non-roaming observer modes that makes it inapproriaate to display tank labels? |
| 23:39.04 | JefferyM | oh it's just roaming observer, I thought it was for all observers |
| 23:39.17 | JefferyM | to your quenstion then I say "YEAH!" |
| 23:41.18 | JefferyM | it shoudl be on for all modes |
| 23:41.25 | JefferyM | just as long as they are an observer |
| 23:41.30 | JefferyM | it should be off for all playing modes |
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| 23:42.15 | temporalD | L turns on/off labels in observer mode now |
| 23:42.44 | blast007 | 'roaming' I think implies any observer mode |
| 23:42.55 | blast007 | at least the way it is used there |
| 23:43.03 | temporalD | well roaming is not "driving with" or "following" |
| 23:43.05 | BulletCatcher | Yeah. I am starting to understand that after looking at the code. |
| 23:43.17 | blast007 | temporalD: that's not the way the code defines it |
| 23:43.24 | Murielle | hi! would it be good if i could increase my lag (i have a bit) for decreasing my jitter?(i have a bit too). I am in a configuration in which I ahve 40lag and 10jit ? |
| 23:43.28 | temporalD | ok - i'll hush :) |
| 23:44.04 | blast007 | Murielle: you'd have explain that one |
| 23:44.21 | Murielle | jitter is lag variation, right? |
| 23:44.35 | blast007 | right |
| 23:44.37 | JefferyM | how can you affect your jitter? |
| 23:44.52 | Cobra_Slow | by beating, punching and kicking it |
| 23:45.09 | Murielle | so, i was wondering...I could increase my lag articically for decreasing jitter? |
| 23:45.09 | JefferyM | are ou asking if 50 lag 0 jitter is better then 40 lag 10 jitter? |
| 23:45.18 | temporalD | the ratio of lag/jitter is the real problem, right? |
| 23:45.23 | Murielle | yes jeffm, u got it |
| 23:45.33 | JefferyM | Murielle, the techincal answer is yes |
| 23:45.33 | temporalD | so if her lag were 100 and her jitter still 10 - would that be better |
| 23:45.46 | JefferyM | temporalD, not really, jitter is just jitter |
| 23:45.50 | JefferyM | it's the problrm |
| 23:45.50 | temporalD | ok |
| 23:46.01 | JefferyM | the more constant the lag is the easier it is to comp for ( visualy) |
| 23:46.17 | JefferyM | I just don't know how you'd make that jitter to lag swap |
| 23:46.54 | Murielle | how lagstat work? in a ping stuff? |
| 23:47.01 | Murielle | i mean |
| 23:47.09 | JefferyM | yes ping packets are used |
| 23:47.22 | JefferyM | not ICMP pings but in game ping packets |
| 23:47.38 | Murielle | my idea is: i get my lag and my jitter, then I stop the client for responding until the new lag is reached |
| 23:48.01 | JefferyM | I doubt that will solve any real problem, but sure you could do that |
| 23:48.09 | JefferyM | it'll probalby just make you unplayable |
| 23:48.19 | JefferyM | but whatever floats your boat, its' your system |
| 23:48.38 | Murielle | yes but i have a few lag and 10jit |
| 23:48.58 | blast007 | or just figure out why you have 10ms jitter and fix that ;) |
| 23:48.59 | Murielle | and some crunchy people complain |
| 23:49.03 | JefferyM | the jitter is probably happeing downstream from your comptuer |
| 23:49.09 | JefferyM | you will just shift the jitter down later |
| 23:49.18 | JefferyM | are you on wireless? |
| 23:49.28 | Murielle | my jit is due to my wifi but i wont never have a cable |
| 23:49.31 | blast007 | jitter can even be caused by running other things on the system, like a web browser |
| 23:49.54 | Murielle | yes...i should disable my webserver too :) |
| 23:49.56 | JefferyM | then your computer thinks it's sending out on time, your network is adding the jitter, your computer can't predict that jitter |
| 23:50.05 | JefferyM | so it won't help you |
| 23:50.10 | Murielle | but for my webserver, problem is fbi needs it (joking) |
| 23:50.38 | Murielle | i dont get it, jeff |
| 23:50.44 | JefferyM | I know |
| 23:50.48 | Murielle | :) |
| 23:50.55 | Murielle | speak earthian :) |
| 23:51.03 | JefferyM | al you can do is try to code up your idea and see if it works |
| 23:51.27 | blast007 | is even sure what "stop the client for responding" was referring to |
| 23:51.40 | JefferyM | have it not do the network send |
| 23:51.52 | JefferyM | a harder task then it sounds |
| 23:52.03 | blast007 | doesn't sound like that would solve anything |
| 23:52.04 | Murielle | ok but before WORKING on this, i really want to know if it is in the spirit of the game..i dont want do a cheat or something unintentionally? i dont want this to give me advantage |
| 23:52.08 | JefferyM | it won't |
| 23:52.27 | JefferyM | Murielle, of course it's not in the spirit |
| 23:52.35 | Murielle | bah :( |
| 23:52.39 | blast007 | Murielle: your wifi is the problem, so fix that ;) |
| 23:52.46 | JefferyM | you are moding the game so you can have the lagstats lie about your actual connection |
| 23:52.50 | Murielle | if only i could, blast007 |
| 23:52.54 | blast007 | why can't you? |
| 23:52.55 | JefferyM | it also will probably not work |
| 23:53.09 | JefferyM | but you are of course free to mod the code as you wish |
| 23:53.16 | JefferyM | we can not tell you what you can and can not do |
| 23:53.26 | blast007 | have you tried turning off any power saving settings in your wifi driver? |
| 23:53.34 | JefferyM | or changing channels? |
| 23:53.36 | blast007 | sometimes agressive power management could add jitter |
| 23:53.39 | blast007 | that too |
| 23:53.41 | Murielle | cause two people in my home (let call them Parents) doesnt want the box to be in my room and they refuse me a cable |
| 23:54.02 | blast007 | right, not talking about that |
| 23:54.07 | blast007 | talking about making the wifi work better |
| 23:54.27 | blast007 | is it a laptop? |
| 23:54.29 | Murielle | i have jitter since i have changed laptop |
| 23:54.29 | JefferyM | some people play fine on wireless |
| 23:54.38 | Murielle | with my old laptop, no jitter |
| 23:54.48 | JefferyM | see, all you have to do is find out why then |
| 23:55.02 | Murielle | isnt it due to wifi card? |
| 23:55.03 | JefferyM | you could also have FPS induced jitter |
| 23:55.07 | JefferyM | not always |
| 23:55.11 | blast007 | things to try: updating the driver, turning off power management features in the wifi driver, and changing the wifi channel |
| 23:55.16 | JefferyM | lots of things can cause jitter |
| 23:55.21 | Murielle | fps induced jit? what is that? |
| 23:55.25 | blast007 | could even be the CPU power management |
| 23:55.29 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 23:55.43 | JefferyM | the game only sends out packets when it's done drawing a frame |
| 23:55.44 | blast007 | Murielle: the network code can only process when the game isn't drawing |
| 23:55.53 | JefferyM | if your fps is very low it can add lag to the cycle |
| 23:56.03 | blast007 | lower FPS == less time spent on network stuff |
| 23:56.12 | JefferyM | well more time inbetween updates |
| 23:56.22 | blast007 | yeah :) |
| 23:56.29 | Murielle | but.arent u talking about lag? |
| 23:56.30 | JefferyM | packets will sit and wait for the game to finish drawing |
| 23:56.35 | JefferyM | lag is just time |
| 23:56.51 | Murielle | why my lag isnt constant? |
| 23:56.54 | blast007 | your FPS won't be constant |
| 23:57.09 | JefferyM | if the ping gets to you in 20 ms but waits for 50ms for the frame, it's lag will read as 50 |
| 23:57.09 | Murielle | oh |
| 23:57.10 | blast007 | so that will affect how many times per second the network code runs |
| 23:57.12 | Murielle | i get it |
| 23:57.34 | JefferyM | yeah so if your fps is low and not constant it can add jitter to the pings |
| 23:57.47 | JefferyM | since you have jitter, that is saying your lag is NOT constant |
| 23:57.48 | Murielle | i see |
| 23:57.48 | blast007 | also if your CPU is clocking down for any reason (power management or heat), that could also add jitter |
| 23:57.53 | JefferyM | that's what jitter is, change in lag |
| 23:58.05 | Murielle | so...i could try to make constant the fps? |
| 23:58.16 | blast007 | or just get it to run as fast as possible |
| 23:58.20 | JefferyM | there are lots of things for you to try |
| 23:58.29 | JefferyM | if it's running over 60fps you should be fine |
| 23:58.32 | blast007 | (well, within reason) |
| 23:58.48 | blast007 | too high can cause other issues |
| 23:58.59 | blast007 | like floating point problems from a very small dt |
| 23:59.05 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 23:59.13 | BulletCatcher | Would it help to lower the frame rate with BZFlag's power saver feature? |
| 23:59.14 | JefferyM | 60 to 100 is usualy fine for most things |
| 23:59.15 | blast007 | so somewhere between 60 and 150 is probably best |
| 23:59.28 | JefferyM | BulletCatcher, if she's too high yeah |
| 23:59.30 | Murielle | it is mysecond idea BulletCatcher |
| 23:59.47 | Murielle | but i think i have low fps |
| 23:59.49 | BulletCatcher | That is really easy to do, so try it! |
| 23:59.54 | Murielle | how can i check it? |
| 23:59.58 | JefferyM | hit T |
| 23:59.59 | JefferyM | in game |