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| 02:08.00 | JeffM2501 | heh. I got some spam today that told me I should learn how to program video games.... maybe I should take them up on the offer |
| 02:17.06 | Wreckage | JeffM: what kind of spam is that? government sponsored? |
| 02:17.21 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 02:17.46 | Wreckage | i want more spam like that |
| 02:17.50 | Wreckage | not that i want spam... |
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| 02:29.44 | JeffM2501 | there are lots of courses out there for that kinda stuff |
| 02:44.14 | Wreckage | heh what I need is someone with a lot of time... or some sort of interactive trainer |
| 02:44.34 | JeffM2501 | you learned the language you want to use? |
| 02:45.07 | Wreckage | nope :) |
| 02:45.26 | JeffM2501 | do that first |
| 02:45.37 | JeffM2501 | there are tutorials for most of them |
| 02:45.42 | Wreckage | thats what I was referring to |
| 02:45.59 | Wreckage | off topic: back to pming :) |
| 02:46.13 | JeffM2501 | isn't really off topic |
| 02:46.15 | JeffM2501 | not when it's slow |
| 02:46.20 | Wreckage | hehe |
| 02:46.29 | JeffM2501 | what langauge do you want to learn? |
| 02:47.16 | JeffM2501 | there are many good C++ tutorials |
| 02:47.34 | Wreckage | how did you learn? |
| 02:47.41 | JeffM2501 | I learned C at work |
| 02:47.45 | JeffM2501 | and C++ |
| 02:47.47 | JeffM2501 | and C# |
| 02:47.54 | JeffM2501 | read a book for php |
| 02:48.01 | Wreckage | oh! |
| 02:48.10 | Wreckage | what did you start with? |
| 02:48.12 | Wreckage | basic? |
| 02:48.16 | a_meteorite | I learned by starting at higher language (Javascript, PHP, etc), finally moving to looking at C code and tutorials |
| 02:48.16 | JeffM2501 | yerah |
| 02:48.19 | JeffM2501 | when I was 7 |
| 02:48.28 | a_meteorite | I learn by example |
| 02:48.32 | JeffM2501 | once you know how to program, language is the easy part |
| 02:48.42 | Wreckage | hmm |
| 02:48.44 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 02:48.54 | JeffM2501 | only used 3 langauges today |
| 02:49.03 | JeffM2501 | oh sorry, 4, I forgot about Compost |
| 02:49.09 | Wreckage | i program my calculator TI-BASIC...read a book about C++ |
| 02:49.14 | a_meteorite | except for paradigm shifts, when you learn one, you learn most |
| 02:49.29 | Wreckage | it was supposed to be for beginners but I got lost very quickly |
| 02:49.46 | JeffM2501 | cplusplus.com has nice stuff |
| 02:49.51 | Wreckage | I guess I needed more examples and needed to tinker with concepts myself |
| 02:49.53 | JeffM2501 | what did you get lost on? |
| 02:50.09 | JeffM2501 | do you know how a computer works, like on the inside |
| 02:50.16 | JeffM2501 | that's what helps make it sink in |
| 02:50.18 | Wreckage | not sure: dont have book anymore |
| 02:50.22 | a_meteorite | I started with Javascript then PHP, worked for me. Tried to get started on Java first, got completely lost |
| 02:50.28 | JeffM2501 | knowing that all a computer can do is add and subtract numbers :) |
| 02:50.37 | Wreckage | on or off :) |
| 02:50.49 | JeffM2501 | on or of is just storage |
| 02:50.53 | JeffM2501 | it's the operators that matter |
| 02:50.59 | Wreckage | operators? |
| 02:51.00 | JeffM2501 | it's all math |
| 02:51.06 | JeffM2501 | what you do to the storage |
| 02:51.14 | JeffM2501 | add subtract and test :) |
| 02:51.34 | Wreckage | heh how much spare time do you have JeffM? :D |
| 02:51.38 | JeffM2501 | at some point it gets broken down to those things |
| 02:51.47 | JeffM2501 | do the tutorials online first |
| 02:51.52 | JeffM2501 | don't skip any |
| 02:51.54 | JeffM2501 | just do them |
| 02:52.08 | JeffM2501 | most people fail because they want to skip ahead |
| 02:52.24 | Wreckage | okay. do they let you try stuff or just a bunch of reading? |
| 02:52.42 | JeffM2501 | look and see :) |
| 02:53.20 | a_meteorite | Wreckage: do you know any higher level languages? |
| 02:53.23 | JeffM2501 | programing is all about reading :) |
| 02:53.34 | JeffM2501 | python may be a good place to start |
| 02:54.00 | a_meteorite | I've seen some advocate starting low level, but not for a long time, usually start higher and go lower |
| 02:54.04 | JeffM2501 | tho I find it best to start low and go high |
| 02:54.06 | a_meteorite | worked for me and others |
| 02:54.08 | JeffM2501 | then you don't get lazy |
| 02:54.32 | a_meteorite | guess so, you just gotta remember the lower you go it does get more verbose and less expressive |
| 02:54.43 | JeffM2501 | but the more exact |
| 02:54.51 | a_meteorite | indeed |
| 02:54.56 | JeffM2501 | and it depends on how you write it |
| 02:54.57 | a_meteorite | but it is important to not skip any parts of whatever you are learning. |
| 02:55.05 | Wreckage | a_meteorite: I am younger than you think. Well... maybe |
| 02:55.07 | a_meteorite | especially programming |
| 02:55.08 | JeffM2501 | you can write crap code in any language |
| 02:55.17 | JeffM2501 | Wreckage, 14? |
| 02:55.31 | a_meteorite | Wreckage: I started at 12... it's never too early |
| 02:55.48 | a_meteorite | earlier is better really |
| 02:56.03 | Wreckage | heh thats encouraging |
| 02:56.22 | a_meteorite | you will make mistakes, you will get frustrated, but it's like learning any other subject |
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| 02:59.34 | Wreckage | heh I will get to reading that pdf |
| 02:59.56 | JeffM2501 | the hard part I think some people have is learning the tools |
| 03:00.16 | JeffM2501 | your compiler, editor, and debuger |
| 03:00.32 | a_meteorite | the tools don't exactly work for you in the beginning :) |
| 03:00.49 | JeffM2501 | sure they do, they are jsut doing work that you don't understand |
| 03:00.59 | JeffM2501 | the tools don't change over time, you do |
| 03:01.01 | a_meteorite | rather yeah |
| 03:01.13 | JeffM2501 | some tutorials also assume specific tools |
| 03:01.21 | JeffM2501 | and that can be hard if you arn't using those ones |
| 03:02.03 | a_meteorite | or don't explain what's happening when you type in that command, or ignore it completely, just assume you know it or that it's some sort of black magic |
| 03:02.26 | JeffM2501 | just press f5 and shuddap ;) |
| 03:02.38 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 03:03.11 | JeffM2501 | hmmmm how should I handle game logic extensions.... deligates or classes... |
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| 14:35.13 | CIA-80 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r20950 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: Allow only one MsgEnter per player instance. |
| 14:37.40 | CIA-80 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r20951 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsClientMessages.cxx: Allow only one MsgEnter per player instance. |
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| 16:01.38 | ts | BulletCatcher: Thanks! |
| 16:03.23 | brad | ~BulletCatcher++ |
| 16:16.58 | BulletCatcher | ts: I couldn't have done it without your description of the the problem (especially the bzfs log). |
| 16:17.05 | BulletCatcher | ~ts++ |
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| 16:25.56 | ts | BulletCatcher: Phew..I had the impression someone(tm) was going to screw me because of my description |
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| 16:38.37 | Manu | did what ts said for his description |
| 16:39.04 | ts | :( |
| 16:39.20 | Manu | :) |
| 16:39.45 | Manu | BTW, long time no see, ts |
| 16:42.32 | ts | I was away some time and then I was only playing..I don't hang out much on IRC anymore...only one time per month checking messages etc |
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| 17:03.55 | blast007 | ~BulletCatcher++ |
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| 17:48.54 | CIA-80 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r20953 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/misc/2.0.14.1/protocol.patch: |
| 17:48.54 | CIA-80 | BZFlag: Add a comment that shows the URL of the origin of this patch. |
| 17:48.54 | CIA-80 | BZFlag: Include MsgEnter change from r20950. |
| 17:49.31 | JeffM2501 | so what was the msg enter problem? |
| 17:49.51 | BulletCatcher | bzfs would accept more than one per player instance. |
| 17:50.10 | JeffM2501 | so it's a server issue not a client one? |
| 17:50.16 | BulletCatcher | Yes. |
| 17:50.21 | BulletCatcher | At least the fix is. |
| 17:50.29 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.16 here we come |
| 17:51.01 | BulletCatcher | Well, we could just decide that 2.0.14.2 includes only server fixes. |
| 17:51.13 | BulletCatcher | Either way. |
| 17:51.33 | BulletCatcher | Your choice. |
| 17:52.00 | JeffM2501 | may as well do 16 |
| 17:52.09 | JeffM2501 | it just needs a name |
| 17:53.40 | BulletCatcher | Okay. But I recommend waiting until at least some testing has been done on live servers. |
| 17:54.18 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 17:54.21 | BulletCatcher | I'll stop working on 2.0.14.1. |
| 17:54.49 | BulletCatcher | It's extra work to get just the right patches set up. |
| 17:54.53 | JeffM2501 | we've never done a quad didigit before, and if we want to push this fix to all servers, 16 makes more sense to me |
| 17:57.48 | joevano | ~BulletCatcher++ |
| 18:00.26 | CIA-80 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r20954 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/misc/2.0.14.1/: Abandon work on 2.0.14.1, as we will be going straight to 2.0.16. |
| 18:02.15 | JeffM2501 | all of the names I can think of for .16 will be very iniapropriate :) |
| 18:02.25 | BulletCatcher | lol |
| 18:03.07 | BulletCatcher | "Oops, I released it again." |
| 18:03.21 | JeffM2501 | we did that one |
| 18:03.38 | JeffM2501 | there was also "opps happy mothers day" |
| 18:03.48 | JeffM2501 | well I guess we know what day we have to release it on :) |
| 18:04.04 | JeffM2501 | and call it "how far does the rabbit hole go?" |
| 18:04.10 | BulletCatcher | I see only Mothers Day in the ChangeLog, for 2.0.8. |
| 18:04.25 | BulletCatcher | Yeah. We'll aim for an April 1 release. |
| 18:04.28 | JeffM2501 | maybe that's what we changed it top |
| 18:04.29 | JeffM2501 | to |
| 18:04.44 | BulletCatcher | "No foolin'" |
| 18:04.58 | JeffM2501 | "unfortonatly not a joke" |
| 18:05.48 | BulletCatcher | "Only a fool wouldn't upgrade to this version." |
| 18:06.04 | *** topic/#bzflag by JeffM2501 -> http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || Channel Logs: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ || http://ohloh.net/p/bzflag || 2.0.14 is the current release || 2.0.16 TBR 4/1/10 for critical fixes |
| 18:07.32 | JeffM2501 | we'll let the fixes sew till the weekend, then push out a beta tarbal to the forums, let the server owners play with that for a bit and go from there |
| 18:07.39 | JeffM2501 | stew not sew |
| 18:07.54 | JeffM2501 | man today is going to be a fun day |
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| 19:04.56 | Constitution | our release cycle lately has been impressive |
| 19:05.04 | Constitution | good for us :) |
| 19:05.11 | blast007 | ~lart Constitution |
| 19:05.11 | ibot | does a little 'dpkg -P Constitution' action |
| 19:05.18 | blast007 | ;) |
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| 19:12.36 | JeffM2501 | meets the release quota for the next 3 years |
| 19:13.30 | JeffM2501 | how many servers are running the code with the fix now? |
| 19:24.45 | Constitution | ~BulletCatcher++ |
| 19:24.57 | Constitution | I'll update mine now |
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| 19:29.43 | blast007 | JeffM2501: my server is now running the updated code |
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| 20:05.00 | JeffM2501 | k, those should put it thru it's paces |
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| 20:21.45 | JeffM2501 | yay, openTK RC1 :) |
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| 22:34.35 | SpazzyMcGee | What height is a shot? |
| 22:35.07 | SpazzyMcGee | 2.5 ish? |
| 22:45.15 | jeffm | the wiki has it SpazzyMcGee |
| 22:45.24 | jeffm | 1.25 I think |
| 22:46.00 | SpazzyMcGee | heh, you'd have thought i'd remember from many years of building shot-height walls in maps |
| 22:46.07 | SpazzyMcGee | but no |
| 22:46.12 | SpazzyMcGee | i have to ask every time |
| 22:46.36 | jeffm | the tank is 2.05 high |
| 22:46.46 | jeffm | and the barrel is 1.57 |
| 22:46.57 | SpazzyMcGee | I thought it was bigger |
| 22:47.08 | SpazzyMcGee | (that's not what she said) |
| 22:47.46 | jeffm | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Tank |
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| 22:51.24 | Constitution | jeffm: you're using opentk for opencombat? |
| 22:51.37 | jeffm | yeah |
| 22:51.41 | jeffm | it's very cool |
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