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| 05:34.22 | blairzy | how often is trepan around? |
| 05:34.36 | blairzy | i wanted to chat with him about some bzflag graphics stuff |
| 05:37.46 | trepan | ah, just missed him |
| 05:40.14 | JeffM | yeah that was a hella long 4 min :) |
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| 07:27.00 | blairzy | ... |
| 07:29.35 | Gabe_G23 | Yes? |
| 07:29.36 | blairzy | any bzflag graphics / opengl coders here? |
| 07:30.10 | Gabe_G23 | Of course there are, this is the development channel... |
| 07:31.08 | blairzy | are you one? |
| 07:31.21 | Gabe_G23 | no |
| 07:31.36 | blairzy | i hear trepan is |
| 07:31.40 | blairzy | what do you code? |
| 07:31.40 | Gabe_G23 | Yes |
| 07:31.43 | Gabe_G23 | nothing |
| 07:31.51 | Gabe_G23 | I just like watching the dev process |
| 07:32.08 | Gabe_G23 | 23:31 -!- blairzy [n=blair@64-46-12-210.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #bzflag |
| 07:32.08 | Gabe_G23 | 23:34 < blairzy> how often is trepan around? |
| 07:32.08 | Gabe_G23 | 23:35 < blairzy> i wanted to chat with him about some bzflag graphics stuff |
| 07:32.08 | Gabe_G23 | 23:37 -!- blairzy [n=blair@64-46-12-210.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit ["Leaving"] |
| 07:32.08 | Gabe_G23 | 23:38 <+trepan> ah, just missed him |
| 07:32.10 | Gabe_G23 | 23:40 <@JeffM> yeah that was a hella long 4 min :) |
| 07:32.29 | blairzy | ever seen anyone try to introduce glsl shaders into the thing? |
| 07:33.07 | blairzy | looks like you have logs... |
| 07:33.11 | Gabe_G23 | Not sure --> :( |
| 07:33.24 | Gabe_G23 | You can always look at their SVN repo |
| 07:33.42 | Gabe_G23 | check for mentions of it |
| 07:33.44 | blairzy | i am hacking on the 2.0.12 code base, i might pull the svn down |
| 07:33.51 | Gabe_G23 | or forums (http://my.bzflag.org/bb) |
| 07:34.06 | blairzy | blast suggested i try here |
| 07:34.21 | Gabe_G23 | This isn't exactly the channels most active time of the day |
| 07:34.24 | Gabe_G23 | ;) |
| 07:34.57 | Gabe_G23 | Mine either - gonna go sleep, sorry I could not chat any longer :) |
| 07:34.58 | blairzy | i have got some rudimentary ambient occlusion multitexturing going, but right now only for ground |
| 07:35.02 | blairzy | ... |
| 07:35.14 | blairzy | ok goodnight then |
| 07:35.17 | Gabe_G23 | goodnight |
| 07:35.22 | Gabe_G23 | Hope you get your help tomorrow |
| 07:36.09 | BulletCatcher | blairzy: If you want there to be any chance of your changes to be included in the official BZFlag sources you should work on the trunk (2.99.x) code instead of 2.0.12. |
| 07:37.00 | blairzy | hey bullet |
| 07:37.11 | blairzy | i will pull those over |
| 07:37.22 | blairzy | are you familiar with the graphics code? |
| 07:37.28 | BulletCatcher | Not really. |
| 07:37.36 | blairzy | heh |
| 07:37.45 | blairzy | are you a coder? |
| 07:37.53 | BulletCatcher | Yes, I am a developer. |
| 07:38.24 | blairzy | networking stuff then? |
| 07:39.00 | BulletCatcher | My specialty is the configuration system, but I dabble in almost all parts of the code. |
| 07:40.01 | blairzy | how is your knowledge of bzw syntax? |
| 07:40.19 | BulletCatcher | I have coded a couple of maps by hand. |
| 07:41.30 | blairzy | i am trying to do an ambient occlusion bake of a map, then use this in a multitexturing ogl setup to make the world seem more realistic |
| 07:41.49 | blairzy | i have the ground done, but objects are now a stumble |
| 07:42.00 | blairzy | ... pulling svn now |
| 07:42.03 | BulletCatcher | That is way beyond my capability. Sorry. |
| 07:42.07 | blairzy | heh |
| 07:42.33 | blairzy | well it makes for some nice shadows :) |
| 07:51.34 | blairzy | it seems that with meshboxes you only get to define 'outside', not the various walls |
| 07:52.35 | BulletCatcher | If you need more control then use a plain mesh. |
| 07:53.14 | blairzy | ah, broken out texture coordinates |
| 07:53.57 | BulletCatcher | Yes. With a mesh you can define both sides if you want. |
| 07:54.35 | BulletCatcher | By "define" I mean "add textures to". |
| 07:55.53 | blairzy | i guess this is a graphics q, but maybe you know |
| 07:56.07 | blairzy | with the simple box, you get some smart LOD stuff in the code, does this happen with meshes? |
| 07:56.08 | trepan | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Box |
| 07:56.29 | blairzy | ah hi trepan, blast said you are the graphics guy to chat with? |
| 07:56.54 | trepan | i've been there and done that, twice |
| 07:57.27 | blairzy | where did you go twice? |
| 07:57.38 | trepan | glsl support for bzflag |
| 07:57.38 | blairzy | and what did you do there? |
| 07:57.44 | blairzy | oh, twice, bummer |
| 07:57.48 | trepan | with shadow mapping, relief shaders, etc... |
| 07:57.57 | trepan | didn't commit the engine code the first time |
| 07:57.57 | blairzy | relief shaders = displacement? |
| 07:58.06 | trepan | pulled the lua based OGL control the second time |
| 07:58.22 | trepan | no, relief mapping is not the same as displacement mapping |
| 07:58.28 | blairzy | what is relief mapping? |
| 07:59.01 | trepan | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relief_mapping_(computer_graphics) |
| 07:59.07 | trepan | you only get the first google free ;) |
| 07:59.26 | blairzy | well as much fun as glsl is, i figured you guys seem a little 90s in the graphics depo, so i thought i would stick to multitexturing |
| 08:00.13 | trepan | had that one in there the first time too (required for any kind of interesting shader techniques, ex: relief mapping) |
| 08:00.22 | trepan | looks for some pics |
| 08:01.44 | blairzy | well you could get procedural, you don't necessarily need multitexturing, but yeah, you want multitexturing for pretty much everything |
| 08:01.55 | blairzy | cool |
| 08:01.56 | blairzy | well |
| 08:02.11 | blairzy | i guess then that it isn't in there now? what happened? |
| 08:02.44 | trepan | read up ^^^ |
| 08:03.05 | blairzy | i am doing something fairly simple, which is just baking out ambient occlusion to a texture, then multiplying that on |
| 08:03.18 | blairzy | i meant tho, why isn't it in there now? |
| 08:03.39 | blairzy | you mean you lost your code, or it was rejected? |
| 08:05.03 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/relief.jpg http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/autohunt.jpg (from 2006 ;) |
| 08:06.43 | blairzy | that looks much better |
| 08:08.21 | trepan | hm, seems blast still has pictures from the lua GL stuff, http://bzexcess.com/category/development/ |
| 08:09.31 | blairzy | don't know lua, what was it doing? |
| 08:09.41 | trepan | it's a scripting language, lua.org |
| 08:10.22 | blairzy | ... |
| 08:11.00 | AAA_awright | Why choose Lua? |
| 08:11.07 | blairzy | so anyway, i will look through the 2.99 svn code, is multitexturing supported? |
| 08:11.31 | trepan | nope, not that hard to add though |
| 08:11.31 | AAA_awright | Instead of, say, ECMAScript? |
| 08:11.50 | blairzy | yeah, i would much rather have a language with a future |
| 08:12.52 | blairzy | trepan: yes, i have multitexturing already there for some bits, just wondering if you guys had a syntax for the maps and other stuff already sorted |
| 08:13.53 | trepan | the material definition already supports multitexturing |
| 08:14.04 | trepan | and shaders |
| 08:15.31 | blairzy | any docs? |
| 08:15.51 | trepan | bzw.5 |
| 08:17.22 | blairzy | but no code support... |
| 08:18.30 | blairzy | is it addtexture that i am wanting? |
| 08:19.50 | trepan | yes |
| 08:19.55 | trepan | good luck and good night |
| 08:20.04 | blairzy | ok thanks |
| 08:20.07 | blairzy | good night to you |
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| 17:43.10 | CIA-69 | BZFlag: 03Blast 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6831 10/w/Getting_Started: Undo revision 6825 by [[Special:Contributions/66.30.201.47|66.30.201.47]] ([[User talk:66.30.201.47|Talk]]) - KOTH and keepaway are not official modes and should be covered elsewhere |
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| 17:47.39 | JeffM | mrapplecomputer: why do you disconnect and reconnect all the time? |
| 17:48.07 | mrapplecomputer | laptop |
| 17:48.16 | JeffM | can you fix that please, it's rather anoying |
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| 18:05.59 | JeffM | man, network testing is so much easier when your net lib is threaded and you just make the client and server into DLLs that you can throw in the same app :) |
| 18:06.16 | blast007 | heh |
| 18:08.09 | JeffM | all I had too do was add a quick "self-serve" option and bam, client automatically starts it's own server and connects. |
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| 18:31.21 | JeffM | hello |
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| 18:35.04 | CIA-69 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6837 10/w/Flag_ideas: /* Deafness (DE) */ rejected |
| 18:35.04 | Gabe_G23 | heh |
| 18:37.12 | CIA-69 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6838 10/w/Flag_ideas: /* Bad Flags */ Reject warp (no on-drops), combine slow shot and short shot |
| 18:37.22 | CIA-69 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6839 10/w/Flag_ideas/Rejected: warp |
| 18:39.22 | CIA-69 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6840 10/w/Flag_ideas: /* Possible Flag Ideas */ reject deep burrow (same as PZ) |
| 18:39.44 | CIA-69 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6841 10/w/Flag_ideas/Rejected: deep burrow |
| 18:44.08 | CIA-69 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6843 10/w/Flag_ideas/Rejected: Silent Tank, Silent Shot, Inspiring Flag |
| 18:45.30 | CIA-69 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6844 10/w/Flag_ideas/Rejected: /* SuperTank (Sp) */ |
| 18:45.48 | JeffM | well that's enough dream crushing for one day |
| 18:46.40 | blast007 | hehe |
| 18:46.42 | mrapplecomputer1 | heh |
| 18:47.03 | JeffM | some of the ideas arn't all bad |
| 18:47.10 | JeffM | Slow Should could be intersting |
| 18:47.20 | blast007 | slow shot? |
| 18:47.33 | JeffM | bad flag, shots move at 1/2 speed and distance |
| 18:47.56 | blast007 | right - was just pointing out the typo ;) |
| 18:48.05 | JeffM | oh sorry |
| 18:48.11 | JeffM | stupid autocomplete |
| 18:48.18 | mrapplecomputer1 | JeffM you made allejo's Best of BZ 2009 |
| 18:48.24 | JeffM | huh? |
| 18:48.31 | mrapplecomputer1 | http://allejo.tk/ |
| 18:49.36 | JeffM | heh, BulletCatcher is the nicest bz dev |
| 18:50.07 | blast007 | yeah. no idea how I got that title... |
| 18:50.16 | mrapplecomputer1 | lol ill tell allejo that |
| 18:50.24 | blast007 | I can be sarcastic and a jerk ;) |
| 18:50.30 | JeffM | well it's obvious that whoever wrote that didn't spend much time here |
| 18:50.35 | blast007 | yeah |
| 18:50.41 | JeffM | yeah just look at your forum sig :) |
| 18:50.47 | blast007 | hehe |
| 18:50.49 | mrapplecomputer1 | heh |
| 18:51.17 | JeffM | BulletCatcher is the most consistently "nice guy" person we have |
| 18:51.38 | JeffM | joevano probably comes in second. |
| 18:51.50 | mrapplecomputer1 | joevano's sarcasm is the best |
| 18:52.14 | mrapplecomputer1 | http://allejo.bzmapping.2x.nu/download/MudLeaving.txt |
| 18:52.35 | JeffM | this word. I do not think it means what you think it mean.s |
| 18:52.44 | blast007 | is there an award for crappiest URL? cuz I think that one wins. |
| 18:53.15 | JeffM | blast007: you mean any URL from nn? ;) |
| 18:53.42 | blast007 | no, the 4 level-ness ;) |
| 18:53.58 | blast007 | that isn't NNs |
| 18:54.02 | JeffM | ahh |
| 18:54.03 | blast007 | he has bzfmaps.net |
| 18:54.09 | JeffM | that'd be worst domain name then |
| 18:55.34 | brlcad | heh |
| 18:57.33 | brlcad | JeffM: you sarcastic? hm, I don't see it |
| 18:58.53 | brlcad | aww, no love for Hairy Ballsack |
| 18:59.28 | BulletCatcher | Even *I* hate him. |
| 18:59.45 | brlcad | says the nicest dev |
| 18:59.48 | brlcad | ouch |
| 18:59.50 | JeffM | heh |
| 19:00.08 | JeffM | the dude made COOKIES for SOC, how can you be nicer? |
| 19:00.34 | JeffM | well ok, rumball bullets, but that'd be about it. |
| 19:00.41 | BulletCatcher | lol |
| 19:00.41 | mrapplecomputer | not just normal sugar cookies, but tank cookies |
| 19:00.47 | brlcad | and held a talk about non-violent communication, can't leave that one out |
| 19:00.56 | JeffM | nice |
| 19:01.23 | JeffM | see when I was there, I was in a discussion about "Charge jerks a dollar for asking a question" |
| 19:01.33 | blast007 | hehe |
| 19:01.47 | brlcad | :) |
| 19:01.56 | BlasterWisconsin | where can I submit an idea for a flag ? :-) |
| 19:02.06 | JeffM | on the flag wiki page |
| 19:02.09 | JeffM | what is the idea? |
| 19:02.11 | blast007 | to /dev/null |
| 19:02.24 | blast007 | (see, I'm definately not the nicest) |
| 19:02.32 | BlasterWisconsin | its a flag give flag |
| 19:02.50 | blast007 | so. thief. |
| 19:02.54 | blast007 | but in reverse? |
| 19:03.02 | JeffM | if you have the flag, how do you give another flag to a player? |
| 19:03.05 | JeffM | you can only hold one |
| 19:03.16 | BlasterWisconsin | you give another player a flag ...friend or foe a flag thats determined by what you pick up |
| 19:03.18 | JeffM | thief only works one way because it replaces thief |
| 19:03.31 | JeffM | I'd not go for that |
| 19:03.38 | JeffM | bit too random |
| 19:03.52 | JeffM | and what's the gameplay element of it, what's it's weakness? |
| 19:04.41 | BlasterWisconsin | its the opposit of thief |
| 19:04.52 | JeffM | not really |
| 19:04.57 | BlasterWisconsin | whats the weakness of the thief flag |
| 19:05.00 | JeffM | as it involves another flag that is 'hidden" |
| 19:05.06 | blast007 | BlasterWisconsin: that you can't kill anyone |
| 19:05.10 | JeffM | short range and no kill |
| 19:05.30 | JeffM | but it still does something "Bad" to the person you hit |
| 19:05.34 | blast007 | and when you drop it, it forces a reload ;) |
| 19:06.03 | JeffM | it's a very special use flag |
| 19:06.22 | JeffM | also what if your teamate didn't want his flag replaced? |
| 19:07.11 | JeffM | and quickly swaping his/her flag to something that could change to a rather bad shot type could be bad |
| 19:07.21 | brlcad | ah, irc |
| 19:07.22 | brlcad | better than a wiki |
| 19:07.28 | brlcad | instant rejection |
| 19:07.30 | blast007 | go the vista route "Your teammate wants to give you a flag. Allow / Deny" |
| 19:07.37 | JeffM | it would suck to be doing longshots with SB at your base then instantly get SW, and kill your teamies |
| 19:08.03 | JeffM | when you yank a flag, it reverts them to a normal shot, relitivly safe |
| 19:08.11 | BlasterWisconsin | if you enemy gave it to you that would suck |
| 19:08.47 | JeffM | I understand where you are coming from, and I can see the few fun uses of it, but I don't think it's a great general flag |
| 19:08.56 | JeffM | it's a bit confusing |
| 19:09.03 | blast007 | that could be a plugin instead |
| 19:09.07 | JeffM | possibly |
| 19:09.19 | JeffM | there is the "did he die" API |
| 19:09.37 | JeffM | and you could use a custom flag with the thief shot type |
| 19:10.02 | blast007 | oh, I was thinking he meant it would be random |
| 19:10.05 | JeffM | that'd be a good way to playtest and see if it's viable and how fun it is |
| 19:10.42 | JeffM | the flag you give was to be random I thought, but the shot you have is a theif, you would still have to hit them I would think |
| 19:11.18 | JeffM | if you are talking about something where you pickup a flag, and then someone else magicaly gets some other flag, then no way, there is no skill in that. |
| 19:11.47 | BlasterWisconsin | not random ... it would say when you picked it up ; give SW or give GM or give OO etc ... |
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| 19:12.12 | JeffM | so a ranom pick from some subset of good flags |
| 19:12.24 | blast007 | BlasterWisconsin: I mean to who it would give it |
| 19:12.25 | BlasterWisconsin | tank would be same as thief ...size and speed |
| 19:12.42 | blast007 | cuz why would you purposely shoot an enemy with a flag that will give them a flag to kill you faster? |
| 19:13.05 | JeffM | that is the other distubring thing, it's the only flag that makes you WANT To shoot teamies |
| 19:13.16 | JeffM | and I don't think that's a good thing to train people to do |
| 19:13.30 | BlasterWisconsin | if you dont have a team mate to give a good flag to you drop it |
| 19:13.40 | JeffM | now if you want to make bzflag class based, and have a tank that drops a flag spawner on the map... then I'm with ya ;) |
| 19:13.48 | BlasterWisconsin | if its a bad flag you give it to blast |
| 19:13.55 | blast007 | ;) |
| 19:14.18 | blast007 | just seems kinda pointless to include as a real feature |
| 19:14.42 | JeffM | thinks BlasterWisconsin plays too much TF2 |
| 19:14.57 | BlasterWisconsin | never have ;) |
| 19:15.12 | JeffM | what you are defining is more of a support flag |
| 19:15.42 | JeffM | and it's not a bad idea to do things to try and get teams to help each other |
| 19:15.53 | JeffM | just not sure if that idea is the best way to go about it. |
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| 19:33.55 | mebigfatguy | perhaps a setting that says, you bullets go faster, or reload is faster if you are within xxx distance of a teammate... Compounds with more teammates. |
| 19:34.31 | mebigfatguy | not that proximity is always a sign of best coordination, but... |
| 19:37.55 | trepan | JeffM: "I do not think it means what you think it means" -- never gets old :) |
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| 21:23.42 | JeffM | blast007: do you know anything about flash? |
| 21:26.43 | JeffM | or anyone really |
| 21:34.25 | Flash | what do you want to know? |
| 21:34.34 | Flash | or was that not a personal inquiry? |
| 21:34.41 | BulletCatcher | I was waiting for that. :-) |
| 21:37.19 | JeffM | heh, sorry, yeah about the adobe product ;) |
| 21:37.24 | JeffM | mostly if something is possible |
| 21:38.17 | JeffM | there is an avatar creation system at http://www.myavatareditor.com/ and it's open source, but I wonder how hard it would be to make it have a backend that generates PNG files from an HTTP request based off some kind of avatar ID. |
| 21:38.58 | JeffM | so that say a player could use it to make an avatar, have the code sent to a database, then a game client make an HTTP call with that code and get a PNG out of it to use in game |
| 21:40.54 | Flash | the second part (retrieval) isn't Flash; just basic HTTP/CGI and obviously doable. |
| 21:41.14 | Flash | are you talking about adapting the avatar editor to say, create custom tanks? |
| 21:41.20 | JeffM | can a server be made to run flash code like a CGI? |
| 21:41.40 | JeffM | or would that drawing code have to be redone in something headless, like php with image magic |
| 21:42.17 | Flash | the page says it supports export to PNG, so that should be easy enough |
| 21:42.38 | JeffM | yeah but the client does that right? |
| 21:42.45 | JeffM | not the server |
| 21:43.11 | JeffM | I want the flash app the player uses to send something to a server, then my server generate the image |
| 21:43.14 | JeffM | not have them manualy upload it |
| 21:43.24 | JeffM | then there is no way to get anything "bad" in there |
| 21:44.26 | JeffM | it's more of a curiosity thing |
| 21:44.47 | JeffM | I just think it'd be neat to let people make some kind of avatar using a toolkit, then have it display for them in game. |
| 21:52.19 | BulletCatcher | I don't think I'd like to see the avatar of the "most hated" player. |
| 21:52.42 | JeffM | specialy if he uploaded it himself ;) |
| 21:52.49 | BulletCatcher | Especially that. |
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| 22:36.07 | blast007 | JeffM: well, I don't see any image files for the various face parts in their source, so it's probably all flash vector shapes. so probably not easy to do what you want. |
| 22:37.17 | JeffM | yeah that's what I feared |
| 22:37.23 | JeffM | oh wells |
| 22:39.09 | blast007 | probably be easier to rewrite something that used actual images and just did it all with javascript/CSS on the client-side |
| 22:39.43 | JeffM | yeah then redo the same code for the server to make an image |
| 22:39.50 | JeffM | or do it in game |
| 22:40.22 | blast007 | something like this: http://elouai.com/doll-makers.php |
| 22:40.59 | blast007 | rememeber my mom made one in there, and I converted it to an animated GIF for her ;) |
| 22:41.05 | JeffM | heh |
| 22:41.12 | blast007 | (their built in *save image* didn't save the animation) |
| 22:41.34 | blast007 | but it gave all the pixel positions for the various pieces |
| 22:42.20 | blast007 | just embed webkit into the game client and use that for registration, avatar configuration, etc :P |
| 22:42.31 | JeffM | riiiiiiggghhhttt |
| 22:42.39 | blast007 | oh come on, it would be fun! |
| 22:42.46 | JeffM | if the game is gonna do it it can always just render them from the dscriptiors |
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| 23:01.37 | Manu | happy new year!!! |
| 23:02.29 | Scrumpy | Happy New Year! |
| 23:15.22 | ruskie | hny |
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