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| 02:15.08 | jeffm | and where... where.. is the .. BATMAN!? |
| 02:19.32 | L4m3r | my new boss is named Bruce... he's got a bunch of Batman nick-nacks and his cell voicemail says "You've reached Bruce Wayne..." |
| 02:19.46 | L4m3r | kinda eccentric? |
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| 12:59.40 | shining^ | hey |
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| 13:30.52 | shining^ | I have two slightly contradictory problems :) |
| 13:32.03 | shining^ | 1) this patch/code : http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/3D/FontManager.cxx?r1=9539&r2=9613 causes an excessive repetition of the following mesa calls during runtime : http://dpaste.com/171023/ |
| 13:33.29 | shining^ | 2) this is fixed in 3.0 with ftgl, but the codebase looks extremely bloated to build now compared to 2.0 : http://paste.pocoo.org/show/188797/ . from less than 4min to 12min ! |
| 13:44.18 | cygal | v3 represents five years of work in bzflag, bzfs, bzfadmin, bzrobots, among others. |
| 13:46.10 | shining^ | yeah there seemed to be a lot of changes |
| 13:46.58 | cygal | (and developers don't mind if it takes 12 minutes for the first build, since we only recompile affected files) |
| 13:47.06 | cygal | (and users do not have to compile the game) |
| 13:47.27 | shining^ | anyway, it all built and ran fine, besides fixing the issue I had with v3 |
| 13:47.38 | shining^ | and you are completely right on the two additional points |
| 13:48.12 | shining^ | so definitely a minor regression :) anyway my main interest was in 1) |
| 13:48.22 | shining^ | oops |
| 13:48.26 | shining^ | s/v3/v2 |
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| 15:16.20 | shining^ | are the people likely to know something about the font filtering code in v2.0 reading backlogs ? |
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| 16:27.08 | BulletCatcher | shining^: What is the impact of the "excessive" mesa calls in the font filtering code? |
| 16:32.13 | shining^ | BulletCatcher: unplayable game with the driver I am using. of course that driver can be improved, I am trying to see what I can do. I just thought improvements could be made on both sides |
| 16:32.17 | shining^ | http://dpaste.com/171227/ |
| 16:33.41 | BulletCatcher | What driver, what GPU? |
| 16:34.26 | shining^ | nouveau classic mesa for nv20 and lower family. gpu is nv25 |
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| 16:39.38 | blast007 | shining^: maybe you'd have better luck with nVidia's driver? ;) |
| 16:39.55 | shining^ | basically I am testing nouveau drivers on various games with the different cards I have and report eventual problems to its developers |
| 16:40.20 | blast007 | you said it works okay in 2.99.x? |
| 16:40.39 | BulletCatcher | At this point we are trying to make only critical changes to 2.0.x, so if the nvidia driver works then we aren't anxious to accomodate anything else. |
| 16:40.52 | shining^ | blast007: my goal is to help nouveau development :) as I said, the driver can be improved, it doesnt seem too hard, even I might be able to do it :) |
| 16:41.09 | JefferyM | what in 2.0.x dosn't work on his driver? |
| 16:41.53 | shining^ | the back and forth switching between mipmap and non mipmap on every drawstring call |
| 16:41.56 | shining^ | http://dpaste.com/171023/ |
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| 16:42.12 | JefferyM | yeah get a new driver ;) |
| 16:42.20 | JefferyM | that's a standard GL call |
| 16:45.18 | BulletCatcher | shining^: Do you get decent frame rates with 2.99.x and the nouveau driver? |
| 16:48.21 | JefferyM | interesting that trunk dosn't do that anymore. that change wasn't something we intended to make, I guess fonts was the only place we really did that |
| 16:50.24 | shining^ | JefferyM: what change ? |
| 16:50.46 | shining^ | BulletCatcher: I can just enable or disable filtering all the time, and it works perfectly |
| 16:51.17 | shining^ | I can also use window mode or lower resolution, which causes lower font size to be used, which avoids filtering |
| 16:52.06 | shining^ | I can also do a very easy workaround in the driver, but that might break things. I am working on a more proper fix |
| 16:52.52 | shining^ | but it is indeed important to know when 3.0 is released and when 2.0 becomes obsolete |
| 16:54.31 | shining^ | I thought 3.0 might still take a few years to complete, and that it made sense to think if 2.0 code could be optimized somehow |
| 16:54.38 | BulletCatcher | It sounds like the latest nouveau support for nvidia cards is approaching the proprietary driver. I'll give it a try when I install the alpha release of Fedora 13 this weekend. |
| 16:56.01 | BulletCatcher | We don't have a plan to release 3.0. It will likely be several months, maybe many more than that. |
| 16:57.00 | shining^ | the nouveau 3d side is clearly lacking. it works on several games but its probably 10 times slower than the blob :) I made a matrix recently on what works and what doesnt : http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/XavierChantry |
| 16:57.04 | JefferyM | shining^, not changing texture mode |
| 16:57.20 | JefferyM | trunk dosn't use the same font system so it dosn't do the same kinda mode swap |
| 16:57.58 | JefferyM | 3.0 better not have years left :) |
| 16:58.30 | JefferyM | and in general we have stoped making changes to the game to support weak drivers. We took a lot of the old ATI/3dfx stuff out of the code |
| 16:58.40 | JefferyM | if you arn't GL compliant, you are on your own :) |
| 17:02.14 | shining^ | indeed we clearly cannot say that bzflags is not GL compliant. though there is a difference between compliant and good practices. but I dont know enough about opengl myself to tell. |
| 17:02.47 | shining^ | basically if you are not aware of any other problems caused by that code (with other drivers), and cannot see anything wrong or bad with it, fair enough. |
| 17:03.05 | JefferyM | the GL spec says we can change the mode whenever we want |
| 17:03.08 | JefferyM | that's the main thing |
| 17:03.20 | JefferyM | it should work, and I've NEVER heard of it not working anywhere else |
| 17:03.48 | JefferyM | changing it a lot does suck, it makes things slower, so I'm glad we are doing it less in 3.0 |
| 17:04.08 | JefferyM | some old cards can flush cache on a texture mode change |
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| 17:10.55 | shining^ | 'less' is a bit weak. we are talking about thousand of calls vs just a few dozens one, for 1 min of playing or something, but whatever :) its fine, especially since I dont have enough information and didnt benchmark the impact with other drivers. that would be interesting to see |
| 17:11.35 | JefferyM | well there are some textures that we don't want to be mip maped |
| 17:11.41 | JefferyM | for graphical reasons |
| 17:11.48 | JefferyM | for those we need to change to another mode |
| 17:11.54 | JefferyM | GL being a state machine and all |
| 17:12.23 | JefferyM | mostly those are UI graphics, like the fonts |
| 17:12.53 | JefferyM | but text uses FTGL and freetype now, so it generates the fonts at the output resolution so we don't have to change modes for scaling |
| 17:13.31 | shining^ | yup |
| 17:13.31 | JefferyM | it's also a memory savings to not mipmap textures that are drawn at a fixed resolution |
| 17:13.48 | shining^ | but this cannot be set once and for all ? |
| 17:14.13 | JefferyM | not if you want some textures interpolated, and others not |
| 17:14.20 | JefferyM | GL uses the active mode when drawing |
| 17:14.35 | JefferyM | so to draw an image non interpolated, we'd have to change modes before we draw |
| 17:14.39 | JefferyM | we only use GL 1.2 |
| 17:14.43 | JefferyM | not the newer fancy stuff |
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| 17:15.46 | JefferyM | heck we even use glCopyPixels :) |
| 17:16.42 | JefferyM | rememeber, bzflag was writen in 1992 |
| 17:17.31 | shining^ | wow , and it still has an active community, thats impressive |
| 17:17.58 | JefferyM | it wasn't open sourced untill much later, 97 I think |
| 17:19.26 | JefferyM | but it has never had a full engine rewrite, so it uses a lot of GL calls tha modern games would not touch |
| 17:21.37 | shining^ | well that seems to still work fine anyway :) |
| 17:22.34 | shining^ | an update : the nv20 developer seemed to be surprised at first by bzflag behavior but now he says its fine after seeing that discussion :) |
| 17:26.15 | JefferyM | heh |
| 17:26.37 | shining^ | so thanks for your time and explanation |
| 17:26.42 | JefferyM | hope he implemented the scissor buffer too :) |
| 17:27.46 | shining^ | GL_SCISSOR_TEST ? |
| 17:28.10 | JefferyM | yep |
| 17:28.22 | JefferyM | that's how we clip out the radar |
| 17:30.03 | JefferyM | but still I'm of the opinion that if the driver says it's supports GL 1.2 it should support GL 1.2, and not make the app change. We should stand strong to force them to make quality drivers. it's our duty :) |
| 17:30.29 | JefferyM | and the communiuty will end up with a better driver in the end |
| 17:31.13 | JefferyM | I could see some cad/cam apps doing the same kind of mode swap for UI elements |
| 17:33.27 | shining^ | if I didnt hit this only in bzflag, I wouldnt even have thought of coming here. of course I cannot test every app out there, I just tested a limited range of 3d games |
| 17:33.49 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 17:33.50 | shining^ | GL_SCISSOR_TEST ? |
| 17:33.58 | JefferyM | games just arn't the only GL apps out there |
| 17:33.58 | shining^ | oops |
| 17:34.08 | shining^ | 15:37 < curro_> shining^: anyway, a 3d driver is basically a collection of ad-hoc performance workarounds :P |
| 17:34.17 | shining^ | 15:40 < shining^> yeah :) but sometimes I wonder if its the driver that should workaround the game, or the game that should workaround the driver |
| 17:34.20 | shining^ | 15:41 < arab> shining^: non of the above, both should be fixed. |
| 17:34.52 | shining^ | but it seems bzflag might not even be a bad guy after all :) |
| 17:34.53 | JefferyM | heh, yeah that's a driver programer talkin |
| 17:35.15 | JefferyM | notice he dosn't even mention the GL standard spec ;) |
| 17:35.37 | JefferyM | there is nothing to fix in bzflag |
| 17:35.47 | JefferyM | redbook says we can change modes, we changed modes |
| 17:36.05 | JefferyM | sure it may not be the most efficent |
| 17:36.09 | JefferyM | but it should work |
| 17:36.34 | JefferyM | GL spec says that if a GL implementation can't handle something it's suposed to fallback to software |
| 17:36.48 | JefferyM | that's why they do reference tests |
| 17:37.24 | JefferyM | the main reason why we got rid of the code in 3.0 was beceause scaling fonts looked like crap :) |
| 17:38.39 | shining^ | btw I never said the code was wrong, and it does work even with that driver. it just hit a slow path which can be fixed. I was just curious if you thought it could be made more efficiently |
| 17:38.42 | JefferyM | I know |
| 17:38.54 | JefferyM | oh LOTS of things in bzflag could be done more efficently ;) |
| 17:39.07 | JefferyM | like the entire codebase, graphical and not |
| 17:39.24 | shining^ | ahah yeah there is always room for improvement everywhere |
| 17:39.45 | JefferyM | the code you refer to was my first shot at making a font system |
| 17:40.07 | JefferyM | it's better then the old one we had only in the fact that we could actualy make new fonts for it |
| 17:40.27 | JefferyM | the new system is techincaly slower, but looks a heck of a lot better |
| 17:41.58 | shining^ | yeah it did look nice. I am now building on the old system to check |
| 17:42.32 | JefferyM | some ATI cards had some scaling issues with the old font system too |
| 17:42.45 | JefferyM | they didn't like to draw in some modes in orthographic |
| 17:44.29 | shining^ | ah |
| 17:45.33 | shining^ | anyway that old font system is good to find driver bugs :) |
| 17:45.53 | shining^ | actually it caused another problem with a higher end nvidia card, I didnt figure out that one yet |
| 17:46.23 | shining^ | while I am at it.. there are completely harmless gl user errors while exiting the game |
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| 17:47.16 | JefferyM | like? |
| 17:47.41 | shining^ | http://dpaste.com/171245/ |
| 17:48.38 | JefferyM | interesting |
| 17:48.51 | JefferyM | wonder when your context died |
| 17:50.24 | shining^ | well if that one is more interesting, I will try to investigate it after fixing the other issue |
| 17:50.49 | JefferyM | it's not THAT interesting :) |
| 17:51.03 | JefferyM | more of a curiosity |
| 17:51.23 | JefferyM | it probably mans that the context is killed by us to soon, or some objects are left over after it's gone. |
| 17:53.44 | JefferyM | but it would only be worth it to look at in trunk |
| 17:56.34 | shining^ | I will. if it took 8min to build on my new laptop, it will probably take 30min on that old crap, eheh |
| 18:15.51 | shining^ | well that was a pretty good approximation. 33min :) |
| 18:17.51 | shining^ | so yeah I confirm trunk works perfectly and fonts look very good ! |
| 18:19.29 | shining^ | output on exit looks slightly different : http://dpaste.com/171269/ |
| 18:21.44 | JefferyM | you'd have to put a breakpoint there and find out what is calling it |
| 18:45.55 | shining^ | JefferyM: guess what, some of it actually comes from the font code :) |
| 18:45.59 | shining^ | http://dpaste.com/171281/ |
| 18:46.50 | JefferyM | hmm, probably just need to move the context destroy to the end of the clieanup |
| 18:47.02 | JefferyM | isn't too big of an issue |
| 18:47.10 | JefferyM | few people run in a way that generates those warnings |
| 18:48.22 | shining^ | indeed, you need a mesa debug build |
| 18:50.02 | JefferyM | well even then, linux is not our major client platform |
| 18:50.07 | JefferyM | it's #3 |
| 18:51.00 | shining^ | ah, even worse then |
| 18:52.14 | shining^ | do you have accurate usage numbers ? |
| 18:52.19 | JefferyM | no |
| 18:52.19 | shining^ | osx is #2 ? |
| 18:52.21 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 18:52.31 | JefferyM | we have some major servers that keep stats |
| 18:52.35 | JefferyM | so we extrapolate |
| 18:52.40 | JefferyM | we feel they are accurate enough |
| 18:53.13 | JefferyM | windows usualy hangs just over 50%, OSX has been increasing in use and is over 25% |
| 18:53.29 | JefferyM | with linux/solaris/whatever else making up the rest |
| 18:53.38 | shining^ | interesting |
| 18:54.00 | JefferyM | it lets me know that the inclusion of the game in distros is NOT how most new players find the gamed |
| 18:54.13 | JefferyM | now, as for servers, like 99% of them run linux :) |
| 18:54.25 | JefferyM | or bsd |
| 18:54.58 | shining^ | yeah there might be other cross platform games in similar situations |
| 18:55.01 | shining^ | when did the various platform support appear ? |
| 18:58.02 | JefferyM | SGI was the first one |
| 18:59.09 | JefferyM | dunno when when linux was made, I helped get windows working in 95-96 |
| 18:59.27 | JefferyM | OSX came after open source, somewhere in the 2000's |
| 18:59.39 | JefferyM | there were actualy 2 OSX ports at one point |
| 18:59.50 | JefferyM | now everyone but windows just uses SDL and it's a lot simpler |
| 19:00.02 | shining^ | indeed |
| 19:00.19 | shining^ | hmm does SDL actually support windows ? |
| 19:00.23 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 19:00.48 | JefferyM | we don't use it beceause our native code supports a few more features then SDL does |
| 19:00.52 | JefferyM | mostly for game controllers |
| 19:01.05 | JefferyM | more axis/buttons |
| 19:01.14 | shining^ | k |
| 19:04.34 | JefferyM | the platform code is a minor part of the codebase |
| 19:55.26 | shining^ | fwiw this fixed all the deletetextures error on exit : http://dpaste.com/171313/ |
| 19:55.30 | shining^ | I dont know whats up with the bindtexture ones |
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| 20:22.58 | JefferyM | yeah that's what I figured we'd have to do, change the order |
| 20:23.05 | JefferyM | Pimpinella, you change your dns yet? |
| 20:44.43 | blast007 | JefferyM: was it the dub. one? if so, then no |
| 20:44.51 | JefferyM | sigh |
| 20:45.02 | JefferyM | we could just filter it at the list server level :) |
| 20:47.42 | JefferyM | sends an email, see if that gets a responce |
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| 21:13.18 | Pimpinella | JefferyM: dns? change? what for? |
| 21:13.35 | JefferyM | Pimpinella, dub.bzflag.org to dub.bzflag.net |
| 21:13.49 | JefferyM | you are the last one |
| 21:14.46 | Pimpinella | i hear the first time about that... |
| 21:15.06 | JefferyM | emails were sent out to all the owners last year |
| 21:15.09 | JefferyM | the ones we had on file |
| 21:15.17 | JefferyM | it's been discussed in the GU forms |
| 21:15.29 | JefferyM | kiera said she told you |
| 21:15.34 | JefferyM | and I sent you an email :) |
| 21:15.45 | JefferyM | sorry not GU fourms, ducati |
| 21:15.57 | JefferyM | so can you just change the configs to have .net instead of .org |
| 21:16.03 | JefferyM | the dns entry is in place already |
| 21:16.04 | Pimpinella | sure |
| 21:16.07 | JefferyM | has been for a very long time |
| 21:16.08 | JefferyM | thanks |
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| 21:23.41 | Pimpinella | JefferyM: done, hope i found them all |
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| 21:24.12 | JefferyM | you missed 59999 Pimpinella |
| 21:24.24 | JefferyM | Ducati League match server |
| 21:24.44 | Pimpinella | hm |
| 21:24.54 | JefferyM | or at least that's still in the list server as .org |
| 21:25.15 | JefferyM | TimRiker, techincaly you have to do the same with xmission ;) |
| 21:25.30 | JefferyM | not that I think you'd put naughty pictures up on it |
| 21:26.57 | TimRiker | heh. I suppose I should. I was hoping to get that box setup as a db/bb backup but alas, not gotten around to that at all. |
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| 21:27.29 | brad | someone should probably tell the planet-mofo people their texture downloads are no longer working with the changes |
| 21:27.32 | TimRiker | it's also bzflag.xmission.com |
| 21:27.34 | Pimpinella | JefferyM: can you check again? |
| 21:27.37 | JefferyM | that's fine, I just think we should host game servers on .net |
| 21:27.48 | JefferyM | if it's used for services it can be .org for those |
| 21:28.06 | JefferyM | all you'd have to do is change the config to .net, nothing else |
| 21:28.13 | TimRiker | JefferyM: yeah, agreed. |
| 21:28.28 | JefferyM | Pimpinella, still shows |
| 21:28.57 | JefferyM | dub.bzflag.org:59999 BZFS0026 0031000200000000000000000708140000000a000a000000000019 217.20.127.212 Ducati League match server |
| 21:29.47 | Pimpinella | confused |
| 21:30.00 | JefferyM | perhaps it's just old data? |
| 21:30.04 | blast007 | grep your config |
| 21:30.28 | blast007 | ah, yeah, might be |
| 21:30.36 | blast007 | I see both .org and .net |
| 21:30.47 | JefferyM | ok, then it'll die at some point |
| 21:31.06 | blast007 | it's gone now ;) |
| 21:31.21 | JefferyM | then TimRiker that's it, all the .org have been converted to .net |
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| 21:31.40 | JefferyM | well eccept yours :) |
| 21:32.13 | TimRiker | I just changed xmission too. |
| 21:32.20 | JefferyM | cool |
| 21:35.19 | TimRiker | I dream of adding ipv6 support someday. :/ |
| 21:35.23 | Pimpinella | seems it's out there now |
| 21:35.40 | TimRiker | ~nslookup xmission.ipv6.bzflag.org |
| 21:35.42 | JefferyM | we all dream of adding many things ;) |
| 21:35.52 | JefferyM | /snicker |
| 21:35.55 | TimRiker | hehe. silly perl can't do ipv6 lookups apparently |
| 21:36.16 | JefferyM | dreams of XML defined UI components |
| 21:36.40 | TimRiker | removed dub and brad from .b.o |
| 21:38.05 | Pimpinella | JefferyM: which emay addy did you use? |
| 21:38.20 | JefferyM | the one you have for your bzbb account |
| 21:38.33 | JefferyM | the one I expect to be your contact info ;) |
| 21:38.36 | Pimpinella | well, yours i mean |
| 21:38.46 | JefferyM | probalby a gibbscam one |
| 21:38.51 | JefferyM | is at work |
| 21:41.10 | JefferyM | Axis info records are booring :( |
| 22:15.45 | mrapplecomputer1 | Um for some reason in 2.0.* i have a teleporter that teleports tanks but not shots, i thought this wasnt possible? |
| 22:16.41 | JefferyM | is it defined differently then a regular teleporter? |
| 22:16.55 | mrapplecomputer1 | i3tes |
| 22:16.57 | mrapplecomputer1 | yes* |
| 22:17.21 | mrapplecomputer1 | http://pastebin.com/9qhH3JK8 |
| 22:18.24 | JefferyM | could be the zero width |
| 22:18.36 | JefferyM | perhaps the shots never think they are "in it" |
| 22:18.45 | mrapplecomputer1 | hm |
| 22:18.46 | JefferyM | since they too are 0 size |
| 22:18.55 | mrapplecomputer1 | i thought something other then 0 width screwed it up |
| 22:19.16 | JefferyM | goes to find his teleporter anatomy pic |
| 22:19.21 | mrapplecomputer1 | tried changing width |
| 22:19.22 | mrapplecomputer1 | nothing |
| 22:21.56 | JefferyM | X size should be no larger then the border size |
| 22:22.13 | mrapplecomputer1 | ? |
| 22:22.17 | mrapplecomputer1 | uh why? |
| 22:22.37 | JefferyM | X size deterimens how far the fields are from the center |
| 22:22.47 | JefferyM | if they are larger thent he border, they stick outside the edge of the "arch" |
| 22:22.53 | JefferyM | and then you can see behind them |
| 22:23.04 | JefferyM | that's the only limit with X I belive |
| 22:23.31 | mrapplecomputer1 | oh |
| 22:23.40 | JefferyM | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Image:AnatomyOfATeleporter.png |
| 22:23.49 | JefferyM | I knew it was somewhere :) |
| 22:25.45 | mrapplecomputer1 | cool |
| 22:25.45 | JefferyM | oh and to answer your question from the other day, we don't just let people make groups on bzbb so that we can apply some level of name controll to the groups, and keep them in the SERVER.GROUP format |
| 22:26.13 | JefferyM | the goal is to extend the group system to have more features as well, not just make it so that we dont' have to manualy make them |
| 22:26.20 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok |
| 22:26.28 | mrapplecomputer1 | anyways, my normal teleporter still isnt teleporting shots :P |
| 22:26.33 | JefferyM | also keeping it with phpbb is stupid |
| 22:26.41 | JefferyM | sucks to be you then |
| 22:26.52 | JefferyM | other teleporters work for you? in other maps? |
| 22:27.26 | mrapplecomputer1 | yah |
| 22:27.50 | JefferyM | then you need to simplify the maps that work down bit by bit untill they don't work |
| 22:28.06 | JefferyM | I'd start by making a map with just a pair of linked porters from a working map |
| 22:28.09 | JefferyM | see if they work |
| 22:28.22 | JefferyM | if so, edit them one value at a time untill they stop working |
| 22:28.27 | JefferyM | then you know what value made the change. |
| 22:34.31 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok i setup a simple map http://pastebin.com/ePBD5xjF |
| 22:34.40 | mrapplecomputer1 | now it feels like teleporting shots but not tanks |
| 22:34.41 | mrapplecomputer1 | :| |
| 22:36.23 | JefferyM | did that setup work on another map? |
| 22:38.16 | mrapplecomputer1 | oh wait it works |
| 22:38.22 | mrapplecomputer1 | it was impossible to tell because the map was empty |
| 22:38.29 | mrapplecomputer1 | so both sides looked the same lol |
| 22:38.41 | JefferyM | umm yeah lol I guess |
| 22:38.56 | JefferyM | now change it to look like the one that dosn't work, one paramater at a time. |
| 22:39.13 | mrapplecomputer1 | o |
| 22:39.13 | mrapplecomputer1 | k |
| 22:41.45 | mrapplecomputer1 | wierd |
| 22:41.56 | mrapplecomputer1 | looks like bzfs complains when you only have one side of the tele linked |
| 22:42.02 | mrapplecomputer1 | but when you link both sides then it works |
| 22:44.03 | JefferyM | they are intended to be fully linked, so yes |
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