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| 04:35.04 | Guest8997 | Anyone else notice sk3's hacks on fairserve :p |
| 04:35.44 | Guest8997 | why is my name not PANDA :/ |
| 04:35.52 | Bambino | spaces not allwed |
| 04:35.54 | Bambino | .. |
| 04:36.28 | temporalD | can't join fairserve |
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| 04:38.41 | chris____ | lol |
| 04:39.15 | Bambino | temporalD: I heard sk3 is DoSing it... |
| 04:39.20 | temporalD | k |
| 04:39.39 | Bambino | he had his bots on earlier |
| 04:43.33 | blast007 | chris____: IRC is funny for some reason? ;) |
| 04:44.39 | chris____ | erm, not really funny :P |
| 04:44.54 | Bambino | chris____: irc doesn't suppose spaces in names, so use an underscore |
| 04:45.09 | chris____ | oh, ok, thank you |
| 04:45.11 | Bambino | P_A_N_D_A would be your IRC/bzflag name |
| 04:45.20 | Bambino | lol |
| 04:45.28 | Bambino | tells him about /nick |
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| 04:45.58 | P_A_N_D_A | I can't log in though? |
| 04:46.09 | Bambino | P_A_N_D_A: you can also use /nick to change names while still logged in |
| 04:46.18 | Bambino | it might be all ready registered |
| 04:46.26 | Bambino | already* |
| 04:46.40 | P_A_N_D_A | oh, you meant on the thing that says "username" "password" I have to do P_A_N_D_A? or on the nickname? |
| 04:47.00 | Bambino | what irc client? |
| 04:47.12 | blast007 | he's using the web chat |
| 04:47.12 | Bambino | or is it webchat? |
| 04:47.16 | P_A_N_D_A | I'm just using the one on your site |
| 04:47.19 | P_A_N_D_A | one sec, brb |
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| 04:47.50 | blast007 | Bambino: you could probably link to #bzflag-chat instead |
| 04:47.51 | Bambino | k |
| 04:48.07 | Bambino | bztraining forum -> #bztraining :) |
| 04:48.15 | blast007 | k |
| 04:48.30 | Bambino | or I could add a bunch of links to common bz-related channels |
| 04:48.33 | Bambino | does that |
| 04:48.47 | Bambino | panda, it should say Username |
| 04:48.49 | Bambino | channel |
| 04:48.54 | Bambino | (#bztraining) |
| 04:48.55 | blast007 | or just have a thing that says to type /join #channel |
| 04:49.08 | Bambino | yeah |
| 04:49.25 | Bambino | panda, then you click auth to services |
| 04:49.30 | Bambino | and enter username and password |
| 04:49.38 | Bambino | *if* the name is registered |
| 04:49.41 | blast007 | he's not even registered |
| 04:50.06 | blast007 | P_A_N_D_A: IRC logins do not have any relation to BZFlag. |
| 04:50.24 | P_A_N_D_A | Oh...ok, didn't know :/ |
| 04:50.25 | blast007 | so don't bother putting in a password unless you register an account on IRC. |
| 04:51.15 | blast007 | this IRC network has over 30,000 channels. And maybe 30 of them at most are for BZFlag ;) |
| 04:52.08 | blast007 | (and around 56,000 users) |
| 04:52.09 | P_A_N_D_A | heh, ok brilliant :) |
| 04:52.21 | P_A_N_D_A | 4 years on this game and only now I work out th IRC |
| 04:52.29 | P_A_N_D_A | well, I asked Bambino how to use it |
| 04:52.30 | P_A_N_D_A | ;p |
| 04:53.20 | blast007 | you can type this to join a different channel: /join #bztraining |
| 04:53.35 | blast007 | and there will be a tab thingy for each channel you are in |
| 04:54.31 | P_A_N_D_A | oh that's very cool |
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| 06:17.53 | a_meteorite | P_A_N_D_A hurts my head |
| 06:30.07 | P_A_N_D_A | sorry a_meteorite :P |
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| 16:24.18 | CIA-80 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r20939 10/trunk/bzflag/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Explicitly link with the dl library when it is needed and available. |
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| 16:41.14 | atrixnet | hello all |
| 16:41.35 | atrixnet | i have simple question for the group, that I hope isn't going to get me into hot water |
| 16:41.46 | atrixnet | what do you think about the bzexcess admin group? You may PM me your answers if you are concerned about the privacy of your response |
| 16:41.54 | atrixnet | i VERY much appreciate all feedback |
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| 16:46.29 | atrixnet | how trustworthy and respected are the admins for bzexcess? |
| 16:46.38 | atrixnet | should I trust their admin group in my own groupsdb file? |
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| 18:53.29 | JeffM2501 | gives this article a double plus thumbs up :) http://www.itworld.com/open-source/101641/open-source-not-democracy |
| 18:54.43 | temporalD | is abandonware an anarchy? |
| 18:54.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah pretty much |
| 18:55.00 | JeffM2501 | or many small kingdoms |
| 18:55.30 | temporalD | I like serfing |
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| 18:55.46 | JeffM2501 | many open source projects are set up as fudalism |
| 18:55.58 | JeffM2501 | project leads are the lords, devs the serfs etc.. |
| 18:56.09 | JeffM2501 | and all bow down to the project manager :) |
| 18:56.28 | JeffM2501 | just thankfully there is no tythe |
| 18:58.05 | JeffM2501 | wonders if there is any dayquill left |
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| 20:32.24 | CIA-80 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20940 10/trunk/bzflag/DEVINFO: Add clarification for expected/assumed license transfer from author to project on submission of code/works/patches to the project so there is no confusion. |
| 20:32.36 | CIA-80 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20941 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/DEVINFO: Add clarification for expected/assumed license transfer from author to project on submission of code/works/patches to the project so there is no confusion. |
| 20:40.50 | JeffM2501 | probably not the best wording for it but I think it has to be said somewhere |
| 20:41.13 | JeffM2501 | specialy if we expect tim to be able to legaly transfer copyright to an org |
| 20:42.54 | JeffM2501 | best would be to have every developer/patch sumitter siigh a transfer of copyright for all sumbited works, but I don't think that's logisticaly feasable |
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| 21:00.25 | CIA-80 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r20942 10/trunk/bzflag/DEVINFO: sp |
| 21:00.30 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 21:00.33 | brlcad | not too shabby |
| 21:00.39 | CIA-80 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r20943 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/DEVINFO: sp |
| 21:00.41 | JeffM2501 | there is some stuff I'd change |
| 21:01.09 | JeffM2501 | I'm writing one for my stuff now, found a copyright transfer thing that has some better words :) |
| 21:01.58 | JeffM2501 | tehincaly we have to mention tim's sucsessors :) |
| 21:03.32 | CIA-80 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r20944 10/trunk/bzflag/DEVINFO: missed two |
| 21:03.43 | CIA-80 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r20945 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/DEVINFO: missed two |
| 21:04.08 | Constitution | cool, got my quota of commits for the month |
| 21:05.42 | JeffM2501 | http://pastebin.com/ytFCJW7W |
| 21:05.52 | JeffM2501 | that's what I came up with for my second shot |
| 21:09.16 | brlcad | apache has transfer terms iirc |
| 21:09.38 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 21:10.15 | JeffM2501 | just that article on slashdot about the FOSS game owner that sold off his project and everyone got pissed, made me think about it. |
| 21:11.34 | brlcad | http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0 has language of relevance in terms #2 and #3 and #5 |
| 21:12.27 | JeffM2501 | 2 and 3 would be good to include |
| 21:12.40 | JeffM2501 | I don't think we actualy want stuff for #5 |
| 21:13.03 | JeffM2501 | or at least take out the Unless part |
| 21:24.07 | Runic | there a quota? |
| 21:29.36 | CIA-80 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20946 10/trunk/bzflag/DEVINFO: better description of the terms of licenses granted to the project by submitters |
| 21:30.11 | JeffM2501 | no :) |
| 21:30.34 | JeffM2501 | he was just joking |
| 21:30.37 | CIA-80 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20947 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/DEVINFO: better description of the terms of licenses granted to the project by submitters |
| 21:30.53 | JeffM2501 | you should probably read that section of the devinfo Runic, as you are the newest dev :) |
| 21:31.24 | JeffM2501 | mostly it's "Tim can do whatever he wants with stuff you submit and you can't say aything" |
| 21:34.37 | thefirstdude | we are all going to die |
| 21:35.09 | JeffM2501 | I hope so |
| 21:35.13 | JeffM2501 | at some point |
| 21:35.19 | JeffM2501 | unless you are a bot |
| 21:35.22 | JeffM2501 | are you a bot? |
| 21:35.38 | thefirstdude | yes, I am a bot |
| 21:35.41 | thefirstdude | but I will die also |
| 21:35.53 | thefirstdude | when the day of dieing comes |
| 21:36.17 | JeffM2501 | I do hope that copyright gets transfered at some point |
| 21:36.20 | JeffM2501 | to an org |
| 21:36.36 | thefirstdude | bzflag copyright? |
| 21:36.40 | JeffM2501 | yup |
| 21:37.00 | JeffM2501 | to the BZFlag foundation for kids that don't shoot so good. |
| 21:37.03 | thefirstdude | this is open source man... |
| 21:37.14 | JeffM2501 | yeah.. dosn't mean it's still not copyright |
| 21:37.16 | thefirstdude | we are suposed to be free |
| 21:37.25 | JeffM2501 | just means that there is an open license to the work |
| 21:37.37 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is owned and copyright by tim riker |
| 21:37.44 | JeffM2501 | says so in the game and the code |
| 21:37.59 | thefirstdude | is he alias of trepan? |
| 21:38.03 | JeffM2501 | he's just so awesome that he's given you a license to do whatever you want to it |
| 21:38.05 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:38.12 | JeffM2501 | trepan is someone else |
| 21:38.20 | thefirstdude | oh |
| 21:38.37 | JeffM2501 | well he has said you can do ALMOST anything with it |
| 21:38.41 | thefirstdude | so he started the whole bzflag thing |
| 21:38.45 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:38.47 | JeffM2501 | chris did |
| 21:38.51 | JeffM2501 | tim is the second owner |
| 21:39.04 | thefirstdude | oh, and he died prematurely of the day of dieing? |
| 21:39.31 | thefirstdude | cool, can I be the 3rd owner :P |
| 21:39.38 | JeffM2501 | no he works at pixar now |
| 21:39.39 | thefirstdude | tim, give it to me :D |
| 21:39.46 | JeffM2501 | makes movies |
| 21:39.52 | thefirstdude | wow, sounds fun |
| 21:40.09 | thefirstdude | I must make my own bzflag and become a pixarian also |
| 21:40.57 | JeffM2501 | I remember when Chris wanted to do a comerical release of bzflag :) |
| 21:41.05 | Runic | hm, pixar - that's cool |
| 21:41.10 | thefirstdude | lol, no way |
| 21:41.13 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:41.16 | thefirstdude | bzflag isn't really that popular |
| 21:41.25 | JeffM2501 | this was back in 1995 |
| 21:41.29 | Runic | it was for a while |
| 21:41.48 | JeffM2501 | and yeah he saw that it wasn't a great idea |
| 21:41.50 | thefirstdude | but eveyrone who makes code and works on stuff wants to be compensated somehow...I know the feeling |
| 21:42.04 | JeffM2501 | it was't open source at that time |
| 21:44.28 | *** part/#bzflag Runic (~Runic@rrcs-71-43-7-218.se.biz.rr.com) |
| 21:44.46 | JeffM2501 | Although tim could sell a closed source license to anyone he wanted to |
| 21:48.29 | Wreckage | speaking of licenses |
| 21:48.53 | Wreckage | im going to put up these on to bzflag forums: http://bit.ly/bzwallpapers2 |
| 21:49.03 | JeffM2501 | lgpl |
| 21:49.05 | Wreckage | i used tank.obj and the bullets and icons from the source |
| 21:49.14 | Wreckage | okay thanks :) |
| 21:49.17 | JeffM2501 | anything derived from or stuff has to be lgpl |
| 21:49.30 | Wreckage | k that's what I was making sure of |
| 21:50.03 | JeffM2501 | unless you get tim to grant you a different license :) |
| 21:50.21 | Wreckage | phone number? |
| 21:50.30 | JeffM2501 | tim at rikers.org |
| 21:50.34 | Wreckage | :D lgpl is good |
| 21:50.51 | JeffM2501 | I'd like him to change the artwork to be licensed under creative commons share alike |
| 21:50.57 | JeffM2501 | because what is the "soruce" for a picture |
| 21:51.35 | Wreckage | mmhmm. do i need to state where i got the bullets/icon/tank from or just post pictures and say Liscence: LGPL |
| 21:54.12 | Wreckage | ? |
| 21:54.28 | JeffM2501 | saying lgpl is fine |
| 21:54.49 | JeffM2501 | legaly if someone asks you for the "source" you'd have to give them the files you used |
| 21:55.12 | Wreckage | oh I sure can't let that happen |
| 21:55.37 | Wreckage | heh okie dokie going to upload |
| 21:55.51 | JeffM2501 | the lgpl dosn't have a requirement to "post" the sources anywhere, just that they be provided if requested. |
| 21:56.13 | Wreckage | sounds good. |
| 21:56.20 | Wreckage | i will call the wallpapers "I'm not Saturos but here you go" |
| 21:56.36 | Wreckage | nah ill go with "5 Tanks BZFlag Wallpaper" |
| 21:57.01 | JeffM2501 | needs to get his tank models UVmapped |
| 21:58.26 | Wreckage | heh working on something yourself? |
| 21:58.34 | JeffM2501 | ya |
| 21:58.55 | trepan | trepan has no aliases ... well, none for this project |
| 21:59.05 | Wreckage | I'll be honest. I used Wings3D and POVray to render the 5 tanks but I never UVmapped them |
| 21:59.17 | JeffM2501 | trepan has no king.. trepan needs no king. |
| 21:59.31 | JeffM2501 | tank.obj is already uv mapped |
| 21:59.35 | JeffM2501 | I made sure of htat |
| 21:59.36 | JeffM2501 | that |
| 21:59.48 | Wreckage | o rly? |
| 21:59.53 | Wreckage | must have grabbed the wrong one |
| 22:00.06 | trepan | trepan has some cookies, trepan probably needs no cookies |
| 22:00.08 | JeffM2501 | I've never made a non mapped file |
| 22:01.24 | trepan | "The Ultimate Chocolate Chip Cookie" -- they aren't living up to the hype |
| 22:01.35 | Wreckage | is this http://my.bzflag.org/resources/models/Tank.obj uvmapped? |
| 22:01.36 | JeffM2501 | ain't that always the way |
| 22:01.43 | Wreckage | or are you talking about the one you have made |
| 22:01.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah see the VT lines in there |
| 22:02.02 | JeffM2501 | thats VertexTexture |
| 22:02.11 | JeffM2501 | that's got UVs |
| 22:02.16 | Wreckage | oh... |
| 22:02.35 | bryjen | if you eat them all, then you will have no cookies ;) |
| 22:02.54 | JeffM2501 | at that point then trepan conquors all :) |
| 22:03.03 | trepan | or goes to the hospital |
| 22:03.13 | Wreckage | thinks i am misunderstanding the term "uvmapped" |
| 22:03.32 | JeffM2501 | it means having texture coordinates for each vertex so a texture can be applied |
| 22:03.48 | Wreckage | (oops) |
| 22:03.48 | bryjen | ah, so not ultimate as in best you'll ever eat, but as in last :( |
| 22:04.03 | JeffM2501 | so penultimate chocholate chip? |
| 22:04.14 | Wreckage | i was referring to actually having the tank textured with red_tank.png or something |
| 22:04.22 | Wreckage | like it appears in the game |
| 22:04.28 | JeffM2501 | Wreckage, that's just applying a texture to the UVs |
| 22:04.45 | Wreckage | ahh. got confused terms while using Wings3D |
| 22:04.52 | JeffM2501 | not having your renderer apply a texture dosn't make the UV mapping go away, it just means you didn't use it |
| 22:05.04 | JeffM2501 | wings is using it wright |
| 22:05.05 | JeffM2501 | right |
| 22:05.16 | trepan | wright, shaggy! |
| 22:05.17 | JeffM2501 | you just chose not to define a texure |
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| 22:05.29 | JeffM2501 | tosses trepan another penultimate cookie |
| 22:06.10 | JeffM2501 | ohhhhkay... so searching my drives for the word "tank"... not a great idea :) |
| 22:06.29 | trepan | filename or content search? |
| 22:06.36 | JeffM2501 | both |
| 22:06.36 | Wreckage | anyways. I took the tank.obj, rendered 5 white tanks with POVray, then opened GIMP and made each tank texture a pattern, and then applied one of those patterns onto each tank individually using 50% transparency and multiply mode :) |
| 22:07.27 | Wreckage | looks like they are uvmapp-- err-- textured in 3d :) |
| 22:07.35 | Wreckage | k thanks :) |
| 22:07.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah you used the mappings. just with different textures |
| 22:08.24 | Wreckage | well i didn't even define a texture |
| 22:08.33 | Wreckage | so the default was white |
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| 22:14.50 | JeffM2501 | ahah, found me tank |
| 22:14.51 | JeffM2501 | http://www.opencombat.net/tmp/hovy/ |
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| 22:19.48 | Wreckage | JeffM: haha nice |
| 22:24.47 | Wreckage | woopsies I forget how to post a link (click one word which brings you to url) |
| 22:25.12 | JeffM2501 | just paste the URL, it'll become a link |
| 22:25.37 | Wreckage | I want a user to click on "LGPL" and it to take them to the link |
| 22:26.27 | JeffM2501 | there is a button for it in the header says URL |
| 22:26.43 | JeffM2501 | and you can click on the "BBCODE" thing on the right |
| 22:26.48 | JeffM2501 | it'll bring up the help window |
| 22:39.18 | Wreckage | Thanks again! http://bit.ly/8XxI2Q |
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