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| 03:50.34 | JeffM2501 | Bambino, please don't lie to gullable children. |
| 03:51.04 | Bambino | JeffM2501: did he really say the milk and cookies thing? |
| 03:51.11 | Bambino | sorry... |
| 03:51.19 | JeffM2501 | he's a kid, what did you expect? |
| 03:51.39 | Bambino | Well I thought it was a very see-through lie |
| 03:52.00 | JeffM2501 | there is no tone in text ;) |
| 03:53.22 | JeffM2501 | goes back to page 5 of the grand spec |
| 03:53.46 | Bambino | sorry he bothered you ;) |
| 03:54.26 | JeffM2501 | it's no biggie :) |
| 03:54.41 | JeffM2501 | just be a little more careful around people you know are very young |
| 03:55.02 | JeffM2501 | did tim get you a domain? |
| 03:55.04 | Bambino | I'll add </sarcasm> at the end of it |
| 03:55.14 | Bambino | yes he did, quite quickly :) |
| 03:55.19 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 03:55.25 | Bambino | only took about 20 min |
| 03:55.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah he checks his email a lot more then IRC |
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| 19:36.22 | JefferyM | can a mac .app contain just some kind of shell script that calls another app? |
| 19:46.13 | temporalD | JefferyM: ianap, but it's my understanding that the app bundle is seen as a dir by the OS - and can contain anything |
| 19:46.35 | JefferyM | it is |
| 19:46.47 | JefferyM | but can you make the default "thing" it does when double clicked be run a script |
| 19:47.13 | JefferyM | as in I have a mono application, can I bundle that into a .app in a way where double clicking on it fires off mono with that app |
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| 20:09.21 | blast007 | JefferyM: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/751599/possible-to-include-mono-runtimes-in-osx-app-bundle |
| 20:09.56 | JefferyM | cool, so this should work |
| 20:10.09 | JefferyM | mac app is gonna be HUGE but hey it'll work |
| 20:13.09 | JefferyM | going to have a platform specific download for each OS that is just a little launcher that goes and gets the current version of the app |
| 20:13.15 | JefferyM | then each time you run it checks for updates |
| 20:13.23 | JefferyM | should make inital download very small |
| 20:13.47 | blast007 | nice |
| 20:14.12 | JefferyM | and if the mac .app can have the mono framework in it even better |
| 20:18.24 | blast007 | JefferyM: how do you like google code? |
| 20:18.31 | JefferyM | it's very nice |
| 20:18.33 | JefferyM | and super simple |
| 20:18.46 | JefferyM | I don't use the tracking stuff, but from when I looked at it looked functional |
| 20:18.57 | blast007 | :) |
| 20:18.58 | JefferyM | and CIA integration is cake |
| 20:19.09 | blast007 | now I just need to pick a name for my project |
| 20:19.14 | JefferyM | whatcha makin? |
| 20:19.27 | blast007 | an MVC-ish PHP5 framework |
| 20:19.36 | JefferyM | fun |
| 20:19.48 | blast007 | yeah - I didn't like any of the other ones ;) |
| 20:19.53 | JefferyM | if you want CIA integration all you do is throw http://cia.vc/deliver/simplejson/ into the post commit URL |
| 20:20.04 | blast007 | they either were too restricting for what I wanted, or they ate memory |
| 20:20.10 | JefferyM | heh |
| 20:20.21 | blast007 | a hello world example should not consume 3MB |
| 20:20.22 | JefferyM | call it mvcish |
| 20:20.23 | blast007 | :) |
| 20:20.27 | blast007 | hah |
| 20:20.42 | JefferyM | or just "ish" |
| 20:22.12 | blast007 | going to toy around with Mercurial a bit as well and see if I want to use that instead of Subversion |
| 20:22.45 | blast007 | with a framework, I could see a higher possibility that someone would want to fork it |
| 20:23.08 | JefferyM | indeed |
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| 20:31.07 | Runic_ | I have another commit ready for bzwb, it requires libcurl as a dependency |
| 20:31.44 | JefferyM | makes sense |
| 20:33.09 | Runic_ | I have not updated the VC Project or build files, just wanted send up a warning before commiting |
| 20:33.29 | JefferyM | then how did you build it? |
| 20:33.38 | JefferyM | you should update the build system you use |
| 20:33.53 | JefferyM | then at least there is an example for the other platforms |
| 20:34.01 | Runic_ | i have an xcode project for building as a universal app |
| 20:34.09 | JefferyM | then commit that :) |
| 20:34.13 | Runic_ | the build files would need alot change to do that |
| 20:34.33 | Runic_ | I need to look it over more to make sure it ok first |
| 20:34.46 | Runic_ | the xcode project file that is |
| 20:34.47 | JefferyM | if it worked for you that should be good enough :) |
| 20:34.57 | JefferyM | if you have to tweak it later, so be it |
| 20:35.01 | JefferyM | commit early commit often |
| 20:35.15 | Runic_ | lol, I will b ut all that need done in the build files is add -lcurl |
| 20:35.23 | JefferyM | dosn't matter |
| 20:35.28 | Runic_ | to get it to build natively |
| 20:35.33 | JefferyM | still commit what you have |
| 20:35.41 | JefferyM | no reason not to |
| 20:36.04 | Runic_ | there is anopther pice of code it requires that I don't feel is ready |
| 20:36.17 | JefferyM | this isn' school, you won't be judged on it |
| 20:36.23 | JefferyM | if it works for you, throw it in there |
| 20:36.35 | JefferyM | the worst code in open source is that what noone else can see |
| 20:37.16 | Runic_ | i commit it later once I work on the piece so more |
| 20:37.17 | JefferyM | it's dev code it dosn't have to be perfect, specialy in a new component |
| 20:37.23 | JefferyM | chicken :) |
| 20:37.28 | Runic_ | I'm picky |
| 20:37.36 | JefferyM | I'd wait to commit your curl patch then |
| 20:37.48 | JefferyM | commiting code with NO way to test it is not good |
| 20:37.55 | JefferyM | do it all at the same time |
| 20:37.58 | Runic_ | ok, not a big deal |
| 20:38.14 | Runic_ | one has nothi8ng to do with the other |
| 20:38.23 | JefferyM | it bugs me when people hold on to code bevause it's N"not ready" |
| 20:38.39 | JefferyM | brlcad does that with the dmg scrips |
| 20:39.00 | Runic_ | does what with a dmg, that just a disk image? |
| 20:39.21 | JefferyM | I mean worst thing that can happen if you commit it is.. other people will help you fix it ;) |
| 20:39.25 | JefferyM | he has scripts that make the dmg |
| 20:39.27 | Runic_ | oh hold them for himselve |
| 20:39.37 | JefferyM | yeah he hasn't commited those scripts |
| 20:39.49 | Runic_ | I will commit the xcode project when I feel it is ready |
| 20:39.52 | JefferyM | so it's effectivly "mystic sorcery" how the DMGs used to be build |
| 20:40.09 | Runic_ | it not that hard to make a disk image |
| 20:40.20 | JefferyM | no it's not, but he had it layed out a specific way |
| 20:40.27 | JefferyM | to make releases seem consitent |
| 20:40.38 | Runic_ | added graphic |
| 20:40.52 | JefferyM | and also he packed up the frameworks in the .app in a specific way to make it work on a larger range of systems. |
| 20:41.01 | blast007 | if we could eventually get rid of the Eclipse build system in BZWB and make it work like the regular bzflag build system, I think that would be better :) |
| 20:41.07 | JefferyM | but still he HAD a tool, that nobody else had |
| 20:41.22 | Runic_ | that part of building not the dmg |
| 20:41.25 | JefferyM | you have a tool that nobody else can evne look at |
| 20:41.36 | JefferyM | so it's efectevly useless |
| 20:41.55 | Runic_ | setting up a xcode project is not that hard either |
| 20:42.09 | JefferyM | true, but each developer should not have to do it, if one has already done it ;) |
| 20:42.13 | delusional | watches with interest |
| 20:42.20 | JefferyM | I coudl say "writing network code is not that hard" :) |
| 20:42.39 | Runic_ | like I said as soon as I make the time to make sure it go to go, I will |
| 20:42.45 | JefferyM | if you are going to poke at it and commit it soon that's fine :) |
| 20:42.47 | JefferyM | I know |
| 20:42.49 | JefferyM | no biggie |
| 20:43.08 | JefferyM | it's just a pet peve |
| 20:43.23 | JefferyM | SOC students seemed to LOVE to hold onto code for some reason |
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| 20:44.30 | blast007 | JefferyM: probably cuz they're used to do that for school work. hold onto the code until everything is done, and then turn it in for grading. ;) |
| 20:44.34 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 20:44.48 | JefferyM | or they are used to submiting patches |
| 20:45.00 | JefferyM | both of those methods lead to hermitism |
| 20:45.42 | blast007 | and then switch to git! |
| 20:45.42 | Runic_ | me commiting the xcode project is not going to help everyone compile bzwb, as they will need to compile fltk and osg as a univeral libs and frameworks still |
| 20:46.15 | JefferyM | Runic_, nope, but as good practice it gives the other developers a place to look to see what you did |
| 20:46.18 | JefferyM | it's just good practice |
| 20:46.26 | JefferyM | I agree in this case the changes are very simple |
| 20:46.48 | Runic_ | it will work with none univerals libs but the xcode project would need so changes to just build native |
| 20:46.56 | JefferyM | the world will not end if you do not do it it. I just think you should :) |
| 20:47.34 | Runic_ | I had alllready planned to, just have gotten around to it |
| 20:47.45 | JefferyM | fair nuf |
| 20:48.20 | Runic_ | to many bugs to play with in the code |
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