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| 00:52.26 | L4m3r | if spam registrations come from botnets, a database might not be so useful |
| 00:52.55 | L4m3r | I've noticed on my forums that spam is up A LOT lately... they've broken reCAPTCHA, apparently |
| 01:00.45 | blast007 | L4m3r: well, a lot of what I have seen shows up in stopforumspam.com |
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| 01:09.43 | Bambino | spam http://my.bzflag.org/bb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=47040 |
| 01:11.48 | JeffM | do you go searching the memberlist for that stuff? |
| 01:11.59 | Bambino | no |
| 01:12.02 | Bambino | he just posted |
| 01:12.05 | JeffM | ahh |
| 01:12.24 | Bambino | I did search the member list once, found about 50 spam accounts that haven't posted |
| 01:12.38 | JeffM | yeah I care less about those |
| 01:13.14 | Bambino | is there anything in to works to stop/slow down the spam? |
| 01:13.49 | mrapplecomputer1 | i dont think shutting off the main form from user access helped very much |
| 01:14.13 | JeffM | it did not |
| 01:14.26 | JeffM | that was just a guess anyway |
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| 01:15.09 | JeffM | easy to implement, no real effect on actual use, etc.. |
| 01:15.56 | L4m3r | maybe new users should have like 5 posts before they can post. ;) |
| 01:16.22 | JeffM | how would they make 5 posts if they could not post? ;) |
| 01:16.28 | temporalD | get the joke Jeff |
| 01:16.28 | L4m3r | that's the joke |
| 01:16.33 | JeffM | ahh |
| 01:16.45 | JeffM | someone sugested a week or so timeout |
| 01:16.48 | JeffM | but that won't work |
| 01:16.56 | JeffM | it's not like it's super hard spam to deal with |
| 01:17.05 | L4m3r | actually, I think I'm going to change my boards so that you have to have one post before you can start a thread |
| 01:17.29 | temporalD | so they have to reply to another thread first? hmm |
| 01:17.46 | L4m3r | that won't stop everything, but most spammers start threads, rather than replying |
| 01:17.52 | JeffM | yeah |
| 01:18.00 | JeffM | tho it may be hard for someone to find a thread to repply to |
| 01:18.07 | JeffM | unless you have a "i'm new" thread |
| 01:18.10 | BulletCatcher | That won't work for people who join the forum to ask a question. |
| 01:18.15 | JeffM | indeed |
| 01:18.20 | L4m3r | I'll just sticky an "Introduce yourself" thread in the general forum or something |
| 01:18.27 | JeffM | we can't limit posting to anything like that |
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| 01:18.56 | JeffM | now what would be good is to not let them post untill they use global auth at least once from the game client |
| 01:18.57 | temporalD | the better captca that blast talked about is probably the answer |
| 01:19.12 | temporalD | update the forum code so he can make a plugin |
| 01:19.22 | blast007 | temporalD: and/or integration with stopforumspam.com's API |
| 01:20.48 | L4m3r | brilliant idea, JeffM |
| 01:21.00 | JeffM | it's been sugested before |
| 01:21.10 | JeffM | the one thing we have that is unique to our legit users is the game |
| 01:21.15 | JeffM | so we should use that |
| 01:21.18 | L4m3r | though... |
| 01:21.35 | L4m3r | what happens when someone wants to ask why global auth doesn't work? :P |
| 01:21.42 | JeffM | yeah that would be the problem |
| 01:21.51 | JeffM | usualy auth works at least once |
| 01:22.00 | JeffM | so it would be a low risk I think |
| 01:22.01 | temporalD | chat link still work from the forum? :) |
| 01:22.13 | JeffM | probably |
| 01:22.17 | L4m3r | yeah, that is an option |
| 01:22.33 | JeffM | could also put a "help" email in the game |
| 01:22.49 | JeffM | and have it sent to a few people that agree to be support staff |
| 01:22.53 | JeffM | we have a number of options |
| 01:23.18 | JeffM | the other option is to have the client generate a "serial number" and have them enter that when they register |
| 01:24.12 | JeffM | that's harder to explain in multiple languages |
| 01:24.26 | JeffM | have to have the client have a way to push that data to the OS clipboard |
| 01:24.38 | L4m3r | it'd probably piss people off, too :) |
| 01:24.59 | JeffM | people who play comercial games are used to it |
| 01:25.03 | L4m3r | "OMG, are u going to start charging for bz?????" |
| 01:25.08 | JeffM | so it would piss off a small group of people |
| 01:25.18 | JeffM | or have the option to do both |
| 01:25.31 | JeffM | before you can post, ether auth or give the serial number |
| 01:25.39 | JeffM | say that serial numbers are always free, etc.. |
| 01:25.56 | L4m3r | kill registration via phpBB and have in-game registration only? |
| 01:26.03 | JeffM | that is an option |
| 01:26.11 | JeffM | but harder for those that can't get the game to run |
| 01:26.21 | JeffM | those are the people we would have the most problem with |
| 01:26.21 | blast007 | we have IRC for those people |
| 01:26.24 | JeffM | yeah |
| 01:26.24 | L4m3r | right- the chat link, perhaps |
| 01:26.31 | JeffM | all are options |
| 01:26.40 | JeffM | in game reg would be best |
| 01:26.44 | JeffM | treat it like an MMO |
| 01:26.52 | JeffM | before you play you have to login |
| 01:26.59 | L4m3r | have we tried anything stupid, like renaming register.php? lol |
| 01:27.04 | JeffM | then you pick your callsign from your list of them |
| 01:27.16 | JeffM | I think they are using real people to do the registration |
| 01:27.36 | blast007 | well, that will be evident if I toss in a custom captcha with tanks ;) |
| 01:27.45 | JeffM | indeed |
| 01:28.22 | L4m3r | picture-captchas can be cracked automatically, I think |
| 01:28.48 | JeffM | if he randomly names the image links |
| 01:28.50 | L4m3r | unless you have auto-rendered images (and thus an infinite pool of potential images) |
| 01:28.52 | blast007 | L4m3r: even "click on the red tank" ? :P |
| 01:28.53 | JeffM | it should be better |
| 01:29.07 | L4m3r | better, yes |
| 01:29.09 | JeffM | blast007: its' easy if you have the red tank named "red.png" |
| 01:29.15 | blast007 | heh |
| 01:29.24 | JeffM | you'd want them to have randomly generated URIs |
| 01:29.32 | blast007 | I would have them point to a script, probably |
| 01:29.34 | L4m3r | but with brute-force and a finite image pool, the spammers can still get through |
| 01:29.43 | JeffM | if they care that much |
| 01:29.52 | L4m3r | they do |
| 01:29.54 | L4m3r | :P |
| 01:29.56 | JeffM | if they have to write a script just for us I don't think they'd bother |
| 01:30.02 | L4m3r | it doesn't cost them anything to try again |
| 01:30.07 | JeffM | perhaps |
| 01:30.11 | L4m3r | that's the point- they don;t have to |
| 01:30.17 | trepan | you think anyone would bother cracking a custom bzflag.org captcha? |
| 01:30.23 | blast007 | assuming their script can interact with the captcha I write |
| 01:30.30 | JeffM | I think they are just using people |
| 01:30.42 | JeffM | indians are cheaper then scripts |
| 01:30.42 | L4m3r | probably |
| 01:30.53 | blast007 | heck. we still had spammers when I added the "What is the name of the game?" question to the form |
| 01:31.35 | L4m3r | but there have been proof-of-concept automated solving of picture captchas... if they can solve text images, I'm sure they can remember pictures of tanks |
| 01:32.12 | JeffM | sure if they try |
| 01:32.25 | JeffM | I'm guessing we are on the list simply becase we are easy |
| 01:32.54 | L4m3r | I think that the more sophisticated spam robots have generic captcha-detection systems |
| 01:32.57 | JeffM | the only way for us to know is to try |
| 01:33.01 | JeffM | possibly |
| 01:33.26 | JeffM | it dosn't matter what it is, if they get arround it, they could be meat, or siicon |
| 01:33.31 | JeffM | they still get arround it |
| 01:33.34 | JeffM | all we can do is try and see |
| 01:33.40 | JeffM | if it works, it works |
| 01:33.47 | JeffM | if it dosn't, we do something else |
| 01:34.07 | JeffM | upgrading to the current phpbb, and doing a custom capatcha is a somewhat easy task, so it's worth the effort |
| 01:34.10 | blast007 | some of them are probably definately meat-based, since one of them didn't get the closing ] on their URL tag once ;D |
| 01:34.23 | L4m3r | lol |
| 01:34.31 | blast007 | copy and paste fail |
| 01:34.38 | L4m3r | blast007: there was a vbulletin plugin to add the custom question, sorta like you had |
| 01:34.38 | JeffM | for sure the best way is to use the game in some way |
| 01:34.46 | JeffM | but that's harder to implement and harder on our users |
| 01:34.46 | L4m3r | but after a forum upgrade, it stopped working |
| 01:35.03 | L4m3r | I had made it impossible to register new accounts... for MONTHS |
| 01:35.07 | blast007 | L4m3r: yeah, mine was just a cheap hard coded hack ;) |
| 01:35.16 | JeffM | feeds |
| 01:36.39 | L4m3r | as for the banlist, would it be possible to store it in memory? bans could be stored very efficiently in some sort of tree structure |
| 01:36.48 | L4m3r | for IP bans, that is |
| 01:37.24 | blast007 | a better ban system could be build that was shared across all web services |
| 01:37.42 | blast007 | maybe not the bans themself, but I mean the actual code ;) |
| 01:38.01 | L4m3r | yeah- maybe a really lightweight banlist daemon on the server |
| 01:38.03 | blast007 | or a little daemon |
| 01:38.05 | blast007 | :) |
| 01:38.16 | L4m3r | great minds think alike :P |
| 01:38.30 | temporalD | daemons are evil |
| 01:38.49 | L4m3r | lol, hook it into the firewall and block the jerks from even connecting to the server |
| 01:38.54 | blast007 | heh |
| 01:56.30 | CIA-69 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r20699 10/trunk/bzflag/BUGS: The bug that caused a new random map to generate while players were still on the map was fixed in r20156 |
| 02:00.20 | brlcad | ceerash goes apache |
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| 02:42.29 | Tj13820 | I'm trying to compile mapchange and it is giving me errors about "rand" (line 67) and "srand" (line 150). any ideas? |
| 02:44.59 | blast007 | probably need an additional include |
| 02:45.11 | blast007 | but your message is rather vague :) |
| 02:45.42 | blast007 | do you get specific errors? |
| 02:50.49 | blast007 | Tj13820: try adding this after the #include for bzfsAPI.h: |
| 02:50.51 | blast007 | #include <stdlib.h> |
| 02:51.05 | Tj13820 | one second |
| 02:53.56 | Tj13820 | Excellent! How did i miss that XD |
| 03:05.53 | Tj13820 | it seems as if all of these plugins are missing directives. |
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| 15:59.00 | TJ13820 | When I try to compile BZFlag, none of the plugins compile correctly. it seems as if directives are missing in all of the source files. I get a few working by adding #include <stdlib.h> but the rest spew out errors of undeclared functions in certain scopes. Is there something i might have missed when building that would fix this? |
| 16:06.54 | trepan | which version? it's probably just an old windows/*nix compilation bug |
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| 16:09.34 | TJ13820 | 2.0.12 on Debian. If that's the case I've just downloaded the latest CVS version. I'll give it a go and see what happens. |
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| 16:41.46 | blast007 | TJ13820: get the v2_0branch SVN and see if that works. |
| 16:41.59 | TJ13820 | yup, that's what i am compiling now. |
| 16:41.59 | blast007 | I see that some includes were added to the plugins about 2 months after 2.0.12 |
| 16:42.02 | blast007 | k |
| 16:42.23 | TJ13820 | I use "make -j4" that wouldn't affect it negatively, correct? |
| 16:42.25 | blast007 | and you got SVN and not CVS, right? |
| 16:42.33 | TJ13820 | correct, i use SVN |
| 16:42.36 | blast007 | k :) |
| 16:42.48 | blast007 | and no, that should work just fine - how many CPU cores do you have? |
| 16:42.52 | TJ13820 | 4 |
| 16:42.58 | TJ13820 | Two dual core Xeons |
| 16:43.01 | blast007 | use 5 or 6 then |
| 16:43.13 | TJ13820 | Ah, well next time ;) |
| 16:43.34 | blast007 | should still be fast enough ;) |
| 16:43.41 | TJ13820 | It only takes about 5-8 minutes to compile |
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| 17:24.11 | TJ13820 | worked great :) |
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| 18:05.51 | TJ13820 | allejo pm me :) |
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| 18:34.55 | Murielle1 | I wonder if there exists "good" bot for solo mode ? I mean, a bot who could dodge/rico shot etc ... ? |
| 18:35.39 | JeffM | nope |
| 18:35.47 | JeffM | not untill someone write it :) |
| 18:36.02 | JeffM | if we had that good of a bot we'd use it in multiplayer too |
| 18:36.20 | Murielle1 | and...would it be difficult to write it? |
| 18:36.39 | JeffM | depends on how good said person is at writing code |
| 18:36.41 | Murielle1 | what should i know for coding it? It should be difficult;.strategy, etc.. |
| 18:36.50 | JeffM | that's up to you |
| 18:36.54 | JeffM | it would be your bot |
| 18:37.27 | Murielle1 | it should solve optimization problem ? |
| 18:37.31 | Murielle1 | find the best move |
| 18:37.37 | JeffM | again up to you |
| 18:37.40 | Murielle1 | anticipate |
| 18:37.45 | temporalD | there was some bot work done for GSOC, correct? BZRobots? |
| 18:37.57 | Murielle1 | hi temporalD !!!! |
| 18:37.59 | temporalD | :) |
| 18:38.01 | JeffM | that was a bot framework |
| 18:38.08 | JeffM | it's different then -solo |
| 18:38.14 | temporalD | alrighty |
| 18:38.15 | JeffM | but yes it exists for standalone bots |
| 18:38.31 | JeffM | it could be used for linux based systems |
| 18:38.42 | JeffM | there is also some support for server side bots |
| 18:38.55 | JeffM | but -solo bots and autopilot are hardcoded into the client |
| 18:40.17 | Murielle1 | hum..could we play with such bots ? and in what is it different that -solo ? |
| 18:40.30 | Murielle1 | (( sorry for my noobish question )) |
| 18:40.38 | JeffM | bzrobots probably has the best set of bot "services" but it's talored to school stuff, using the botcode API |
| 18:40.51 | JeffM | bzrobots is in trunk |
| 18:41.02 | JeffM | it is a seperate client that runs a bot script |
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| 18:41.19 | JeffM | it's designed for students in AI classes |
| 18:41.31 | Murielle1 | Artificial intelligence? |
| 18:41.32 | JeffM | and follows a botcode API and game |
| 18:41.34 | JeffM | yes |
| 18:41.43 | JeffM | it's slightly different from bzflag gameplay but it mostly fits |
| 18:41.55 | JeffM | it was not built to be a general player bot system |
| 18:42.01 | JeffM | for that we'd prefer to use server side bots |
| 18:42.10 | Murielle1 | .wait. Bzrobots isnt for bzflag? |
| 18:42.13 | temporalD | ah I see - I had thought it was intended to be the start to replace the existing bots and autopilots |
| 18:42.15 | Murielle1 | .i do not understand |
| 18:42.25 | JeffM | it is for bzflag, but not all uses of bzflag are for fun |
| 18:42.33 | JeffM | temporalD: not really |
| 18:42.37 | JeffM | it was started for schools |
| 18:42.40 | temporalD | got it |
| 18:42.42 | Murielle1 | .are u sure ? |
| 18:42.44 | JeffM | botcode is a standardized java API |
| 18:42.45 | Murielle1 | .:P |
| 18:42.48 | JeffM | Murielle1: yes |
| 18:43.08 | JeffM | there are competitions that use the botcode API, this is just a way to use those with bzflag |
| 18:43.35 | JeffM | now that's not saying it could be extended, but the general mechanism for how it works is not that conducive to what a normal "game bot" would be |
| 18:43.47 | JeffM | you'd want a game bot to be hosted by the server |
| 18:44.00 | JeffM | and have it play like a player, interacting with meat players |
| 18:44.06 | JeffM | most botcode bots are designed to fight other bots |
| 18:45.06 | JeffM | now I would not mind another API for bzrobots that let you take a bot script from there to a server side bot |
| 18:45.08 | JeffM | that'd be cool |
| 18:45.21 | JeffM | then you could use bzrobots to develop the bot, and give it to a server owner who could run it |
| 18:45.25 | JeffM | that would be optimal |
| 18:46.44 | JeffM | and Murielle1 yes I am sure, I was here when bzrobots was started ;) |
| 18:47.08 | Murielle1 | :) (i was teasing) |
| 18:47.12 | JeffM | I know |
| 18:48.20 | Murielle1 | jeffm ? |
| 18:48.23 | Murielle1 | actually ... |
| 18:48.31 | JeffM | but if you realy wanted to change the bot API to play against, you'd just have to go and edit your client |
| 18:48.35 | Murielle1 | ( please do not laught ) |
| 18:48.45 | Murielle1 | i didnt understand what bzrobot is |
| 18:49.06 | JeffM | it is a sub project of bzflag |
| 18:49.10 | JeffM | it is a seperate application that can be built that can run robots on servers |
| 18:49.23 | JeffM | using the java like robotcode API |
| 18:49.30 | JeffM | we do not ship it with bzflag |
| 18:49.41 | JeffM | it was built to help students use bzflag to learn AI |
| 18:50.01 | JeffM | it is part of our trunk codebase |
| 18:50.01 | Murielle1 | i see (you are teacher?) |
| 18:50.05 | JeffM | no |
| 18:50.17 | JeffM | I am not |
| 18:50.21 | JeffM | but some teachers use bzflag and bzrobots to teach |
| 18:50.27 | Murielle1 | ( nvm, you are cool ) |
| 18:50.29 | JeffM | bzrobots was started by a sschool |
| 18:50.41 | JeffM | and then they gave us the code |
| 18:50.54 | JeffM | we have had some students work on it for GSOC to make it cleaner |
| 18:50.55 | Murielle1 | ic |
| 18:51.20 | Murielle1 | in theory, what could we do with this? |
| 18:51.38 | trepan | fwiw, --enable-bzrobots-python is currently busted |
| 18:51.59 | JeffM | yeah I don't know it's current functional status, but you could use it to write a botcode bot that could play bzflag |
| 18:52.05 | Constitution | anyone know (trepan perhaps?) what was the objective of http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag?view=rev&revision=20355 ? |
| 18:52.09 | JeffM | it does not work on windows, and it may have build issues |
| 18:52.33 | JeffM | bzrobots is not a major concern for us right now |
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| 18:52.56 | temporalD | oh irony |
| 18:53.10 | trepan | Constitution: because libtool.m4 is autogen'ed, and shouldn't be in SVN for later autotools versions |
| 18:53.45 | JeffM | temporalD: that is not irony, that is humorous circumstance |
| 18:53.47 | JeffM | ;) |
| 18:54.00 | JeffM | coincidence I mean |
| 18:54.01 | temporalD | coincidence :) |
| 18:54.15 | JeffM | are not a good speller |
| 18:54.21 | Murielle1 | it is a sign... enigma wants to do it |
| 18:54.28 | JeffM | do what? |
| 18:54.33 | Murielle1 | the robot |
| 18:54.45 | Constitution | trepan: so it is only auto-generated for later autotools versions? |
| 18:54.45 | JeffM | in the end you'd want more then one "the robot" |
| 18:55.17 | trepan | Constitution: it is only not auto-generated for older autotools versions |
| 18:55.17 | Murielle1 | i will take a look at bzrobot :) |
| 18:55.25 | JeffM | my preference would be to have the server side bot API be finished, then player bots done there |
| 18:55.27 | Murielle1 | ty JeffM |
| 18:55.31 | JeffM | they would be a lot easier to use |
| 18:55.40 | JeffM | and you could not connect them to any random server |
| 18:55.57 | Murielle1 | hum |
| 18:55.59 | JeffM | that's what I mostly don't like about bzrobots you just take them to a server since they are clients, and the owner may not want bots |
| 18:56.20 | JeffM | but sever side bots are simple to add by the server owner and can be dynamicly added and removed as players come and go |
| 18:56.25 | Constitution | trepan: if it is copied into existence at the very beginning of the build process how is the effect any different? |
| 18:56.44 | trepan | Constitution: is there a point to your queries, or are you wasting my time? |
| 18:57.07 | JeffM | SSPs are more like how unreal handles bot players, and that works out rather well |
| 18:57.40 | Constitution | yes... bzflag doesn't build on unix, and it is something related to curl... your change was broken in a later commit, so I'm trying to determine how to re-implement it |
| 18:58.07 | trepan | auto-generated docs do not belong in an RCS, period. |
| 18:58.45 | trepan | "doesn't build on unix" -- could you be a little more specific? provide an error log? |
| 18:59.07 | CIA-69 | BZFlag: 0366.30.201.47 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6825 10/w/Getting_Started: /* Objective */ |
| 19:00.01 | Constitution | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d21aba32a |
| 19:00.20 | JeffM | Constitution: what OS are you building on? |
| 19:00.28 | Constitution | linux |
| 19:00.47 | Constitution | also doesn't build on OS X but I haven't looked at that yet |
| 19:00.53 | JeffM | you said unix before so I thought you meant like Irix or Solaris |
| 19:01.09 | Constitution | what are those? ;) |
| 19:01.14 | JeffM | real unix ;) |
| 19:01.43 | trepan | SCO be the one true path ;) |
| 19:01.51 | JeffM | generaly people don't call linux or OSX "unix" |
| 19:02.40 | Constitution | it appears that the build error happens somewhere in the curl build process (obviously) |
| 19:03.03 | Constitution | been trying to figure out why with my minimal knowledge of autotools and m4 |
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| 19:03.40 | trepan | you might want to talk to brlcad, he's a mac'er iirc |
| 19:04.26 | trepan | (and you might want to have information like the OS, compiler, and autotools verions available) |
| 19:06.28 | Constitution | brlcad: ^^, autoconf 2.65, automake 1.11, libtool 2.2.6, gcc 4.4.1, ubuntu 9.10, bzflag trunk head :) |
| 19:12.22 | brlcad | que pasa |
| 19:13.42 | brlcad | Constitution: sh autogen.sh --verbose |
| 19:13.49 | brlcad | pastebin the entire output |
| 19:15.25 | brlcad | my guess is the newer autoheader doesn't like curl's configure.ac |
| 19:15.40 | brlcad | specifically, AC_INIT using a dash for the version perhaps |
| 19:15.57 | brlcad | can try editing the file and replacing [-] with [0] |
| 19:25.36 | trepan | Constitution: good info'ing ;) |
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| 19:39.38 | JeffM | brlcad: you try your helicopter anymore? |
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| 19:46.29 | CIA-69 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r20700 10/trunk/bzflag/autogen.sh: Reinstate hack for libtool 1.5 support. |
| 19:47.49 | brlcad | JeffM: of course |
| 19:47.51 | brlcad | saw your new one |
| 19:48.00 | brlcad | sweet |
| 19:48.07 | JeffM | how's yours fly? |
| 19:48.14 | temporalD | tmi |
| 19:48.39 | brlcad | it flies great, save for the operator |
| 19:48.43 | JeffM | heh |
| 19:49.00 | JeffM | got a simulator too |
| 19:49.03 | JeffM | it helps a lot |
| 19:49.06 | brlcad | honey bee cp2 |
| 19:50.46 | JeffM | they have little camera you can put on em too |
| 19:59.46 | trepan | Constitution: i guess r20688 (spelling fixes?) was the real problem |
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| 20:32.15 | Constitution | brlcad: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m133192e2 , and I'll try that modification |
| 20:32.43 | Constitution | trepan: yeah, that didn't include your mod, so I was curious |
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| 20:46.54 | brlcad | Constitution: aha! right.. |
| 20:46.59 | brlcad | hit that one a few weeks ago |
| 20:47.08 | brlcad | it's a recently introduced bug in aclocal |
| 20:47.39 | brlcad | non-existent dirs make it bail out, which is problematic for recursive subconfigure builds |
| 20:52.37 | CIA-69 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r20701 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/ares/m4/: add an m4 dir so aclocal doesn't bail on error. this seems to be a recently introduced aclocal bug where it fails if -I search paths do not exist, which is a problem for subconfigure builds. |
| 20:52.45 | brlcad | Constitution: retry, post diff? |
| 20:52.56 | Constitution | with the 0 instead of the -? |
| 20:52.59 | Constitution | oh nvm |
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| 20:54.31 | brlcad | given the individual steps failed with a different error, it "should" halt .. but might succeed if new autoreconf is doing something new |
| 20:59.20 | Constitution | brlcad: latest http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/me543399 |
| 21:30.29 | brlcad | excellent, means they're still in sync |
| 21:38.22 | brlcad | Constitution: hm |
| 21:38.49 | Constitution | I'll say :) |
| 21:39.04 | brlcad | it's some problem in the curl configure template |
| 21:39.16 | brlcad | or in the autotools, naturally |
| 21:39.30 | brlcad | the message is pretty devoid of information though |
| 21:39.40 | brlcad | cd src/other/curl && autoheader --verbose |
| 21:40.25 | brlcad | also, make sure you try sh autogen.sh on a cleanly checked out version in a new directory just to make sure it's not some stale generated files |
| 21:43.40 | Constitution | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m35f77c76 |
| 21:43.51 | Constitution | will try the fresh copy |
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| 21:47.01 | brlcad | hm, that's interesting |
| 21:47.34 | brlcad | grep CONFIG_HEADER aclocal.m4 |
| 21:47.38 | brlcad | (in curl dir) |
| 22:01.05 | Constitution | brlcad: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m179fc52d |
| 22:06.39 | JeffM | hmm so do I buy the book that tells how to make my own rocket engines, or comic books with my amazon gift card?.... |
| 22:12.47 | trepan | JeffM: i'd expect that question from a 13 year old; and I say that as a complement ;) |
| 22:13.12 | JeffM | bets he's going on some guberment list |
| 22:14.09 | trepan | what happens in vegas stays in vegas, they'll never find out about her... |
| 22:14.14 | JeffM | heh |
| 22:14.30 | JeffM | I should totaly add "a tourists map to the pentagon" to the order too |
| 22:14.41 | blast007 | hehe |
| 22:17.39 | trepan | add this: http://www.islam-guide.com/frm-order-the-book.htm |
| 22:17.45 | JeffM | I find it odd that the law in CA says that it's legal to own NO2 as long as you don't have equipment to inhale it. It's perfectly fine to use it to make stuff burn better |
| 22:20.15 | bryjen | there's got to be an air pollution/environmental issue in there somewhere... |
| 22:20.43 | JeffM | IIRC it just burns down to nitrogen and water. |
| 22:21.48 | allejo | JeffM: you should know by now. CA probably has the most obscure laws :P |
| 22:23.22 | spldart | mmMMmm nitrous enhanced engine.... |
| 22:25.58 | JeffM | ordered the rocket book |
| 22:32.38 | JeffM | tho it may be simpler to use O2 and Alki |
| 22:46.48 | BulletCatcher | FWIW, I just successfully compiled r20701 on Fedora 12 using --enable-curl-build. |
| 22:46.56 | BulletCatcher | It may be significant that I have autoconf 2.63 vs. 2.65 on Constitution's Ubuntu 9.10 system. |
| 22:47.03 | BulletCatcher | Installing the curl development package ought to sidestep the problem. |
| 22:49.13 | Constitution | BulletCatcher: autogen.sh runs with no errors? |
| 22:49.23 | BulletCatcher | Correct. |
| 22:50.37 | BulletCatcher | The curl dev package probably won't help fix autogen problems, so never mind that. |
| 22:52.54 | brlcad | installing curl so bz doesn't try to build it will sidestep the issue |
| 22:53.16 | brlcad | at least, it's easily patchable as a temp workaround |
| 22:53.51 | BulletCatcher | But autogen doesn't know (or care) whether or not curl will be compiled. |
| 22:54.03 | brlcad | right, that's the easily patchable part |
| 22:54.21 | brlcad | have to comment out the AC_CONFIG_SUBDIRS line in our configure.ac |
| 22:54.54 | BulletCatcher | Yeah, that is ugly but it should work. |
| 22:55.24 | brlcad | someone could post that verbose blather to the curl and/or gnu folks too, see if there's a known fix |
| 22:56.08 | BulletCatcher | There is a newer version of curl than the one we include in BZFlag. I don't know whether it would make a difference. |
| 22:56.25 | brlcad | cConoh, I didn't see that last pastebin |
| 22:56.30 | brlcad | er, Constitution |
| 22:56.59 | brlcad | can find out quick, download it, copy in our autogen.sh and run sh autogen.sh ;) |
| 22:58.43 | brlcad | Constitution: I think that last pastebin shows the bug |
| 22:59.12 | brlcad | they make AM_CONFIG_HEADER just call AC_CONFIG_HEADER, yet the substitution can't happen |
| 22:59.24 | brlcad | nothing calls it, so it's not defined |
| 22:59.51 | brlcad | so m4 aborts (which autoheader invoked) |
| 23:08.37 | brlcad | Constitution: something else you can try, cd src/other/curl && autoupdate && sh ../../autogen.sh --verbose |
| 23:09.23 | brlcad | er, ../../.. |
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