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| 03:08.00 | randomparticle | libcurl in svn not working for me |
| 03:08.21 | randomparticle | same version as in 2.0.10 official exe? that doesn't work here either |
| 03:08.56 | blast007 | 2.0.10 didn't have libcurl bundled with the source |
| 03:09.18 | randomparticle | yes. that's the answer to a different question though |
| 03:10.13 | randomparticle | i can't contact the list-server with the version of libcurl in svn. i can if i use the lastest libcurl source |
| 03:10.35 | randomparticle | something's going on. not sure what. windows 7 x64 |
| 03:12.04 | randomparticle | the libcurl in svn pre-dates windows 7 |
| 03:16.33 | blast007 | then we probably just need a new libcurl :P |
| 03:19.25 | randomparticle | i'd be inclined to blame my visual studio configuation first, but in this case the official 2.0.10 build has the same issue |
| 03:19.57 | randomparticle | could still be something in my environment i guess |
| 03:26.15 | randomparticle | ok. do you think we should blow up china? just an idea |
| 03:26.45 | randomparticle | might be somewhat tangential to the libcurl issue |
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| 03:35.58 | blast007 | randomparticle: I'm just waiting while Windows 7 finishes installing so I can test 2.0.10 |
| 03:36.53 | randomparticle | x86 or x64? |
| 03:37.07 | blast007 | oh yeah, x86 |
| 03:37.13 | blast007 | you have x64 |
| 03:38.08 | randomparticle | might still occur. who knows. it's just, i haven't heard of anyone else with this specific issue |
| 03:38.25 | blast007 | i've got x64 too |
| 03:48.00 | blast007 | randomparticle: pulling down 2.0.10 for the x86 one right now |
| 03:49.08 | randomparticle | great |
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| 03:57.57 | blast007 | randomparticle: worked fine in x86 |
| 03:58.01 | blast007 | I was able to get the list |
| 03:58.32 | blast007 | x64 is finishing up and almost to the desktop |
| 04:08.22 | blast007 | randomparticle: well, 2.0.10 load the list just fine for me in both x86 and x64 Windows 7 installs |
| 04:08.34 | blast007 | stock installs - no extra updates or software |
| 04:10.25 | blast007 | randomparticle: was this all after you messed around trying to get that C++ runtime installed? :) |
| 04:12.58 | jeffm | I don't think anyone has tried the libcurl in svn with a win64 build |
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| 04:15.48 | jeffm | blast007: what do you think about renamin the plugins release forum on bzbb to plugin and tools releases |
| 04:16.01 | jeffm | so it's bassicly all third party crap |
| 04:20.22 | blast007 | shrugs |
| 04:20.58 | blast007 | eventually it'd be nice to have a repository dedicated to map files, plugins, etc |
| 04:21.29 | blast007 | then we could have useful metadata like what versions of bzflag stuff requires and could sort by it |
| 04:22.06 | blast007 | I don't know if I'd like a combined "plugins" and "tools" section |
| 04:22.15 | blast007 | it's nice being able to go there specifically for server plugins |
| 04:24.17 | jeffm | yeah that'd be nice |
| 04:24.20 | randomparticle | back |
| 04:24.30 | jeffm | but I don't think they should be announced in the main versions section |
| 04:24.36 | jeffm | nor are they always development |
| 04:24.42 | randomparticle | this after a fresh install of win 7, blast. haven't had to mess around with the runtime |
| 04:24.43 | jeffm | but it'd be nice to have a place to announce them |
| 04:24.57 | blast007 | randomparticle: then maybe your computer just has problems ;) |
| 04:25.14 | blast007 | like I said, with 2.0.10, I haven't had a problem getting the list |
| 04:25.29 | blast007 | you were having that problem with 2.0.10, right? |
| 04:25.30 | jeffm | with a 64 bit build? |
| 04:25.44 | blast007 | no, he mentioned it happened with the official 2.0.10 build |
| 04:25.48 | jeffm | ahh |
| 04:25.51 | randomparticle | i'll try it again now. when it failed before was some time ago, so let's see if it works now |
| 04:25.53 | jeffm | then it's prolly firewal |
| 04:26.10 | randomparticle | works ok with latest svn libcurl though |
| 04:28.38 | randomparticle | yep. still says "Can't talk with list server" |
| 04:29.18 | randomparticle | 2.0.8 works my own build of latest 2.0.x works. but not 2.0.10 offi |
| 04:29.35 | blast007 | well, not sure what to tell ya |
| 04:29.39 | blast007 | I'm not having any issues here |
| 04:31.32 | randomparticle | i might do some packet sniffing later |
| 04:32.02 | jeffm | perhaps check your application and system logs too see if anything is getting blocked |
| 04:32.36 | jeffm | perhaps newer curl formats stuff different or calls newer socket stuff that windows 7 likes better with your setup |
| 04:32.48 | jeffm | any proxy setups or wierd nat? |
| 04:32.52 | randomparticle | no |
| 04:32.57 | jeffm | odd |
| 04:34.09 | randomparticle | bzadmin seems to work ok |
| 04:34.19 | randomparticle | joining a server directly |
| 04:34.25 | blast007 | does it work with auth? |
| 04:34.33 | randomparticle | yeah |
| 04:34.41 | blast007 | then the client should work too |
| 04:34.42 | jeffm | that uses curl |
| 04:34.45 | blast007 | since they do the same thing |
| 04:34.54 | blast007 | turn off your firewall |
| 04:35.28 | randomparticle | oh wait.. i'm not registered |
| 04:35.35 | randomparticle | so it doesn't work with auth |
| 04:35.44 | jeffm | that would make more sense then |
| 04:36.03 | blast007 | I didn't try auth |
| 04:36.07 | blast007 | but I could get a list no problem |
| 04:36.10 | blast007 | so I didn't bother trying |
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| 05:05.43 | randomparticle | have been sniffing packets |
| 05:05.56 | randomparticle | it's strange ... there's no traffic from bzflag 2.0.10 at all |
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| 18:26.16 | randomparticle | i'm getting this: |
| 18:26.17 | randomparticle | File transfer terminated with error from libcurl 6 : Could not resolve host: bzflag.org (Error reading file) |
| 18:26.31 | randomparticle | so the libcurl issue seems dns related |
| 18:26.54 | randomparticle | interestingly, the packet sniffer shows that no dns queries are issued |
| 18:27.28 | blast007 | sure your sniffer is set up right? do you get data from anything else? |
| 18:27.35 | randomparticle | yeah |
| 18:27.44 | randomparticle | i see the dns queries with other versions of bzflag |
| 18:28.04 | blast007 | shrugs |
| 18:28.05 | randomparticle | dns query, then fetch motd etc etc |
| 18:28.06 | blast007 | again, it works for me |
| 18:28.24 | blast007 | did you ever try turning your firewall off? |
| 18:28.31 | randomparticle | it's not that |
| 18:28.38 | blast007 | did you try? |
| 18:28.50 | randomparticle | i don't block anything outgoing |
| 18:28.58 | blast007 | did you try turning the firewall off? |
| 18:29.14 | randomparticle | i can't. that would be insecure |
| 18:29.30 | blast007 | so you're saying your using an insecure network? |
| 18:29.35 | randomparticle | yes |
| 18:31.45 | randomparticle | there's nothing that would block a dns query anyway. i mean, i'm happily looking up ip addresses all day :) |
| 18:32.07 | randomparticle | bzflag isn't issuing a query |
| 18:32.57 | randomparticle | i will see if i can find the bit of libcurl that resolves addresses |
| 18:33.40 | blast007 | again - it works for me. so something on YOUR computer is causing it. |
| 18:34.15 | Erroneous | have you tried using curl proper to retrieve the page? |
| 18:34.18 | blast007 | you don't have NOD32 antivirus, do you? |
| 18:34.24 | randomparticle | no |
| 18:34.48 | blast007 | k. I remember that antivirus incorrectly flagging bzflag as a browser ;) |
| 18:34.54 | randomparticle | heh |
| 18:35.37 | randomparticle | curl proper can't be compiled from the bzflag curl source |
| 18:35.44 | randomparticle | there are source files missing |
| 18:35.59 | randomparticle | howerver, i could try compiling the same version of curl downloaded from haxx.se |
| 18:37.07 | Erroneous | try both with and without c-ares. our own builds of curl should have c-ares enabled, you may be running into some problem with its resolver. |
| 18:38.56 | randomparticle | ah, ok |
| 18:39.11 | randomparticle | how can i disable c-ares? |
| 18:40.42 | randomparticle | ok, i think i have it |
| 18:41.13 | randomparticle | '/D "USE_CARES"' |
| 18:42.00 | Erroneous | if it seems to be c-ares causing the problem, and you're interested in going further, you can try debugging the "adig" sample that ships with c-ares. otherwise you can just rebuild bzflag's curl with ares disabled, and deal with blocking dns lookups. |
| 18:42.56 | Erroneous | 'course it might turn out to be something completely different, that's just a hunch I have |
| 18:42.57 | randomparticle | ok. am compiling now. let's see how this goes |
| 18:43.11 | blast007 | Erroneous: main thing is that he is having a problem with the official 2.0.10, and I couldn't reproduce it |
| 18:43.29 | blast007 | not with a clean install of Windows 7 x64 or x86, at least |
| 18:43.36 | Erroneous | blast007: if it's a resolver problem, it's probably something specific to his system configuration and/or isp |
| 18:43.46 | blast007 | k |
| 18:44.02 | randomparticle | well, the motd is coming up now |
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| 18:47.08 | randomparticle | is libcurl cross referencing the cares included with bzflag, or does it contain its own cares? |
| 18:47.32 | Erroneous | it should build with the one included with bzflag |
| 18:47.36 | randomparticle | ok |
| 18:47.57 | Erroneous | there may have been a time when we had two, though, so if you're on branch I don't know how exactly it's hooked up |
| 18:49.23 | randomparticle | there's a file 'hostares.c' in the libcurl source directory |
| 18:51.49 | randomparticle | well. i get the motd, i can get a list of servers. if i try to connect to one of those servers it says "server not found" |
| 18:54.16 | randomparticle | i might note also, the same source when compiled and run under OS X on the same machine works flawlessly |
| 18:57.07 | randomparticle | ok. am going to do the curl standalone thing |
| 18:57.19 | randomparticle | just need to get the right version |
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| 19:43.27 | randomparticle | ok. ahost.exe (c-ares 1.5.1) doesn't resolve www.bzflag.org |
| 19:43.42 | randomparticle | it works for c-ares 1.7.0 |
| 19:44.51 | randomparticle | albeit with some weird error |
| 19:46.21 | randomparticle | http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1uyWYPoGQjcKgJko5evsxmCFRGvsoV0 |
| 19:46.51 | randomparticle | adig works for both |
| 19:46.56 | randomparticle | no errors with that |
| 19:53.23 | randomparticle | ok. i know what the problem is |
| 19:54.14 | randomparticle | for some reason i can't quite fathom, my standard user is not allowed access to the hosts file |
| 19:54.39 | JeffM | so that a virus can't write to it |
| 19:54.44 | JeffM | it's a common thing for malware to do |
| 19:55.00 | randomparticle | antivir software may have set it like that? |
| 19:55.14 | JeffM | I belive it's a windows security thing |
| 19:55.17 | randomparticle | i see |
| 19:55.18 | WarPig | you should be able to READ the hosts file in any case |
| 19:55.24 | JeffM | WarPig: nope |
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| 19:55.33 | JeffM | no app needs to ever read it directly |
| 19:55.34 | WarPig | oh, windows, sry. |
| 19:55.41 | JeffM | they should all use the internal resolver |
| 19:55.58 | JeffM | so it's a simple thing to lock out and break a lot of malware with no real harm to normal users |
| 19:56.05 | JeffM | honestly we don't even need curl on windows |
| 19:56.12 | JeffM | we could just have the OS do it all |
| 19:56.16 | JeffM | then we'd get proxy support |
| 19:56.54 | JeffM | so was that diff between you and blast007? he was admin you are standard user? |
| 19:57.09 | randomparticle | i don't know. perhaps |
| 19:57.57 | JeffM | works for me as admin with the 2.0.10 downliad |
| 19:57.58 | JeffM | load |
| 20:02.46 | blast007 | yeah, I was an admin |
| 20:03.38 | randomparticle | ipfw under os x is driving me nuts grr :) |
| 20:03.54 | randomparticle | it has no persistent rules. the firewall rules are lost after a reboot |
| 20:04.14 | randomparticle | but there's no way of loading the rules before the interface comes up and connectivity is established |
| 20:04.46 | blast007 | you can't run a command as the interface comes up? |
| 20:05.12 | randomparticle | i could disable the connection, run an ipfw script, then enable it |
| 20:06.10 | randomparticle | as it is, it's like opening a bank to customers at 9.0am on monday morning, but the safe door is wide open until 9.05 am |
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| 20:28.36 | blast007 | randomparticle: also, I can read the hosts file as a normal user. so it's probably something your extra security software did. |
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| 20:30.22 | randomparticle | blast007: yes, does sound likely |
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| 20:37.09 | JeffM | so the older curl just dosn't like the fact that it can't read the hosts file? |
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| 20:45.02 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: 03Learner 07http://my.bzflag.org * r0 10/w/Special:Log/block: blocked [[User:221.206.60.174]] with an expiry time of infinite (anonymous users only, account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites |
| 20:45.05 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: 03Learner 07http://my.bzflag.org * r0 10/w/Special:Log/delete: |
| 20:45.05 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: deleted "[[Louis Vuitton Bags and Purses- Defining One Class and Elegance]]": |
| 20:45.05 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: content before blanking was: 'Louis Vuitton([http://www.cheaplvsale.com |
| 20:45.05 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: ???????????? ?????????]) is simply a class of its own, bringing in mind the |
| 20:45.06 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: classic style and the perfect bl...' |
| 21:01.28 | JeffM | you don't like handbags brlcad? ;) |
| 21:02.48 | brlcad | louis vuitton?! pfft. please. only coach or dkny for me. |
| 21:02.53 | JeffM | heh |
| 21:03.26 | JeffM | just throws all his crap int he back of his truck |
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| 21:05.21 | zomane | hey all |
| 21:06.25 | JeffM | hello |
| 21:06.33 | zomane | my t-shirts are here :) thanks Jeff |
| 21:06.37 | JeffM | cool |
| 21:06.44 | JeffM | glad they made it |
| 21:07.58 | zomane | they was in post office till 1 dec , but they cannot deliver notification because door of ourt building is always locked but mailboxes are inside building |
| 21:08.08 | zomane | ourt=our |
| 21:08.11 | JeffM | ahh |
| 21:08.17 | JeffM | that kinda sucks |
| 21:08.19 | JeffM | how do you get mail? |
| 21:08.53 | zomane | yep when its build noone didnt expect this door to be locked constantly |
| 21:09.19 | zomane | when postman has luck he gets inside with someone |
| 21:09.30 | zomane | that lives in building |
| 21:09.35 | JeffM | that has to suck |
| 21:10.13 | zomane | it sucks but ... postboxes are installed in different times |
| 21:10.37 | ruskie | hmmm more or less the same here... generally the postman receives a key for the outer door to get to the postboxes |
| 21:10.40 | zomane | with almost no criminal activity in country |
| 21:11.20 | zomane | in 80's door was always open |
| 21:12.02 | zomane | sometimes postman rings on random bell and if he gets lucky someone opens door |
| 21:12.26 | ruskie | why not get him a key for that door? |
| 21:14.01 | zomane | reasonable question, guys from water and electricity company has keys |
| 21:14.20 | ruskie | postmen around here tend to care quite a lot of keys |
| 21:14.24 | ruskie | erm cary |
| 21:14.46 | ruskie | a lot of buildings have closed entrances and boxes inside |
| 21:16.26 | zomane | in that building that I lives now we collect money and change boxes, now they can be accessed from outside without opening the door and we can open it from inside |
| 21:16.42 | ruskie | it's a solution |
| 21:16.48 | ruskie | if there's a spare wall to do so |
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