| 00:10.24 | *** join/#bzflag Murielle (n=murielle@unaffiliated/murielle) |
| 00:26.38 | remote | where can I post regarding an implementation of friend list and global communication channel for bzflag? |
| 00:27.39 | blast007 | remote: on the forum? |
| 00:27.47 | remote | really? |
| 00:27.57 | remote | are you a dev? |
| 00:28.14 | blast007 | yes |
| 00:28.23 | Murielle | really ? :P |
| 00:28.24 | blast007 | that was a rather vague question though |
| 00:28.24 | remote | here's my idea |
| 00:28.49 | blast007 | 2.99.x already has global chat |
| 00:28.57 | remote | oh |
| 00:29.08 | blast007 | look for 'hub' in the code |
| 00:29.32 | remote | my idea hack a bot that would provide a global communication channel and might well as friend list so you can msg all your online friends |
| 00:29.40 | blast007 | supports creating chat channels and sending messages to individual users |
| 00:29.53 | remote | since i don't know c++ and am not interested i thought it might be easy to make a bot that sits on all the bzflag servers |
| 00:30.05 | blast007 | and it's done with lua, so it can be updated without having to push out a new client |
| 00:30.06 | remote | when is it going to be stable? |
| 00:30.09 | remote | oh |
| 00:30.22 | blast007 | well, I mean, you need a 2.99.x client |
| 00:30.26 | remote | i never heard of bzflag 2.99 |
| 00:30.32 | blast007 | it's our SVN version |
| 00:30.40 | temporalD | trunk code |
| 00:30.44 | remote | the dev branch? |
| 00:30.45 | remote | ya |
| 00:30.46 | remote | ok |
| 00:30.48 | blast007 | no, trunk |
| 00:30.53 | blast007 | it's not a branch |
| 00:31.04 | remote | that's what i ment |
| 00:31.15 | remote | so is there an ETA for a 2.99 release? |
| 00:31.27 | temporalD | "when it's done" |
| 00:31.30 | remote | well a branch is just a folder |
| 00:31.37 | remote | in svn |
| 00:32.20 | remote | so might it be cool to have a global communication channel until then or might it be released soon? |
| 00:32.35 | Murielle | goood idea remote :) |
| 00:32.39 | remote | i'm thinking of doign this in python + twisted to connect to all servers and sit there |
| 00:32.39 | temporalD | lol |
| 00:33.01 | remote | i mean it would be handy but if 2.99 is about to be released there's no point in me taking the time to develope this |
| 00:33.19 | temporalD | remote, see how it is done in trunk now, so you don't reinvent it |
| 00:33.31 | temporalD | but I doubt that 2.99 will be released anytime soon |
| 00:33.32 | remote | but it's in lua |
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| 00:33.43 | remote | i just want to make a "Relay bot" |
| 00:34.13 | temporalD | my impression is that 2.99 has a lot of work left before it is ready and there is no active development now (that I see) |
| 00:34.25 | remote | ok |
| 00:34.37 | temporalD | so remote, make your bot and maybe the code will be only good for a while |
| 00:34.51 | temporalD | then tossed when 3.0 is finally released... |
| 00:35.20 | remote | what are the implications of a bot like that, am I allowed to make it join all the servers? |
| 00:35.25 | temporalD | or who knows, maybe it will be so good it could be rolled in |
| 00:35.32 | remote | perhaps i'd just make it join servers with over N players |
| 00:35.43 | temporalD | you should make it so the owners have to opt in to the chatting |
| 00:36.01 | temporalD | don't just join a bot to everyone's servers for this purpose |
| 00:36.15 | Murielle | Oh remote ? i have heard someone who wanted to implement an irc client in bzflag...why dont you talk to her? |
| 00:36.40 | remote | i don't want to make an irc client for bzflag |
| 00:37.20 | temporalD | what is hte idea again? a hub for chatting with players on other servers? |
| 00:37.30 | Murielle | her idea is very close to yours. Using irc for a global chat.... |
| 00:37.39 | remote | temporalD: i don't want it to talk anywhere, just people would send it commands like register, addfriend, sendmsg, listonlinefriends, etc. |
| 00:38.14 | temporalD | ah, a buddies thingie |
| 00:38.23 | remote | yes |
| 00:38.37 | remote | but it would allow you to send global messages to your online friends |
| 00:39.01 | remote | like "anyone want to match?" shout |
| 00:39.06 | remote | but really any message |
| 00:39.21 | Murielle | irc client :) |
| 00:39.22 | remote | this is the only purpose for a global channel, regrouping players |
| 00:39.31 | remote | no no it has nothing to do with irc |
| 00:39.49 | Murielle | could be a first step :) |
| 00:39.57 | Murielle | easy step |
| 00:40.02 | remote | no |
| 00:40.05 | Murielle | yes |
| 00:40.09 | remote | it would be an additional layer |
| 00:40.11 | remote | ok whatever :) |
| 00:40.13 | temporalD | shush you two |
| 00:40.21 | Murielle | you too temporalD |
| 00:40.26 | temporalD | :) |
| 00:40.29 | Murielle | :) |
| 00:40.52 | remote | who wants to make a bzflag to irc proxy? |
| 00:41.21 | Murielle | she wants to do it |
| 00:42.01 | remote | who? |
| 00:42.07 | Murielle | she |
| 00:42.29 | Murielle | Nana |
| 00:46.57 | remote | i heard Nana is you |
| 00:47.12 | Murielle | I heard that too |
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| 01:05.13 | trepan | bz3 already has an IRC'ish feature |
| 01:05.46 | temporalD | yea, remote is talking about adding it to the 2.0 code somehow |
| 01:05.59 | temporalD | (not the lua hub - a brand new one) |
| 01:06.44 | blast007 | remote: I'd recommend not joining a bot to every server unless you like getting banned ;) |
| 01:07.03 | blast007 | a "relay bot" is kinda stupid anyway |
| 01:08.43 | blast007 | and has already been done at least twice |
| 01:08.59 | blast007 | remote: http://sourceforge.net/projects/bzlinker/ |
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| 01:14.22 | remote | oh |
| 01:15.05 | remote | so if there exist solutions, why aren't they used? |
| 01:16.54 | blast007 | cuz they're annoying |
| 01:17.12 | blast007 | they join a bot to the server and forward chat across servers |
| 01:17.57 | temporalD | the webpage solutions are better IMO - Strayers |
| 01:21.46 | blast007 | bzlinker isn't for friends lists either |
| 01:21.47 | blast007 | just chat |
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| 01:32.19 | Murielle | hub is an irc implementation ? |
| 01:32.37 | temporalD | no, but follows the same conventions |
| 01:33.31 | Murielle | why does it suck, then ? |
| 01:34.04 | temporalD | well the hub doesn't suck, it's not done yet |
| 01:34.24 | temporalD | the other "bot-based relay chat" attempts suck |
| 01:35.25 | Murielle | i agree |
| 01:35.57 | Murielle | i prefer her idea "an irc client implementation inside bzflag" :-) |
| 01:36.07 | blast007 | I never said anything about hub sucking |
| 01:36.13 | blast007 | that's a real solution |
| 01:36.27 | blast007 | not a bot client on crack ;) |
| 01:37.00 | blast007 | and the hub already works |
| 01:37.07 | Murielle | hum ? i wish my english would have been better ...... |
| 01:37.27 | blast007 | relay bot joining each server == bad |
| 01:37.36 | Murielle | yes |
| 01:37.37 | temporalD | IANADev, but it seems the current hub code is just a few (large) steps away from bridging to IRC |
| 01:37.39 | Murielle | I agree |
| 01:37.40 | blast007 | hub (which is built into the client and doesn't involve the server) == good |
| 01:38.07 | Murielle | she was thinking about an irc client inside bzflag |
| 01:38.15 | blast007 | temporalD: I've never liked the idea of bridging to IRC |
| 01:38.32 | temporalD | too many security holes? |
| 01:38.36 | blast007 | too limiting |
| 01:38.58 | temporalD | i see |
| 01:39.04 | blast007 | can't have spaces in names, at least with any of the IRC servers I've been on |
| 01:39.07 | blast007 | for example |
| 01:39.22 | blast007 | and if you use an existing IRC server, then you're gonna have naming conflicts |
| 01:39.51 | Murielle | true |
| 01:40.01 | blast007 | still not sure if I totally like the hub the way it is right now |
| 01:40.22 | Murielle | (( sometimes, blast007 said really true stuffs )) |
| 01:40.25 | temporalD | so make people who want to chat to IRC use their IRC nicks in the game-chat |
| 01:40.26 | blast007 | http://static.bzexcess.com/misc_screenshots/Albatross18_Lobby.png <-- example of a lobby in another game |
| 01:40.37 | temporalD | who says the game chat nick has to be the same as the game callsign? |
| 01:40.44 | blast007 | temporalD: that's completely less intuitive |
| 01:40.49 | Murielle | true temporalD !!!! |
| 01:40.51 | mrapplecomputer1 | blast007: IT WORKS!!!! |
| 01:40.58 | blast007 | mrapplecomputer1: uh |
| 01:40.59 | mrapplecomputer1 | its alive :D |
| 01:41.10 | mrapplecomputer1 | wanna see it? :) |
| 01:41.15 | blast007 | mrapplecomputer1: in another channel, please. |
| 01:41.20 | temporalD | blast007: not much about BZflag is intuitive |
| 01:41.22 | mrapplecomputer1 | oh sorry |
| 01:41.28 | blast007 | temporalD: so why make it worse? |
| 01:41.34 | temporalD | lol yea yea |
| 01:42.19 | blast007 | people get into the client "hai, want to use global chat? Okay! Well, provide us with a different name from what you play with, cuz you have spaces! Nope, sorry, someone unrelated to bz is using that one, try again!" |
| 01:42.44 | blast007 | iirc, jabber was a better bet |
| 01:43.14 | temporalD | huh - that's a good idea |
| 01:43.15 | Murielle | let do it wit jabber :) |
| 01:43.54 | temporalD | there should be a rule about dev - if you want to add a feature, you must also fix an equal amount of current bugs |
| 01:44.08 | temporalD | (not that I have any standing to make dev rules...) :) |
| 01:44.42 | Murielle | she will do it only for the fun :) |
| 01:44.42 | blast007 | temporalD: haha, that would be great, wouldn't it! |
| 01:44.52 | blast007 | and now, back to reality ;) |
| 01:45.21 | Murielle | which one? |
| 01:45.26 | blast007 | the one on the left |
| 01:45.36 | Murielle | oh that one! |
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| 01:46.00 | blast007 | I don't think the underlying protocol is as big of an issue right now |
| 01:46.13 | blast007 | the UI of the game is just so... old.. |
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| 01:46.48 | blast007 | wasn't as bad before, but we've added a lot of features since the early versions of the game. |
| 01:47.24 | Murielle | we could add a panel for jabber chat :) |
| 01:47.38 | Murielle | s/we/you |
| 01:47.40 | blast007 | the entire UI could be redone |
| 01:47.41 | Murielle | :P |
| 01:47.51 | blast007 | but I'm not much of a C++/OpenGL guy ;) |
| 01:47.58 | blast007 | if the game was PHP and HTML, sure |
| 01:48.01 | Murielle | :-o |
| 01:48.17 | Murielle | let re code bzflag in html !!! |
| 01:48.19 | MindstormsKid | :P |
| 01:48.28 | blast007 | ASCII BZFlag |
| 01:48.31 | temporalD | java!!! |
| 01:48.37 | blast007 | kills temporalD |
| 01:48.38 | MindstormsKid | javascript!!! |
| 01:48.40 | MindstormsKid | :P |
| 01:48.43 | temporalD | lolol |
| 01:49.06 | Murielle | jave is cool :) |
| 01:50.22 | Murielle | temporalD is cool too |
| 01:50.52 | temporalD | aww thx |
| 01:51.29 | Murielle | i am a liar |
| 01:51.31 | Murielle | :P |
| 01:51.33 | MindstormsKid | i wouldn't think you could get 100fps in javascript even with WebGL |
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| 01:52.01 | Murielle | i said "java is cool" and i didnt say "javascript is cool" btw |
| 01:52.05 | blast007 | but what about all those people using IE6! |
| 01:52.21 | MindstormsKid | xulrunner ftw :P |
| 01:53.10 | MindstormsKid | or chromeframe :P |
| 01:53.14 | Murielle | they are a myth. i do not think they are really existing |
| 01:54.01 | MindstormsKid | 9_9 |
| 02:30.18 | brlcad | http://ahs3.blogspot.com/2009/11/bzflag-map-making-tutorial-part-1.html |
| 02:30.24 | brlcad | ahs3-: nice |
| 02:30.50 | ahs3- | brlcad, thanks |
| 02:33.57 | xaver__ | lol i have my own may alrady ^^ |
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| 03:10.21 | blast007 | ahs3-: totally should have had a pacman arc example ;) |
| 03:11.03 | ahs3- | lol |
| 03:11.15 | ahs3- | good idea for next tut |
| 03:25.33 | remote | ahs3-: |
| 03:26.07 | ahs3- | remote, ? |
| 03:26.24 | remote | i'm keke |
| 03:26.50 | remote | did you check my mail? |
| 03:28.02 | ahs3- | yes i did, i'll put it up |
| 03:28.38 | remote | cool |
| 03:29.18 | remote | you know how you have a repeated message on the public server saying no cheating, etc. |
| 03:29.47 | remote | i thought we might advertise the map is available for official match on openleague in repeated messages since it's new and people are not aware of it |
| 03:32.11 | remote | can someone tell me more about acceleration rules? |
| 03:32.16 | remote | i heard something about special mices |
| 03:32.52 | remote | that might advantage players if no rules are set |
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| 04:05.35 | AAA_awright | remote: Different settings can allow you to move the mouse cursor faster or slower I gues |
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| 04:06.52 | AAA_awright | -a limits how fast the linear and angular velocity may change (iirc) it is more for dead reckoning than mice I thought |
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| 14:51.09 | mebigfatguy | killall -9 firefox |
| 14:51.15 | mebigfatguy | oops |
| 14:57.00 | Constitution | firefox crashed? must be bad RAM or bad mobo or bad chassis |
| 14:57.17 | WarPig_ | or bad mojo |
| 15:03.18 | ts | Constitution: There are more problems..like FF itself. |
| 15:03.36 | Constitution | whistles and looks away |
| 15:04.02 | ts | Almost any software has bugs :p |
| 15:04.19 | joevano | not BZFlag ;) |
| 15:04.32 | cygal | whistles and looks away |
| 15:08.26 | Constitution | lots of whistling in here... I think the birds are out |
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| 15:20.01 | ts | Constitution: I have a different theory; it could be the first signs of bird flu. |
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| 17:36.36 | bushido_banjo | can anyone here help me with a question about the scm repository? |
| 17:37.35 | blast007 | maybe |
| 17:37.46 | blast007 | can you be more specific? |
| 17:38.23 | bushido_banjo | ty. i want to compile v2.99 and there are two branches... shot and net. any reason to use one over the other? |
| 17:38.30 | blast007 | don't use either |
| 17:38.35 | blast007 | use trunk code |
| 17:39.00 | bushido_banjo | ? |
| 17:39.12 | blast007 | those are branches off the trunk code |
| 17:39.25 | blast007 | trunk is the main area for development of the next version of BZFlag |
| 17:39.36 | bushido_banjo | that would be v3.0? |
| 17:39.42 | blast007 | 2.99.x |
| 17:39.53 | blast007 | which will be 3.0.0 when released |
| 17:39.54 | bushido_banjo | ah. ok. good to know. ty. |
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| 20:30.44 | JefferyM | so, splats or gears? |
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| 20:45.15 | JefferyM | http://www.awesomelaser.com/tmp/splatLine.png |
| 20:45.28 | JefferyM | ain't really straight, but hey it was done on my TV |
| 20:53.08 | JefferyM | http://www.awesomelaser.com/tmp/straight_splat_polo.png |
| 20:53.23 | JefferyM | think of that on a polo shirt or a hoodie |
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| 21:02.35 | JefferyM | and then this on a hat, http://www.awesomelaser.com/tmp/Gearhat2.png |
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| 21:11.54 | Gabe_G23 | JefferyM: nice |
| 21:12.05 | JefferyM | it's not my work |
| 21:12.17 | JefferyM | it's saturos' I just reconfigured it |
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| 22:27.27 | brlcad | JefferyM: gearhat.. pretty cool :) |
| 22:28.00 | brlcad | er, sorry .. meant splatline |
| 22:28.24 | brlcad | needs more splat |
| 22:28.31 | brlcad | but it's good |
| 22:28.48 | JefferyM | splat was for a shirt |
| 22:29.08 | JefferyM | we only get 8000 stitches for free so more detail costs more |
| 22:29.13 | brlcad | straight_splat_line pretty nifty too, for a shirt |
| 22:29.22 | JefferyM | I could do a splathat the same way |
| 22:29.54 | brlcad | splatline on a hat would look good |
| 22:30.06 | brlcad | maybe shift up the bzflag.org a smidgen |
| 22:30.17 | JefferyM | hat has more height then width |
| 22:30.22 | JefferyM | I'll work out one |
| 22:31.06 | brlcad | tried anything with the tank being the "o" in org or the dot? |
| 22:31.33 | JefferyM | fonts we use are a lot thiner but I can try |
| 22:31.42 | JefferyM | I will ponder |
| 22:41.40 | remote | are t-shirt good sellers? |
| 22:44.50 | nonentity | I have five. |
| 22:46.13 | remote | I'm asking because I've been thinking bzflag could use new users and thought there might be place for additional propaganda for the game |
| 22:46.32 | JefferyM | we sell less then 100 a year |
| 22:46.57 | JefferyM | disposable income is not a big thing in our core playerbase (13-15 year olds) |
| 22:47.57 | JefferyM | and have you ever gone to a site you saw on a t-shirt for anything? ;) |
| 22:48.19 | remote | I don't think so |
| 22:48.53 | JefferyM | if we REALLy wanted to get more players, I'd spend some of the SOC money on project wonderfull ads for webcommic sites |
| 22:48.58 | JefferyM | specificly game related ones |
| 22:49.08 | JefferyM | but I think the game needs more polish before that money would be spent |
| 22:49.51 | remote | I hear you |
| 22:50.15 | remote | someone said the next release is not in active developement do you know if that's true? |
| 22:50.32 | trepan | JefferyM: some things can't be polished, or so the expression goes ;) |
| 22:50.38 | JefferyM | depends on your definition of active |
| 22:50.43 | JefferyM | trepan: indeed |
| 22:50.53 | remote | i could just check the svn logs i guess |
| 22:51.10 | JefferyM | it could be cleaned up, but it would be more then just a simple pollish pass |
| 22:51.20 | JefferyM | consisiten UI, stability, etc... |
| 22:51.30 | JefferyM | some things would have to be redone/changed a bit |
| 22:51.30 | remote | features |
| 22:51.33 | remote | :) |
| 22:51.41 | JefferyM | no, I would not increase the feature set |
| 22:51.53 | JefferyM | I would make the existing feature set work consitently |
| 22:52.02 | JefferyM | get a solid foundation before building more |
| 22:52.10 | remote | nods |
| 22:52.46 | JefferyM | it is debtable if time would be better spent on a group up rewrite IMHO |
| 22:53.18 | brlcad | trepan: it depends, if it hardens up like a rock it could be polished ;) |
| 22:53.26 | brlcad | petrification ftw! |
| 22:53.47 | JefferyM | rocks are easier to mine first then waiting for a turd to petrify ;) |
| 22:53.50 | trepan | mythbusters did an episode on that one, iirc |
| 22:54.14 | brlcad | with a pressure chamger? :) |
| 22:54.37 | JefferyM | that's more expensive then mining ;) |
| 22:55.04 | JefferyM | in general you'd only do that if you were sentemantly attached to the thing in the first place |
| 22:55.11 | JefferyM | but it all depends on goals, etc.. |
| 22:55.30 | JefferyM | I think time wize it'd be equal ether way. |
| 22:55.56 | brlcad | nothing preventing those that aren't sentimentally attached from making their own (new turds) regardless :) |
| 22:56.14 | JefferyM | except time and desire |
| 22:56.25 | JefferyM | but that's the same thing that's keeping the current stuff where it is |
| 22:56.27 | JefferyM | such is life |
| 22:57.28 | JefferyM | needs to find sox |
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| 23:00.25 | JefferyM | brlcad: so you prefer splats to gears? |
| 23:00.30 | JefferyM | I think I can make splats work |
| 23:01.07 | JefferyM | or the old logo |
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| 23:49.51 | CIA-65 | FTGL: 03brlcad * r1224 10/trunk/docs/doxygen.cfg.in: |
| 23:49.52 | CIA-65 | FTGL: there seems to either be a bug in the latex output from doxygen or a bug in |
| 23:49.52 | CIA-65 | FTGL: latex in parsing what look like perfectly valid label names. either way, the |
| 23:49.52 | CIA-65 | FTGL: doc generation is failing on at least some linux systems and will succeed |
| 23:49.52 | CIA-65 | FTGL: correctly if PDF_HYPERLINKS are enabled (which are awesome to have regardless). |
| 23:49.54 | CIA-65 | FTGL: bug was reported by geoff sauerborn of ARL. |
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