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| 13:14.01 | randomparticle | what's up with moon? :) |
| 13:14.12 | randomparticle | the moon texture section is commented out in 2.0.x |
| 13:14.24 | randomparticle | so all you see is a solid white disk |
| 13:14.34 | randomparticle | but "moon.png" does exist in the data directory |
| 13:15.39 | joevano | is there a comment in the commit refering to why? |
| 13:15.53 | joevano | i can,t access the source right now |
| 13:15.59 | randomparticle | i'll have a look |
| 13:18.10 | randomparticle | all i can see is: "Increase moon segments for exp. quality - Jeff Myers |
| 13:18.10 | randomparticle | " |
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| 17:23.41 | JefferyM | sends the brlcad an email on social.bzflag.net |
| 17:24.22 | JefferyM | unless anyone has a better idea for a domain name for it? |
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| 17:26.38 | BulletCatcher | Nothing but worse ideas here. :-) |
| 17:28.07 | JefferyM | well I also thouight about players.bzflag.net |
| 17:29.12 | JefferyM | it would actualy be best if it didn't have bzflag.net in the name, and was like bzflagplayers.com |
| 17:29.24 | JefferyM | but that dosn't seem "connected" to me |
| 17:30.51 | brlcad | hm? |
| 17:31.32 | BulletCatcher | Is it going to be "officially" connected with the project, or just something run by the project officials? |
| 17:31.33 | BulletCatcher | The latter would leave more room for competing sites. |
| 17:39.53 | JefferyM | I would like it to be run by the project |
| 17:39.53 | JefferyM | but the project will pick s group of admins from the community |
| 17:39.55 | JefferyM | as in I don't want to watch it every day :) |
| 17:40.03 | JefferyM | brlcad, can I have a vhost ? :) |
| 17:40.21 | brlcad | sure |
| 17:40.51 | JefferyM | something like social.bzflag.bz or players.bzflag.bz, or drama.bzflag.bz |
| 17:41.03 | spldart | Heh... drama... |
| 17:41.19 | JefferyM | mytankspace.bzflag.bz |
| 17:41.38 | JefferyM | oh and a database |
| 17:41.47 | BulletCatcher | "social" seems to provide the right context without risk of infringing on any trademarks. |
| 17:41.52 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 17:42.08 | JefferyM | how did you like elgg for the time you played with it? |
| 17:42.27 | BulletCatcher | It seems okay. |
| 17:42.38 | JefferyM | other then your mail server not liking my domain name :) |
| 17:42.47 | JefferyM | do you think it'll be usefull to players? |
| 17:42.50 | BulletCatcher | My biggest complaint is that it really wants a wide browser window. |
| 17:42.57 | JefferyM | there are other themes |
| 17:42.58 | spldart | heh.. frat.bzflag.whatever ;) |
| 17:43.02 | JefferyM | I just picked one |
| 17:43.04 | JefferyM | heh |
| 17:43.29 | BulletCatcher | It's hard to say how much of the community will really use it. |
| 17:43.41 | JefferyM | true |
| 17:44.01 | JefferyM | I plan on linking it from the forums, and if it works, pulling the players and various leauge sections |
| 17:44.18 | JefferyM | then that leaves bzbb just for project discusson/support |
| 17:44.36 | JefferyM | and moves social stuff to this site where it's managed more by the community rather then us |
| 17:44.52 | BulletCatcher | Is Google Wave ready for prime time yet? ;-) |
| 17:45.12 | JefferyM | can you have a wave "site"? |
| 17:45.21 | BulletCatcher | You're supposed to be able to. |
| 17:45.22 | JefferyM | or just groups of users? |
| 17:45.49 | JefferyM | I think it woudl be hard to get wave to authenticate against bzbb |
| 17:46.06 | JefferyM | elgg has auth plugins so we should be able to write one that works with global |
| 17:47.10 | JefferyM | the other option is buddypress but that would possibly require more work on brlcad's end since it does some odd stuff with dns |
| 17:47.53 | JefferyM | I wish I knew more about what drupal did as well |
| 17:50.04 | JefferyM | hmm looks like there is some work in this area |
| 17:50.06 | JefferyM | http://drupal.org/node/206724 |
| 17:51.56 | temporalD | if the bzbb splits into dev vs players, where will game registration go? |
| 17:51.56 | JefferyM | oh nice, and there is a module to do auth against phpbb it looks like, http://drupal.org/node/293233 |
| 17:52.04 | JefferyM | bzbb |
| 17:52.18 | JefferyM | I want the social site to be an extension of the fourms |
| 17:52.23 | temporalD | gotcha |
| 17:52.31 | JefferyM | since the fourms are still there for player help and support |
| 17:53.12 | JefferyM | bzbb == about the software, social == about the players |
| 17:53.18 | JefferyM | and registration has to do with the software |
| 17:53.50 | temporalD | the sourceforge forum is not used for strictly developer discussion? |
| 17:54.07 | JefferyM | I just want something a bit more freeform for players, but that won't affect the project stuff. |
| 17:54.10 | JefferyM | the what? ;) |
| 17:54.21 | JefferyM | we don't use SF |
| 17:54.31 | JefferyM | developer discussion mostly happens here |
| 17:54.33 | temporalD | heh - ok - for some reason I though there was |
| 17:54.38 | JefferyM | there is, we never use it |
| 17:54.43 | JefferyM | there's a mainling list too |
| 17:54.51 | JefferyM | mailing, shesh |
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| 17:55.27 | JefferyM | the forums are less about development, but more about players using the software. I'd keep the map sections, and the server stuff |
| 17:55.48 | JefferyM | but I'd move leauge and player fourms out to the social site, since they are only about player/player interactions. |
| 17:56.14 | temporalD | if there were more prominent links to some of the user created forums, they'd move more fluffy stuff to there |
| 17:56.17 | JefferyM | then leagues/teams, etc.. could all make groups for whatever they need. |
| 17:56.32 | JefferyM | yeah I want the links to be very prominent |
| 17:56.48 | temporalD | like the forum links are now i guess |
| 17:57.00 | temporalD | s/forum/league |
| 17:57.00 | JefferyM | I also don't want them to have to re-register |
| 17:57.27 | JefferyM | yeah the final goal would be for leauge specific plugins to be made for the social site |
| 17:57.39 | JefferyM | so a "group" in the social site could be a league |
| 17:58.02 | JefferyM | that'd give them there own discussions, posts, info etc.. |
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| 17:58.35 | JefferyM | if the system could do groups of groups, it woudl be even better, first group is your team, then group tha team into the league, etc.. |
| 17:59.00 | JefferyM | then have reporting and stats push data into the various groups/teams/players and it's all good |
| 17:59.20 | temporalD | almost all maintained by themselves |
| 17:59.25 | JefferyM | yeah almost |
| 17:59.38 | temporalD | their own mods |
| 17:59.38 | JefferyM | new leagues would just make a new league group |
| 18:00.01 | JefferyM | yeah I think it would make a lot of leagues happier |
| 18:00.11 | JefferyM | they would be mods of there own stuff |
| 18:00.32 | JefferyM | with out us having to do anything, or open up anything on the main forums. |
| 18:01.11 | BulletCatcher | Thinking long-term, it might be nice to have a naming scheme that would allow easy migration to a different social software system. That leads to something like elgg.bzflag.bz, but that is more confusing to unsophisticated end users. |
| 18:01.12 | JefferyM | I'd still make a group of site moderators from the community, to enforce some basic rules ( cursing b00bies, etc..) |
| 18:10.53 | JefferyM | or I could just be overly ambitious and insane |
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| 18:59.24 | JefferyM | yeah the more I read I think doing drupal with a bunch of plugins will be the way to go. The Organic Groups module will let users make groups, and even let leauge's make 'sub groups' for teams. |
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| 22:12.54 | TimRiker | JefferyM, brlcad: "Your phpBB installation is not up to date." |
| 22:13.00 | JefferyM | cooleo |
| 22:14.04 | JefferyM | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.20 | JefferyM | dosnt' seem like it's a huge list of changes |
| 22:15.33 | JefferyM | 7 things |
| 22:17.20 | JefferyM | TimRiker, you split up .org and .net yet? :) |
| 22:17.33 | TimRiker | I just didn't know if that's saying the updates are partially installed, or just a notification that there is an update available. |
| 22:17.44 | JefferyM | I'd like to get social.bzflag.net once brlcad gets me a vhost |
| 22:17.58 | JefferyM | it looks like a notification that a new version is available |
| 22:18.03 | TimRiker | JefferyM: no. :( I wish there was an "if/then" for zonefiles so I could put them all in one text file. :( |
| 22:18.24 | JefferyM | patch it up :) |
| 22:18.59 | TimRiker | heh. yeah. I'll probably just make a script that uncomments some comment pattern after I edit the master. |
| 22:25.42 | TimRiker | league is a .org? |
| 22:34.34 | TimRiker | red, ub and dub are all still listed as bzflag.org in the list. |
| 22:34.56 | TimRiker | s/red/rad/ |
| 22:36.28 | TimRiker | oh. brad... /me hits head |
| 22:39.10 | brad | :'( |
| 22:39.17 | brad | butchering my name |
| 22:39.37 | JefferyM | yeah they need to be moved to .net too |
| 22:39.46 | JefferyM | but all the owners were notified LONG ago |
| 22:41.47 | JefferyM | we probably should see how many of those league sites are active too. |
| 22:44.20 | TimRiker | ~nslookup links.bzflag.net |
| 22:44.24 | TimRiker | ~nslookup links.bzflag.org |
| 22:44.29 | TimRiker | ~nslookup links.bzflag.com |
| 22:45.00 | TimRiker | I left brad and dub as they are still using .b.o at present. |
| 22:45.12 | TimRiker | holler when they are moved. :) |
| 22:45.16 | JefferyM | ok |
| 22:45.19 | brad | doing now |
| 22:45.23 | TimRiker | :) |
| 22:45.36 | JefferyM | brad, do you know how to contact dub? |
| 22:45.53 | brad | pimpi or catay can do it |
| 22:46.00 | brad | pimpi being the owner |
| 22:46.10 | brad | think menotume also has access |
| 22:46.27 | JefferyM | Pimpinella, catay, can you guys change your dns to from .org to .net please? |
| 22:46.36 | JefferyM | that's part of ducati right? |
| 22:46.41 | brad | yeah. |
| 22:46.48 | JefferyM | I'll post in there forum too |
| 22:46.49 | JefferyM | thanks |
| 22:47.51 | brlcad | ~nslookup social.bzflag.bz |
| 22:48.01 | brad | mine's moved to .net |
| 22:48.21 | JefferyM | TimRiker, can you make social.bzflag.net and point it to 66.111.42.111 |
| 22:48.22 | brlcad | web server is not yet set up to respond, but the name is in place |
| 22:48.25 | JefferyM | thanks brlcad :) |
| 22:48.44 | JefferyM | brlcad, you know some people who work on drupal right? |
| 22:48.55 | TimRiker | JefferyM: sure. send me an email so I can log the email. :) |
| 22:48.55 | brlcad | a couple folks |
| 22:48.58 | JefferyM | k |
| 22:49.16 | TimRiker | want it to point to the IP or a cname to the other? |
| 22:49.20 | JefferyM | k, I'll go for that as the first shot solution |
| 22:49.25 | JefferyM | TimRiker, cname please |
| 22:54.31 | catay | i'll remind Pimpinella to it in case he forgets |
| 22:54.42 | TimRiker | ok ~nslookup social.bzflag.net |
| 22:54.47 | JefferyM | catay, thanks |
| 22:54.48 | catay | Technially i can do it but it's his server and i rather check first with him |
| 22:54.49 | TimRiker | ~nslookup social.bzflag.net |
| 22:55.03 | JefferyM | catay, I'm posting in our admin forum too |
| 22:55.14 | catay | ok |
| 22:55.42 | JefferyM | sorry your admin forum, not our :) |
| 22:56.13 | JefferyM | brlcad, does the new server have a copy of the phpbb database? |
| 22:56.53 | catay | i think it are mainly the ducati/pillbox servers , 1vs1 servers uses pimpi.org on the list |
| 22:57.14 | JefferyM | well bzflag.net points to the same place, so it should jsut be a change to the configs |
| 22:57.24 | brlcad | the db files themselves are there, and should be synced nightly, but I've not verified lately and the daemon isn't kept running |
| 22:57.36 | brlcad | working on it |
| 22:57.43 | JefferyM | ok, then that should be good enough for the first tests |
| 22:58.08 | JefferyM | there is a plugin to get drupal to auth against phpbb, so even old dbs will be fine |
| 22:58.25 | JefferyM | of course it'd be moved over to LDAP later |
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