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| 00:27.01 | jomojo | okay i am having an issue. I cannot increase the shot size on radar with my client. probably because i just have a macbook with onboard graphics. To fix this will I have to do a custom build? |
| 00:27.27 | blast007 | seem to recall it was a problem with having some other option on |
| 00:27.40 | blast007 | let me see if I can find that in my logs |
| 00:27.53 | JefferyM | smoothing |
| 00:28.06 | jomojo | change from dithering to smoothing? |
| 00:28.13 | JefferyM | turn smothing off |
| 00:28.19 | JefferyM | IIRC |
| 00:28.38 | blast007 | yeah, that's what temoralD said as well |
| 00:28.45 | blast007 | just turn smoothing off |
| 00:29.14 | jomojo | thanks i will try |
| 00:31.20 | JefferyM | or get apple to provide a compilant GL implementation :) |
| 00:32.07 | jomojo | thanks guys it woked |
| 00:32.10 | jomojo | worked |
| 00:32.23 | jomojo | Jeffery M and blast007 |
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| 03:49.57 | Digital_Pioneer | How do I make BZF use OSS for audio? |
| 04:14.02 | jeffm | change your sdl to be the one bound to OSS |
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| 04:19.18 | JeffM | blast007: yeah you did burst to 1.5 nodes for a bit there. |
| 04:22.08 | JeffM | and yeah that thing is DAMN peppy |
| 04:38.14 | blast007 | Digital_Pioneer: did you see what I suggested the last time you asked that? |
| 04:38.41 | blast007 | JeffM: true, but it's not doing anything else |
| 04:38.50 | JeffM | yeah |
| 04:39.02 | blast007 | JeffM: when I set it up for 8 concurrent requests to the main wiki page, it dipped into swap |
| 04:39.07 | JeffM | tho I doubt we'd be slashdotted on more then one page at a time |
| 04:39.08 | blast007 | about 40MB into it |
| 04:39.24 | JeffM | 2 nodes would double the ram |
| 04:39.30 | blast007 | mediawiki is a hungry beast |
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| 05:49.11 | Digital_Pioneer | blast007: No. |
| 05:49.23 | blast007 | what OS are you on? |
| 05:49.32 | Digital_Pioneer | blast007: ArchLinux |
| 05:51.05 | blast007 | well, guess it won't be as simple as Ubuntu then |
| 05:51.32 | Digital_Pioneer | blast007: If you have an idea, let me know. I'm able to do most things pretty well. :) |
| 05:51.47 | Digital_Pioneer | And my SDL is set to use OSS. |
| 05:52.01 | blast007 | hmm |
| 05:52.02 | Digital_Pioneer | SDL_AUDIODRIVER=dsp |
| 05:52.35 | blast007 | might have to tweak it in the audio settings menu too |
| 05:52.46 | Digital_Pioneer | blast007: Yeah, but I don't know what to set it to. |
| 05:52.57 | Digital_Pioneer | I have to run, if anyone comes up with anything, please PM me. |
| 05:53.09 | Digital_Pioneer | Saves me having to track back up the logs. :) |
| 05:53.18 | Digital_Pioneer | GN all. |
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| 15:06.42 | WarPig | Q: Is /hostban case sensitive? |
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| 15:21.25 | brlcad | shouldn't be |
| 15:22.05 | Manu | agree |
| 15:22.25 | TheRedBaron | disagrees and demands a recount. |
| 15:22.45 | Manu | TheRedBaron: you have no quality vote ;) |
| 15:23.40 | TheRedBaron | is being repressed! |
| 15:24.00 | WarPig | I know it shouldn't be, but I think it is. Tried to hostban *red*.rima-tde.net when the actual hostname was 225.Red-79-159-172.staticIP.rima-tde.net . Didn't work. |
| 15:24.15 | Manu | WarPig: arg... a spanish host... |
| 15:24.26 | WarPig | Yes |
| 15:24.42 | Manu | WarPig: try *.rima-tde.net |
| 15:24.57 | Manu | or *.static...... |
| 15:25.14 | WarPig | Thats what I ended up using, but I was trying to minimise collateral damage. |
| 15:25.27 | Manu | that's like a IP |
| 15:26.03 | Manu | WarPig: 225.Red-79-159-172.staticIP.rima-tde.net is only one IP |
| 15:26.13 | Manu | so no need for hostban |
| 15:26.35 | WarPig | He was ban evading. Switching IPs |
| 15:26.42 | Manu | who is the player? |
| 15:26.57 | WarPig | 'poc' unregistered. |
| 15:28.23 | WarPig | Question is: Should 'red*.rima-tde.net' have worked given the actual hostname? |
| 15:28.27 | Manu | WarPig: changing IP day by day? |
| 15:28.54 | WarPig | Minute by minute. Ban him, he comes right back with a different IP. |
| 15:29.04 | Manu | WarPig: tde.net is Telefonica de España |
| 15:29.11 | Manu | one of the main ISP providers |
| 15:29.13 | WarPig | Could not rangeban because IPs were dissimilar. |
| 15:30.39 | Manu | WarPig: he uses staticIP.time-tde.net this is a net range smaller than DynamicIP.rima-tde.net |
| 15:30.55 | Manu | but it will affect to a lot of users |
| 15:31.05 | WarPig | he used Dynamic as well |
| 15:31.24 | Manu | it's Static, but it works like dynamic |
| 15:31.41 | Manu | because TDE sells it to other providers |
| 15:31.49 | WarPig | Ahh |
| 15:33.19 | Manu | you want a short ban? (for example only today) |
| 15:33.43 | WarPig | No. |
| 15:34.08 | WarPig | swigg, for example, gave him 6mos on bzexcess |
| 15:34.36 | Manu | bad |
| 15:35.15 | Manu | I remember that nick... I can try to talk him |
| 15:35.26 | WarPig | who? poc? |
| 15:35.30 | Manu | (but not now) :( |
| 15:35.31 | Manu | yes |
| 15:35.48 | WarPig | ok |
| 15:37.08 | WarPig | brlcad:02 01 Should /hostban 'red*.rima-tde.net' have worked given the actual hostname: 225.Red-79-159-172.staticIP.rima-tde.net ? |
| 15:37.57 | WarPig | correction: '01 /hostban '*red*.rima-tde.net' |
| 15:38.07 | Manu | WarPig: that's a really big ban :) |
| 15:38.17 | Manu | 80% of spain ;) |
| 15:39.05 | WarPig | Manu: I know. I just need to know if /hostban is case sensitive at the moment. |
| 15:39.47 | brlcad | with both asterisks, yes |
| 15:39.55 | WarPig | thanks |
| 15:40.27 | brlcad | if you wanted to tighten it up, [0-9][0-9][0-9].Red-*.staticIP.rima-tde.net |
| 15:40.55 | brlcad | assumes if we implemented asterisk globbing, that character sets were also implemented |
| 15:43.21 | WarPig | thanks brlcad. |
| 15:44.10 | brlcad | if it is case-sensitive, it's trivial to expand to insensitive yourself with character sets |
| 15:44.46 | brlcad | *[rR][eE][dD]*.[rR][iI][mM][aA].[nN][eE][tT] |
| 15:46.15 | WarPig | If the hostnames use different case combinations, that would be most useful! {filed away for future reference, thanks} :) |
| 15:46.55 | trepan | brlcad: are you sure that that works for hostban comparisons? |
| 15:47.27 | brlcad | trepan: not at all |
| 15:47.37 | brlcad | hence "assumes if we implemented asterisk globbing, that character sets were also implemented" |
| 15:47.44 | brlcad | it's a big assumption :) |
| 15:48.04 | trepan | indeed, it is, and likely an incorrect one |
| 15:48.05 | brlcad | heh, even assuming two asterisks work is a big assumption |
| 15:48.23 | brlcad | or that "." matches any char, etc |
| 15:48.38 | WarPig | FWIW: two asterisks did NOT seem to work in practice. |
| 15:48.39 | trepan | or in globbing land, ? for any char |
| 15:48.52 | brlcad | right |
| 15:49.41 | brlcad | WarPig: also the initial comment about sensitivity is that it "shouldn't be" .. whether it is or not.... |
| 15:51.32 | WarPig | I Agree; It shouldn't be, but now that I know it *might* not be, I will be case-careful when crafting hostbans in teh future. |
| 15:51.32 | BulletCatcher | The relevant code is in AccessControlList::does_match(), which supports only * as a wildcard charcter, and is case sensitive. |
| 15:53.52 | BulletCatcher | My coffee hasn't kicked in well enough to say whether or not multiple * characters will work. |
| 15:54.05 | WarPig | heh |
| 15:54.52 | BulletCatcher | But I think they will. |
| 15:56.20 | brlcad | huh, well that sucks :) |
| 15:56.54 | BulletCatcher | I blame the developers. ;-) |
| 15:57.46 | brlcad | especially considering we have globbing functions implemented |
| 15:57.56 | brlcad | someone didn't even look |
| 15:58.09 | brlcad | glob_match() |
| 15:58.46 | BulletCatcher | Host names are case-insensitive by definition, so there isn't much excuse for that either. |
| 15:59.26 | WarPig | Yes, that is why I was surprised that /hostban seemed to be case-sensitive. |
| 16:00.13 | brlcad | thinks both AccessControlList::does_match() should expand into case insensitive character sets fed to glob_match(), which should then convert the glob into a regular expression fed to reg_comp()/reg_exec() |
| 16:00.34 | brlcad | then allow full regex (via arg or somesuch) or default globbing |
| 16:01.09 | BulletCatcher | It is easy enough to make it case-insensitive if you are willing and able to recompile bzfs, WarPig. |
| 16:01.47 | BulletCatcher | But that won't help if it isn't your server. |
| 16:01.58 | WarPig | Not my server. |
| 16:02.17 | WarPig | I just needed to know why my hostban didn;t work. :P |
| 16:02.26 | BulletCatcher | Well, now you know. :-) |
| 16:03.42 | WarPig | sends waves of gratitude to the devs for admitting to their sucky /hostban implemntation. ;) |
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| 16:04.16 | WarPig | I know.. .I know... 'patches welcome' etc... |
| 16:04.20 | BulletCatcher | wishes that were the only sucky part |
| 16:04.58 | brlcad | :) |
| 16:05.04 | brlcad | there's plenty of suck to go around |
| 16:05.42 | brlcad | It's Mega Maid! |
| 16:05.51 | brlcad | She's gone from suck to blow. |
| 16:06.36 | WarPig | She defys the laws of physics in her ability to suck and blow simultaneously. |
| 16:09.35 | CBG | Surely the laws of physics would dictate that you can't suck and suck, or blow and blow. Sucking and blowing at the same time is very common. |
| 16:10.13 | WarPig | concedes the point. |
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| 16:57.39 | Darklust | hola dudez |
| 16:58.56 | remote | for shizzle |
| 16:59.24 | Darklust | penis |
| 16:59.37 | remote | watch your languagizle |
| 16:59.57 | Darklust | GO FUCK A DUCK NUKKKKA |
| 17:00.32 | remote | please refrain from using an excessive percentage of capitalized letters in your sentences |
| 17:00.58 | remote | Darklust? |
| 17:00.59 | Darklust | Please bit me, then die with your gay lover. |
| 17:01.13 | remote | be respectful of others |
| 17:01.52 | Darklust | shroomz man, be srespectful of ur drugz |
| 17:02.04 | Darklust | yas want a chew toy? |
| 17:02.36 | remote | i have had enough of you're anarchic behavior |
| 17:02.53 | remote | change your attitude |
| 17:02.55 | Darklust | learn english dude |
| 17:03.03 | remote | i'm trying |
| 17:03.19 | Darklust | go die on a cock |
| 17:03.42 | Darklust | my friend wants to make sweet monkey love to your asshole |
| 17:03.46 | remote | stop fighting you will not win with me and change your attitude |
| 17:04.31 | Darklust | im not trying to win anything, stupid fuck, go to hell and die with a cock up your ass |
| 17:11.33 | blast007 | wee |
| 17:12.47 | blast007 | hehe, and he connected from school |
| 17:13.18 | blast007 | where their motto is "Restoring the Pride" |
| 17:14.35 | bryjen | if that's what was restored, the backup was corrupted |
| 17:15.02 | blast007 | ;) |
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| 17:22.02 | delusional | good one, bryjen.... blast007, I hate to bug ya, but is there any news on that plugin? |
| 17:22.54 | blast007 | nope |
| 17:26.47 | delusional | had to ask |
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| 17:36.33 | spldart | meh.. I missed the fun. heh |
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| 18:24.57 | brlcad | looks at unsucking the globbage |
| 18:28.41 | JeffM | blast007 and Constitution are setting up a copy of services on the vps just to see how it works out |
| 18:30.39 | brlcad | yeah, I noticed yesterday |
| 18:31.27 | brlcad | from what he was describing, it (presently) falls apart around 15 connections/sec? hopefully that can get up to 20 or 30 |
| 18:35.45 | JeffM | its' one node now I wanted him to get it all set up then I'll add a node to it for a day for testing |
| 18:36.05 | JeffM | I don't think a one noder will work for us but keeping a 2 node and bursting to more may be viable |
| 18:36.22 | JeffM | the other option would be to try services on my new machine :) |
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| 18:44.19 | blast007 | brlcad: wasn't 15 per second |
| 18:44.25 | blast007 | that was 15 concurrent |
| 18:45.01 | blast007 | and it only got slow cuz it ran out of memory ;) |
| 18:45.09 | blast007 | just a 256MB node |
| 18:46.05 | blast007 | when I did 6 concurrent, it was doing 10 successful page loads per second |
| 18:46.11 | blast007 | of the wiki main page |
| 18:46.53 | blast007 | 8 concurrent dipped around 40MB into swap and dropped to 9.5 page loads per second |
| 18:47.12 | JeffM | the big test would be to compare it to the load performance of .bz when its' on a dual node |
| 18:47.34 | blast007 | gonna be hard to do a real test though |
| 18:47.39 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:47.46 | JeffM | need them to come from all over |
| 18:48.12 | blast007 | starts up 380 servers and 200 clients |
| 18:48.18 | JeffM | heh |
| 18:48.28 | WarPig | use tor? |
| 18:48.46 | blast007 | wouldn't need to come from various locations |
| 18:48.52 | JeffM | yeah just all the various hits |
| 18:49.17 | JeffM | to do a real test you'd want them to do real auths too |
| 18:49.25 | blast007 | yeah |
| 18:49.26 | JeffM | to see what the db hit does |
| 18:50.28 | blast007 | well, the wiki must not get a whole lot of traffic, or even .bz would have trouble :P |
| 18:50.37 | JeffM | heh |
| 18:50.38 | blast007 | well ... *more* trouble |
| 18:50.44 | JeffM | yeah it's probably the least used thing |
| 18:51.12 | blast007 | mediawiki's PHP eats up around 18MB per page view |
| 18:51.18 | JeffM | good lord |
| 18:51.23 | blast007 | and that's not including apache |
| 18:51.45 | blast007 | I thought phpBB was bad, but geez ... |
| 18:52.10 | JeffM | how bad is phpbb? |
| 18:52.40 | JeffM | and I'm curious if that 18 megs is for all media wikis or just ours |
| 18:52.51 | JeffM | how do you check? cus I have a couple on my site with little content |
| 18:54.41 | blast007 | JeffM: well, they have an ini_set in their default config that sets it to a 20MB limit :P |
| 18:55.02 | blast007 | http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Errors_and_Symptoms#Fatal_error:_Allowed_memory_size_of_nnnnnnn_bytes_exhausted_.28tried_to_allocate_nnnnnnnn_bytes.29 |
| 18:56.15 | JeffM | ahh the memory limit |
| 18:56.47 | JeffM | WTF! "If you have increased the RAM allocated to PHP to 512MB and *still* have the problem with the memory error, it is not likely a memory issue per-se." |
| 18:56.59 | JeffM | they think 512 is a VALID config for php? |
| 18:57.35 | blast007 | yeah :P |
| 18:58.02 | blast007 | maybe they only allow 2 instances of apache on each of their 96 servers |
| 20:06.28 | brlcad | JeffM: you're not going to get accurate load readings on .bz -- the old bsd kernel it runs tracks load poorly |
| 20:07.16 | brlcad | blast007: interesting memory usage, but then bz uses a ton too .. would be interesting to compare to a much bigger memory node if that's alimiting factor right now |
| 20:08.24 | brlcad | bz's is configured to use a proc per request because it's the fastest for that kernel (whereas on later kernels it'd be threading) keeping a pool alive |
| 20:09.42 | JeffM | brlcad: was mostly just wanting to see page load time, end user responce, etc.. |
| 20:09.58 | brlcad | right |
| 20:10.16 | brlcad | i think you missed the comment later last night |
| 20:10.24 | JeffM | possibly |
| 20:10.37 | JeffM | has been feeling less then awesome and misses many things |
| 20:10.46 | brlcad | here it is: "it's also worth noting that .org is live, handling about a dozen requests per second, all of which hit up the web server and database backend" |
| 20:11.07 | brlcad | so to compare end-user response time, should load it up similarly, then compare |
| 20:11.10 | JeffM | ahh yeah, that's what I'd like to see if we could replicate on the vps |
| 20:11.13 | JeffM | yeah |
| 20:11.16 | brlcad | otherwise you're testing a live sever vs unused |
| 20:11.27 | brlcad | and bz unused was pretty screaming back in the day too ;) |
| 20:11.34 | JeffM | how much ram is in the new machine? |
| 20:11.51 | brlcad | more than .bz but don't remember off the top of my head |
| 20:12.08 | JeffM | a gig was stock for a long while |
| 20:12.09 | brlcad | 1 or 2gb, trivial to make it 2gb if it's not |
| 20:12.13 | JeffM | when you got the machine |
| 20:12.16 | JeffM | yeah 2 gig is stock now |
| 20:12.22 | JeffM | .bz has 768 |
| 20:12.24 | brlcad | nods |
| 20:13.16 | brlcad | we've not really had memory problems until recently, and that's a misconfiguration .. irssi will consume any amount we make available eventually |
| 20:13.25 | brlcad | at least without fixing the problem |
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| 20:13.45 | JeffM | move her to the vps :) |
| 20:13.59 | brlcad | .bz wastes a lot of memory running that old kernel |
| 20:14.04 | JeffM | yeah |
| 20:14.17 | brlcad | the one-proc per connection I mentioned is a bit expensive |
| 20:14.29 | JeffM | bsd8 do better then? |
| 20:14.35 | brlcad | 10 concurrent connections and you're using about 400MB |
| 20:14.39 | brlcad | WAY better |
| 20:14.45 | JeffM | cool |
| 20:15.19 | brlcad | it's more an apache configuration issue, but you can't configure the lightweight method on the old kernel |
| 20:15.25 | brlcad | apache wigs out and dies |
| 20:15.31 | JeffM | heh |
| 20:15.40 | brlcad | some apache bug |
| 20:15.50 | JeffM | I still wonder what the "cloud optimized" setting meant for debian on the vps system |
| 20:16.45 | brlcad | TimRiker: nice picture at CES |
| 20:17.49 | brlcad | I imagine a beer with either of those guys would have been interesting |
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| 22:53.41 | brad | since when can you capture flags on other bases? |
| 22:54.02 | brad | on a 4 team ctf, green can capture blues flag on purple base |
| 22:54.10 | blast007 | last thursday - didn't you get the memo? |
| 22:54.14 | brad | heh |
| 22:54.16 | brad | apparently not |
| 22:54.19 | blast007 | ;) |
| 22:54.24 | a_meteorite | it's fun |
| 22:54.35 | blast007 | guess I don't play CTF enough to know that |
| 22:54.37 | brad | has it always been like that? |
| 22:54.45 | brad | I never play 4 team ctf really |
| 22:54.48 | blast007 | I knew if you took your own flag onto another team base it would cap |
| 22:54.55 | a_meteorite | I want to say no, but it has been at least for a long time |
| 22:55.02 | a_meteorite | but in my early days I did 2 team |
| 22:55.20 | brad | yeah blast, but not others capping yours :p |
| 22:55.46 | blast007 | shrugs |
| 22:56.01 | blast007 | this is why I'm normally a rogue :P don't have to worry about silly things like that |
| 22:56.14 | blast007 | just have to shoot anything that moves |
| 22:56.33 | brad | hmm |
| 22:56.36 | a_meteorite | spray 'n pray |
| 22:56.40 | brad | yet when I take red to green base, nothing happens |
| 22:56.44 | brad | seems a bit unfair :) |
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| 22:56.52 | brad | green can cap on 2 bases, blue only has their own |
| 22:56.55 | blast007 | a_meteorite: more like spray 'n try not to rico myself in the face |
| 22:57.35 | blast007 | brad: so it's inconsistent? |
| 22:57.57 | brad | seems to be, yes |
| 22:58.04 | blast007 | fun.. |
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