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| 00:35.00 | thefirstdude | <trepan> thefirstdude: no-one is, the code lies dormant for the most part |
| 00:35.08 | thefirstdude | trepan says no one is working on bz 3.0 |
| 00:35.32 | blast007 | s/ 3.0// for the most part |
| 00:35.40 | thefirstdude | lol |
| 00:35.41 | trepan | fwiw, that was said or quakenet IRC, on the #sy channel |
| 00:35.52 | thefirstdude | fwiw? |
| 00:35.58 | blast007 | for what it's worth |
| 00:36.10 | TylerM | must have been secret ;-) |
| 00:36.48 | thefirstdude | oh, that's what the gateway is for...on #taspring |
| 00:36.50 | trepan | no, it wasn't, but i'm not overly fond of being quoted by attention seeking children |
| 00:36.58 | thefirstdude | it connects freenode to quake |
| 00:37.16 | thefirstdude | I was under the impression that it was being worked on |
| 00:37.44 | trepan | no, it connects the spring forum #taspring channel to quakenet's #sy channel |
| 00:37.47 | blast007 | depends on your definition of "being worked on" |
| 00:37.59 | trepan | (Melbot that is) |
| 00:38.23 | thefirstdude | yeh, that's what I said but with more words |
| 00:38.43 | trepan | no, that's not what you said |
| 00:38.52 | trepan | freenode is not part of the equation |
| 00:39.03 | thefirstdude | #taspring is on freenode... |
| 00:39.28 | trepan | well look at that, i stand corrected |
| 00:39.36 | trepan | they haven't killed the freenode channel off |
| 00:39.56 | trepan | looks like MelBot is connecting to multiple IRC sources |
| 00:40.49 | thefirstdude | I didn't mean to make you get angry by quoting you...I am just anxious to see bz 3 |
| 00:43.05 | JeffM | thefirstdude: he's not wrong, little has happened in it in the past few months. |
| 00:52.24 | TylerM | whew ;) |
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| 01:55.07 | awilcox | is there a list of goals somewhere for bz3? |
| 01:55.19 | awilcox | it'd be much easier for people to work on it, imo, if there is a roadmap somewhere detailing what it is |
| 01:55.52 | awilcox | (this is especially sad because 3 years ago I was going to help with bz 3.0 but I got a job and crap. I return 3 years later and it _still_ isn't done :( ) |
| 01:55.53 | temporalD | there are TODO and a BUGS files in trunk |
| 01:56.27 | blast007 | roadmap? is that like a plan? ;) |
| 01:56.36 | blast007 | cuz we don't do any of that |
| 01:56.43 | awilcox | but between post-school classes and my job, I have enough C++ experience to work on it I think |
| 01:56.54 | awilcox | blast007, it is exactly like a plan! just a vague one :P |
| 02:00.48 | Erroneous | awilcox: as soon as the major bugs are fixed, we ship. that's the roadmap. |
| 02:01.11 | Erroneous | has been for a year+ |
| 02:04.17 | awilcox | Erroneous, hmm |
| 02:04.33 | awilcox | sounds like it's time for me to use my new(ish)-found maintenance programming skills on bz-trunk |
| 02:17.05 | awilcox | mmkay, already OS X is broke |
| 02:17.28 | awilcox | Process src/platform: ERROR: The file 'src/platform/MacOSX/BZFlag-info.plist" couldn't be opened because there is no such file. |
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| 02:18.26 | awilcox | I think the xcode project file may be out of date |
| 02:18.32 | awilcox | I guess I'll see |
| 02:21.41 | awilcox | o_o WARNING: Building for Intel with Mac OS X Development Target < 10.4 not supported. |
| 02:21.57 | awilcox | I have a feeling nobody working on trunk has a mac ;) |
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| 03:18.45 | SpazzyMcGee | awilcox: if you can successfully build on osx, let me know. It broke for me a couple of months back. |
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| 04:24.21 | awilcox | yay! |
| 04:24.23 | awilcox | I found a bug |
| 04:24.31 | a_meteorite | You love it when you find bugs? |
| 04:24.35 | a_meteorite | ;) |
| 04:28.45 | awilcox | a_meteorite, when they are ones I can potentially fix, yes |
| 04:29.01 | awilcox | a_meteorite, trying to build HEAD on 10.6, has some deprecated breakages |
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| 04:39.49 | awilcox | does MacDisplay use Cocoa or Carbon? it seems to use Carbon, but I'm just checking... |
| 05:06.40 | blast007 | awilcox: if the native stuff is broke, you could always use SDL - though you'll need to build SDL 1.3 from their SVN repo |
| 05:07.23 | blast007 | also, you're assuming that the people that build trunk are doing so with xcode ;) |
| 05:08.03 | blast007 | afaik, our xcode project is mostly a wrapper that runs the usual ./autogen.sh, ./configure, and make |
| 05:17.46 | jeffm | you are suposed to use SDL |
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| 05:24.12 | jeffm | just like the native X stuff we haven't pulled it, but we don't realy maintain it that much |
| 05:27.13 | trepan | fwiw, http://www.cameronwinningham.com/programming/sdl-1-2-13-with-mac-os-x-10-6/ |
| 05:27.56 | trepan | (don't know if the current mac build is forced to use the as yet unreleased SDL1.3) |
| 05:29.29 | jeffm | I don';t think it is |
| 05:29.44 | blast007 | iirc, it was just that 1.2.x wouldn't build |
| 06:09.34 | awilcox | blast007: true. it breaks even without XCode though :P |
| 06:10.05 | awilcox | I can't figure why it says ::kEventWindowUpdate is undefined |
| 06:22.40 | awilcox | I FOUND THE BUG :D |
| 06:22.53 | awilcox | kEventWindowUpdate is not support on 64-bit versions of the Carbon framework |
| 06:22.58 | awilcox | ^ that comment was buried deep |
| 06:23.16 | awilcox | /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.6.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Frameworks/HIToolbox.framework/Headers/CarbonEvent.h |
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| 06:25.57 | jeffm | build 32 bit |
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| 06:41.39 | noyb | can't get identified as a registered callsign. problems? |
| 06:43.11 | awilcox | noyb, log in to bzbb |
| 06:43.28 | noyb | k |
| 06:44.51 | noyb | hrm... |
| 06:45.08 | noyb | It was not possible to convert your password when updating this bulletin board?s software.... |
| 06:45.19 | noyb | maybe I fat-fingered the pw? |
| 06:45.34 | awilcox | noyb, no |
| 06:45.39 | awilcox | noyb, some symbols caused that |
| 06:45.44 | awilcox | you just need to change the pw |
| 06:46.04 | noyb | k |
| 06:46.14 | awilcox | you might even be able to reset it to the same pw it was before, not sure |
| 06:47.20 | jeffm | is your password rather short? |
| 06:47.51 | noyb | no |
| 06:48.10 | noyb | super long, w/ spaces and special chars. |
| 06:49.30 | jeffm | and you get an error when you log into bzbb? |
| 06:50.08 | noyb | bummer... I don't know the email addr associated with my account. I rarely (once or twice in 10 years) logged into the bz boards. |
| 06:50.31 | jeffm | make a new account |
| 06:50.32 | noyb | jeffm, yes. posted above. "It was not..." |
| 06:51.08 | noyb | will I lose my current account? I don't want to be anything else. |
| 06:51.21 | jeffm | what is your bzbbname? |
| 06:51.26 | noyb | blah |
| 06:52.01 | noyb | cool. |
| 06:52.06 | noyb | I found the right email addr. |
| 06:52.12 | noyb | awaiting email... |
| 06:53.41 | noyb | ok... got in. |
| 06:53.52 | noyb | is my new bzbb pw the one I need in bzflag? |
| 06:54.12 | awilcox | noyb, yes. |
| 06:54.18 | noyb | thanks |
| 06:54.37 | jeffm | bzbb is your bzflag one |
| 06:55.36 | noyb | I really enjoy this irc channel. no muss, no fuss. Just the facts, no flames or acid bath. gosh... I luv you guys. |
| 06:55.44 | noyb | :-) |
| 06:57.54 | jeffm | I see no fourm account by the name of "nyob" |
| 06:59.00 | awilcox | ... |
| 06:59.09 | awilcox | ld: warning: in ../../src/other/ftgl/src/.libs/libftgl.a, file is not of required architecture |
| 06:59.24 | awilcox | it was all built in 32-bit |
| 06:59.28 | jeffm | you are ppc or intel? |
| 06:59.33 | awilcox | intel |
| 07:02.55 | jeffm | fun |
| 07:03.11 | awilcox | mmkay |
| 07:03.12 | awilcox | niters |
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| 17:06.28 | CIA-75 | BZFlag: 03AWilcox 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6863 10/w/Compiling: updated Mac section somewhat |
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| 19:25.50 | brlcad | rejects a slew of images that seem proprietary |
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| 19:29.56 | dexter- | what to do if one can't authenticate anymore? |
| 19:31.46 | brlcad | dexter-: can you log into the forums? |
| 19:32.02 | dexter- | nvm, read blast's post |
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| 19:35.30 | dexter- | brlcad: why are special characters not allowed in callsigns anymore? |
| 19:35.36 | dexter- | (i know, not that recent) |
| 19:36.47 | brlcad | dexter-: I wasn't aware that they weren't allowed except for a few usual/problematic ones |
| 19:37.00 | dexter- | {} % ? |
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| 19:45.18 | JeffM | they will provide problems with the ldap system |
| 19:45.23 | JeffM | that's the main reason |
| 19:45.34 | JeffM | so we are starting the filtering now |
| 19:45.42 | JeffM | to get as many ready for that swap |
| 19:46.29 | JeffM | this is at least what the ldap people told me :) |
| 19:47.18 | JeffM | there is also a certain lameness factor to names like {*Y0urM0m!!!}> |
| 19:51.48 | TylerM | seems every discussion re: ldap includes the word "problem" ;-) |
| 19:51.54 | TylerM | at least in my world it does ;) |
| 19:53.52 | brlcad | TylerM: curious, I was thinking the same thing about the word "TylerM" |
| 19:54.37 | TylerM | :o |
| 19:54.51 | TylerM | my silence makes great trouble.. imagine if i spoke |
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| 19:56.00 | brlcad | JeffM: quite true, but ldap's no more of an issue than phpbb or C or anything else we use.. |
| 19:56.20 | brlcad | just have to have an encode/decode when writing/reading from the directory |
| 19:56.46 | brlcad | % -> %% -> % |
| 19:57.32 | brlcad | or % -> \% -> % to make it consistent with the other things that have to be escaped |
| 19:58.12 | brlcad | not a big deal for those characters, just saying it's not like it's really more work |
| 20:00.41 | JeffM | brlcad: dunno perhaps it's the way they implemented it for bzflag |
| 20:01.11 | JeffM | there was some characters it coudn't do, and the simplest thing was to just block em all in phpbb |
| 20:01.44 | JeffM | I belive the problem was phpbb didn't let us set the specific characters to disallow so we did them all |
| 20:02.19 | JeffM | wyk3d would now more |
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| 20:03.15 | allergen | waves |
| 20:06.27 | brlcad | hmm, that sounds like something to fix if it was that wonton |
| 20:06.56 | JeffM | well there wasn't a whole lot of oversight on that project |
| 20:07.21 | JeffM | but at current rates it won't be implemented till 2015 |
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| 20:19.49 | brlcad | simplest is always to block .. it's taken intentional effort to not limit things to simple a-zA-Z for the sake of the user community, expressiveness in their callsigns |
| 20:21.08 | brlcad | thinks that's an area to definitely "fix" but isn't going to stop forward progress either .. especially given my recent commit activity, or lack thereof |
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| 20:25.19 | JeffM | or anyone's lack thereof :) |
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| 20:25.47 | JeffM | oh I took the store down brlcad |
| 20:25.50 | JeffM | dunno if you saw that |
| 20:25.58 | brlcad | yes |
| 20:26.06 | brlcad | still an account gets set up |
| 20:26.25 | brlcad | which I worked on, but is a problem without a tax id |
| 20:26.31 | JeffM | yeah, we have less then 20$ on our limit, so I could not ship an international order if we got one |
| 20:26.42 | JeffM | ahh |
| 20:26.53 | JeffM | what taxID did you use in previous years? |
| 20:27.24 | brlcad | it's a personal checking account, the idea was to set up a business checking account |
| 20:27.33 | JeffM | ahh |
| 20:27.39 | JeffM | yeah that gets more complex |
| 20:27.50 | JeffM | wanna make a corporation? :) |
| 20:28.06 | brlcad | kinda presses that issue to the forefront again |
| 20:28.14 | JeffM | I'm sure we could find ways to post HUGE losses |
| 20:28.25 | brlcad | haha |
| 20:28.29 | brlcad | probably true |
| 20:28.39 | JeffM | we don't have to be non proffit if we are NO profit |
| 20:39.51 | JeffM | I guess the advantages of a non profit would be that we'd have to not worry about spending our money |
| 20:40.07 | JeffM | I don't think getting tax free donations is that big of a deal |
| 20:44.51 | brlcad | never was too worried about that aspect |
| 20:45.26 | JeffM | if we go with an umbrella org, will it be an issue if tim dosn't want to turn over copyright? |
| 20:45.28 | brlcad | more of an issue to get bylaws and other entity paperwork in functional order, not hard but needs meticulous attention |
| 20:46.01 | JeffM | well I'd hope for most of that we can copy another org |
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