| 00:09.04 | *** part/#bzflag mrapplecomputer1 (n=mrapplec@unaffiliated/mrapplecomputer1) |
| 00:09.11 | *** join/#bzflag mrapplecomputer1 (n=mrapplec@unaffiliated/mrapplecomputer1) |
| 00:33.33 | *** join/#bzflag mrapplecomputer1 (n=mrapplec@c-69-180-173-220.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 00:46.00 | *** join/#bzflag JeffM (n=JeffM@bzflag/projectadmin/JeffM) |
| 00:46.00 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM] by ChanServ |
| 00:50.53 | mrapplecomputer1 | JeffM: idea for 3.0 is something like SUPERKICK or something so you can kick people with antikick |
| 00:51.17 | mrapplecomputer1 | that was a badly structured senctenced. :| |
| 00:51.38 | me1 | iirc, a plugin can already do that in 2.x |
| 00:51.44 | mrapplecomputer1 | really? |
| 00:51.56 | mrapplecomputer1 | oh blast mentioned that iirc |
| 00:51.59 | mrapplecomputer1 | operator or something? |
| 00:54.36 | JeffM | if the owner wanted them to be able to be kicked, why would they have given them anti kick? |
| 00:58.01 | mrapplecomputer1 | maybe they dont want other people kicking them |
| 00:58.16 | JeffM | that's not what antikick is for |
| 00:58.29 | JeffM | if you give someone antikick you should never have reason to kick them |
| 00:58.32 | JeffM | aka you trust them |
| 00:58.56 | mrapplecomputer1 | k |
| 01:23.30 | JeffM | decides he's a horrible texture artist |
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| 02:05.23 | blast007 | JeffM: I'm thinking of a possible modification for how antiban works though - make idbans not respect it |
| 02:07.55 | blast007 | since a common use of it is for whitelisting |
| 02:08.30 | blast007 | and in the current way that works you can ban someone that "sneaks" into your server if they have antiban |
| 02:08.49 | blast007 | you'd have to go to the forum and remove them from the group before you could act |
| 02:10.23 | mrapplecomputer1 | one more suggestion: allow bzfs to take multiple -groupdb options so you can load two files |
| 02:10.48 | blast007 | why? |
| 02:11.12 | mrapplecomputer1 | so i dont have to combine them :P |
| 02:11.22 | blast007 | why can't you? |
| 02:12.19 | mrapplecomputer1 | i could, but id rather not |
| 02:16.04 | a_meteorite | cat groups.pre groups.post > groups |
| 02:16.07 | a_meteorite | put in automated script |
| 02:16.14 | a_meteorite | life becomes bliss |
| 02:19.58 | AAA_awright | I wish bliss was as easy as cat |
| 02:20.29 | temporalD | create lap - insert cat - bliss appears |
| 02:20.53 | AAA_awright | There's a really bad unix joke waiting to claw me in the face somewhere here |
| 02:21.03 | CIA-69 | BZFlag: 0366.30.201.47 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6846 10/w/Editing_by_Hand: /* Explanation of the Sample Code */ |
| 02:33.40 | mrapplecomputer1 | one more suggestion: /saveplugin ;) |
| 02:33.53 | blast007 | why the heck would that be useful? |
| 02:34.23 | mrapplecomputer1 | case i wanted ur operator plugin |
| 02:34.24 | mrapplecomputer1 | :P |
| 02:34.48 | blast007 | and having a compiled binary tied to a modified bzfs would help you...how? |
| 02:35.03 | mrapplecomputer1 | ummm |
| 02:35.13 | mrapplecomputer1 | lets say i wanted a different plugin that i didnt have |
| 02:35.17 | blast007 | exactly |
| 02:35.25 | blast007 | gah, lagging |
| 02:36.02 | blast007 | 3 second ping to router == bad |
| 02:36.12 | mrapplecomputer1 | hwh |
| 02:36.13 | blast007 | mrapplecomputer1: and again, that wouldn't help you in any way |
| 02:36.14 | mrapplecomputer1 | heh |
| 02:36.25 | mrapplecomputer1 | well it might for other plugins |
| 02:36.32 | blast007 | no |
| 02:36.54 | blast007 | besides, the plugin you want from me won't even work in 3.0 |
| 02:37.11 | blast007 | the thing that makes it work was changed ;) |
| 02:37.20 | mrapplecomputer1 | and that thing is :P |
| 02:39.35 | blast007 | the fact that the "operator" cannot override antikick |
| 02:40.21 | mrapplecomputer1 | Oh |
| 02:45.40 | *** join/#bzflag Bambino (n=Bambino@unaffiliated/sniper15) |
| 03:08.00 | *** join/#bzflag Landon__ (n=chatzill@174.44.37.56) |
| 03:12.12 | *** join/#bzflag llrr (n=llrr@76.73.16.26) |
| 03:12.24 | llrr | yes i got on! |
| 03:12.49 | *** join/#bzflag jcp (n=jw@unaffiliated/javawizard2539) |
| 03:15.25 | Bambino | llrr: congratz :P |
| 03:44.59 | llrr | how do you register your callsign here? |
| 03:46.01 | temporalD | llrr: /msg nickserv help |
| 03:46.12 | *** join/#bzflag jcp (n=jw@unaffiliated/javawizard2539) |
| 03:51.39 | *** part/#bzflag llrr (n=llrr@76.73.16.26) |
| 03:55.21 | *** join/#bzflag llrr1 (n=llrr1@76.73.16.26) |
| 03:55.39 | llrr1 | omg i just registered my nick but when i try to connect it says it's already in use :S |
| 03:55.48 | llrr1 | and then i get disconnected automatically... |
| 03:56.07 | blast007 | cuz it is |
| 03:56.11 | blast007 | it's still on here |
| 03:56.17 | blast007 | so ghost it off |
| 03:56.19 | llrr1 | how do you log out? |
| 03:56.20 | JeffM | leaving the room dosn't disconnect you |
| 03:56.23 | JeffM | yeah ghost it |
| 03:56.25 | blast007 | /ns help ghost |
| 03:56.30 | llrr1 | right |
| 03:56.36 | llrr1 | so theres no way to logout or something? |
| 03:56.46 | temporalD | quit the app? :) |
| 03:56.47 | llrr1 | and i can't even see my nick on here.. |
| 03:56.48 | JeffM | you can dissconnect from the server |
| 03:57.00 | Bambino | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:57.16 | JeffM | IRC itself dosn't do "logins" it's the nickserv that does it for you |
| 03:57.21 | llrr1 | right |
| 03:57.41 | llrr1 | ok so how do you get out then |
| 03:57.50 | llrr1 | i mean, i just closed the window before |
| 03:57.53 | llrr1 | and obviously it didn't work |
| 03:57.55 | JeffM | what IRC client are you uusing? |
| 03:58.14 | llrr1 | i dunno :S i just logged in from web irc online |
| 03:58.19 | JeffM | ahhh |
| 03:58.27 | JeffM | close that browser window then wait |
| 03:58.35 | llrr1 | there are irc clients?? |
| 03:58.41 | JeffM | yeah |
| 03:58.45 | llrr1 | hm |
| 03:58.55 | JeffM | the web interface is just for those that need instant help who don't have a real IRC client |
| 03:59.02 | llrr1 | ohh right |
| 03:59.04 | JeffM | it is very crummy |
| 03:59.12 | llrr1 | but everyone who's logged onto irc is shown here right? |
| 03:59.12 | temporalD | llrr1: what OS are you on? |
| 03:59.19 | llrr1 | windows xp |
| 03:59.39 | llrr1 | alright so what irc client should i use |
| 03:59.43 | llrr1 | i'll just dl one? |
| 03:59.44 | JeffM | xchat |
| 03:59.52 | JeffM | http://www.silverex.org/news/ |
| 04:00.16 | llrr1 | kk |
| 04:00.37 | llrr1 | so if i close my window here it should log me out yeah? |
| 04:01.00 | JeffM | probably |
| 04:01.06 | llrr1 | okies |
| 04:01.18 | llrr1 | i'll try to join from xchat |
| 04:03.31 | llrr1 | theres nowhere on there to enter my password |
| 04:03.38 | JeffM | yeah tehre is |
| 04:03.48 | JeffM | it's in the setup for the server |
| 04:03.57 | JeffM | has a nickserv password section |
| 04:04.17 | *** join/#bzflag JeffM2501 (n=JeffM@bzflag/projectadmin/JeffM) |
| 04:04.17 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 04:06.11 | llrr1 | ah it still says no identd response |
| 04:06.23 | blast007 | that doesn't matter |
| 04:06.30 | llrr1 | this is so confusing |
| 04:06.37 | llrr1 | ok so i went into edit on the freenode server |
| 04:06.44 | llrr1 | in the channel i type #bzflag right? |
| 04:06.49 | JeffM | sure |
| 04:06.54 | llrr1 | and password is my pass, and username i type llrr |
| 04:07.29 | llrr1 | * Looking up irc.freenode.net * Connecting to irc.freenode.net (82.96.64.4) port 6667... * Connected. Now logging in... * *** Looking up your hostname... * *** Found your hostname, welcome back * *** Checking ident * *** No identd (auth) response * nickname given |
| 04:07.36 | llrr1 | thats what i get |
| 04:07.41 | JeffM | ok and? |
| 04:07.47 | JeffM | that looks normal |
| 04:08.00 | llrr1 | * Closing Link: 127.0.0.1 (Connection Timed Out) * Disconnected (Remote host closed socket). |
| 04:08.08 | llrr1 | thats what it says after like 5 seconds |
| 04:08.19 | JeffM | sounds like you disco then |
| 04:08.25 | llrr1 | wah? |
| 04:08.35 | JeffM | disconnect |
| 04:08.41 | llrr1 | k |
| 04:08.44 | JeffM | probalby something on your local machine |
| 04:08.53 | blast007 | the 127.0.0.1 part is odd |
| 04:08.59 | JeffM | indeed |
| 04:09.03 | llrr1 | did i even connect to bzflag channel? |
| 04:09.06 | llrr1 | i didn't see anyone.. |
| 04:09.07 | blast007 | no reason it should be connecting to localhost |
| 04:09.15 | llrr1 | it just says i connected to freenode.. |
| 04:09.20 | JeffM | that'd be the server |
| 04:09.35 | llrr1 | yeah but doesn't it have manny channels? |
| 04:09.40 | llrr1 | it doesn't even show who's on.. |
| 04:09.45 | JeffM | it won't |
| 04:09.50 | llrr1 | oh |
| 04:09.56 | JeffM | the server has thousands of users and channels |
| 04:10.06 | JeffM | it dosn't show who is on untill you join a channel |
| 04:10.10 | JeffM | IRC is not AIM |
| 04:10.12 | blast007 | llrr1: try /join #bzflag |
| 04:10.24 | llrr1 | hmm, thats the problem i think |
| 04:10.29 | llrr1 | i don't think i joined the bzflag channel |
| 04:10.35 | blast007 | try that command ..... |
| 04:10.38 | llrr1 | i mean, i typed #bzflag in the favourite channel |
| 04:10.42 | llrr1 | k |
| 04:11.11 | *** join/#bzflag JeffM2501 (n=JeffM@bzflag/projectadmin/JeffM) |
| 04:11.11 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 04:11.27 | JeffM | should have auto joined you then |
| 04:11.28 | JeffM | does for me |
| 04:11.31 | llrr1 | after i typed that all it said was JOIN: REGISTER FIRST |
| 04:12.01 | blast007 | eh |
| 04:12.04 | JeffM2501 | we aint +r are we? |
| 04:12.16 | blast007 | then it sounds like you screwed up major |
| 04:12.17 | llrr1 | hm? |
| 04:12.22 | blast007 | what name are you using? |
| 04:12.27 | blast007 | llrr ? |
| 04:12.28 | llrr1 | llrr... |
| 04:12.33 | llrr1 | i just registered that |
| 04:12.37 | blast007 | well, you're not |
| 04:12.41 | llrr1 | how did i screw up lol |
| 04:12.43 | blast007 | that user is not on this server |
| 04:12.46 | llrr1 | i'm not what |
| 04:12.48 | blast007 | so you are not on freenode with that client |
| 04:12.50 | llrr1 | what! |
| 04:12.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah it is |
| 04:12.59 | JeffM2501 | 28-29NickServ28- Information on llrr (account llrr): |
| 04:12.59 | JeffM2501 | 28-29NickServ28- Registered : Jan 04 03:50:09 2010 (22 minutes, 31 seconds ago) |
| 04:12.59 | JeffM2501 | 28-29NickServ28- Last addr : n=llrr@76.73.16.26 |
| 04:13.00 | JeffM2501 | 28-29NickServ28- Last seen : Jan 04 03:56:47 2010 (15 minutes, 53 seconds ago) |
| 04:13.00 | JeffM2501 | 28-29NickServ28- Flags : HideMail |
| 04:13.03 | llrr1 | i just typed /msg register something |
| 04:13.09 | blast007 | JeffM2501: no, I mean, he's not JOINED as that name |
| 04:13.15 | blast007 | he registered via the web interface |
| 04:13.18 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's true |
| 04:13.31 | blast007 | so the registration is not the problem |
| 04:13.32 | JeffM2501 | llrr1, did you put llrr in as the username or the nick? |
| 04:13.38 | llrr1 | username |
| 04:13.43 | JeffM2501 | that'd be the problem |
| 04:13.45 | blast007 | username isn't the same |
| 04:13.47 | JeffM2501 | you want it as your nickname |
| 04:13.48 | llrr1 | lol ok |
| 04:13.52 | JeffM2501 | IRC is not bzflag |
| 04:13.54 | blast007 | put it for both username and nick |
| 04:14.17 | *** join/#bzflag llrr (n=llrr@219-90-148-102.ip.adam.com.au) |
| 04:14.21 | llrr | OMG |
| 04:14.22 | llrr | finally |
| 04:14.27 | llrr | hey :] xD |
| 04:14.28 | JeffM2501 | there ya go sparky |
| 04:14.51 | llrr | nickname and username is so different? :Sstupid thing :P |
| 04:15.04 | *** part/#bzflag llrr1 (n=llrr1@76.73.16.26) |
| 04:15.06 | JeffM2501 | no, one is your username on the system then other is the name you use for chat |
| 04:15.14 | blast007 | llrr [n=llrr@219-90-148-102.ip.adam.com.au] the first llrr is the nickname, and the part after n= is the username |
| 04:15.28 | JeffM2501 | it has to do with your host |
| 04:15.30 | llrr | ohhh ok |
| 04:15.40 | JeffM2501 | IRC is old, and based on a lot of old unixisms |
| 04:15.43 | llrr | wow adam.com.au?? |
| 04:15.48 | llrr | how did you get that :S |
| 04:15.51 | JeffM2501 | that's your host |
| 04:15.55 | JeffM2501 | who you connect from |
| 04:16.00 | llrr | ya |
| 04:16.01 | llrr | it is |
| 04:16.01 | blast007 | if you had identd working, you'd have i= followed by your username for the computer |
| 04:16.03 | JeffM2501 | it's part of the reverse DNS on your IP |
| 04:16.18 | blast007 | llrr: your IP or reverse DNS name gets sent when you join :P |
| 04:16.23 | JeffM2501 | the server knows your IP so it looked it up |
| 04:16.25 | llrr | right |
| 04:16.30 | llrr | of course |
| 04:16.31 | llrr | lol |
| 04:16.36 | llrr | sry i'm a bit noob at this |
| 04:16.47 | llrr | ok so i'm connected to the server right now yeah? |
| 04:16.50 | llrr | if i disconnect |
| 04:16.57 | llrr | i disconnect from the server, and from the channel |
| 04:16.59 | llrr | yea? |
| 04:17.01 | blast007 | right |
| 04:17.04 | JeffM2501 | yep |
| 04:17.11 | llrr | okay |
| 04:17.34 | llrr | are you guys always on here? |
| 04:17.43 | JeffM2501 | some stay loged in |
| 04:17.43 | Landon__ | They don |
| 04:17.48 | JeffM2501 | but everyone sleeps ;) |
| 04:17.49 | Landon__ | The don't sleep |
| 04:17.52 | llrr | lol |
| 04:17.57 | llrr | umm, do you ever see trb? |
| 04:18.10 | llrr | The Red Baron |
| 04:18.17 | blast007 | this isn't really the social channel, so no, not really here |
| 04:18.25 | blast007 | maybe on the chat channel ( #bzflag-chat ) |
| 04:18.27 | llrr | huh |
| 04:18.34 | llrr | whats this channel for then.. |
| 04:18.40 | JeffM2501 | development, help |
| 04:18.44 | llrr | ohhh |
| 04:18.52 | BulletCatcher | ~seen TheRedBaron |
| 04:18.55 | ibot | theredbaron is currently on ##kierra (3d 7h 24m 54s), last said: 'say, an orange GTO'. |
| 04:18.56 | llrr | whew i came to the right place then :P |
| 04:19.00 | *** join/#bzflag Constitution (n=const@bzflag/developer/Constitution) |
| 04:19.04 | blast007 | llrr: heh |
| 04:19.20 | llrr | wah, he is currently on kierra? |
| 04:19.30 | llrr | what does that mean |
| 04:19.37 | BulletCatcher | ##kierra is another channel |
| 04:19.37 | JeffM2501 | that's the channel he's on |
| 04:19.41 | JeffM2501 | there are many channels |
| 04:19.51 | llrr | well yeah.. but a kierra channel? lol :D |
| 04:19.59 | JeffM2501 | anyone can make a channel |
| 04:19.59 | blast007 | yeah, she has a channel |
| 04:20.01 | llrr | can i join multiple channels? |
| 04:20.04 | blast007 | sure |
| 04:20.06 | JeffM2501 | yup |
| 04:20.13 | blast007 | you can join up to 20 on freenode, I think |
| 04:20.16 | llrr | ookkkk |
| 04:21.36 | llrr | umm so how do i know how many bz channels are there |
| 04:21.40 | llrr | or how to search for them |
| 04:21.43 | Landon__ | Alot |
| 04:21.46 | Landon__ | Here |
| 04:21.51 | JeffM2501 | server menu, list channels |
| 04:21.53 | Landon__ | I'll give you some popular ones |
| 04:21.55 | Landon__ | Or that |
| 04:21.57 | Landon__ | haha |
| 04:21.58 | llrr | list channels is crazy though |
| 04:21.59 | llrr | isn't it? |
| 04:22.01 | BulletCatcher | There is a wiki page that lists them. |
| 04:22.05 | llrr | would be like thousands |
| 04:22.07 | JeffM2501 | you can filter it |
| 04:22.17 | JeffM2501 | not all the channels are for bzflag |
| 04:22.17 | llrr | but not all bzflag channels begin with #bzflag |
| 04:22.26 | JeffM2501 | most arnt |
| 04:22.27 | JeffM2501 | usualy they have it in the description |
| 04:22.31 | llrr | oh ok |
| 04:22.39 | Landon__ | #bzflag #bztraining ##guleague #bzflag-chat #bzfx #planetmofo ##bzexcess and more |
| 04:22.48 | llrr | ohh |
| 04:22.49 | llrr | cool |
| 04:22.49 | Landon__ | Just to start ^^ |
| 04:22.53 | blast007 | the last one there being the best, of course |
| 04:22.55 | blast007 | ;) |
| 04:22.58 | llrr | are they all in your favourites lan? |
| 04:23.30 | llrr | hmm, how do you add favourites channels to a server |
| 04:23.34 | brad | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Irc < |
| 04:23.37 | Landon__ | No, I'm using a firefox app *no laughing* saves em |
| 04:23.43 | llrr | heh |
| 04:23.49 | llrr | rofl :D |
| 04:24.02 | JeffM2501 | doubtful |
| 04:24.15 | Landon__ | Chatzilla, easy to use but you'll run into criticism :P |
| 04:24.24 | JeffM2501 | it's functional |
| 04:25.47 | llrr | is there a channel for badgers? |
| 04:25.57 | llrr | and other leagues? |
| 04:26.02 | llrr | duc, ol, pb |
| 04:26.15 | Landon__ | I'm sure |
| 04:26.46 | JeffM2501 | read the wiki brad showed you |
| 04:28.30 | Constitution | can elements of a replay file (such as certain PMs or admin messages) be removed from the replay file and it still work? |
| 04:28.52 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 04:28.59 | JeffM2501 | as long as they don't change the game state |
| 04:29.10 | JeffM2501 | chat should not affect the state |
| 04:29.23 | JeffM2501 | but like a /set would probably screw something up |
| 04:29.37 | llrr | how do you join a favourite channel you've saved? |
| 04:29.41 | blast007 | even the actual '/set' command could be removed |
| 04:29.50 | llrr | when i go into the server tab and join a channel it doesn't have that, just lists everything.. |
| 04:29.52 | blast007 | the chat message, I mean |
| 04:29.54 | JeffM2501 | yeah just not the packet the updates the messages |
| 04:30.02 | blast007 | yup |
| 04:30.20 | JeffM2501 | llrr, this isn't a place to learn xchat, use google |
| 04:30.37 | llrr | ! but you could tell me :D |
| 04:30.40 | JeffM2501 | you were given a brain for a reason, give a little work out |
| 04:30.46 | llrr | my brain is dead |
| 04:30.49 | Landon__ | ... |
| 04:30.54 | JeffM2501 | then us telling you would be pointless |
| 04:30.57 | llrr | thats what bzflag does to you after a while |
| 04:31.02 | Landon__ | Google: How to use xcode |
| 04:31.04 | Landon__ | That simple |
| 04:31.06 | JeffM2501 | specialy since you are intrupting another discussion with it |
| 04:31.09 | llrr | xcode? |
| 04:31.13 | JeffM2501 | xchat |
| 04:31.14 | llrr | ohhh sorry |
| 04:31.15 | Landon__ | Woops |
| 04:31.31 | JeffM2501 | how old are you llrr ? |
| 04:31.35 | Landon__ | Haha, now I'm confusing myself.. I'll go |
| 04:31.35 | llrr | but then again you should be able to multitask :P |
| 04:31.37 | temporalD | move one discussion to ##bzflag-chat |
| 04:31.41 | JeffM2501 | Constitution, trying to remove the bad things from them? |
| 04:31.42 | llrr | 17 |
| 04:31.51 | JeffM2501 | llrr, you act a log younger |
| 04:32.00 | llrr | thats good, i'm not that old yet |
| 04:32.19 | JeffM2501 | no, no its not |
| 04:32.25 | llrr | hehe |
| 04:32.36 | llrr | tis ok i won't interupt anymore |
| 04:33.09 | llrr | oh just so you know...my name doesn't have a yellow dot next to it |
| 04:33.13 | llrr | so i guess i'm still not registered :S |
| 04:33.22 | Landon__ | llrr, Google |
| 04:33.24 | JeffM2501 | you can if its a valid question, not something you can easaly google |
| 04:33.29 | Constitution | JeffM2501: thinking about removing sensitive chat from replay files so they can safely be made available to the public |
| 04:34.06 | Constitution | would be especially nice if a script could do it so it could be automated |
| 04:34.29 | llrr | oh wait nvm |
| 04:34.51 | JeffM2501 | Constitution, yeah that wasn't realy what those files were meant to be used for |
| 04:34.56 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure you could script it up |
| 04:35.08 | JeffM2501 | just remove all the chat MSGs |
| 04:35.10 | JeffM2501 | it should be fine |
| 04:35.35 | mebigfatguy | was wondering how Constitution was going to determine if a message was sensitive -- phew |
| 04:35.43 | temporalD | only public chat is recorded, IIRC |
| 04:35.45 | JeffM2501 | yeah I'd just remove them all |
| 04:36.07 | JeffM2501 | that way it'd be easy to do, and you know you'd be "safe" |
| 04:36.24 | Constitution | for league applications, I'd probably just remove PMs and admin chat |
| 04:36.30 | Constitution | if that is possible |
| 04:36.46 | JeffM2501 | you'd have to unpack the message and find the recipient |
| 04:37.00 | JeffM2501 | as the replay file is just packet data IIRC |
| 04:37.12 | Constitution | since people typically view them to see what happened with a shot, and cries of "HAX and "THRU" are good markers *duck* |
| 04:37.15 | mebigfatguy | +1's JeffM's 'remove um all' speach |
| 04:37.28 | Constitution | hm ok |
| 04:37.58 | JeffM2501 | a replay is not 100% accurate to what happened when it was recorded |
| 04:38.01 | Constitution | typically things said in public during a league match are not considered sensitive |
| 04:38.31 | JeffM2501 | there is no record of client lag in the simulation |
| 04:38.51 | Constitution | true, but people are always looking for new reasons to think someone who is better than them is cheating |
| 04:39.10 | JeffM2501 | some player or some gu admin ;) |
| 04:39.23 | Constitution | a few of both, I'm thinking |
| 04:41.13 | BulletCatcher | The output of /lagstats commands is included in replay files. |
| 04:41.30 | JeffM2501 | yeah but that lag isn't used in the resulting simulation |
| 04:41.38 | JeffM2501 | what is shown is only what the server saw |
| 04:41.46 | JeffM2501 | in most cases it dosn't matter |
| 04:42.11 | Constitution | sometimes clients drop packets, and there's no way the server can know that... afaik |
| 04:42.30 | JeffM2501 | there is, but it'd be a big pain |
| 04:42.40 | JeffM2501 | we could do a lot more stuff to be robust |
| 04:42.46 | JeffM2501 | but usualy it's not needed |
| 04:42.54 | JeffM2501 | simpler to just make eveyrone run off the same sim |
| 04:42.58 | JeffM2501 | then it's not an issue |
| 04:43.05 | brad | Constitution: need to keep the lagstats output though (thx for the reminder BulletCatcher) if you're going to filter the recording files. we use that to get the player lists in replays, right? |
| 04:43.37 | Constitution | right |
| 04:43.45 | blast007 | brad: I'd think you could read the MsgEnter's for all that |
| 04:44.25 | Constitution | I think replay starts at end of countdown, at which time everyone is usually joined already |
| 04:44.32 | brad | blast007: unless they didn't join before it started |
| 04:44.36 | brad | yeah what he said |
| 04:44.41 | blast007 | Constitution: I think it still might have to pack them for the replay to work |
| 04:44.45 | brad | I mean did join before* |
| 04:44.52 | Constitution | ah |
| 04:44.58 | blast007 | otherwise how would the replay server know the player names? |
| 04:45.15 | blast007 | so they're in there somewhere |
| 04:45.20 | brad | that's true...the scoreboard still works in the replays |
| 04:45.33 | JeffM2501 | it just stores the packets |
| 04:45.44 | JeffM2501 | so the server sees what they send on join |
| 04:45.53 | blast007 | JeffM2501: right, but it would have to shove in player names somewhere |
| 04:46.02 | JeffM2501 | they are part of the packet |
| 04:46.11 | JeffM2501 | when you join you send your username and token |
| 04:46.19 | JeffM2501 | so that'd be in the packed message |
| 04:46.26 | blast007 | right, talking about users that are already on when the recording starts |
| 04:47.03 | JeffM2501 | I belive it dumps out a set of packets for player info, just like as if a new player connected |
| 04:47.03 | AAA_awright | It doesn't record the MsgPing packets? (I forget) |
| 04:47.21 | AAA_awright | (MsgLagPing?) |
| 04:47.21 | JeffM2501 | so then at the start of the recording it can read that and populate the player list |
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| 04:47.37 | JeffM2501 | it may, it'll never get a responce ;) |
| 04:48.57 | JeffM2501 | the fake players in a replay don't have valid NetHandlers so I don't think it tries to send em out |
| 04:49.43 | blast007 | hmm, and I bet when you skip through a replay (/replay skip) it probably reads the replay from the start all the way to that point in order to get a list of who is online at that point in time ;) |
| 04:50.03 | JeffM2501 | yeah it'd have to, to get a valid state |
| 04:50.26 | JeffM2501 | normaly it just uses the packets when the time in the timestamp comes up, for a skip it just blasts them out as fast as it can |
| 04:50.36 | blast007 | never really thought about it until now. but it explains the delay when skipping. |
| 04:51.36 | Quol | just wondering (since you are talking about replays) - can one "hack" the replay file to remove all the chat, and not totally screw up the file? |
| 04:51.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's what we sait at the start |
| 04:52.06 | JeffM2501 | just take out the chat MSGs |
| 04:52.08 | AAA_awright | You might need to change some length data |
| 04:52.18 | JeffM2501 | not if you yank the entire message |
| 04:52.45 | JeffM2501 | or do you mean length in the replay file it'sef? |
| 04:53.17 | AAA_awright | iirc there was a packet count in the header, maybe I am confusing that with time duration |
| 04:53.33 | JeffM2501 | yeah if there is some sort of count there you'd have to mod it |
| 04:53.49 | JeffM2501 | tho I don't see how it'd need one, as it could just read untill the end |
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| 05:57.49 | JeffM2501 | ok so maybe Taco Bell wasn't the best lunch choice :/ |
| 05:59.36 | blast007 | heh |
| 05:59.50 | blast007 | so you got the $0.89 colon clenser? |
| 06:00.49 | JeffM2501 | There is angry demon in my gut, it roars in rage but has yet to be set free. |
| 06:01.04 | blast007 | hehe |
| 06:01.20 | JeffM2501 | a gurgle was so loud my cat looked up |
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| 06:54.03 | Landon__ | Anyone elses client just go NR? |
| 06:54.09 | blast007 | nope |
| 06:54.11 | blast007 | just you |
| 06:54.15 | a_meteorite | I'm not on bz, so no |
| 06:55.09 | Landon__ | Huh, it was odd.. Connection was fine but the message of the day ect wasnt showing and I was able to connect to servers to servers |
| 06:55.16 | Landon__ | Ignore the last two words |
| 06:55.27 | Landon__ | Lasted for a good 5 minutes |
| 06:55.29 | Landon__ | Odd |
| 06:55.49 | a_meteorite | that's not NR |
| 06:55.55 | blast007 | your IRC connection dropped too |
| 06:56.04 | Landon__ | Well blast, I quit IRC |
| 06:56.06 | Landon__ | Awhile ago |
| 06:56.13 | Landon__ | And I went NR during a match |
| 06:56.14 | blast007 | not cleanly |
| 06:56.15 | Landon__ | So |
| 06:56.18 | a_meteorite | that's not being able to access list server |
| 06:56.26 | blast007 | 00:52:00 -!- Landon__ [n=chatzill@174.44.37.56] has quit [Remote closed the connection] |
| 06:56.26 | Landon__ | I force quit blast, I'm lazy like that |
| 06:56.29 | blast007 | 00:53:30 -!- Landon__ [n=chatzill@174.44.37.56] has joined #bzflag |
| 06:56.30 | blast007 | o.O |
| 06:56.38 | Landon__ | hah |
| 06:57.43 | Landon__ | a_meteorite: the odd thing is I could still see other tanks moving and typing, I just couldn't interact |
| 06:58.26 | Landon__ | Never really gone NR before though.. Nothing for comparison ^^ |
| 07:00.31 | a_meteorite | Landon__: were they moving in like circles? |
| 07:00.54 | Landon__ | Nope, completely normal |
| 07:01.06 | Landon__ | Like I said, they were chatting about my going NR |
| 07:01.09 | jcp | blast007: an unclean quit would be a ping timeout |
| 07:01.21 | blast007 | jcp: not always |
| 07:01.39 | jcp | well, "remote closed the connection" means that the remote sent a TCP packet closing the connection |
| 07:01.49 | blast007 | why wouldn't it? |
| 07:01.57 | blast007 | the OS knows the connection is null and void |
| 07:02.09 | jcp | no, I meant if the cable got yanked or if something happened to the internet |
| 07:02.28 | a_meteorite | like if one of the tubes started leaking |
| 07:02.29 | a_meteorite | I hate that |
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| 07:24.26 | Landon__ | Uh, it did it again |
| 07:24.35 | Landon__ | I can see everything everybody else does |
| 07:24.44 | Landon__ | But I can't interact |
| 07:26.16 | blast007 | half your connection is going down then ;) |
| 07:26.51 | Landon__ | Well, who should I blame |
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| 13:31.45 | TheRedBaron | is passing set variables through the conf file to bzfs deprecated in .12 ? |
| 13:35.25 | TheRedBaron | ah - it got moved to -vars |
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| 17:58.50 | Andrew-by | Hi everyone! |
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| 18:29.13 | blast007 | TheRedBaron: uh, you can still use -set in the config file. |
| 18:29.53 | blast007 | -vars is only if you want to pass a vars file |
| 18:30.03 | blast007 | and that has been there for a looong time as well |
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| 19:01.44 | TheRedBaron | blast007: define long time? :) |
| 19:03.08 | blast007 | years and years |
| 19:03.32 | blast007 | probably since very early versions of 2.0.x |
| 19:03.47 | blast007 | unless 1.10 had bzdb variables |
| 19:03.50 | blast007 | can't recall |
| 19:06.26 | TheRedBaron | blast007: my ignorance then. |
| 19:06.48 | TheRedBaron | but .12 bzfs was complaining about: -set _rejointime 0 |
| 19:06.59 | blast007 | it's probably _rejoinTime |
| 19:07.42 | trepan | and that's why i made -set strict ... |
| 19:07.46 | TheRedBaron | blast007: i just threw it in a var file and it worked. And this server has been running for a year and half, with no var changes. just a recent update from .10 to .12 |
| 19:08.20 | blast007 | const std::string StateDatabase::BZDB_REJOINTIME = std::string("_rejoinTime"); |
| 19:08.24 | blast007 | capital t |
| 19:08.38 | blast007 | and you should be running 2.0.13 anyway |
| 19:08.46 | TheRedBaron | oh joy |
| 19:08.54 | blast007 | unless you enjoy the /me exploit that sk3 uses |
| 19:09.18 | TheRedBaron | hrm, what exactly is this exploit? |
| 19:09.31 | blast007 | that he can set messages that don't show a name |
| 19:09.34 | blast007 | send* |
| 19:10.04 | blast007 | at least, not in the client |
| 19:10.42 | blast007 | the implementation of /me in 2.0.x is hackish, and he takes advantage of the special format that we send to make a message act like an action |
| 19:11.05 | blast007 | so I put an even more hackish fix in 2.0.x SVN ;) |
| 19:11.07 | TheRedBaron | I'm running a match server for guleague. can i assume he can't send the message if he doesn't have talk perms ? |
| 19:11.14 | blast007 | (and fixed it for real in trunk) |
| 19:11.18 | blast007 | then you're probably fine |
| 19:11.24 | blast007 | yes |
| 19:12.25 | JeffM | 1.10 had bzdb |
| 19:12.32 | JeffM | bzdb was added in .18 |
| 19:12.34 | JeffM | 1.8 |
| 19:12.48 | JeffM | purplecow moved it into the mainline IIRC |
| 19:16.46 | TheRedBaron | larts JeffM for old time's sake |
| 19:16.47 | blast007 | yeah, looks like 1.10 only has -vars and not -set |
| 19:16.48 | TheRedBaron | ~lart JeffM |
| 19:16.48 | ibot | pours gasoline all over JeffM, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 19:17.12 | JeffM | aww. I'm made of asbestos, you have cancer now ;) |
| 19:17.21 | blast007 | hehe |
| 19:18.29 | bryjen | ~seen purplecow |
| 19:18.30 | ibot | bryjen: i haven't seen 'purplecow' |
| 19:18.45 | JeffM | he's on facebook :) |
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| 19:19.08 | bryjen | wonders if there's rehab for that |
| 19:19.21 | JeffM | I think it's called life |
| 19:20.37 | JeffM | tho he does update more often then I do |
| 19:21.08 | bryjen | hrm |
| 19:21.17 | bryjen | ~seen purple_cow |
| 19:21.18 | ibot | purple_cow <n=david@208.69.182.150> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 394d 17h 19m 40s ago, saying: 'why not?!'. |
| 19:21.27 | bryjen | under-scorey |
| 19:24.47 | Constitution | TheRedBaron: you got the note about replays not being saved on inex? |
| 19:25.07 | Constitution | I told llrr to find an IRC client and tell you :) |
| 19:25.36 | JeffM | heh, just over a year ago |
| 19:25.57 | TheRedBaron | Constitution: yup - just got it fixed. |
| 19:26.13 | Constitution | k |
| 19:26.24 | TheRedBaron | odd that it stopped working on sep 30. |
| 19:26.25 | Constitution | JeffM was probably ready to kill me for telling llrr to get on here ;) |
| 19:26.42 | TheRedBaron | well don't tell him it was my fault that brought him here! |
| 19:26.45 | JeffM | he wasn't too bad |
| 19:26.49 | TheRedBaron | he's always looking for excuses to have my head |
| 19:26.50 | JeffM | I've seen worse |
| 19:26.53 | JeffM | even tho he acts 15 |
| 19:27.56 | Constitution | he asked me to tell you at first, and I was like uh no |
| 19:29.46 | Constitution | we are big fans of do-it-yourself and figure-it-out here :) |
| 19:30.54 | TheRedBaron | yup |
| 19:34.41 | Constitution | out of curiosity, what was the problem? |
| 19:37.52 | TheRedBaron | incorrect .so file versions. |
| 19:38.54 | TheRedBaron | why that was a problem was beyond me. |
| 19:39.19 | TheRedBaron | server was running fine into dec |
| 19:40.38 | TheRedBaron | but was only recording matches until sep 30. |
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| 19:48.03 | TheRedBaron | when i rebuilt from .12 source, it dumped the .so files in bzflag/bin/lib/bzflag. vs bzflag/bin/lib |
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| 19:52.06 | catay | till what age needs a player parental approval to register at bzbb? |
| 19:54.02 | temporalD | 13 |
| 19:57.57 | CIA-69 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r20703 10/trunk/bzflag/README.WINDOWS: x86, not x68 |
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| 20:38.40 | JeffM | catay: if they are under 13 we need permission to store data for them |
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| 21:08.07 | catay | JeffM & temporalD : ok. thanks. |
| 21:08.42 | Runic | was reading the ibots logs from a couple of days ago and noticed some of you were speaking about using a custom captcha with phpbb 3 - I have one I wrote as a small java class, that I easliy plugged into phpbb 2 as a replacement of the default captcha, if your interested. Been using if for a good while now and it has stopped the spaming on my forums |
| 21:08.58 | JeffM | all the parents have to do is send tim an email giving us permission to store data for them catay |
| 21:09.28 | catay | ok. because there was some player that got such a mail but said he was not able to send it back or something |
| 21:09.41 | JeffM | catay: what player? |
| 21:09.55 | JeffM | cus we don't send out a mail for it, they have to send it to us. |
| 21:10.02 | catay | gfd |
| 21:10.07 | JeffM | Runic: I think the idea was to make one that refrenced the game |
| 21:10.12 | catay | thats the callsign |
| 21:10.14 | JeffM | catay: how old did they say they were? |
| 21:10.32 | catay | he said he was 12 |
| 21:11.37 | catay | but later I noticed he was registered, so he might have cheated :) |
| 21:12.10 | JeffM | where did he tell this to you? |
| 21:12.22 | catay | in-game |
| 21:13.55 | JeffM | he no longer has an account |
| 21:15.23 | catay | he said to me : 'It asks my parents name and sign and date' |
| 21:15.40 | JeffM | we accept an email from them as well |
| 21:15.45 | JeffM | but yes legaly they need to send us a letter |
| 21:16.05 | JeffM | doesn't matter I deleted the account. |
| 21:16.09 | JeffM | and sent him an email |
| 21:16.29 | catay | ok. i'll tell him also next time I see him |
| 21:17.00 | JeffM | if he continues to register and not have them send in permission then I'll have to ban him |
| 21:17.31 | catay | let's hope he is one of the smarter kids :) |
| 21:17.44 | JeffM | many are not |
| 21:17.54 | JeffM | most don't even understand the law |
| 21:18.15 | JeffM | it's not that they need permission to use BZBB, we need permission to store personal data for them. |
| 21:19.05 | catay | That's a US law? |
| 21:19.06 | JeffM | permission for the child to use the computer is between the child and parrent, we just don't want to get sued for keeping data we should not have |
| 21:19.08 | JeffM | yeah |
| 21:19.16 | JeffM | and that's where the data is stored |
| 21:20.00 | JeffM | in sunny Florida :) |
| 21:20.01 | catay | Not sure if we have something similar in Europe, we probably do. |
| 21:20.25 | Runic | What part of Florida? |
| 21:20.31 | JeffM | probalby, there are lots of laws to protect children from getting abused by companies |
| 21:20.39 | JeffM | the server is in Tampa IIRC |
| 21:21.17 | Runic | cool - not to far away from me then |
| 21:21.54 | JeffM | unless brlcad had it moved to atlanta |
| 21:21.59 | JeffM | I know mine is in tampa |
| 21:22.24 | Runic | well I about in the middle of the 2 - central flora |
| 21:22.41 | Runic | s/flora/Florida |
| 21:23.23 | JeffM | I'd prefer a more northerly data center personally, but the the price was right |
| 21:23.36 | JeffM | if I could get one of similar type in Vegas I'd do it |
| 21:24.34 | Runic | don't know of any to suggest in Vegas, but I bet if you look hard enough, you'll find one |
| 21:24.51 | JeffM | not worth it :) |
| 21:25.18 | JeffM | now that Erroneous isn't eating all our ram :) |
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| 21:38.28 | blast007 | TheRedBaron: if you do 'make install', you don't need to give the path to the plugin. you can just do -loadplugin torBlock (for example) |
| 21:39.41 | blast007 | and if you have any 3rd party plugins, you may have to update the Makefile.am so that it installs to the same location (I think it's just using pkglib_LTLIBRARIES instead of lib_LTLIBRARIES) |
| 21:44.01 | TheRedBaron | blast007: serves me right for using fully qualified pathnames i guess |
| 21:45.17 | blast007 | (note that I also didn't include the extension) |
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