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| 00:24.35 | jomojo | a little help here.. something just went haywire with silvercat rotation |
| 00:24.42 | jomojo | Master server configuration retrieved... |
| 00:24.42 | jomojo | Master configuration built... |
| 00:24.42 | jomojo | Master configuration file written... |
| 00:24.42 | jomojo | Found node: Overlord... |
| 00:24.43 | jomojo | Node configuration built... |
| 00:24.43 | jomojo | Node configuration file written... |
| 00:24.44 | jomojo | Found node: Babel... |
| 00:24.44 | jomojo | Node configuration built... |
| 00:24.44 | jomojo | Node configuration file written... |
| 00:24.45 | jomojo | Starting keepalive loop... |
| 00:24.45 | jomojo | Server could not be started. |
| 00:24.45 | jomojo | ---------- |
| 00:24.46 | jomojo | require UDP clients! |
| 00:24.46 | jomojo | using userDB file "userdb.txt" |
| 00:24.47 | jomojo | using group file "groupdb.txt" |
| 00:24.47 | jomojo | bad argument "fairserve.bzflag.net:5154" |
| 00:24.48 | JefferyM | dude |
| 00:24.50 | JefferyM | pastebin |
| 00:25.00 | jomojo | oops sorry |
| 00:25.04 | blast007 | also, that tells us nothing |
| 00:25.13 | jomojo | yeah me either |
| 00:25.20 | JefferyM | why are you using a userdb? |
| 00:25.26 | blast007 | posting the config (minus the password) would be more useful |
| 00:25.38 | JefferyM | you have a bad arg, whatever line has the server name |
| 00:25.59 | jomojo | its' constitutions set up |
| 00:26.06 | jomojo | its not what i have ever used |
| 00:26.13 | mrapplecomputer1 | jomojo: is it from the web interface |
| 00:26.15 | JefferyM | I'd ask him them |
| 00:26.25 | JefferyM | usualy you don't need a userdb |
| 00:26.44 | blast007 | jomojo: do you have access to the config file? |
| 00:26.47 | jomojo | yeah |
| 00:27.00 | blast007 | check what's before "fairserve.bzflag.net:5154" in it |
| 00:28.36 | jomojo | yeah i think i got it sorry for bothering you.. thanks |
| 00:28.41 | blast007 | k |
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| 01:07.22 | AAA_awright | Does this author list look correct for converting from SVN usernames, if anyone cares to glance over it? http://ospaste.com/137 |
| 01:08.31 | trepan | from SVN to ? |
| 01:09.06 | AAA_awright | Git, or any dvcs for that matter |
| 01:09.34 | JefferyM | why does it need a mapping? |
| 01:10.12 | blast007 | I see a duplicate for L4m3r |
| 01:10.15 | AAA_awright | You can use anything for the name and email fields, but it's customary to use your full name and email |
| 01:10.40 | JefferyM | where will this repo be stored? |
| 01:10.44 | AAA_awright | blast007: iirc because it's case sensitive |
| 01:10.58 | AAA_awright | L vs. l |
| 01:11.10 | blast007 | fun |
| 01:11.15 | JefferyM | I would not like my email address anywhere else please |
| 01:11.28 | AAA_awright | It's in the BZFlag authors file |
| 01:11.32 | DTRemenak | AAA_awright: kingrobot is Mathew Eis |
| 01:11.38 | JefferyM | I woudl not like it anywhere else please |
| 01:12.07 | AAA_awright | JefferyM: k, lemme see |
| 01:12.44 | DTRemenak | and epyon is "Kornel" not "ornel" :) |
| 01:18.49 | AAA_awright | JefferyM: Post expired, what would you suggest as an alternative? |
| 01:19.05 | AAA_awright | And it isn't available online otherwise |
| 01:19.10 | JefferyM | huh? |
| 01:19.22 | AAA_awright | For an email field entry |
| 01:19.29 | JefferyM | nothing |
| 01:19.46 | AAA_awright | Btw, it's no secret that you can append "@users.sourceforge.net" to your username and get a valid email :) |
| 01:19.51 | JefferyM | I know |
| 01:20.08 | JefferyM | it's just out there A LOT so I would not like to increase it's exposure |
| 01:20.28 | AAA_awright | Fair enough |
| 01:20.55 | JefferyM | and I'm noever going to use a GIT repositor for bzflag, nor care to have anyone who does use it contact me |
| 01:21.24 | a_meteorite | we use it, and people can clone our repos |
| 01:21.37 | a_meteorite | so it's kinda nice if they can see who did each commit just like our commits |
| 01:21.46 | a_meteorite | it's available in svn too ;) |
| 01:21.55 | a_meteorite | I think |
| 01:22.00 | AAA_awright | I don't think it's used as a contact mechanism so much as a uuid |
| 01:22.05 | JefferyM | again, I don't realy care about the get users |
| 01:22.12 | joevano | AAA_awright: why not just use git-svn like some of us... it works fine |
| 01:22.14 | a_meteorite | yeah, not really for contact |
| 01:22.15 | JefferyM | the give me a random number |
| 01:22.15 | blast007 | a_meteorite: in the author's file, probably |
| 01:22.21 | a_meteorite | just so you know who did what |
| 01:22.37 | a_meteorite | then no one knows 98361 is JeffM |
| 01:22.40 | AAA_awright | joevano: That's exactly what I'm doing |
| 01:22.49 | JefferyM | a_meteorite, so? |
| 01:23.05 | blast007 | AAA_awright: make me {6d0e500f-b4cc-4000-b6f2-934fa8612b85} |
| 01:23.10 | joevano | so why are you doing this mapping... it is not necessary |
| 01:23.11 | AAA_awright | a_meteorite: How about the SVN default, <username@SVN repo UUID) |
| 01:23.12 | a_meteorite | joevano: the migration to svn from cvs caused so complications to git, plus svn to git is hard enough |
| 01:23.14 | JefferyM | I don't want to be contacted by those people, so if they don't know who I am GREAT! |
| 01:23.25 | a_meteorite | JefferyM: don't answer them then |
| 01:23.30 | a_meteorite | AAA_awright: that's fugly |
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| 01:23.42 | JefferyM | a_meteorite, I am asking you to not identify me |
| 01:23.43 | AAA_awright | a_meteorite: It's globally unique :) |
| 01:23.44 | blast007 | how about name = name |
| 01:23.44 | JefferyM | that' is all |
| 01:23.46 | joevano | svn to git is one command and you are done |
| 01:24.04 | a_meteorite | joevano: AAA_awright is the git expert, so apparently it's not |
| 01:24.16 | AAA_awright | joevano: There is a lot of broken history in the SVN repo though, especially from the CVS import |
| 01:24.37 | AAA_awright | Unrecorded merges, reverts, bad parents |
| 01:24.44 | joevano | a_meteorite: i use it... and I am NO expert, I leave that to Thumper |
| 01:25.23 | JefferyM | I don't chare what it is, I'm just asking for it not to be my email |
| 01:25.24 | JefferyM | that's all |
| 01:25.34 | JefferyM | it's your repo you can put whatever the heck you want in it |
| 01:25.38 | joevano | stupid question... how important is that history |
| 01:25.47 | a_meteorite | important. |
| 01:25.53 | JefferyM | planing a fork? |
| 01:25.58 | AAA_awright | DTRemenak: Thanks |
| 01:26.03 | a_meteorite | nope. |
| 01:26.20 | blast007 | not a fork, a branch. |
| 01:26.21 | joevano | seems like a lot of work for historical info that is mostly informational at this point |
| 01:26.32 | a_meteorite | we'll keep our own customized version with our security patches and whatnot, but not a fork. upstream can pull changes, we don't care. |
| 01:26.43 | AAA_awright | Exactly, a branch :) |
| 01:26.44 | a_meteorite | joevano: history is important ;) |
| 01:26.56 | JefferyM | a_meteorite, we will never pull from yours, so it's a fork |
| 01:26.58 | AAA_awright | You can merge in changes from the... parent... repository |
| 01:27.03 | JefferyM | you will jsut resycnc a lot |
| 01:27.09 | a_meteorite | JefferyM: we're not calling it a fork, so it's not a fork. |
| 01:27.15 | JefferyM | a_meteorite, hah |
| 01:27.16 | AAA_awright | Actually there isn't much of a difference |
| 01:27.17 | a_meteorite | it's a branch. |
| 01:27.24 | JefferyM | ok if you say so |
| 01:27.58 | AAA_awright | A fork IS a branch, so really all that matters is wither you call it a fork or not :p |
| 01:28.51 | AAA_awright | joevano: History isn't terribly important, but I guess if you can clean it up, why not? |
| 01:28.52 | blast007 | what if I call it a fork? then is it a fork? |
| 01:29.07 | trepan | blast007: there is no spoon |
| 01:29.11 | blast007 | ;) |
| 01:29.14 | a_meteorite | I like sporks |
| 01:29.17 | AAA_awright | Haha |
| 01:29.23 | blast007 | trepan: so then it must be a fork, right? ;) |
| 01:29.30 | trepan | hell ya ;) |
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| 01:29.31 | a_meteorite | blast007: do you own it? ;) |
| 01:29.48 | a_meteorite | rather, not own, but are able to commit to our repo? |
| 01:29.51 | blast007 | a_meteorite: I see my name on it! |
| 01:29.58 | trepan | written more code in it than you? |
| 01:30.07 | joevano | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.13 | a_meteorite | maybe, we'll never know since I don't release all my code :P |
| 01:30.41 | blast007 | a_meteorite: well, you probably have more, but it's all the same thing written 30 times over ;) |
| 01:30.48 | a_meteorite | lol |
| 01:31.08 | trepan | a_meteorite: do you plan to release GPL'ed code without having the sources availabel? |
| 01:31.11 | trepan | *available |
| 01:31.33 | a_meteorite | trepan: I and BZFX do not violate licenses |
| 01:31.48 | JefferyM | today |
| 01:31.56 | a_meteorite | We never have and never will |
| 01:32.01 | JefferyM | anymore |
| 01:32.16 | a_meteorite | We are in full compliance with the terms of the LGPL and any other projects we use. |
| 01:32.27 | JefferyM | today |
| 01:32.29 | JefferyM | ;) |
| 01:32.29 | wwalker | I want to set up a private server for the kids in my son's cubscout den (mostly so they don't get slaughtered and so they don't get in chat conversations where they'll hear more about sex than they need to at 8 to 10. |
| 01:32.52 | a_meteorite | wwalker: OS? |
| 01:32.57 | JefferyM | wwalker over the interent or on a LAN? |
| 01:32.58 | wwalker | anyone got a recommendation for a bzfs options string? |
| 01:33.13 | a_meteorite | just simple bzfs will get a server going, admittedly a very bland one |
| 01:33.15 | blast007 | wwalker: you would only need minimal settings |
| 01:33.16 | wwalker | I'll run in on my internet server (linux) |
| 01:33.30 | JefferyM | wwalker, don't make it public, that's about all the "private" that we have |
| 01:33.33 | a_meteorite | bzfs -j +r -ms 5, for instance will do a random map with jumping, rico, and 5 shots |
| 01:33.43 | a_meteorite | just read the man page or do bzfs -help |
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| 01:33.56 | wwalker | 5 shots, OK. |
| 01:34.42 | blast007 | you could also tweak the shortcuts to the game client to include -nolist |
| 01:34.49 | wwalker | thanks, I've read a lot of the man page, but don't play enough to know what to turn on |
| 01:34.53 | blast007 | then they can't access the list of public servers |
| 01:35.01 | wwalker | blast007: thanks |
| 01:35.52 | AAA_awright | trepan: Simply hosting a server with modified code isn't enough to need to release sources, if that's what you mean |
| 01:36.03 | wwalker | is there an option for "robots" |
| 01:36.08 | trepan | AAA_awright: not what i mean |
| 01:36.10 | JefferyM | wwalker, not on the server |
| 01:36.21 | JefferyM | robots are run by clients |
| 01:37.25 | JefferyM | the most a server can do is allow or disallow them |
| 01:38.34 | wwalker | JefferyM: explains why I can't find it in the bzfs manpage :) |
| 01:39.03 | blast007 | the -solo option for the client will start up some basic bots when that client joins the server |
| 01:39.12 | blast007 | -solo 3, for example, adds 3 bots |
| 01:39.36 | blast007 | the solo bots can't jump, but they are quite deadly for new players that tend to jump a lot ;) |
| 01:48.12 | wwalker | blast007: thanks |
| 01:48.36 | blast007 | other option is running multiple clients and having some of them be 'autopilot' |
| 01:48.50 | blast007 | which involves joining the map, spawning, and then pressing the '9' key, I believe |
| 01:49.03 | blast007 | client can then be minimized, and another one started |
| 01:49.15 | blast007 | autopilot bots can jump, but don't aim as well |
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| 01:49.47 | AAA_awright | Hmm, that's right isn't it, I thought they were the same engine? |
| 01:50.17 | blast007 | nope |
| 01:50.20 | blast007 | completely different |
| 01:52.16 | JefferyM | yeah solo bot is old |
| 01:52.21 | JefferyM | roger is a lot newer |
| 01:52.27 | JefferyM | that's why he's smarter :) |
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| 05:01.22 | JeffM | mmmmm... new webserver smell :) |
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| 05:31.06 | KingRobot | So if you guys had to say.... what are the top 10 things that need to be fixed in 2.99 before a release? |
| 05:32.22 | BulletCatcher | There are more than 10 things, unfortunately. |
| 05:32.32 | BulletCatcher | The BUGS file has a pretty good list. |
| 05:33.16 | KingRobot | Yeah, I fully understand that... |
| 05:34.21 | KingRobot | What items in there would be the most important to take a look at? |
| 05:34.25 | BulletCatcher | The problem that seems to be hardest to fix is the lag/jitter that is much higher than 2.0.x. |
| 05:35.19 | BulletCatcher | That is a serious regression that few players will tolerate. |
| 05:35.34 | KingRobot | In practice or in appearance? (i.e. it's not a side-effect of the DR, is it?) |
| 05:36.01 | BulletCatcher | We have tried to answer that question, but have failed. |
| 05:36.11 | blast007 | there's something funky with the network code - some stuff will get processed in bzfs in the wrong order |
| 05:36.19 | BulletCatcher | It is almost certainly due to the new DR code. |
| 05:36.35 | blast007 | (possibly unrelated to the lag/jitter problem that BulletCatcher mentioned) |
| 05:37.06 | blast007 | but basically on public servers, the message containing the motto gets processed before the message adding the player |
| 05:37.23 | blast007 | on server that don't use the list, however, it gets processed in the correct order |
| 05:42.31 | BulletCatcher | As I see it, almost everything mentioned in BUGS needs to be fixed before we can release 3.0. |
| 05:45.47 | KingRobot | Do these network issues happen on local (relative to the client) servers, or only remote ones? |
| 05:46.24 | BulletCatcher | The lag problem occurs even on the loopback interface. |
| 05:48.07 | KingRobot | Fascinating... I've seen that before then. |
| 05:50.33 | BulletCatcher | Our goal should be to get lag numbers in 3.0 at least as low as in 2.0 for the same network conditions. Right now we are nowhere near that. |
| 05:52.41 | blast007 | wondering if the problem I mentioned could be partially to blame for that |
| 05:53.07 | KingRobot | Hard to say.... |
| 05:53.11 | blast007 | say, if player updates sent close together were getting processed in the wrong order |
| 05:53.15 | blast007 | yeah |
| 05:53.19 | KingRobot | Yeah, I was thinking that |
| 05:57.10 | KingRobot | Also, if some packets are being sent / received wrong, causing them to be out-of-sync. |
| 05:57.22 | KingRobot | (Since some number of packets might not be received) |
| 05:57.29 | KingRobot | (Being invalid) |
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| 06:08.44 | blast007 | yeah |
| 06:13.11 | JeffM | there is a checklist on the wiki for V3 release stuff |
| 06:20.33 | KingRobot | where? |
| 06:21.16 | JeffM | linked from the v3 release page |
| 06:21.42 | JeffM | player updates have an ID, and out of order ones are thrown out |
| 06:31.37 | KingRobot | That would still explain the behaviour (I've seen at least)... the tank isn't so much jumping around as it is jumping forward then seeming to halt, then jumping forward. |
| 07:24.25 | JeffM | that would happen in 2.0.x with packetloss as well then |
| 07:24.37 | JeffM | but feel free to look |
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| 17:17.43 | JefferyM | joevano, thankfully it's only like 5 sites :) |
| 17:17.50 | JefferyM | and a couple game servers |
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| 17:32.01 | joevano | ;-) |
| 17:33.52 | JefferyM | is there a way to see if the CPU has hyperthreading enabled? |
| 17:33.58 | JefferyM | cus it says it has 4 cores |
| 17:36.10 | blast007 | 'dmidecode -t processor' might show it |
| 17:36.30 | blast007 | I've never had a HT CPU to know :) |
| 17:37.24 | JefferyM | yeah has "htt" in the list |
| 17:37.29 | blast007 | k |
| 17:37.30 | TheRedBaron | JefferyM: which CPU do you have ? |
| 17:37.50 | JefferyM | xeon 3.2 |
| 17:37.50 | TheRedBaron | is praying its a nehalem, and not a p4. |
| 17:37.53 | JefferyM | 2 of them |
| 17:38.07 | JefferyM | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:38.53 | blast007 | TheRedBaron: it's gonna be P4-based :P |
| 17:39.16 | JefferyM | it's gotta be better then the 2 gig p4 we had before |
| 17:39.24 | blast007 | definately |
| 17:39.46 | blast007 | probably got a *bit* more L2 cache on the xeons too ;) |
| 17:40.52 | JefferyM | just a tad |
| 17:41.05 | JefferyM | I also like the move from ddr to ddr2 |
| 17:41.39 | JefferyM | and we have a single giant voluem instead of a big home dir |
| 17:42.11 | JefferyM | is there a way to get system uptime in php? |
| 17:44.28 | TheRedBaron | blast007: sorry to hear that :) |
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| 18:05.42 | blast007 | JefferyM: yeah |
| 18:05.46 | blast007 | let me check how I do it |
| 18:05.51 | JefferyM | I think I foudn it |
| 18:05.54 | JefferyM | http://www.4webhelp.net/scripts/php/uptime.php |
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| 18:07.37 | blast007 | JefferyM: might is better: http://static.bzexcess.com/class.sys_info.phps |
| 18:07.43 | blast007 | ;) |
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| 18:08.02 | blast007 | can't recall where I found mine initially |
| 18:08.57 | JefferyM | overkill much? |
| 18:09.38 | blast007 | yes |
| 18:09.47 | JefferyM | yay, http://207.150.180.66/ |
| 18:09.47 | blast007 | it's for my IRC bot :P |
| 18:10.19 | blast007 | so I can make it say things like "2 x GenuineIntel Intel(R) 2995.152MHz (5994.31 bogomips) w/ 2048 KB cache" |
| 18:12.09 | blast007 | oh, and I might have added the 'get_memoryinfo' there, since it looks like I the comment still references /proc/cpuinfo (copypasta fail) |
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| 19:15.01 | JefferyM | belives apache to be evil |
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| 19:29.08 | joevano | JefferyM: I have been using Nginx instead of apache lately |
| 19:29.46 | JefferyM | it work with php? |
| 19:29.56 | joevano | been using it to host internal ruby apps and have found it pretty easy to work with |
| 19:29.58 | JefferyM | thinks he may have fixed his vhost issues |
| 19:30.07 | joevano | haven't used it with php |
| 19:30.46 | joevano | JefferyM: yep http://www.softwareprojects.com/resources/programming/t-installing-nginx-web-server-w-php-and-ssl-1474.html |
| 19:31.03 | JefferyM | fun |
| 19:31.23 | JefferyM | may be something to look into, tho I'm not keen on changing servers AND migrating at the same time |
| 19:31.57 | joevano | yeah I wouldn't reccomend that, but I started with it in a test env and I liked it |
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| 21:06.10 | thefirstdude | I am only going to ask once, can I add a flag or something to compile bzflag on linux for windows like -mwindows |
| 21:07.16 | ruskie | I think there's mingw available on linux that would allow you to compile it |
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| 21:34.19 | Gabe_G23 | rejoin spam? |
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| 22:26.22 | brad | ~bzflist |
| 22:26.59 | brad | webserver seems to be completely down atm |
| 22:30.58 | brad | nvm |
| 22:31.02 | brad | ~bzflist |
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| 22:38.57 | brlcad | it does a quick automatic reset if it detects malicious activity |
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| 22:42.15 | brad | ah |
| 23:05.04 | Landon__ | The bzflist command is pretty awesome |
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