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| 00:15.51 | Nitroxis | hi |
| 00:16.19 | Nitroxis | i have a problem: i cant find bzfquery.php |
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| 00:17.46 | Nitroxis | ah ok i found it |
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| 00:41.27 | CIA-77 | BZFlag: 03will07c5 * r20275 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (4 files in 3 dirs): transforms are better but still not quite right |
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| 01:05.04 | joevano | wow my repository was 400+ commits behind, you guys have been busy |
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| 01:20.49 | trepan | blast007: i might take a quick look into implementing bzdb cache dependencies |
| 01:21.12 | trepan | blast007: did you have a specific reason for previously having asked about it? |
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| 02:09.49 | Bambino | Spam = http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=14517 |
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| 02:26.37 | CIA-77 | BZFlag: 03bthansen * r20276 10/trunk/bzflag/TODO: Fix some typos |
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| 03:28.24 | Bambino | What just happened...? |
| 03:28.41 | Bambino | k |
| 03:29.03 | Bambino | nvm |
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| 03:35.08 | Mets | netsplit |
| 03:35.28 | Mets | is what that's called |
| 03:43.55 | delusional | one IRC server passed it's users on to another |
| 03:50.25 | Bambino | pr0n spam account - http://my.bzflag.org/bb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=42962 |
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| 03:51.19 | Bambino | Why has spam been so bad lately? |
| 03:51.42 | Think_Differentl | yeah, isn't there a captcha to register? |
| 03:51.57 | Quol | hey all |
| 03:52.04 | Bambino | hey Quol |
| 03:56.45 | Bambino | Someone has seemed to have missed this http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=14517 |
| 03:56.49 | Bambino | *nag* |
| 03:56.54 | Bambino | *whine* |
| 04:26.09 | blast007 | trepan: well, I had been running a /set for something, and then someone else noticied that variables that referenced that one didn't update until you rejoined |
| 04:26.42 | blast007 | think we were playing around with some of the settings related to tank size to see if it affected the hit zones |
| 04:34.28 | trepan | blast007: ok, i've got most of it done |
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| 04:34.41 | jcp | I know I asked this before, but I'm totally spacing it atm. If I want to build a 2.0.x plugin, what repository location should I check out the source from? |
| 04:35.13 | trepan | have a record of dependents per item, but not dependencies (so unset()'s are the problem, but we could leave old depencies ;) |
| 04:35.45 | trepan | hm, s/depencies/dependencies/ |
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| 04:38.10 | blast007 | jcp: the information should be on the SVN page in the wiki.. |
| 04:41.22 | jcp | *facepalm* |
| 04:41.23 | jcp | that's it |
| 04:41.38 | jcp | oh, and blast007, http://my.bzflag.org/w/Image:Template-info.svg is giving me some "error creating thumbnail" message |
| 04:41.41 | jcp | What's up with that? |
| 04:43.27 | blast007 | probably missing something to process SVG to an image |
| 04:47.00 | jcp | hmm |
| 04:47.02 | jcp | It used to work |
| 04:47.06 | jcp | But it's no big deal |
| 04:49.08 | CIA-77 | BZFlag: 03Javawizard2539 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6568 10/w/User:Javawizard2539/templates/apicall: I give up. No-one's ever going to delete this page :) |
| 04:49.41 | temp_dist | lol |
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| 05:20.57 | Pogovina | brlcad, i heard you mentioned the bzcake? |
| 05:21.26 | Pogovina | pokes spldart and waves gnite |
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| 06:54.55 | Bambino | is it possible to have the mouse clamp feature in 2.0.X? |
| 06:55.18 | Bambino | or would it be considered a cheat, as it gives a slight advantage... |
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| 14:10.12 | brlcad | Pogovina: yes, I did |
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| 14:14.32 | brlcad | you can't see it in the interview without the video (obviously) but while I was talking, they displayed hans hermert's "balloon tank", so it was a nice lead in to talk about community works |
| 14:18.40 | spldart | mmMMMMmmm bztank cake [/homer] |
| 14:20.12 | Manu | bites the bztank cake |
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| 16:22.04 | CIA-77 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20277 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: |
| 16:22.04 | CIA-77 | BZFlag: * added bzdbGlobalCallback() so that worldEventManager can generated |
| 16:22.04 | CIA-77 | BZFlag: callback events for all bzfs BZDB variable changes, not just those |
| 16:22.04 | CIA-77 | BZFlag: registered with onGlobalChanged(). |
| 16:24.27 | trepan | i guess that also begs the question as to whether or not bzdbGlobalCallback() should also be used to send the network messages |
| 16:25.43 | trepan | what can happen now is: 1. client A joins 2. bzdb.SetString('test', 'junk') 3. client B joins, and gets 'test' via PackVars -- client A never sees 'test' |
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| 17:03.09 | Pogovina | brlcad: Can you link me to the interview please? |
| 17:03.36 | blast007 | http://twit.tv/floss78 |
| 17:05.20 | CIA-77 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20278 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (CmdLineOptions.cxx bzfs.cxx bzfs.h): * replaced onGlobalChanged() & addBzfsCallback() with bzfsGlobalCallback() |
| 17:05.51 | Pogovina | thanks! |
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| 18:17.01 | spldart | eek |
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| 18:53.15 | Bambino | I am going to bet this guy is a spammer http://my.bzflag.org/bb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=42975 |
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| 19:16.28 | jcp | I'm trying to build bzflag on ubuntu. I installed (via apt-get) xlibmesa-gl-dev, as recommended by README, but I'm still getting configure: WARNING: Client build has been requested, but GL is not fully available (missing gl.h)... disabling client generation. What's up with that? |
| 19:19.13 | spldart | I hate that error. You got a glx dev package too? |
| 19:19.30 | spldart | iirc appropriate one to the driver for the vid card |
| 19:19.52 | spldart | I don't have my dependency notes in front of me :( |
| 19:21.03 | jcp | spldart: wait, glx? |
| 19:21.08 | jcp | hasn't heard of it |
| 19:21.14 | spldart | Occasionaly I've run into gl packages with broken links as well.. In the debian repos. and had to fix it manually. But that's rare for both deb and ubuntu |
| 19:21.19 | spldart | maybe it was just gl |
| 19:21.23 | jcp | But I was able to apt-get install bzflag ok, and that works fine. I just can't build from source |
| 19:21.42 | spldart | nvidia gl dev or whateva comes with ati if you use repos. |
| 19:22.03 | spldart | Oh yeah.. you can have the module inserted and have accell but you need a bit more to do the build.. |
| 19:22.12 | jcp | hmm |
| 19:22.33 | spldart | I'm sure someone else can help with that last bit I'm trying to remember. I don't have my notes on sdl packages, gl packages etc. |
| 19:23.26 | jcp | ok |
| 19:23.44 | jcp | Is there a way to search the apt repositories for a package that supplies a particular file? |
| 19:23.54 | jcp | (such as one that supplies gl.h, which is what bzflag is missing) |
| 19:24.44 | spldart | I dunno for sure.. Are you using ubunutu's repo supplied driver module for your card? Or did you install the manufacturers? |
| 19:25.17 | Manu | spldart: autofacturers? ;) |
| 19:25.28 | jcp | I honestly don't know. I just installed ubuntu and everything works :) |
| 19:25.33 | spldart | ah |
| 19:25.33 | spldart | ic |
| 19:25.53 | spldart | then you have 3d accell. but prolly not much of the dev packages |
| 19:31.04 | blast007 | jcp: make sure you installed the C++ compiler |
| 19:31.19 | jcp | blast007: what? |
| 19:31.20 | Pogovina | \o |
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| 19:31.26 | jcp | I have gcc and g++ if that's what you mean |
| 19:31.30 | blast007 | ok |
| 19:31.37 | jcp | since SDL compiled fine |
| 19:31.51 | blast007 | you compiled your own SDL? |
| 19:32.10 | jcp | yeah, I couldn't figure out how to apt-get install it so I ended up building it myself |
| 19:32.14 | blast007 | .. |
| 19:32.17 | spldart | woah |
| 19:32.23 | cygal | bad idea |
| 19:32.26 | blast007 | have fun with that |
| 19:32.31 | spldart | heh :( |
| 19:32.46 | jcp | Honestly, though, I'm fine without the client binary. What I want to build is the server binary |
| 19:32.46 | spldart | certainly ubuntu has all ready made sdl packages |
| 19:32.50 | blast007 | makes "kaboom" sounds |
| 19:32.53 | jcp | But that doesn't seem to be building |
| 19:32.59 | spldart | --disable-client |
| 19:33.06 | spldart | ?? |
| 19:33.17 | jcp | Wait, are all these options documented somewhere? |
| 19:33.24 | blast007 | uh, yeah |
| 19:33.28 | blast007 | ./configure --help :P |
| 19:33.28 | jcp | is still way new to building on linux |
| 19:33.31 | spldart | Is that the proper configure |
| 19:33.32 | spldart | oh |
| 19:33.33 | spldart | hehe |
| 19:33.34 | jcp | ...and ./configure |
| 19:33.37 | spldart | that's 'll get it |
| 19:33.40 | jcp | ok |
| 19:33.53 | blast007 | you probably want --enable-shared too |
| 19:33.57 | blast007 | so it builds plugin |
| 19:34.00 | blast007 | plugins* |
| 19:34.00 | spldart | mmMMmm pl... |
| 19:34.03 | spldart | beat me |
| 19:34.09 | Thumper_ | *twap* |
| 19:34.26 | spldart | ouch |
| 19:34.29 | jcp | blast007: yeah, I got that |
| 19:34.30 | blast007 | assuming you're building 2.0.x |
| 19:34.33 | jcp | yeah |
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| 19:39.44 | jcp | Great, now I'm getting this: http://pastebin.com/m60869bce |
| 19:40.23 | blast007 | sounds like you need to reinstall Windows |
| 19:40.44 | _anomaly_ | sounds like you may need some -dev packages |
| 19:41.18 | jcp | Windows? |
| 19:41.19 | jcp | huh? |
| 19:41.29 | jcp | This would be linux |
| 19:41.41 | cygal | trepan: your changes on time broke replay |
| 19:41.54 | cygal | I wonder if a 'global review of time' would help |
| 19:41.54 | spldart | ubuntu and yeah.. he needs some dev packages |
| 19:42.03 | spldart | I just can't remember exactly which one |
| 19:42.27 | _anomaly_ | -dev for gl sounds like |
| 19:43.00 | blast007 | jcp: you obviously missed the joke |
| 19:43.15 | _anomaly_ | try dpkg -l | grep libgl | awk '{print $2}' |
| 19:43.27 | _anomaly_ | tha \t will print all your gl libs (and more) |
| 19:43.38 | blast007 | _anomaly_: that error there isn't about GL |
| 19:43.42 | _anomaly_ | you should have -dev packages for them as well |
| 19:43.49 | _anomaly_ | okay |
| 19:44.09 | blast007 | jcp: do you know how to use google? :) |
| 19:44.27 | jcp | I'm using it right now, and everything's confusing me |
| 19:46.44 | blast007 | I've never seen the error you got there, so maybe you just screwed up your install by compiling your own libraries :) |
| 19:48.04 | _anomaly_ | did you rerun configure after you installed all the dev packages? |
| 20:04.21 | trepan | cygal: which changes? |
| 20:04.33 | cygal | I don't know, tracking the bug right now |
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| 20:04.56 | cygal | launching a server in replay mode triggers an infinite loop in while ((dropTime = FlagInfo::getNextDrop(tm)) <= 0.0f) { |
| 20:05.15 | cygal | bzfs.cxx:4053 |
| 20:05.34 | cygal | and since you're the only one that actually worked on bzflag before the last time it worked.. |
| 20:05.46 | trepan | shouldn't be in that code anyways, afaik |
| 20:06.01 | cygal | what should not be in the code? |
| 20:06.13 | trepan | not in replay mode |
| 20:06.36 | trepan | ex: sendFlagUpdateMessage() <-- should be done with replay packets, not new net packets |
| 20:07.08 | cygal | I noticed that too much things were sent in replay mode indeed |
| 20:07.21 | cygal | at least the recorded packets are sent twice |
| 20:08.03 | trepan | so some lower level things got broken since 2.0, and before i started adding to 2.99 |
| 20:08.42 | cygal | which means a lot of changes, doesn't it? |
| 20:08.53 | trepan | basically, all game logic and related packets should be disabled during replay |
| 20:09.05 | cygal | the weird thing is that packets are sent once, and then sent again in the same order |
| 20:09.27 | cygal | it's not as if they were sent two by two |
| 20:09.31 | trepan | are they doubled up in the buffer? |
| 20:09.48 | trepan | or is it the sending mechanism? |
| 20:09.56 | cygal | I don't know yet |
| 20:10.09 | cygal | sendPackets sends every packet once, and then redoes it again |
| 20:11.46 | trepan | i see "msg->send(gkPlayer->netHandler, p->code);" , where's the second one? |
| 20:13.22 | cygal | no I meand sendPackets is called twice for each packet |
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| 20:13.35 | cygal | say there are 3 packets, the send order is 1 2 3 1 2 3 |
| 20:13.42 | cygal | meant* |
| 20:14.22 | cygal | sorry if it wasn't clear |
| 20:16.02 | cygal | anyway I can't even run the server now |
| 20:21.41 | cygal | but it's the same problem than before : two clocks seem to be used in replay |
| 20:21.45 | cygal | so weird bug appear |
| 20:24.19 | trepan | the local server time, and the replay time? |
| 20:24.33 | cygal | honestly I still don't really know |
| 20:24.49 | trepan | because you need both to send out packets |
| 20:26.29 | trepan | if you haven't already looked at it: Replay::nextTime() is the key |
| 20:26.39 | cygal | thanks |
| 20:27.18 | jcp | yes! it built! |
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| 21:05.23 | Will07c5|laptop | ugh I think I'm just going to give up on getting transformations in bzwb fully working for now |
| 21:06.27 | Will07c5|laptop | they are almost right but they don't show up exactly in the right place |
| 21:06.32 | JefferyM | k |
| 21:06.37 | JefferyM | probalby order of ops |
| 21:07.37 | Will07c5|laptop | yeah that is what I was thinking, but I must be missing something since I tried them in several different orders |
| 21:08.47 | JefferyM | I'd look at it now if I could but I'm stuck working on mac resources :( |
| 21:09.02 | Will07c5|laptop | I'll just look at it later, usually if I put something down for a little while I get an idea |
| 21:09.07 | Will07c5|laptop | mac resources? |
| 21:09.12 | JefferyM | yep |
| 21:10.17 | JefferyM | dislikes uing MCP |
| 21:12.04 | Will07c5|laptop | heh I don't even know what MCP is |
| 21:12.56 | JefferyM | Macintosh Compatability Platform |
| 21:13.17 | JefferyM | libs that implement the Mac OS Classic API on dos and windows |
| 21:13.20 | Will07c5|laptop | oh that I think I remember you talking about that |
| 21:13.29 | JefferyM | yeah, it's horrible |
| 21:13.35 | JefferyM | pascal strings suck |
| 21:13.43 | Will07c5|laptop | sounds like no fun :( |
| 21:13.55 | JefferyM | it is what it is |
| 21:14.12 | JefferyM | when I'm done it'll all be wraped up in a class and I won't have to deal with it much in the main product |
| 21:14.27 | JefferyM | it just sucks that I have to figure out 25 years of code to do it |
| 21:14.43 | JefferyM | some of it done in pascal and converted to C with automated tools |
| 21:16.04 | Will07c5|laptop | ouch |
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| 21:51.12 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20279 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/RecordReplay.cxx: * removed an unused static variable |
| 21:53.09 | jcp | Now I'm getting a problem where bzfs responds to /listplugins with unknown command listplugins. What does this mean? |
| 21:53.20 | jcp | I built bzflag with --enable-shared |
| 21:53.40 | JefferyM | it means it dosn't know what that command is |
| 21:54.05 | blast007 | jcp: that means it didn't build with plugin support |
| 21:54.08 | jcp | Right. Why is it saying that? http://my.bzflag.org/w/Slash_commands reports that it's a valid command |
| 21:54.19 | jcp | wait, do I have to do somethin besides just ./configure --enable-shared to add plugin support? |
| 21:54.23 | jcp | *something |
| 21:54.29 | blast007 | you have to have libtool |
| 21:54.44 | jcp | I have that |
| 21:54.56 | jcp | apt-get install libtool: libtool is already the newest version. |
| 21:55.18 | blast007 | and if you do a 'head config.log' in the source directory you see the --enable-shared? |
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| 21:58.48 | jcp | nope |
| 21:58.53 | jcp | So somehow I ran it without that flag. |
| 21:59.05 | jcp | I'll try re-downloading and re-building it, and see if that works |
| 21:59.17 | blast007 | just configure again with the correct options |
| 21:59.28 | blast007 | ex: ./configure --disable-client --enable-shared |
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| 22:03.09 | matelich | does bzflag have a Junior Jobs list or similar? for aspiring contributors |
| 22:03.21 | cygal | no |
| 22:03.45 | cygal | there are features requests, bugs reports and a todolist |
| 22:04.24 | cygal | matelich: you're looking for something to do ? |
| 22:04.49 | matelich | yeah, recently upgraded my server from 2 to trunk |
| 22:05.08 | matelich | wouldn't mind a few things to hack on while I wait for my real job to compile |
| 22:07.07 | cygal | it depends on what kind of things you'd like to work on |
| 22:07.28 | cygal | the priority right now is bug fixing, but it's not really glamourous |
| 22:07.58 | matelich | btw, trepan, the recent timing changes seem to have made some great improvements for my friend being able to play reasonably from his laggy dsl line. he's stopped suggesting we fire bz2 back up :) |
| 22:08.12 | matelich | perfect for someone who doesn't know the codebase, cygal |
| 22:08.18 | matelich | I'll troll the bug list |
| 22:09.09 | JefferyM | there are 2 bug lists |
| 22:09.09 | cygal | try the crash when clearing a favorite tab |
| 22:09.17 | cygal | it's in BUGS |
| 22:10.04 | matelich | excellent. |
| 22:10.39 | trepan | matelich: i don't know which timing changes you mean :) |
| 22:12.12 | trepan | matelich: and thanks again the iterator fix in WorldEventManager |
| 22:12.14 | matelich | maybe they were just a no-op refactoring, TimeKeeper |
| 22:12.16 | matelich | np |
| 22:12.52 | matelich | the improvement in performance may have just been perception |
| 22:13.09 | trepan | ya, don't think any recent changes in TimeKeeper would have done anything |
| 22:13.24 | blast007 | matelich: also note that you'd still want to run a 2.0.x server since there really isn't anyone playing the trunk code that much ;) |
| 22:14.07 | matelich | its just me and two co-workers, so I get to make the rules. but I do have 2.0 still going for times when 3 seems problematic |
| 22:14.11 | blast007 | ah |
| 22:15.12 | matelich | my friend does have one box that blue-screens playing bzflag. which is nice |
| 22:15.23 | matelich | he stopped using that one :) |
| 22:15.32 | JefferyM | what video card? |
| 22:15.46 | matelich | not sure, he's not around |
| 22:15.57 | JefferyM | usualy a bluescreen is a driver related issue |
| 22:16.27 | matelich | k. bz3 adds a bit too much cool-ness I guess. |
| 22:16.38 | JefferyM | not really |
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| 22:57.28 | jcp | well, that was weird. I fixed the "undefined reference: dlopen" problem by "export LIBS=-ldl" |
| 22:57.33 | jcp | and everything appears to work now |
| 22:58.07 | jcp | (ran that command just before ./configure) |
| 23:01.06 | matelich | can I get the 1 line bz philosophy on exceptions. Seems like there is no catching (understandable given the range of platforms), but there is calling of functions designed to throw them (std container ::at(), for example) |
| 23:01.35 | jcp | Eclipse FTW!!! |
| 23:06.20 | Erroneous | matelich: typically we prefer to crash ;) |
| 23:06.57 | Erroneous | handle errors cleanly and you usually don't need exceptions |
| 23:07.28 | matelich | okey doke. |
| 23:11.52 | Erroneous | and fwiw, if cygal is recommended the bug I understood him to, it's relatively advanced. a clean fix will be pretty intrusive because that code currently abuses navqueues in ways that they were not intended to work ;) |
| 23:12.42 | matelich | well, should give me a good tour then |
| 23:12.47 | Erroneous | is actually surprised it works at all |
| 23:13.04 | matelich | didn't repro that exactly I don't think, but I ran into somethings related to the navigation queue |
| 23:13.07 | matelich | I'll poke around |
| 23:13.47 | matelich | lack of commit privileges and svn revert will be my friends :) |
| 23:13.50 | Erroneous | ok. I'll be happy to review whatever you come up with or answer questions |
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| 23:14.39 | matelich | great. for now, I am off. thanks for the answers all |
| 23:14.50 | Erroneous | sure thing |
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