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| 00:10.05 | blast007 | JeffM: I found the code in phpBB 3.0.6 that converts the password - might see if I can duplicate that functionality in the list server |
| 00:10.39 | JeffM | k |
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| 01:15.20 | awilcox | I just tried to joing a game and it said that my callsign password was invalid. I know that my password is correct (it was saved, and I wrote it down and retyped it in case), so why would it be invalid? |
| 01:15.28 | awilcox | Is there a way to reset it? I didn't see a link anywhere on the wiki. |
| 01:15.47 | temporalD | awilcox: log into the BZBB forum once - should clear it up |
| 01:17.05 | awilcox | temporalD, I just did and that solved that problem... |
| 01:17.10 | awilcox | now it just says "Error connecting to server" |
| 01:17.25 | awilcox | I think it's my firewall. I'll make sure it's allowing bzflag |
| 01:17.25 | blast007 | awilcox: I upgraded from phpBB 3.0.4 to 3.0.6 on Sunday night, and that seemed to have changed something with the way it does password hashes |
| 01:17.38 | awilcox | blast007, ohh I see |
| 01:18.03 | temporalD | could be the serverlist cache is borked - clear caches and restart the client, maybe |
| 01:19.33 | awilcox | bzexcess.com? I doubt that would be borked :) |
| 01:20.00 | temporalD | blast007: did the "login bzbb" message get added to the MOTD? |
| 01:20.11 | blast007 | temporalD: yeah |
| 01:20.22 | blast007 | the MOTD just isn't read very often ;) |
| 01:20.41 | temporalD | heh - i've added -nomotd to my startup, so I don't see it |
| 01:20.42 | blast007 | http://bzflag.org/motd.php <-- last one |
| 01:20.52 | blast007 | temporalD :P |
| 01:21.37 | awilcox | Ah ha! It was blocking it. |
| 01:21.40 | awilcox | Yay, now I can play bzflag |
| 01:21.56 | awilcox | thanks blast007 and temporalD :) |
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| 01:22.05 | temporalD | youbetcha |
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| 03:10.40 | Gabe_G23 | Quol: hey! |
| 03:10.58 | Quol | how are ya Gabe? |
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| 03:37.49 | thefirstdude | hi |
| 03:38.13 | temporalD | hey |
| 03:38.14 | JeffM | hello |
| 03:38.17 | thefirstdude | is modeltool still the only available script to convert obj to bzw and where can I download it |
| 03:38.25 | thefirstdude | hey tempD |
| 03:38.31 | JeffM | it's not a script it's an application |
| 03:38.45 | JeffM | it's the only one we make, others may have writen up something |
| 03:38.48 | JeffM | what OS are you on? |
| 03:38.49 | thefirstdude | right |
| 03:38.54 | thefirstdude | windows |
| 03:39.06 | JeffM | it is avaialble in the fourms then |
| 03:39.08 | thefirstdude | has anyone made a "better" one to replace model tool yet |
| 03:39.28 | JeffM | there are exporters for various modelers |
| 03:39.37 | JeffM | but I don't see how you could convert a model "Better" |
| 03:39.43 | JeffM | there realy is only one way to do it :) |
| 03:39.47 | thefirstdude | I do |
| 03:40.02 | thefirstdude | support for "flags" in material and mesh names |
| 03:40.09 | JeffM | flags? |
| 03:40.13 | thefirstdude | better support for textures uvs and the like |
| 03:40.21 | JeffM | it conversts UVS as is |
| 03:40.22 | thefirstdude | like shootthrough and drivethrough |
| 03:40.31 | JeffM | it's not meant to be an editor |
| 03:40.32 | thefirstdude | I am asking cause I lost mine I made awhile back |
| 03:40.34 | JeffM | just a converter |
| 03:40.42 | JeffM | it converts what is there |
| 03:40.42 | thefirstdude | it was complete with flags and everything |
| 03:40.56 | JeffM | and obj files don't have those kinds of atributes |
| 03:41.17 | thefirstdude | they still have names for materials and faces |
| 03:41.18 | JeffM | I think what you want is more like what BZWorkbench is meant to do |
| 03:41.26 | JeffM | yes thats ALL they have is names |
| 03:41.43 | thefirstdude | so what I am saying is you put the flags inside the names |
| 03:41.56 | JeffM | that's kinda cheezy and non standard |
| 03:42.00 | thefirstdude | I wrote my own conversion script so I know what I am talking about |
| 03:42.02 | JeffM | that'd be better suported in workbench |
| 03:42.12 | JeffM | I never doubuted you didn't know ;) |
| 03:42.15 | thefirstdude | shootthrough and drivethrough are non standard, so is bz |
| 03:42.36 | JeffM | we'd have to come up wtih naming conventions for that kinda stuff and it gets hokey |
| 03:42.43 | JeffM | I see yoru point tho |
| 03:43.06 | JeffM | now the blender tool can do all that I belive, since they can put custom attributes on anything |
| 03:43.38 | thefirstdude | where can I download bzworkbench at, can't find download link on website |
| 03:43.59 | JeffM | the project is not compete or released in full yet |
| 03:44.03 | JeffM | the sources are in SVN |
| 03:44.06 | thefirstdude | oh |
| 03:44.43 | JeffM | and it dosn't have model import yet, it's just one of the things on the list |
| 03:44.53 | temporalD | blast has a binary on his blog: http://bzexcess.com/2009/10/bzworkbench-r20544-win32-build/ |
| 03:44.53 | JeffM | since it's an editor we can do lots of cool stuff in it |
| 03:46.10 | thefirstdude | my brother made an editor in like 4 days and made a make called cheese cake |
| 03:46.31 | thefirstdude | I am still like, wowed by how fast he could do that using openGL |
| 03:46.31 | JeffM | good for him |
| 03:46.48 | JeffM | the first BZEdit was writen in a day and a half |
| 03:46.50 | thefirstdude | I am just saying it's taking a long time to do bzworkbench |
| 03:46.56 | JeffM | editors are easy to start |
| 03:47.08 | JeffM | you assume someone is working on it all the time |
| 03:47.26 | JeffM | we don't do project assignments so people work on it when they want to |
| 03:47.30 | thefirstdude | well, I know it is GSoC |
| 03:47.43 | JeffM | and it's a more complex task then you make it out to be |
| 03:47.54 | JeffM | but yes if more time was spent on it it'd be finished rather soon |
| 03:48.01 | JeffM | perhaps you or your brother would like to work on it? |
| 03:48.33 | thefirstdude | I don't know c or c++, I stick to python, perl etc |
| 03:48.39 | JeffM | so learn it |
| 03:48.48 | JeffM | language is just a tool :) |
| 03:49.17 | thefirstdude | I never understood why you need header files and then c files |
| 03:49.25 | thefirstdude | it's like you say the same thing twice |
| 03:49.35 | JeffM | because you may not put all functions in the header |
| 03:49.43 | JeffM | so you can have private things |
| 03:49.52 | JeffM | techincaly you could do it all with headers if you wanted |
| 03:50.02 | delusional | i think my header is missing a function or two. |
| 03:50.04 | thefirstdude | right, you specify scope in the header file.. |
| 03:50.10 | JeffM | sorta |
| 03:50.22 | JeffM | by putting it in a header you let another file import it |
| 03:50.39 | JeffM | the scope is then based on where that is used in the other files |
| 03:53.31 | thefirstdude | are there any new releases of bzflag planned |
| 03:53.39 | JeffM | sure |
| 03:53.43 | thefirstdude | or any new ideas going to be added? |
| 03:53.43 | JeffM | 3.0 at some point |
| 03:53.53 | thefirstdude | you have an idea of what that will be like? |
| 03:54.00 | JeffM | there is a wiki page for what's in it |
| 03:54.03 | thefirstdude | or are you just saying...some time something will happen |
| 03:54.10 | JeffM | and prerelease versions have been posted on the forums |
| 03:54.20 | JeffM | sure sometime something will happen :) |
| 03:54.25 | JeffM | we don't do release dates |
| 03:54.36 | JeffM | but there is code for the next version |
| 03:54.50 | JeffM | 2.99.x will become 3.0 when released |
| 03:55.39 | JeffM | http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_3.0 |
| 03:56.57 | thefirstdude | thanks for the link, I was trying to find it! |
| 03:58.30 | thefirstdude | dude, maybe 3.0 won't let ppl f5 there way threw walls |
| 03:58.33 | thefirstdude | that would be nice |
| 03:58.46 | JeffM | it should be a lot harder to do that yes |
| 03:58.51 | JeffM | I made those changes myself |
| 03:59.09 | thefirstdude | JeffM++ |
| 03:59.16 | thefirstdude | ++JeffM |
| 03:59.19 | thefirstdude | w/e |
| 03:59.30 | JeffM | we just break up the sim loop into small chunks |
| 04:00.18 | thefirstdude | wow, reading the 3.0 specifications is getting me all exited!! |
| 04:00.35 | thefirstdude | It is possible that the release will occur in the fourth quarter of 2009, the first quarter of 2010, or the third quarter of 2020. |
| 04:00.36 | thefirstdude | lol |
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| 04:04.26 | thefirstdude | timriker, release v 3.0 |
| 04:04.38 | thefirstdude | where can I find svn on sourcefourge |
| 04:04.51 | thefirstdude | I can't find it |
| 04:04.58 | JeffM | it's not up to him |
| 04:05.09 | JeffM | it needs to be finished |
| 04:05.21 | thefirstdude | I know... |
| 04:05.44 | TimRiker | is buried in his cell phone project. In Shanghai at the moment |
| 04:05.44 | JeffM | really you can't see the source code link on the main page of the bzflag.org website? |
| 04:05.58 | JeffM | takes you to the nice wiki page that says where it all is |
| 04:06.08 | Landon__ | Compile instructions included |
| 04:06.14 | JeffM | indeed |
| 04:06.26 | JeffM | tho I posted a 2.99.x binary a couple days ago |
| 04:06.55 | Landon__ | I got it compiled on OS X like 3 months ago, probably outdated by now |
| 04:07.06 | thefirstdude | found it |
| 04:07.49 | JeffM | http://www.awesomelaser.com/bzflag-2.99.46.20090725.exe |
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| 04:08.16 | Landon__ | What is that |
| 04:08.32 | thefirstdude | bzedit/ 5606 6 years |
| 04:08.34 | thefirstdude | :) |
| 04:08.37 | JeffM | yep |
| 04:09.20 | JeffM | that's the old linux one |
| 04:09.59 | thefirstdude | nice blog |
| 04:10.23 | thefirstdude | the laser is awesome, you know this to be ture |
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| 04:12.17 | thefirstdude | what is the case of the binary beauties about? |
| 04:12.29 | JeffM | kidnaping |
| 04:12.32 | thefirstdude | I don't read much, but this has gotr my attention |
| 04:13.11 | thefirstdude | oh, I thought it would be some poetic deep story about ...something |
| 04:13.41 | JeffM | kidnaping in the FUTURE ;) |
| 04:14.35 | JeffM | has to remember how to use debian now :/ |
| 04:14.56 | thefirstdude | does pybzflag actually work as a client that you can play in |
| 04:15.02 | JeffM | sure |
| 04:15.08 | thefirstdude | or is it some half done stuff? |
| 04:15.15 | JeffM | for specific values of play, and bzflag |
| 04:15.23 | JeffM | it would join a 1.10.x server |
| 04:15.28 | JeffM | and show some stuff |
| 04:15.31 | thefirstdude | oh |
| 04:15.32 | JeffM | but it was never a completed game |
| 04:16.41 | thefirstdude | it would be fun to mess with it |
| 04:19.36 | thefirstdude | install bzflag 2.99.************** |
| 04:20.16 | Landon__ | Easier to say... 2.99.x hahah |
| 04:20.45 | thefirstdude | wow, ther are already some 2.99 servers |
| 04:20.53 | thefirstdude | who wanna play with me? |
| 04:20.54 | thefirstdude | Landon? |
| 04:20.56 | Landon__ | I will |
| 04:21.03 | thefirstdude | join a serve |
| 04:21.11 | Landon__ | Well actually, I need to get a new version |
| 04:21.18 | Landon__ | essage me in an hour if you're still on |
| 04:21.19 | JeffM | well yeah how else would we test it? |
| 04:21.57 | JeffM | joevano: so I've got a cloud based vps for a month |
| 04:22.34 | thefirstdude | when the list is loading, and there are no servers, it should say 'LOADING....' cause I almost quit before servers start popping up |
| 04:23.06 | thefirstdude | joevano is donny Baker...iirc |
| 04:23.19 | Landon__ | Correct |
| 04:23.37 | JeffM | no, his real name is joe :) |
| 04:24.13 | thefirstdude | landon, you have latest bz 2.99... now? |
| 04:24.22 | Landon__ | I have to compile it |
| 04:24.23 | JeffM | now I gotta figure out how to open up ports :( |
| 04:24.37 | Landon__ | I think I deleted it at some point, it was outdated anyways |
| 04:25.15 | thefirstdude | wow, there are alot of errors |
| 04:25.30 | JeffM | what are you building it with? |
| 04:25.50 | thefirstdude | I downloaded your precomiled link you sent |
| 04:26.00 | JeffM | where did you get errors then? |
| 04:26.31 | thefirstdude | I go forward left and then take my fingers off and I still move left |
| 04:26.43 | JeffM | ahh, bugs you mean |
| 04:26.48 | JeffM | not compile errors |
| 04:26.54 | JeffM | welcome to development code |
| 04:27.10 | JeffM | and acceleration is always on in 3.0 |
| 04:27.35 | thefirstdude | hub is looking cool |
| 04:27.44 | thefirstdude | what is with the thick border on map |
| 04:27.56 | JeffM | that needs to be made thiner |
| 04:28.03 | JeffM | it was thick so we could check for graphical errors |
| 04:28.13 | thefirstdude | oh |
| 04:28.15 | JeffM | it's drawn differently now so it works better on more cards |
| 04:29.03 | thefirstdude | after not using keys for 3 secs the mouse takes over |
| 04:29.14 | thefirstdude | even if I am not moving the mouse |
| 04:29.20 | thefirstdude | just trying to help alittle |
| 04:29.31 | thefirstdude | this is the latest revision right? |
| 04:29.33 | JeffM | typing them in here won't get em fixed |
| 04:29.38 | JeffM | ish |
| 04:29.43 | JeffM | some stuff has changed but not much |
| 04:30.44 | thefirstdude | I don't see how you can have a working version with keyboard and mouse go to this where nothing works, mouse or keyboard, unless you totaly rewrote the code |
| 04:30.57 | JeffM | who said it was a working version? |
| 04:31.12 | Landon__ | Thats why its 2.99.x, not 3.0 :P |
| 04:31.23 | thefirstdude | I am saying it works in 2.0.10 |
| 04:31.26 | thefirstdude | so why not now? |
| 04:31.38 | thefirstdude | nice red flag with heart in it |
| 04:31.42 | JeffM | beceause you aren't running 2.0.x |
| 04:31.49 | JeffM | yes lots of code got rewriten |
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| 04:32.17 | thefirstdude | green flag is for green holiday.... |
| 04:32.22 | thefirstdude | p soemthing grrr |
| 04:33.07 | thefirstdude | what is the italian holday with little green pplp and rainbows and gold pots |
| 04:34.06 | Landon__ | Italian? Do you mean Irish? |
| 04:34.28 | thefirstdude | right, Irish |
| 04:34.30 | thefirstdude | so what is it |
| 04:34.34 | thefirstdude | it is driving me crazy |
| 04:34.36 | Landon__ | If so, Sain Patricks day |
| 04:34.37 | JeffM | google |
| 04:35.05 | thefirstdude | I just googled rainbow, pot of gold, green, and holiday in like 5 diffrerent combinations |
| 04:35.11 | thefirstdude | thanks for reminding of google though |
| 04:35.12 | Landon__ | Its saint patricks day.. |
| 04:35.22 | thefirstdude | right thanks |
| 04:35.28 | thefirstdude | I almost died over here |
| 04:36.13 | thefirstdude | are bullets 3d yet? |
| 04:36.44 | JeffM | depends what bullet you are talking about |
| 04:36.48 | JeffM | and what mode you are in |
| 04:37.03 | thefirstdude | the ones you shoot by default...highest quality? |
| 04:37.05 | JeffM | there is a mode that makes bolts have trailing particles to make them look more 3d |
| 04:37.11 | JeffM | and makes beams more 3d |
| 04:38.40 | thefirstdude | what is anisotropic |
| 04:38.48 | JeffM | a filtering mode |
| 04:39.38 | Landon__ | Hm... Xcode is refusing to compile anything because it wants me to be running OS X 10.6.. I'm on 10.5 wtf |
| 04:40.07 | thefirstdude | can you make multiple list servers, make it possible for the client to connect to http proxy |
| 04:40.07 | Landon__ | There is no path with OSX10.6, ya, thats because I don't have 10.6 |
| 04:40.16 | JeffM | gotta love apple |
| 04:40.20 | thefirstdude | incase of stupid content filters blocking "game" sites |
| 04:40.28 | JeffM | thefirstdude: nope, and nope |
| 04:40.35 | thefirstdude | omg, omg |
| 04:40.37 | thefirstdude | :P |
| 04:40.39 | JeffM | if you aren't suposed to be playing games, then don't play games there |
| 04:41.09 | JeffM | it's not our job to help you disobey your parrents/school |
| 04:41.11 | thefirstdude | that was along time ago, when I lived with my parents they had filter that filtered game sites on port 80 |
| 04:41.18 | JeffM | good for them |
| 04:41.26 | JeffM | that means they took an active role in parenting :) |
| 04:41.27 | thefirstdude | lol |
| 04:41.33 | Landon__ | haha |
| 04:41.36 | JeffM | many don't |
| 04:41.39 | JeffM | and it's sad |
| 04:42.34 | thefirstdude | well, I do know how to edit iptables, and edit windows to forward through socks proxies...but I just wanted to ask |
| 04:43.06 | JeffM | you can change what list server the game uses in the config file |
| 04:43.17 | JeffM | and anyone can run a list server if they want to set it up |
| 04:43.30 | JeffM | the php code for it is in the db project |
| 04:43.33 | thefirstdude | that is cool |
| 04:43.41 | JeffM | but they won't be able to use our global auth database |
| 04:44.25 | thefirstdude | hmm..or download images from bzflag.org |
| 04:45.28 | thefirstdude | when you connect to a serer with a map from alternative domain, can you make a popup or alert asking if they want to accept |
| 04:45.40 | blast007 | sure, we "can" do it ;) |
| 04:45.47 | JeffM | that is one if the features that I'd like to see someone implement |
| 04:45.49 | thefirstdude | 'unkown and possibly danferous' images/textures |
| 04:46.10 | JeffM | yep |
| 04:46.28 | temporalD | "unverified" seems more accurate |
| 04:46.51 | thefirstdude | I was tempted to say 'censored or pornographic' |
| 04:46.57 | JeffM | it'd have to tie into the filtering system now |
| 04:47.03 | JeffM | so parrents could prevent kids from hitting yes |
| 04:47.18 | JeffM | why would you say that about something from an unknown host? |
| 04:47.22 | JeffM | it may be a brick wall |
| 04:47.29 | thefirstdude | I know |
| 04:47.52 | thefirstdude | it could be anything, so assume the worst |
| 04:48.13 | blast007 | "Do you wish to allow an image download from '_____.com'?" should be enough :P |
| 04:48.17 | JeffM | yeah |
| 04:48.31 | blast007 | then have "Allow" "Always allow" "Deny" |
| 04:48.39 | thefirstdude | true, are you the same blast that currently is maker of most popular map..can't remember the name |
| 04:48.51 | blast007 | no, I'm host host of the MW2.3 |
| 04:48.54 | thefirstdude | 'Always Deny' |
| 04:48.56 | blast007 | I'm the host* |
| 04:49.01 | thefirstdude | oh |
| 04:49.15 | thefirstdude | I noticed I am admin, you must have added thumpers admin group |
| 04:49.16 | blast007 | ducatiwannabe (spelling?) made it |
| 04:49.54 | blast007 | would have been that way, yes - but I merged all of the users from various 3rd party groups into my groups |
| 04:52.00 | thefirstdude | you should get rid of sb |
| 04:52.06 | Bambino | no |
| 04:52.10 | thefirstdude | I always die from ppl with SB!! |
| 04:52.22 | Landon__ | Thats the general idea |
| 04:52.38 | Bambino | learn to dodge and look at your radar ;) |
| 04:52.38 | blast007 | then dodge |
| 04:52.41 | blast007 | even I can avoid getting shot with SB typically |
| 04:52.45 | blast007 | and I hardly play ;) |
| 04:52.57 | Bambino | and 175 shot speed is not impossible to dodge |
| 04:53.13 | thefirstdude | it's the difference between being zoomed out so I can gm ppl from far away, or zoomed in so I can dodge |
| 04:53.50 | Bambino | radar toggles/ |
| 04:53.52 | Bambino | ? |
| 04:53.59 | thefirstdude | I have this insane crazy HUGE unique map |
| 04:54.06 | thefirstdude | but it is lost as far as I know |
| 04:54.11 | thefirstdude | can't find it on my harddrive |
| 04:54.29 | thefirstdude | I have spent many many hours on it |
| 04:54.41 | blast007 | change zoom levels :P |
| 04:54.51 | thefirstdude | I even have secret tunnels |
| 04:54.53 | blast007 | I would be a lot of the good players change their zoom a lot |
| 04:55.02 | temporalD | not secret anymore! |
| 04:55.11 | thefirstdude | and a designated mesh group just for radar |
| 04:55.15 | blast007 | secret tunnels are easy to discover |
| 04:55.22 | blast007 | just download the map and open it in an editor ;) |
| 04:55.32 | thefirstdude | you have to jump yo get into some |
| 04:55.36 | blast007 | or observer mode |
| 04:55.46 | thefirstdude | DAMN, how can I stop ppl from dling map |
| 04:55.49 | thefirstdude | :P |
| 04:55.51 | blast007 | you can't |
| 04:55.58 | thefirstdude | duh lol |
| 04:56.03 | temporalD | don't host or post it :D |
| 04:56.55 | thefirstdude | does anyone remember the map I made called gladiators? |
| 04:57.19 | thefirstdude | I want to remake that map so bad!! |
| 04:57.49 | thefirstdude | I think it was called BZ Gladiators 2 |
| 04:58.35 | thefirstdude | nvm, I guess you guess don't remember |
| 04:58.47 | temporalD | no sry |
| 04:59.01 | thefirstdude | it was on top for like 3 days straight |
| 04:59.19 | thefirstdude | until ppl started f5 ing and .... yeh |
| 04:59.19 | blast007 | wow |
| 04:59.28 | blast007 | and you had to ban them all? |
| 04:59.54 | thefirstdude | I would join and everyone complained to me |
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| 05:04.03 | thefirstdude | does anyone remember my arena map |
| 05:04.11 | thefirstdude | like a prison |
| 05:04.33 | thefirstdude | INFERNO stuck in the fence and blood dripping? |
| 05:04.36 | thefirstdude | anyone remember that? |
| 05:06.12 | thefirstdude | sry, I just keep remembering the awesome maps I made, at least I thought they werew awesome |
| 05:11.00 | Bambino | thefirstdude: what is your Bz username? |
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| 05:12.04 | gig | hey people, I have a major issue... |
| 05:12.38 | gig | can someone help? |
| 05:12.42 | Bambino | sure |
| 05:13.08 | gig | well, my system freezes when i open bz |
| 05:13.13 | gig | i'm on ubuntu 9.10 |
| 05:13.20 | gig | and i've played bz many times before |
| 05:13.52 | gig | i changed some graphics settings to get a smoother performance |
| 05:13.57 | gig | but after it froze my system I uninstalled |
| 05:14.10 | gig | reinstall from synaptic |
| 05:14.15 | gig | tried a manual install |
| 05:14.27 | gig | and running an older client |
| 05:14.29 | gig | same issue |
| 05:14.52 | JeffM | remove your config |
| 05:14.57 | JeffM | that's where the problem is |
| 05:15.03 | gig | ok |
| 05:15.04 | JeffM | what video card do you have? |
| 05:15.06 | gig | where is that? |
| 05:15.11 | gig | it's an intel... |
| 05:15.13 | JeffM | ./bzf |
| 05:15.25 | JeffM | yeah they are very picky about what they run |
| 05:15.52 | gig | whats wierd about the freeze though is it keeps running the hard disc.... |
| 05:16.00 | gig | the system doesn't just stop |
| 05:16.30 | JeffM | yeah it's probably just killing your video driver |
| 05:16.47 | JeffM | is it a laptop? |
| 05:16.51 | gig | yeah |
| 05:16.59 | JeffM | then that's what you are stuck with |
| 05:17.06 | JeffM | you could see if there are newer drivers for the chipset |
| 05:17.16 | gig | but it worked well before |
| 05:17.18 | JeffM | but in my experience intel cards/drivers just kinda suck |
| 05:17.27 | blast007 | gig: you could also try turning off desktop effects to see if that helps |
| 05:17.34 | JeffM | you changed an option, and that putthe card in a mode it didn't support probably |
| 05:17.37 | gig | lol, i already did that |
| 05:17.43 | blast007 | k |
| 05:17.47 | gig | i'm at minimum processes here |
| 05:18.09 | blast007 | looks like your only solution is to install Windows then ;) |
| 05:18.17 | gig | well lately, since i upgraded from 9.04 it hasn't run the same |
| 05:18.37 | gig | I was messing with the settings cuz I was etting constant jitter complaints |
| 05:18.49 | gig | and bz was the only prog running |
| 05:19.06 | JeffM | how fast is the CPU? |
| 05:19.07 | gig | if i could afford windows i would.... |
| 05:19.11 | gig | 1 gb |
| 05:19.13 | blast007 | did you do an 'upgrade' or a clean install? |
| 05:19.28 | blast007 | 1GB would be RAM, not the CPU |
| 05:19.38 | gig | clean install after the 'upgrade' lost everything :-\ |
| 05:19.43 | gig | oh whopops |
| 05:20.18 | gig | how do i fine the cpu seed again? |
| 05:20.36 | gig | *speed |
| 05:21.18 | blast007 | dmidecode can show you that info |
| 05:21.32 | blast007 | demdecode | grep 'Current Speed' |
| 05:22.53 | gig | max speed 1500 MHz |
| 05:23.00 | gig | current 1200 MHz |
| 05:23.03 | blast007 | oh, heh, and it's in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 05:23.04 | blast007 | k |
| 05:23.09 | blast007 | pentium M? |
| 05:23.18 | gig | uh huh |
| 05:23.32 | blast007 | probably quite similar to my laptop here then |
| 05:24.17 | gig | i'm sure my jitter is just probably the wireless connection but bz definitely hasn't been as smooth since 9.10 |
| 05:24.31 | JeffM | wireless makes jitter |
| 05:24.40 | gig | any solutions? |
| 05:24.47 | JeffM | plug it in |
| 05:25.01 | JeffM | changing channels sometimes helps too |
| 05:25.08 | gig | lol, but I'm on microwave so plugging it in does nothing... |
| 05:25.26 | gig | changing channels? |
| 05:25.28 | JeffM | gaming may not be best on that connection then |
| 05:25.34 | JeffM | channels on a wireless router |
| 05:25.37 | JeffM | if you are direct you can't |
| 05:25.37 | gig | i know but i love bz!!!! |
| 05:25.50 | JeffM | love of BZ cannna change the laws of physcis |
| 05:25.59 | gig | lol, true... |
| 05:26.11 | JeffM | the only thing you are doing on the client is probably canging the framerate |
| 05:26.23 | JeffM | and that's only going to affect lag/jitter if your FPS is very very low |
| 05:26.27 | trepan | but i was told, "all you need is love"; lied to again... |
| 05:26.37 | JeffM | love and sandwitches |
| 05:26.46 | gig | hehe |
| 05:27.16 | gig | ok, so i didn't find a config file.... |
| 05:27.35 | JeffM | its a dir in your homedir |
| 05:27.40 | JeffM | ./bzf |
| 05:27.45 | JeffM | it'll be hidden |
| 05:27.46 | gig | there was a config.cfg in ./.bzf/2.0 |
| 05:27.51 | JeffM | that'd be it |
| 05:27.54 | gig | i deleted that |
| 05:27.59 | JeffM | run the game then |
| 05:28.02 | JeffM | it'll make a new one |
| 05:28.05 | JeffM | with defaults |
| 05:28.19 | gig | ok, if I disconnect, assume the worst:P |
| 05:28.34 | gig | but thanks for your help guys, it was so simple lol. |
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| 05:29.31 | gig | cool, it works |
| 05:29.38 | gig | thanks again :) |
| 05:38.26 | thefirstdude | oh, duh |
| 05:38.31 | thefirstdude | my bz name is Inferno |
| 05:38.48 | thefirstdude | Bambino, it is inferno |
| 05:39.02 | Bambino | ahh |
| 05:39.28 | thefirstdude | I was playing spring rts |
| 05:41.01 | thefirstdude | what is your bz name? |
| 05:42.20 | blast007 | his is Bambino |
| 05:42.24 | blast007 | well, one of his :P |
| 05:42.37 | Bambino | yup |
| 05:42.54 | Bambino | and blast007 is right on both counts :P |
| 06:02.24 | JeffM | sends brlcad an email about .bz and swap space usage |
| 06:03.44 | JeffM | there is still a 500+ meg one, but it looks like one is down to 5 megs |
| 06:04.37 | JeffM | at at least there is a couple hundred megs free now |
| 06:05.58 | blast007 | I see a 518M and a 293M |
| 06:06.09 | JeffM | yerah and a 5 meg one |
| 06:06.19 | JeffM | it used to be 2 250+ers |
| 06:06.25 | blast007 | ah |
| 06:06.35 | JeffM | and that one we killed |
| 06:06.39 | blast007 | I don't see a 5. I see a 14 though |
| 06:06.59 | JeffM | 93747 |
| 06:07.06 | blast007 | that's screen |
| 06:07.12 | JeffM | ahhh |
| 06:12.59 | brlcad | JeffM: I'm around, I've actually been busy working on server migration issues |
| 06:13.04 | brlcad | but thanks for the details regardless |
| 06:13.37 | brlcad | the issue is her logs, I'll work with her to get them rotated |
| 06:14.11 | brlcad | they all rotate except for one non-channel event log that has to be manually rotated.. that sucker is kept in memory and reloads on restart |
| 06:14.27 | brlcad | that's the big one |
| 06:16.32 | blast007 | strange |
| 06:16.56 | JeffM | ouch |
| 06:17.19 | JeffM | yeah we were pretty sure they were the cause, as once we willed one, it got way faster |
| 06:17.29 | JeffM | killed one even |
| 06:17.38 | blast007 | log files are causing it? |
| 06:17.47 | JeffM | is our stuff on the new or old server? |
| 06:18.40 | blast007 | cuz I have several logs that are sorta big (45M for mofo, 53M for here, 28M for #gsoc) and I'm only using 8MB of RAM |
| 06:20.22 | brlcad | her logs are more than 10x that size |
| 06:20.29 | blast007 | still |
| 06:20.33 | JeffM | well no matter what brlcad, what do you think about moving the wiki and fourms to wiki.bzflag.org and forums.bzflag.org no mater where they are? |
| 06:21.23 | brlcad | wiki.bzflag.org by itself is problematic to set up with mediawiki |
| 06:21.33 | brlcad | otherwise we would have done that when it was first set up |
| 06:21.33 | JeffM | it is? |
| 06:21.38 | brlcad | yep |
| 06:21.40 | JeffM | why? |
| 06:21.41 | blast007 | at least if it's at the root |
| 06:21.43 | brlcad | there's a page about setting it up |
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| 06:21.59 | JeffM | so we do a main page redirect |
| 06:22.10 | JeffM | it just seems silly to have em all tied to "my" |
| 06:22.13 | brlcad | you can get it to mostly work with a little tweaking, but they pretty much say "don't do it, you'll break stuff" |
| 06:22.22 | brlcad | the my is pointless |
| 06:22.27 | JeffM | makes it hard to split em up |
| 06:22.46 | JeffM | I don't care if it's wiki.bzflag.org/w/ |
| 06:23.03 | brlcad | then what's the gain? :) |
| 06:23.16 | blast007 | allowing it to run on another server |
| 06:23.25 | JeffM | the ability to move it to a machine that dosn't cry like a baby when something else bad happens on it ;) |
| 06:23.30 | blast007 | separate from the forum or stats or the list if we want |
| 06:23.37 | brlcad | I don't care about the my prefix, but I'd be inclined to just make it all go back to just being www.bzflag.org making the www. optional even |
| 06:23.46 | blast007 | currently we have a crap ton of stuff shoved into m.b.o |
| 06:23.52 | JeffM | I know that moving the wiki off the list won't speed the list up, but it'll make the wiki not slow when the list is slow |
| 06:24.25 | brlcad | sure, makes sense |
| 06:24.42 | JeffM | It'd be nice if we could do that with forums too |
| 06:24.49 | JeffM | but I know there is the shared db aspect |
| 06:25.23 | blast007 | only weblogin and bzfls stuff needs to talk to the phpBB database directly |
| 06:25.31 | JeffM | we do have the advantage of having 2 servers in the same location, so if one wanted to share a database between 2 machines, we could |
| 06:25.39 | JeffM | as it would be fast internal bandwith |
| 06:25.44 | JeffM | and I don't think they monitor that |
| 06:26.36 | brlcad | they monitor everything going through the switch iirc, so it'd still get metered, but it's inconsequential |
| 06:27.09 | JeffM | it'd give us another CPU to share the load is what I'm thinkin |
| 06:27.18 | brlcad | would be nice to get distributed mysql going and round-robin the requests across both |
| 06:27.39 | JeffM | the other option is to move it all to a multi node VPS |
| 06:27.47 | JeffM | then you can just give it more nodes |
| 06:27.59 | JeffM | and as I recall we do lots of little transactions/threads |
| 06:28.02 | JeffM | not one big one |
| 06:28.06 | JeffM | so it may split well |
| 06:28.44 | blast007 | JeffM: does that act as one system? or does each node run individual instances of stuff? |
| 06:28.54 | JeffM | yeah it acts as a single VM |
| 06:28.59 | blast007 | ah, neat |
| 06:29.07 | brlcad | mysql is the performance bottleneck right now |
| 06:29.08 | JeffM | and it dynamicly throws new threads onto differfent nodes |
| 06:29.24 | JeffM | well in a VPS it'd get it's own node |
| 06:29.42 | JeffM | at least the vps I'm lookin at now |
| 06:30.00 | brlcad | it's not just rate of sql transactions.. that's been pretty steady |
| 06:30.11 | brlcad | there are lots of expensive transactions that hit up a lot of I/O |
| 06:30.25 | JeffM | where do they all come from? |
| 06:30.28 | blast007 | how expensive is running a 'USE' ? |
| 06:30.30 | JeffM | all over or mostly list? |
| 06:30.30 | brlcad | mostly from phpbb, but the league site as well |
| 06:30.50 | JeffM | perhaps it'd be best to move the leauge sites somewhere then |
| 06:30.54 | JeffM | how much bandwith do they use? |
| 06:30.59 | JeffM | not much I'd think |
| 06:31.12 | blast007 | I think it's just one league site on the .bz system |
| 06:31.14 | blast007 | the ducati league |
| 06:31.34 | blast007 | which is also shoved within the m.b.o directory ;) |
| 06:31.39 | JeffM | we can move em over to mine and see if that helps |
| 06:31.46 | brlcad | not much bandwidth |
| 06:31.54 | JeffM | we get em setup on ducati.bzflag.net and set a redirect |
| 06:31.59 | brlcad | not many calls either, but not an optimized site so some of the calls can be expensive |
| 06:32.00 | blast007 | web-league is a security hole :P |
| 06:32.06 | brlcad | then it backs up the rest |
| 06:32.20 | JeffM | even more reason to get em onto a system with out the main auth system :) |
| 06:32.29 | blast007 | and I don't think the ducati one has been updated |
| 06:32.43 | blast007 | so it's even worse than the other two |
| 06:33.04 | JeffM | heck we could move the site with out even tellin em :) |
| 06:33.07 | brlcad | getting a count now of the worst mysql offenders |
| 06:33.11 | brlcad | database-wise |
| 06:33.53 | brlcad | 5967 use league; |
| 06:33.53 | brlcad | 7740 use bzflaglsdb; |
| 06:33.54 | brlcad | 10470 use bzbb; |
| 06:34.23 | JeffM | blast007: my idea for the vps was to set up a copy of .bz on it with one node, get it workin then buy like 4 nodes for a day and build soemthing to hammer the crap out of it and see how it handles it |
| 06:34.27 | brlcad | those are logged "slow" events since new years |
| 06:34.37 | brlcad | slow being a query that takes at least 3se |
| 06:34.38 | brlcad | sec |
| 06:34.59 | JeffM | can you have mysql just mirror a single table in a db? |
| 06:35.00 | blast007 | iirc, some of the list server actions swap databases 4 times :P |
| 06:35.17 | JeffM | if so we could move bb to my machine and jsut mirror users. |
| 06:35.20 | JeffM | and groups |
| 06:35.22 | JeffM | but not posts |
| 06:35.25 | blast007 | we should just move the list server tables into the bzbb database |
| 06:35.28 | brlcad | now that the forums are upgraded, the mysql beast might improve with the banlists gone |
| 06:35.40 | JeffM | that may be a big one |
| 06:36.52 | brlcad | you have to look at the cause of those slow queries too |
| 06:37.06 | brlcad | many of them can be easily taken care of |
| 06:37.10 | brlcad | just sloppy sql |
| 06:37.26 | blast007 | well, those three there can't really be optimized, can then? |
| 06:37.27 | brlcad | especially the league and bzflaglsdb ones |
| 06:37.38 | JeffM | an idea I had was to make the thing that does user auth into a little exe that the php just called |
| 06:37.46 | JeffM | then it could just keep a connection open and cache stuff |
| 06:38.04 | blast007 | brlcad: the list server calls the 'use' command in several spots |
| 06:38.06 | JeffM | and not have to load all the phpbb php into the list |
| 06:38.09 | brlcad | sure can, I've gone in many a time and done a review over the years.. and it makes a big difference |
| 06:38.12 | blast007 | it hops between the forum and the list server databases |
| 06:38.28 | brlcad | blast007: the use command isn't costly |
| 06:38.43 | brlcad | those were just easy counts of *which* db had a slow query |
| 06:39.00 | blast007 | ah, thought that *was* the query |
| 06:39.01 | brlcad | the queries themselves are what eat the time |
| 06:39.05 | brlcad | nah |
| 06:39.31 | brlcad | that was just to get an idea of where % of slow queries are coming from, which database |
| 06:39.36 | blast007 | k |
| 06:40.17 | brlcad | upgrading bzbb and killing the bans was probably an optimal path with good payoff |
| 06:40.34 | brlcad | given it's probably a very large portion of the 10470 since new years |
| 06:40.48 | brlcad | ~10470 / 20 |
| 06:40.49 | ibot | 523.5 |
| 06:43.46 | brlcad | so given the majority of bzbb activity is in half the day, that's a slow query about once every other minute on average |
| 06:44.29 | brlcad | separate out any one of those three from the rest and they will all reduce |
| 06:45.27 | brlcad | i'll dig into the memory issue to see what's changed |
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| 09:26.34 | awilcox | I'm either a huge idiot or BZBB broke...again... |
| 09:27.06 | awilcox | It was working great...but around midnight it broke again, when I try and play on i.e. Norang I get "You are not authenticated. Your global token is invalid" |
| 09:27.30 | awilcox | When I tried to log in to the BZBB, I just get the login page again. No "invalid password", no "try again", just the login page again |
| 09:27.55 | awilcox | So I thought okay. I'll reset via email. I put in my callsign and email address...and it just put me back to the enter your callsign and email page. |
| 09:28.09 | awilcox | I have no new email (it's gmail so it's normally very rapid at receiving mail) |
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| 18:20.10 | Cobra_Fast | stop advertising plz? |
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| 18:33.02 | blast007 | Cobra_Fast: he probably just missed the / :P |
| 18:33.43 | Cobra_Fast | possible |
| 18:33.53 | Cobra_Fast | thats why i formed as a question |
| 18:34.54 | blast007 | I would think that would be the likely conclusion |
| 18:45.14 | thefirstdude | blast007, you kicked me |
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| 19:14.00 | brlcad | usually a warning that you're doing something that might get you banned |
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| 19:42.41 | thefirstdude | what did I do? |
| 19:44.49 | blast007 | thefirstdude: ##bzexcess |
| 19:45.01 | blast007 | or /query me |
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| 20:23.41 | thefirstdude | hi Jeff |
| 20:23.47 | JeffM | hello |
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| 22:43.05 | awilcox | is there a 2.0.12 for OS X? |
| 22:43.15 | awilcox | I can't seem to make 2.0.10 allow me to log in |
| 22:43.19 | awilcox | "Global token rejected" |
| 22:43.31 | awilcox | I've already logged in to the forums a number of times |
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| 22:44.14 | JeffM | awilcox: we didn't release one |
| 22:44.27 | JeffM | but it dosn't have that many changes |
| 22:44.37 | JeffM | .12 was just made to fix a problem with linux builds |
| 22:45.01 | awilcox | JeffM, my issue seems to be related to the forum software changing the password hashes |
| 22:45.07 | awilcox | I wasn't sure if .12 would help |
| 22:45.19 | JeffM | it won't |
| 22:45.22 | awilcox | okay. |
| 22:45.42 | JeffM | your password have any super funky characters in it? |
| 22:45.55 | awilcox | is an exclamation point a super-funky character? |
| 22:46.02 | JeffM | shouldn't be |
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| 22:46.19 | awilcox | otherwise no, just letters and numbers |
| 22:46.37 | JeffM | you have a proxy server or anything between you and the net? |
| 22:46.58 | awilcox | no proxy, just a router running an embedded version of pf |
| 22:47.13 | JeffM | dunno then |
| 22:47.51 | awilcox | I suppose I can try changing my password on the forums |
| 22:48.06 | JeffM | can't hurt |
| 22:48.27 | blast007 | let me check the logs quick |
| 22:48.45 | blast007 | awilcox: is your bz name "awilcox" as well? |
| 22:49.00 | awilcox | blast007: "AWOS" |
| 22:50.10 | blast007 | seems to be an IP mismatch |
| 22:50.25 | awilcox | o_o |
| 22:50.31 | blast007 | do you have multiple IPs? |
| 22:50.59 | awilcox | blast007, not technically |
| 22:51.02 | awilcox | blast007, pm? |
| 22:51.03 | blast007 | the one the game server is checking is .243, but the one you hit the list from is .242 |
| 22:51.24 | awilcox | hmm |
| 22:51.25 | JeffM | you sure you don't have a proxy? |
| 22:51.36 | awilcox | JeffM, yes, I am sure, there is no proxy |
| 22:51.39 | blast007 | the IP is just off by 1 |
| 22:51.51 | awilcox | mac mini -> router -> AT&T |
| 22:54.14 | JeffM | how many IPs does the router have, externaly? |
| 22:54.31 | awilcox | JeffM, from ifconfig, looks like it has 4 |
| 22:54.37 | awilcox | which is wrong >_< |
| 22:54.42 | JeffM | indeed |
| 22:54.46 | awilcox | I shall attempt to fix this. |
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| 23:01.36 | temporalD | awilcox, there is an unofficial 2.0.13 for OSX posted today |
| 23:02.23 | temporalD | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=15964 |
| 23:02.24 | blast007 | 10.6 only though, right? |
| 23:03.04 | temporalD | could be - definitely only for Intel processors it seems |
| 23:03.09 | blast007 | yeah |
| 23:03.28 | temporalD | I had planned on trying it on my 10.5 machine tonight |
| 23:03.37 | awilcox | I have 10.6 :) |
| 23:04.09 | awilcox | I think I fixed it |
| 23:04.10 | awilcox | tests |
| 23:07.15 | awilcox | \o/ it works now |
| 23:07.34 | awilcox | bbl actually enjoying bzf for once :P |
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