| 00:07.10 | JeffM | McSpider: did you see my note about your images on your blog? |
| 00:07.38 | McSpider | yes I've updated the license |
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| 00:07.44 | JeffM | thank you |
| 00:07.50 | McSpider | np |
| 00:11.42 | JeffM | I wonder if changing the artworks to a CC license would affect the debianness of bzflag |
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| 01:05.12 | blast007 | JeffM: http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses#CreativeCommonsAttributionShare-Alike.28CC-BY-SA.29v3.0 |
| 01:10.19 | JeffM | blast007: cool, just so long as they don't care if we have different licenses for code and resources |
| 01:11.22 | blast007 | and worst case, we could do a bzflag-data package ;) |
| 01:11.28 | JeffM | yay and the mozilla one works too |
| 01:11.33 | JeffM | preferes that one |
| 01:18.02 | blast007 | what about that one specifically do you like? |
| 01:18.24 | JeffM | it's better worded and not viral |
| 01:19.10 | JeffM | it sits inbetween the bsd license and the GPL |
| 01:21.11 | Erroneous | the mpl is gpl-incompatible |
| 01:21.14 | Erroneous | but nice otherwise |
| 01:21.18 | JeffM | yep |
| 01:21.24 | JeffM | is not a huge fan of the GPL |
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| 04:34.07 | malfoy | hi i just downloaded this game, i was wondering if there was a way to window the game |
| 04:36.20 | blast007 | you can press the F1 key, or you can pass the -window option to the game |
| 04:36.49 | blast007 | what OS are you using? |
| 04:37.06 | malfoy | windows vista |
| 04:37.36 | blast007 | there should be a "windowed" icon in the start menu |
| 04:37.54 | blast007 | you can edit the properties of that one to adjust the size it runs as |
| 04:38.10 | blast007 | the shortcut runs it at 800x600 |
| 04:38.31 | malfoy | in the games option menu? |
| 04:38.40 | malfoy | i cant find a window option |
| 04:38.48 | a_meteorite | >_< |
| 04:38.53 | blast007 | there isn't one |
| 04:38.55 | blast007 | like I said, you have to edit the shortcut |
| 04:39.08 | blast007 | it it an option that has to be passed to the game on startup |
| 04:39.14 | a_meteorite | right click, properties, edit the target to include the option |
| 04:39.19 | blast007 | the windowed shortcut points to this: |
| 04:39.20 | blast007 | "C:\Program Files\BZFlag2.0.10\bzflag.exe" -window -geometry 800x600 |
| 04:40.23 | malfoy | yeah i did it |
| 04:40.29 | malfoy | but the rest of my screen is frozen off |
| 04:40.46 | blast007 | as in, you can't move the mouse out of the game? |
| 04:40.50 | malfoy | yeah |
| 04:40.57 | blast007 | there's an option for that in the Input Settings menu |
| 04:40.57 | a_meteorite | that's an option |
| 04:40.58 | blast007 | confine mouse |
| 04:41.07 | blast007 | set that to off and then you can move it outside of the game |
| 04:41.17 | blast007 | but note that if you click on anything outside of the game, it will minimize |
| 04:41.37 | blast007 | so instead, you could leave that option on, and just press F4 to minimize the game |
| 04:42.13 | malfoy | ok thanks for your help |
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| 13:19.14 | Cobra_Slow | how to set group moderators/additional leaders? |
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| 14:51.50 | blendmaster1024 | cool, ibot's here. now, to set an onjoin for mr coder guy... |
| 14:52.40 | blendmaster1024 | his name is "TimRikers", i think..... btw, i need to talk to a coder, if one if here right now then that'd be better... |
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| 14:56.38 | Dontkillme | You're looking for Tim Riker? |
| 14:56.52 | Dontkillme | blendmaster1024: ^ |
| 14:57.20 | blendmaster1024 | that guy. he used his real name on #utah |
| 14:57.39 | blendmaster1024 | if he's here, then to him: i wanna talks... |
| 14:57.49 | blendmaster1024 | ...about bzflag coding... |
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| 15:24.12 | blendmaster1024 | Dontkillme: who are you? as in are you a bzcoder? |
| 15:26.31 | Cobra_Fast | whats the issue? |
| 15:26.51 | blendmaster1024 | i made a patch to the robot ai to make it a little more fun for bad players |
| 15:26.59 | blendmaster1024 | (like my little siblings) |
| 15:27.07 | blendmaster1024 | ...but it segfaults at random times |
| 15:27.11 | spldart | blendmaster1024: Perhaps any queries you may have as to the current code base would be better directed at one of the guys who currently have their hands on the reigns. Jeffm brlcad and a few others. If you wait around a bit I'm sure they will talk with you about any queries you may have. |
| 15:27.25 | Cobra_Fast | so you created ultra-noob-bots? |
| 15:27.31 | Cobra_Fast | i'm waiting for pro-bots |
| 15:27.44 | blendmaster1024 | and the segfaults don't seem -- ok -- but the segfaults don't seem related to the changes |
| 15:28.44 | blendmaster1024 | and they're coming, the current bots are stupid strategists and perfect shooters. impossible match. so for the time being, my bots are slightly worse shooters. |
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| 15:29.09 | blendmaster1024 | Cobra_Fast: and yes, my goal is pro bots, but that takes a little more work, and i want it to stop segfaulting for no reason *first*. |
| 15:29.46 | Cobra_Fast | the current bots are worst dodgers |
| 15:29.52 | Cobra_Fast | theyre always jumping |
| 15:29.54 | Cobra_Fast | they cant gap |
| 15:29.58 | blendmaster1024 | jumping? |
| 15:30.07 | blendmaster1024 | they don't ever jump... ever... |
| 15:30.12 | Cobra_Fast | they do |
| 15:30.15 | blendmaster1024 | or are you talking about autopilot? |
| 15:30.21 | blendmaster1024 | that's different code |
| 15:30.33 | blendmaster1024 | that i'm not going to change, only copy from |
| 15:31.18 | blendmaster1024 | also, when i figure out how to use bullet, i'm gonna replace the dynamics engine. but that's going to make it segfault worse :) |
| 15:31.45 | blendmaster1024 | and so, i set an onjoin for TimRikers: "blendmaster1024 wants to talk about code..." |
| 15:33.15 | blendmaster1024 | now he just needs to join the channel... any time now... it's not going to happen for a while.... |
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| 15:48.37 | BulletCatcher | blendmaster1024: TimRiker doesn't do much BZFlag coding any more. |
| 15:48.39 | BulletCatcher | The best way to get help is to just ask, and someone will usually respond when they get a chance. |
| 15:48.56 | blendmaster1024 | yes but he's still the maintainer and more importantly lives near me |
| 15:49.29 | blendmaster1024 | i want him because of that, not because of any way he's better for the job |
| 15:49.36 | blendmaster1024 | but i did ask |
| 15:49.39 | blendmaster1024 | :) |
| 15:50.19 | BulletCatcher | Do you have a stack trace from one of the segfaults? We'll need that to find the actual problem. |
| 15:50.31 | blendmaster1024 | not with me |
| 15:50.35 | blendmaster1024 | but i could get it |
| 15:51.12 | BulletCatcher | Do that, and pastebin it so we can see it without flooding the channel. |
| 15:51.15 | BulletCatcher | ~bzpastebin |
| 15:51.16 | ibot | methinks bzpastebin is http://pastebin.bzflag.bz or a place to put large chunks of text so as not to flood a channel |
| 15:51.17 | blendmaster1024 | it was something to do with graphics - i ran it through both gdb and valgrind to try to get a backtrace, they both pointed to something to do with the scenegraph i think |
| 15:51.28 | blendmaster1024 | i know :) |
| 15:51.41 | blendmaster1024 | but i already flooded the channel with useless words |
| 15:52.42 | blendmaster1024 | pulls out laptop to reproduce segfault |
| 15:54.31 | blendmaster1024 | ok, got the exit segfault in gdb, remind me how to dump core from gdb... |
| 15:54.51 | BulletCatcher | You don't need to dump core, just type "bt" to get the backtrace. |
| 15:55.01 | blendmaster1024 | oh ok, if that's all you want... |
| 15:55.13 | BulletCatcher | That's enough to get started. |
| 15:56.12 | blendmaster1024 | sure is. i assume you're going to want the patch too? |
| 15:56.24 | blendmaster1024 | so you have to code to read? |
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| 15:57.08 | blendmaster1024 | http://www.pasteall.org/10255 |
| 15:57.12 | blendmaster1024 | that's the backtrace |
| 15:58.00 | blendmaster1024 | however, being at school, i don't have the latest changes to the code i've made. they're at home on my desktop. |
| 15:58.29 | BulletCatcher | Which version of BZFlag? |
| 15:58.30 | blendmaster1024 | so this is not the segfault that really bothers me, this one is at quit, the one that is a problem prevents join game. |
| 15:58.33 | blendmaster1024 | 2.0.13. |
| 15:58.57 | blendmaster1024 | possibly with ubuntu patches - lemme find the link to the soruce i used |
| 15:59.43 | BulletCatcher | The developers are mostly interested in working with the 2.99.x trunk code now. |
| 15:59.44 | blendmaster1024 | http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/b/bzflag/bzflag_2.0.13.20080902-1build1.tar.gz |
| 16:00.12 | BulletCatcher | If you are hoping to contribute your changes to the project, then that would be the best code base to work with. |
| 16:00.33 | blendmaster1024 | which i should check out. but in the mean time, this is the code i had access to. i have the entire 9.10 repo +source on my hd :) ... and i would like to contrinbute but this is realyl for me. |
| 16:02.25 | blendmaster1024 | i'll get that now... if i can... hosted on sf.net, right? |
| 16:02.33 | BulletCatcher | Yes. |
| 16:02.38 | BulletCatcher | ~bzsvn |
| 16:02.39 | ibot | it has been said that bzsvn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag bzflag |
| 16:03.09 | blendmaster1024 | ok, good. i can't go to bzflag.org from school because it's blocked, but i can go to sf.net |
| 16:03.15 | BulletCatcher | :-) |
| 16:04.02 | blendmaster1024 | crap, must use loonix machine, i can't get at toruitysesvn. |
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| 16:44.02 | blendmaster1024 | what the...? there is a python bot? |
| 16:45.20 | blendmaster1024 | and the script is really small... |
| 16:45.22 | blast007 | bzrobots? |
| 16:45.43 | blendmaster1024 | i have no idea. i don't know anything about 2.0.x + |
| 16:45.54 | blast007 | well what code are you looking at? |
| 16:46.01 | blendmaster1024 | latest svn |
| 16:46.10 | blast007 | trunk or branch? |
| 16:46.18 | blendmaster1024 | uhhh... trunk |
| 16:46.25 | blendmaster1024 | what ibot said :) |
| 16:46.30 | blast007 | okay, and what part of the code are you looking at? ;) |
| 16:46.44 | trepan | bots/python/... ? |
| 16:46.46 | blendmaster1024 | bzflag/bots/* |
| 16:47.06 | blendmaster1024 | i see python files, a lua file, and some c++ |
| 16:47.31 | blendmaster1024 | this looks cool, is it still in testing? |
| 16:47.35 | blast007 | that would be bzrobots |
| 16:47.37 | blendmaster1024 | or earlier? |
| 16:47.44 | blendmaster1024 | ok. does it work at all? |
| 16:47.53 | blast007 | which isn't really targeted for general bots for playing against |
| 16:48.07 | blast007 | it's more for students doing AI |
| 16:48.11 | blendmaster1024 | ...then what is it supposed to do, and does it do it yet? |
| 16:48.54 | blast007 | it's based on the RoboCode API |
| 16:50.09 | blendmaster1024 | that's great, i don't know what that is. what is it supposed to do, and does it do it? |
| 16:50.26 | blast007 | 10:48:07 <+blast007> it's more for students doing AI |
| 16:50.58 | blendmaster1024 | i saw that already. that doesn't tell me what it's supposed to do. just what it's job is for. |
| 16:51.21 | blendmaster1024 | like, that's what the "supposed to do" that i'm looking for is supposed to do. get it? |
| 16:51.38 | blast007 | it gives students a programming interface that lets them test their ability to write AI programs :P |
| 16:51.51 | blendmaster1024 | ok. and how does it do that? |
| 16:52.07 | blast007 | it's not what you're looking for anyway |
| 16:52.11 | trepan | ~google robocode |
| 16:52.20 | blendmaster1024 | gets a little annoyed |
| 16:52.22 | trepan | (ah, no love) |
| 16:52.24 | blendmaster1024 | oh well |
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| 16:53.16 | blast007 | if you're intending to make a bot to play against real players, you're better off looking at either the solo bots or autopilot. there is also server-side bots that can be done as server plugins (and thus not require a graphical client), but I am not sure how far those got. worth a look though. |
| 16:53.35 | blendmaster1024 | i know that autopilot is a lot better than solo bots |
| 16:53.43 | blendmaster1024 | that's obvious jsut playing |
| 16:53.45 | blast007 | currently bzrobots still requires OpenGL because it shares a lot of unclean code with the graphical game client |
| 16:53.53 | blendmaster1024 | lol |
| 16:54.20 | blendmaster1024 | typical |
| 16:54.36 | blast007 | doesn't create a window, just needs it to build |
| 16:55.01 | blendmaster1024 | is there any documentation on the protocol that the client and server use to communicate? |
| 16:55.05 | blast007 | which is why server-side players might be better ;) |
| 16:55.08 | blendmaster1024 | i want to make a server with blender |
| 16:55.18 | blast007 | the code |
| 16:55.24 | blendmaster1024 | that uses blender's physics engine (aka bullet) |
| 16:55.40 | blast007 | there isn't any up-to-date documentation on the network protocol as it's still evolving in the trunk code |
| 16:55.51 | blendmaster1024 | "the code"... huh? uh-oh, do you mean that it's just write-and-go? |
| 16:56.12 | blendmaster1024 | oh yeah... i have a bug to tell the bugtracker about... |
| 16:56.36 | blast007 | ok |
| 16:57.15 | blendmaster1024 | i'll tell you, just in case you can help easily. |
| 16:57.22 | blendmaster1024 | composes description |
| 16:58.35 | blendmaster1024 | when i start a server on one machine, and connect from another, sometimes i can't spawn the tank for the first time (r-click) and the scoreboard is empty and i can't see any tanks, on radar or otherwise. |
| 16:58.48 | blendmaster1024 | this never happens when connecting to a server on localhost. |
| 16:59.10 | blendmaster1024 | this happened just as much on the trunk i compiled a month and a half ago. |
| 17:00.37 | blast007 | how many flags did you have? |
| 17:00.45 | blendmaster1024 | lol even with none. |
| 17:00.52 | blast007 | weird |
| 17:01.00 | blendmaster1024 | it does seem to be somewhat connected to flags but not completely |
| 17:01.13 | blendmaster1024 | it happens less with less flags but it still happens a LOT |
| 17:01.37 | blast007 | well, just a note that the "good" and "bad" keywords insert one of each good or bad flag, so +f good{10} doesn't add 10 flags, but 10 of every good flag ;) |
| 17:02.18 | blast007 | and at least with 2.0.x, that usually leads to some network buffer filling up when trying to send all of the flags |
| 17:02.23 | blast007 | moreso on Windows systems |
| 17:02.27 | trepan | authentication delay? |
| 17:02.38 | blendmaster1024 | i know what |
| 17:02.40 | blendmaster1024 | that* |
| 17:02.52 | blendmaster1024 | nope, all my systems are linux |
| 17:03.05 | blast007 | after a few seconds does it show you the players and let you spawn? and were you joining bots too? |
| 17:04.33 | blast007 | (and was it a public server?) |
| 17:05.32 | blendmaster1024 | no it never lets us in |
| 17:05.41 | blast007 | weird |
| 17:05.42 | blendmaster1024 | and it was a server i started on what of my systems |
| 17:05.49 | blendmaster1024 | well maybe it does |
| 17:05.51 | blast007 | have you tried just with a raw 'bzfs' ? |
| 17:05.59 | blendmaster1024 | but we only ever wait a minute or two - yes |
| 17:06.09 | blast007 | yeah, shouldn't take *that* long |
| 17:06.19 | blast007 | few seconds is normal after you get the map file |
| 17:06.21 | blendmaster1024 | some of the systems on my home network can't connect to any other machine's bzfs |
| 17:06.24 | blendmaster1024 | period |
| 17:06.41 | blast007 | not sure what's going on there |
| 17:06.45 | blendmaster1024 | and some of the systems, when they start a bzfs, none of the other machines can connect to it, period |
| 17:06.52 | blast007 | can you connect to servers hosted elsewhere? |
| 17:07.04 | blendmaster1024 | i'll bet it has something to do with lost udp packets |
| 17:07.24 | blendmaster1024 | no, but only because i can't try, i don't have internet at home (yet - getting it tomorrow) |
| 17:07.32 | blast007 | well, and we use TCP and UDP depending on the nature of the data |
| 17:07.59 | blast007 | so I would think stuff like getting the player names would be TCP |
| 17:08.07 | blast007 | and then the updates for player movement are UDP |
| 17:08.15 | blendmaster1024 | well, but it still doesn't work. that and segfaulting make me want to bash in the system, or at least the game |
| 17:08.24 | blendmaster1024 | ohhh that makes sense |
| 17:08.36 | blast007 | you could enable debug logging in the server ( -dddd ) to see if that sheds any light |
| 17:08.44 | blast007 | or even three d's |
| 17:09.07 | blendmaster1024 | i tried that already, both client and server. there is no difference from clients that don't work and clients that do in the logs. |
| 17:09.34 | blast007 | you don't see any weird connection reset? hmm |
| 17:09.39 | blendmaster1024 | nope. |
| 17:09.46 | blast007 | strange |
| 17:09.49 | blast007 | not sure what to tell ya |
| 17:10.00 | blendmaster1024 | see? i even kind of know what i'm doing and i can't figure it out!!! |
| 17:10.06 | blast007 | you don't have any firewalls set up? |
| 17:10.52 | blendmaster1024 | nope, checked iptables -L on all of them (at least i think that was the command) and there are no unusual (aka vanilla-kernel-default) rules |
| 17:10.56 | blendmaster1024 | at all |
| 17:10.59 | blast007 | k |
| 17:11.19 | blendmaster1024 | and, this isn't just on my home systems |
| 17:11.27 | blendmaster1024 | it happens all over the place |
| 17:11.32 | blast007 | strange |
| 17:11.39 | blast007 | I haven't had anything like that happen |
| 17:11.54 | blast007 | and I run a server on linux, and I play from linux at times |
| 17:12.03 | blendmaster1024 | it seemed to start at about 2.0.4 or there abotus |
| 17:12.06 | blendmaster1024 | abotus* |
| 17:12.11 | blendmaster1024 | argh, abouts* |
| 17:12.27 | blast007 | would be interesting to see if the older version do the same thing now though |
| 17:12.31 | blendmaster1024 | true |
| 17:12.55 | blendmaster1024 | it's not compatible though, i can't connect to a 2.0.13 server with a 2.0.4 client |
| 17:13.01 | blast007 | yes you can |
| 17:13.10 | blendmaster1024 | and i can't use all the features of the 2.0.13 server - YOU CAN!? |
| 17:13.10 | blast007 | 2.0.x is compatible with itself |
| 17:13.17 | blendmaster1024 | what the--? |
| 17:13.54 | blast007 | just like 1.10.x was compatible with itself |
| 17:14.12 | blendmaster1024 | it's not for me. when i try to play a 2.0.13 server with 2.0.4 and try to pick up wings, it freezes. |
| 17:14.24 | blast007 | sounds like you have some serious system issues then |
| 17:14.25 | blendmaster1024 | am i like bzflag-cursed or somthing?? |
| 17:15.02 | blast007 | have you tried reinstalling windows? ;) |
| 17:15.06 | blast007 | ducks |
| 17:15.51 | TheRedBaron | oh blast007, thats cold :P |
| 17:15.55 | blendmaster1024 | i don't want to blast ducks |
| 17:16.01 | blast007 | hehe |
| 17:16.12 | blast007 | TheRedBaron: some solutions are ;) |
| 17:16.25 | blendmaster1024 | and i don't want to play from windows because i can't recompile the game for windows, even though i do have windows installed |
| 17:16.35 | Dontkillme | blendmaster1024: No, not really... |
| 17:16.41 | blast007 | blendmaster1024: sure you can. |
| 17:16.52 | blast007 | Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition is free |
| 17:17.00 | blendmaster1024 | not it can't be done, i can't do it, yues i can. |
| 17:17.01 | blast007 | and works fine to build at least the trunk version of BZ |
| 17:17.02 | blendmaster1024 | LOL! |
| 17:17.06 | Dontkillme | (<blendmaster1024>[#bzflag] Dontkillme: who are you? as in are you a bzcoder?) |
| 17:17.20 | blendmaster1024 | still waiting for a reponse to that q |
| 17:17.33 | blast007 | they gave it |
| 17:17.33 | blendmaster1024 | gimme a link |
| 17:17.56 | blendmaster1024 | blast007: oh? |
| 17:18.55 | blast007 | blendmaster1024: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=visual+c%2B%2B+2008+express+edition |
| 17:19.34 | blast007 | it's a bit more "fun" to build 2.0.x, but I *think* it works |
| 17:20.03 | blast007 | 2.0.x is really supposed to be build with the 2003 version |
| 17:20.11 | Dontkillme | blast007: Is there a admin for the BZFlag Pastebin? |
| 17:20.17 | Dontkillme | Someone spammed it... |
| 17:20.29 | blast007 | Dontkillme: eh, they've been spamming it for the last, like, *year* |
| 17:20.39 | Dontkillme | oh |
| 17:20.42 | blast007 | :) |
| 17:20.52 | blast007 | one of these days I'll fix that |
| 17:20.54 | blendmaster1024 | blast007: lol |
| 17:20.55 | TheRedBaron | blast007: I haven't built it in a while, but i used to build 2.99 with Visual studio on an x64 system. |
| 17:21.07 | blast007 | I was going to integrate reCAPTCHA into it |
| 17:21.29 | blast007 | TheRedBaron: 2.99.x builds fine |
| 17:21.34 | blast007 | I was talking about 2.0.x |
| 17:22.16 | TheRedBaron | I was able to build that also. |
| 17:22.25 | blast007 | blendmaster1024: or you could always go the MinGW route, which should still work too ;) |
| 17:22.27 | TheRedBaron | granted that was almost a year ago :) |
| 17:22.33 | blast007 | TheRedBaron: k |
| 17:22.38 | blendmaster1024 | oh forget it linux is STILL easier |
| 17:22.46 | blendmaster1024 | i've gotta go |
| 17:22.52 | blendmaster1024 | thanks for the small amount of help |
| 17:22.58 | blast007 | yeah, cuz hitting F5 is so hard |
| 17:23.52 | spldart | 'small amount of help' ?!?! |
| 17:24.12 | spldart | Is he having fun burning a bridge? :~p |
| 17:28.30 | TheRedBaron | could be just me, but the libraries/dependencies are a bit easier to find/load on linux. |
| 17:30.28 | blast007 | shrugs |
| 17:30.39 | Dontkillme | Is it possible to make a kind of animation with .obj files? |
| 17:32.26 | blast007 | Dontkillme: you mean in a map file? |
| 17:32.45 | Dontkillme | blast007: Yeah |
| 17:33.08 | blast007 | cuz I imagine you could have multiple objects and then only show one at a time by using dynamic colors |
| 17:33.37 | blast007 | like the billboard on mofo |
| 17:34.52 | Dontkillme | Ok, thanks |
| 17:35.30 | trepan | LouMan's Mystic Valley has animated butterflies; and mofo has a 'running deer' animation, iirc |
| 17:37.16 | Dontkillme | I'm trying to make a kind of particle system |
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| 18:30.38 | JeffM | I've taken the store offline and put a parking page in it's place until brlcad can get the paypal worked out, we don't have enough money left on our limit to pay for shipping. |
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| 19:12.03 | JeffM | I assume that people would still prefer a store that dosn't require it's own login/personal info? |
| 19:13.39 | Cobra_Fast | what store? there is a bzflag fan store? :O |
| 19:13.47 | JeffM | fan? |
| 19:14.00 | Cobra_Fast | or did i understand something wrong |
| 19:14.01 | Cobra_Fast | hmm |
| 19:14.02 | JeffM | there is an official bzflag store where we have sold shirts, hoodies, and hats |
| 19:14.07 | Cobra_Fast | :O |
| 19:14.10 | JeffM | it's existed for years |
| 19:14.14 | Cobra_Fast | where (was it)? |
| 19:14.21 | JeffM | store.bzflag.bz |
| 19:14.26 | Cobra_Fast | :O |
| 19:14.40 | Cobra_Fast | im playing this game active for years but never heard about that before |
| 19:14.54 | JeffM | we used the left over money from our first SOC to make shirts |
| 19:15.06 | JeffM | then you don't read the fourms, or pay attention to IRC ;) |
| 19:15.47 | Cobra_Fast | im rarely in irc :p |
| 19:15.49 | JeffM | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=13381 http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=12444 http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=13060 |
| 19:16.03 | JeffM | we even had a contest to pick the last design we printed. |
| 19:16.07 | Cobra_Fast | i just saw the t-shirt threads and the shirt contest |
| 19:16.19 | Cobra_Fast | i always thought youve got to order them via PM to you or so |
| 19:16.22 | JeffM | they talk about the store, as in where you buy them :) |
| 19:16.46 | JeffM | the first line of the shirts thread is "The Shirts are in and the store is open and restocked; " |
| 19:16.51 | JeffM | with a link to the store |
| 19:17.21 | Cobra_Fast | o |
| 19:17.30 | Cobra_Fast | then i was blind again |
| 19:19.41 | blast007 | there's also a green link on the main site that says "Store" ;) |
| 19:19.51 | Cobra_Fast | i never look to the main site |
| 19:21.04 | temporalD | Cobra_Fast, mofo has a billboard regarding the store as well :) |
| 19:21.31 | temporalD | and there is a mention in the game's "message of the day (year)" |
| 19:21.41 | Cobra_Fast | god punch me |
| 19:21.43 | blast007 | it's everywhere ;) |
| 19:21.47 | Cobra_Fast | ouch |
| 19:21.50 | Cobra_Fast | thatd hurt |
| 19:22.13 | Cobra_Fast | BUT |
| 19:22.20 | Cobra_Fast | does the store ship to europe? |
| 19:22.31 | JeffM | yeah |
| 19:22.50 | Cobra_Fast | but additional 50$ fee? |
| 19:22.55 | JeffM | I can sell to anywhere that the US lets me |
| 19:22.56 | JeffM | no |
| 19:23.02 | JeffM | I only charge what it costs me |
| 19:23.19 | JeffM | I think it's like 12$ for the flat rate outside the US |
| 19:23.30 | Cobra_Fast | well thats ok |
| 19:23.36 | JeffM | and I can fit 2 or 3 shirts in there |
| 19:23.49 | JeffM | hoodies did cost more, they were like 30$ to ship cus they had to go in a box |
| 19:24.27 | Cobra_Fast | shirts fit in a 'letter' ? |
| 19:26.41 | blast007 | no, a larger envelope |
| 19:26.55 | JeffM | yeah it's the priority mail flat rate envelope |
| 19:26.59 | blast007 | like ne that could hold a piece of paper unfolded |
| 19:27.04 | blast007 | one* |
| 19:27.04 | JeffM | it's like 12 inches wide, 8 inches high |
| 19:28.29 | JeffM | https://shop.usps.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10052&productId=10000242&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=10000002&top_category=10000002&categoryId=10000036&top=%C2%A4tPage=0&sort=&viewAll=N&rn=CategoriesDisplay&WT.ac=10000242 |
| 19:28.37 | JeffM | that's what I use for internationals if I can |
| 19:28.46 | Cobra_Fast | ah ok i see |
| 19:28.48 | JeffM | it's the cheapest, and I can do a short customs form |
| 19:28.53 | JeffM | it seems to help them go faster |
| 19:29.01 | Cobra_Fast | ok ill defenitely check the store out when its back there |
| 19:29.15 | JeffM | I can use a tyvek bag too, but then I have to do a long form |
| 19:29.29 | JeffM | it won't be back untill we get paypal verified |
| 19:29.36 | JeffM | as I can't spend any money |
| 19:30.04 | JeffM | brlcad: has said he's workin on it, so we'll see |
| 19:36.15 | TheRedBaron | holy url batman |
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