| 00:00.24 | delusional | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:01.45 | CIA-77 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20257 10/trunk/bzflag/ (4 files in 4 dirs): * add the /owner command to the word completion list |
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| 00:03.06 | Bambino | "I press I alot" |
| 00:03.16 | Winny | the whole floss weekly thing is my fault, I suggested BZFlag to him last November or so |
| 00:03.29 | Bambino | bravo! |
| 00:03.40 | Winny | nah someone would've suggested it eventually |
| 00:03.51 | Winny | I was actually surprised when it wasn't in the queue already |
| 00:03.52 | Bambino | "I want GM to work only on the ground!" |
| 00:07.51 | spldart | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m4df5f549 Yay to no errors and keeping the warning count low 8~) |
| 00:10.15 | Bambino | haha |
| 00:10.31 | Bambino | spldart: you're talked about, did your wife make tank cake? |
| 00:10.42 | Bambino | make a tank cake* |
| 00:11.59 | spldart | Yes.. she made the infamous tank cake |
| 00:12.23 | spldart | And it's kinda ex wife now. |
| 00:12.42 | Winny | spldart: no way :/ |
| 00:13.07 | spldart | Yes way. Were seperated for good.. divorce later. |
| 00:13.28 | Winny | fun |
| 00:13.41 | spldart | Had to be done.. Not fun. |
| 00:14.11 | spldart | meh... to OT for this channel... subject closed :) |
| 00:14.20 | Winny | true |
| 00:27.39 | Bambino | "release 3.0 coming soon" |
| 00:27.43 | Bambino | Like when? |
| 00:27.53 | JefferyM | when it's done |
| 00:27.55 | spldart | The infamous query |
| 00:28.14 | JefferyM | I think we'll have an RC in the first part of august |
| 00:28.20 | Winny | cant use when dukem nukem is a released as an excuse either |
| 00:28.23 | JefferyM | we are fixing up the showstoper bugs now |
| 00:28.40 | JefferyM | dr, bots, various crashes, etc.. |
| 00:28.43 | JefferyM | that's the goal at least |
| 00:28.50 | Bambino | massive lag? |
| 00:29.00 | JefferyM | that may be part of the DR issue |
| 00:29.21 | JefferyM | we are not sure yet |
| 00:29.21 | Bambino | ok |
| 00:29.21 | JefferyM | there may be a problem with some of the clocks |
| 00:29.22 | JefferyM | we need to get down to a single one and see that it's all good |
| 00:29.47 | JefferyM | lagstats reports lots of lag, but the actual packets don't seem to be lagging any more the normal |
| 00:41.15 | spldart | Yay.. long interview but I heard the part about the bztank cake :) |
| 00:43.41 | Think_Differentl | spldart, did the cake at least taste good? |
| 00:44.02 | spldart | It was yummy... especially the wheels |
| 00:44.08 | spldart | err uh.. bogeys |
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| 01:06.36 | brlcad | trepan: thanks |
| 01:07.06 | brlcad | wish it'd gone better, alas can't refactor an interview |
| 01:07.41 | brlcad | few things I didn't get to talk about (was looking for him to lead into them, but didn't happen), but happy with the result |
| 01:13.29 | spldart | the interview went well... kudos |
| 01:14.29 | spldart | imho |
| 01:23.59 | spldart | Ah.. mispell.. Bogie. |
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| 02:12.50 | temp_dist | why does 'autoteam' allow players to join the stronger team? |
| 02:14.02 | Bambino | it keeps the numbers balanced |
| 02:14.08 | Bambino | not the skill |
| 02:14.47 | Bambino | say the stronger team has 9 players and the weaker team has 11 |
| 02:15.06 | Bambino | I would automatically be assigned to the stronger team, due to numbers |
| 02:15.22 | temp_dist | time and again when playing 3 vs 3, the other team will have much higher scores, then get a 4th player... - seems not right |
| 02:15.57 | me1 | pretty sure it only forces players if the teams are uneven |
| 02:15.59 | Bambino | then it would be 50/50 IIRC |
| 02:16.11 | me1 | so either it's random, or the player chose to go on that team |
| 02:17.39 | temp_dist | the game has a 'strength index' formula (on the stats pages) - why not use it for this? |
| 02:18.05 | Bambino | I could join unregistered |
| 02:20.03 | temp_dist | I think registration doesn't matter, use the same formula to determine which team is weaker NOW and give the next player to that team |
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| 02:22.01 | Lora | hello |
| 02:22.43 | brlcad | hello |
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| 02:26.12 | CIA-77 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20258 10/trunk/web/listkeymgr/css.css: css for less fugly |
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| 02:27.46 | nastyturdman | whats up |
| 02:28.13 | JefferyM | seriously? |
| 02:28.25 | nastyturdman | yes |
| 02:28.47 | JefferyM | well it was going to be a nice night, but then you are here with that name |
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| 02:29.05 | nastyturdman | yeah |
| 02:29.10 | nastyturdman | I'm just that cool |
| 02:29.19 | JefferyM | I'm sure you are, bye |
| 02:29.28 | *** kick/#bzflag [nastyturdman!n=JeffM@bzflag/projectadmin/JeffM] by JefferyM (JefferyM) |
| 02:31.16 | spldart | Welll.. Pooo. :( |
| 02:31.31 | JefferyM | oh I'm sure that won't be the last of it |
| 02:31.36 | JefferyM | he's got 2 more waiting |
| 02:31.46 | spldart | That's exactly what I was thinking |
| 02:32.24 | Lora | Why did you kick me |
| 02:32.34 | JefferyM | that was you? |
| 02:32.40 | Sk3letr0n | no |
| 02:32.45 | JefferyM | buy bye |
| 02:32.53 | spldart | :) |
| 02:33.00 | *** kick/#bzflag [Sk3letr0n!n=JeffM@bzflag/projectadmin/JeffM] by JefferyM (JefferyM) |
| 02:33.05 | *** kick/#bzflag [Lora!n=JeffM@bzflag/projectadmin/JeffM] by JefferyM (JefferyM) |
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| 02:33.16 | JefferyM | how long are we going to have to play this game? |
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| 02:33.21 | spldart | Whi... ugh |
| 02:34.21 | delusional | plays bzflag FOREVER! |
| 02:34.28 | anonymouse | yes |
| 02:34.32 | JefferyM | have fun with that then skip :) |
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| 02:34.46 | delusional | TD-Linux I got that ten bux! |
| 02:34.59 | spldart | ... |
| 02:35.28 | Lora | cheaters are bad |
| 02:36.52 | Lora | why do people cheat? Do ou know |
| 02:37.03 | Bambino | because they suck |
| 02:37.09 | JefferyM | we don't really discuss that here |
| 02:37.17 | JefferyM | perhaps you should get a blog |
| 02:37.30 | spldart | Yeah... Oh wait. |
| 02:37.31 | Lora | We can |
| 02:40.09 | CIA-77 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20259 10/trunk/web/listkeymgr/ (css.css index.php): |
| 02:40.09 | CIA-77 | BZFlag: use a table for the key list |
| 02:40.09 | CIA-77 | BZFlag: modify CSS to use said tables |
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| 02:41.01 | Lora | what do you mean? |
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| 02:42.33 | CIA-77 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20260 10/trunk/web/listkeymgr/css.css: padding. |
| 02:43.19 | JefferyM | should be a little better |
| 02:46.22 | Lora | hi |
| 02:48.43 | Lora | hi |
| 02:49.13 | anonymouse | and how could i get you bot |
| 02:56.32 | Lora | jeffm are you friends with that cheater sk3leton? |
| 02:56.47 | JefferyM | ok, it's time to go, all of you |
| 02:56.49 | JefferyM | bye |
| 02:56.53 | Sk3letr0n | why? |
| 02:56.54 | MindstormsKid | o_O |
| 02:56.57 | *** mode/#bzflag [+b *!*@*.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] by JefferyM |
| 02:56.57 | *** kick/#bzflag [Lora!n=JeffM@bzflag/projectadmin/JeffM] by JefferyM (JefferyM) |
| 02:57.03 | *** kick/#bzflag [Sk3letr0n!n=JeffM@bzflag/projectadmin/JeffM] by JefferyM (JefferyM) |
| 02:57.08 | *** mode/#bzflag [+b *!*@*.179.207.74.srtnet.com] by JefferyM |
| 02:57.08 | *** kick/#bzflag [anonymouse!n=JeffM@bzflag/projectadmin/JeffM] by JefferyM (JefferyM) |
| 02:57.23 | spldart | Shush MK |
| 02:57.56 | spldart | :) |
| 03:01.01 | JefferyM | I tried to see if they had changed.... they hadn't |
| 03:02.07 | temp_dist | one of them joined a game I was on yesterday - said "I don't cheat anymore - and F5 is not cheating!!" |
| 03:02.15 | JefferyM | hah |
| 03:03.20 | Bambino | if you delete the tele link texture does it delete the tele fog? |
| 03:03.35 | JefferyM | try it and see |
| 03:04.05 | trepan | it's not fog, it's glow :) |
| 03:04.38 | Bambino | dang it! |
| 03:04.53 | trepan | crack open the man page, i just gave you a hint |
| 03:05.10 | trepan | (for 2.99.x) |
| 03:05.12 | Bambino | but deleting the tele link texture makes the tele flash different colors |
| 03:05.28 | Bambino | so I am happy with that now |
| 03:05.29 | JefferyM | and that has anything to do with the glow effect how? |
| 03:05.31 | spldart | What really scares me... Someone who caries a long memory of some vendetta... whateva this sk3/bzflag thing could be summed up as. .. Often tends to have a greater age... Or so I've generally observed. |
| 03:06.06 | JefferyM | at least none of them have threatend to 'murder me with thier bow' yet |
| 03:06.14 | spldart | heh |
| 03:06.19 | Bambino | JefferyM: I just deleted tele link texture and now it pulses different colors with looks soooo cool |
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| 03:54.58 | drake_ | hi I cannot access my server list |
| 03:55.39 | blast007 | drake_: can you ping my.bzflag.org ? |
| 04:03.38 | drake_ | i cant ping bzflag.org |
| 04:08.50 | blast007 | k, let me check something quick then |
| 04:15.34 | drake_ | ok |
| 04:19.47 | blast007 | yeah, seems like you are banned |
| 04:20.31 | drake_ | yep and idk why |
| 04:20.46 | drake_ | just says 0000_______00000_______-000 silenced or sumthing liek that |
| 04:21.03 | blast007 | that would be your client doing that part |
| 04:21.09 | blast007 | unrelated to the ban |
| 04:22.22 | blast007 | unfortunately I don't have to time to look into it tonight |
| 04:23.26 | drake_ | ok well thanx anyways |
| 04:23.45 | JeffM | what's your hostmask? |
| 04:26.02 | drake_ | nat2.srtnet.com |
| 04:26.24 | JeffM | that's probalby why then |
| 04:26.32 | drake_ | why |
| 04:26.47 | JeffM | same reason you had to use the freenode IRC |
| 04:27.20 | drake_ | What? |
| 04:28.03 | JeffM | why didn't you just log in with your regular IRC client? |
| 04:31.48 | drake_ | oh because i deleated my irc i didnt use it |
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| 04:40.01 | JefferyM | looks like a machine ban, automated due to your IP |
| 04:40.13 | JefferyM | net serach dosn't show many nice things about your IP ether |
| 04:40.42 | drake_ | really |
| 04:41.09 | JefferyM | what it looks like |
| 04:41.22 | JefferyM | we've had to ban an IP from that ISP tonight on IRC |
| 04:41.38 | drake_ | really but how i cant evan get on |
| 04:41.48 | drake_ | do other people have my ip or sumthing? |
| 04:41.55 | JefferyM | probably not |
| 04:42.14 | JefferyM | you can get "on" just type in the address of the server |
| 04:43.02 | drake_ | ok |
| 04:46.46 | drake_ | but i dont knwo sever addresses |
| 04:47.07 | JefferyM | can't help you then |
| 04:47.55 | Bambino | drake_: http://bzstats.strayer.de/servers/?lang=en&fsize=l |
| 04:48.02 | Bambino | learn to love it |
| 04:50.06 | drake_ | ok thanx |
| 04:52.03 | JefferyM | yep that's what all the people that get banned use |
| 04:52.15 | JefferyM | yours was due to a name coice you made |
| 04:52.43 | blast007 | or at least someone at that ISP. might be a shared IP. |
| 04:52.53 | JefferyM | if you belive in coincidence |
| 04:53.01 | JefferyM | tongiht I don't |
| 04:53.13 | blast007 | true ;) |
| 04:57.17 | drake_ | ahah ya |
| 05:00.35 | temp_dist | maybe you could be whitelisted by the server owner - send them a PM on the BZBB |
| 05:00.52 | JefferyM | he isn't banned on a server |
| 05:00.56 | JefferyM | he's banned from the list server |
| 05:01.02 | temp_dist | alrighty |
| 05:02.10 | blast007 | yeah, whitelist won't do much good considering they can't auth...ever ;) |
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| 05:02.31 | JefferyM | not that he's the member of any groups |
| 05:10.05 | JefferyM | aww he left :( |
| 05:39.32 | Bambino | ~bzflist |
| 05:39.49 | Bambino | ~lart global auth |
| 05:39.49 | ibot | declares global auth a moron |
| 05:39.54 | Bambino | Indeed |
| 05:42.49 | CIA-77 | BZFlag: 0398.66.227.247 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6561 10/w/Hix: /* Glitches */ |
| 05:54.02 | JefferyM | sure cus that helps |
| 05:54.17 | CIA-77 | BZFlag: 0398.66.227.247 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6562 10/w/Hix: /* Teleporter Passes */ |
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| 06:47.18 | Janis | bambino you there? |
| 06:49.24 | Bambino | Janis: ya |
| 06:49.43 | Bambino | well, temporarily |
| 06:57.51 | Janis | you sayd that the bz3.0 won't allow modified clients right? |
| 06:58.20 | Janis | interesting, how it will recognise if the client is modified or not?! |
| 06:58.20 | Janis | just by /clientquery?! - it can be easily avoided (you know it, right?) |
| 06:58.50 | Janis | 2nd way is that.. the server will be matching every code to the original one (which is impossible i think) even if it is possible |
| 06:59.04 | Janis | it will take alot of time before the server recognises that the client is modified... |
| 06:59.08 | Janis | just interesting how it will work |
| 06:59.55 | Janis | bz 3.0 servers* |
| 06:59.58 | Bambino | what are you talking about? |
| 07:00.16 | Janis | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13899&start=25 |
| 07:00.18 | Bambino | it will still be open source, so anyone can mod clients |
| 07:00.35 | Janis | bambino: You would probably want to add it into 2.99.X/ 3.0.0, as most servers don't allow modified clients. |
| 07:00.39 | Bambino | ah |
| 07:00.45 | Bambino | I ment that as |
| 07:00.52 | Bambino | they don't allow it as a rule |
| 07:01.27 | Janis | ah. |
| 07:01.29 | Bambino | At least, my server don't allow any client mods |
| 07:01.53 | Bambino | unless expicity allowed by myself or javawizard2539 |
| 07:02.26 | Bambino | http://bztraining.org/?page_id=28 |
| 07:02.34 | Bambino | read rule 1, just below |
| 07:02.43 | Janis | when i saw this what you wrote, i though that bz3.0 servers will be somehow checking that |
| 07:02.57 | Janis | was interesting how will it work:P |
| 07:03.05 | Bambino | aha |
| 07:03.09 | Janis | you should mention next time:P |
| 07:03.12 | Bambino | yeah |
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| 17:26.02 | Constitution | grumbles deeply about California's highways constructed out of cement and painted with white lane lines that you can hardly see in broad daylight |
| 17:28.41 | JefferyM | it's how we weed out you tourists |
| 17:29.31 | brlcad | or send them into the weeds ;) |
| 17:29.59 | brlcad | Constitution: you just have to drive like a californian.. you're supposed to just completely ignore them |
| 17:30.45 | Constitution | I almost might as well... there are old lane lines, and older lane lines, and a set of embedded reflectors, and an older set of reflectors... all in different places |
| 17:31.27 | JefferyM | trepan, I replaced games: simulation with games: multiplayer |
| 17:32.10 | JefferyM | you are suposed to be using your GPS anyway Constitution |
| 17:32.24 | Constitution | iPhone ftw :) |
| 17:32.47 | JefferyM | indeed |
| 17:32.59 | Constitution | although that doesn't really help me see lanes |
| 17:33.06 | JefferyM | had to lock the bzflag iphone thread today :/ |
| 17:52.06 | joevano | was pondering doing that |
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| 18:00.46 | trepan | JefferyM: good choice, "simulation" didn't work for either |
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| 18:03.49 | JefferyM | yeah I didn't know what we would be simulating :) |
| 18:04.11 | JefferyM | joevano, it's gone on way too long, and it is not a place for kids to lie about what they have done |
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| 19:58.33 | JefferyM | cygal, I looked at all the calls to SetDeadReconing in the client and it seems to be using the correct time |
| 20:01.20 | cygal | maybe this is a replay only bug then, but time in unpack was different |
| 20:01.45 | cygal | (trepan changed things about time too, I don't really know what) |
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| 20:11.04 | JefferyM | ok, well on replay you don't want to use the packed time |
| 20:11.06 | JefferyM | that is for sure |
| 20:11.13 | JefferyM | you want to repalce it with the current time |
| 20:13.14 | JefferyM | actualy no you don't |
| 20:13.15 | JefferyM | hmm |
| 20:13.33 | JefferyM | you want to use the diff |
| 20:13.42 | JefferyM | we may need to store the server clock at the start of each replay |
| 20:13.49 | JefferyM | then do delta states for all timestamps |
| 20:14.38 | JefferyM | I'd get rid of the msgWhatTime is it and synced server clock first |
| 20:14.50 | JefferyM | and use the same clock the map uses |
| 20:14.59 | trepan | GameTime ? |
| 20:15.17 | JefferyM | is that what it's called |
| 20:15.21 | trepan | (which now uses the server's TimeKeeper::getCurrent()) |
| 20:15.25 | JefferyM | the one I should have used first |
| 20:15.28 | JefferyM | sure |
| 20:15.43 | trepan | it's also already stored into replays |
| 20:16.05 | JefferyM | then that would help I would think |
| 20:16.36 | trepan | for 3.0, i'd suggest reverting to the old DR mechanism (at least optionally) |
| 20:16.51 | JefferyM | the only diff is what time is used for the start of the calc |
| 20:17.33 | JefferyM | just change it to the local time and it's back to what it did before |
| 20:17.47 | trepan | cygal: there ya go, easy option ;) |
| 20:17.48 | JefferyM | I think it'll still have problems |
| 20:18.10 | JefferyM | I don't think the current DR bugs are related entirely to the time issue |
| 20:18.17 | trepan | compared with 2.0 ? |
| 20:18.30 | JefferyM | I think some things got broken in 3 |
| 20:19.48 | JefferyM | but we can try and see |
| 20:20.05 | JefferyM | to make it option you think tie it to a game option or a bzdb var? |
| 20:20.18 | trepan | bzdb var |
| 20:20.44 | JefferyM | dr may get wacky for the packets that have a stamp in one clock, and are evaling using another |
| 20:20.50 | JefferyM | I'll hook it up |
| 20:20.54 | JefferyM | and make it use tametime |
| 20:20.56 | JefferyM | gametime |
| 20:21.43 | trepan | which GameTime? the local version, or one stuffed into a packet from the source client (or server)? |
| 20:21.49 | blast | speaking of BZDB, when you use /set to change a variable, are another other variables that make use of that supposed to update as well? |
| 20:21.58 | blast | any other* |
| 20:22.14 | JefferyM | trepan, depending on the var I think we'd change what one we use |
| 20:22.27 | blast | (currently you only get the proper values after a rejoin) |
| 20:22.48 | trepan | blast: that's mentionned in the TODO: "rework the BZDB->eval() caching to support ..." |
| 20:23.02 | blast | ah, ok |
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| 20:34.04 | mrapplecomputer1 | jefenry was just telling me that there was an official list of servers currently up. i pointed out: http://my.bzflag.org/serverlist.php but he said there was another site. any ideas? |
| 20:36.40 | Bambino | strayer, not sure it's official |
| 20:36.55 | me1 | I don't think there is an "unofficial" server list |
| 20:37.14 | Bambino | http://bzstats.strayer.de/servers/?lang=en&fsize=l |
| 20:37.40 | Bambino | Also, try the _list server_ |
| 20:38.37 | JefferyM | mrapplecomputer1, what are you looking for? |
| 20:39.22 | mrapplecomputer1 | JefferyM: basically a text list (sort of) just listing the currently available servers |
| 20:39.45 | catay | http://stats.bzflag.org/ ? |
| 20:40.13 | JefferyM | http://my.bzflag.org/db/?action=LIST |
| 20:40.17 | JefferyM | like that? |
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| 20:40.37 | Bambino | still prefer strayer's |
| 20:40.38 | mrapplecomputer1 | JefferyM: edzactly! thank you so much! appreciate it ;) |
| 20:40.49 | JefferyM | that's just the list server |
| 20:40.55 | JefferyM | what are you going to do with that list? |
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| 20:42.28 | mrapplecomputer1 | JefferyM: im not sure yet ;) |
| 20:42.55 | mrapplecomputer1 | JefferyM: is there that same thing, sorted by the nhumber of players? :) |
| 20:43.36 | Bambino | why not use strayer's... |
| 20:43.47 | Bambino | it sorts by player number |
| 20:44.05 | blast | mrapplecomputer1: no, it's not sorted by the number of players |
| 20:44.09 | mrapplecomputer1 | Bambino: i just want a nice text list ;) |
| 20:44.18 | Bambino | mrapplecomputer1: why |
| 20:44.22 | blast | all of the game data is encoded into a hex string, so you'll have to decode that hex to figure out how many players are on a server |
| 20:44.27 | mrapplecomputer1 | blast: i see that.... but is there a similar thing sorted by players |
| 20:44.33 | Bambino | ^ |
| 20:44.36 | mrapplecomputer1 | Bambino: some crazy idea me and crallion have ;) |
| 20:44.38 | blast | no |
| 20:44.51 | blast | crazy idea being what? |
| 20:45.20 | mrapplecomputer1 | blast: bzadmin for iphone ;) |
| 20:45.27 | Bambino | oh god |
| 20:45.27 | Crallion | What are you talking about??? |
| 20:45.38 | catay | a script that pulls that info every second from bzflag.org ;) |
| 20:45.46 | mrapplecomputer1 | catay: exactly :D |
| 20:45.56 | catay | heh.. |
| 20:46.18 | mrapplecomputer1 | so ya |
| 20:46.18 | Crallion | I am supposed to be a part of this and I have no idea what is going on... |
| 20:46.28 | mrapplecomputer1 | lol we were just talking about it? |
| 20:46.31 | mrapplecomputer1 | in bzflag? |
| 20:46.54 | Crallion | Sorta, you didn't really use complete sentences... It was like |
| 20:46.57 | Crallion | "Awesome" |
| 20:47.00 | JefferyM | mrapplecomputer1, no, that's all we have |
| 20:47.07 | mrapplecomputer1 | JefferyM: ok thanks! |
| 20:47.12 | Crallion | "check did out 'URL'" |
| 20:47.20 | mrapplecomputer1 | lol |
| 20:47.26 | mrapplecomputer1 | tinyurl.com/URLLoading |
| 20:47.28 | blast | mrapplecomputer1: you're not really going to pull that data every second, are you? :P |
| 20:47.36 | JefferyM | catay, whoever writes that script will be banned |
| 20:47.42 | Crallion | every min would be better |
| 20:47.42 | JefferyM | we are working on a stats API |
| 20:47.43 | mrapplecomputer1 | blast: no of course not. only when a user requests it |
| 20:47.52 | mrapplecomputer1 | JefferyM: yay! |
| 20:47.54 | JefferyM | please do not use the list server for stats |
| 20:48.00 | JefferyM | it only makes it go slower |
| 20:48.01 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok |
| 20:48.08 | JefferyM | poll stats suck, don't do them |
| 20:48.10 | mrapplecomputer1 | i have to go |
| 20:48.16 | mrapplecomputer1 | lunch! lol at 4 oclock |
| 20:48.19 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok bye :D |
| 20:48.26 | blast | bye, have fun |
| 20:48.30 | blast | don't choke |
| 20:48.30 | mrapplecomputer1 | blast: thanks :D |
| 20:48.33 | mrapplecomputer1 | rofl |
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| 20:48.34 | JefferyM | make sure mom tucks in your bib |
| 20:49.19 | catay | JefferyM: I was just joking, not sure he was tho :) |
| 20:49.27 | JefferyM | he wasn't |
| 20:49.35 | Crallion | no, he wasn't |
| 20:49.39 | catay | hehe |
| 20:49.43 | JefferyM | he's a 13 year old kid that likes to say big things to impress people |
| 20:49.50 | blast | I think it takes longer than a second to load the list anyway :P |
| 20:49.59 | Crallion | Still not really sure what is going on |
| 20:50.04 | JefferyM | Crallion, so? |
| 20:50.16 | JefferyM | why do you have to know what is going on all the time? |
| 20:50.30 | Crallion | He said it was his and MY idea, and I don't know whats going on |
| 20:50.39 | JefferyM | then go ask him |
| 20:50.48 | Crallion | Your insufferable |
| 20:50.51 | JefferyM | if it's about iphone stuff, we don't really care ;) |
| 20:50.56 | Crallion | :) |
| 20:51.01 | Crallion | :D |
| 20:51.09 | JefferyM | that's your project, you should make your own channel and fourms for it |
| 20:51.09 | Crallion | =) |
| 20:51.32 | Crallion | the problem is, its not my project |
| 20:51.46 | Crallion | I still don't know what your talking about |
| 20:51.51 | Bambino | #BZFony |
| 20:52.09 | blast | hah.. |
| 20:52.14 | JefferyM | 3.0 is going to have webadmin, and with a small CSS mod it'd work fine on the phone |
| 20:52.30 | JefferyM | I need to hook up browser checks into the HTTP class tho |
| 20:52.44 | Crallion | I'd do that |
| 20:52.45 | JefferyM | then do a mobile.css |
| 20:52.52 | blast | might even work without changes |
| 20:52.56 | Crallion | But I wasn't really serious about BZPhone |
| 20:53.04 | JefferyM | it does work |
| 20:53.07 | JefferyM | it just dosn't look that good |
| 20:53.10 | JefferyM | I tried it |
| 20:53.14 | blast | heh |
| 20:53.27 | Crallion | I'd rather shoot myself in the foot, to put it another way |
| 20:53.29 | JefferyM | unless you can make the current CSS better |
| 20:53.30 | Crallion | :D |
| 20:53.51 | JefferyM | a mobile webadmin dosn't need the header images and stuff |
| 20:54.13 | Crallion | how did you guess? |
| 20:54.19 | JefferyM | guess? |
| 20:54.46 | Crallion | sarcasm |
| 20:54.59 | Crallion | remember how hard it is? |
| 20:55.00 | Crallion | :) |
| 20:55.04 | JefferyM | are you here for any reason? |
| 20:55.12 | JefferyM | or just to confuse people? |
| 20:55.25 | Crallion | yes, I wanted to know what the heck mrapple was trying to get me into |
| 20:55.43 | JefferyM | and that has to do with the project and this channel.. how? |
| 20:56.06 | Crallion | He was on the channel, and you were talking about it, sorta obvious |
| 20:56.17 | JefferyM | he was just asking about the list server |
| 20:56.18 | JefferyM | that's all |
| 20:56.29 | JefferyM | he was not talking about whatever the hell he wanted to do with it |
| 20:56.42 | Crallion | He told me to go on IRC... |
| 20:56.45 | Crallion | I went |
| 20:56.54 | Crallion | As you can see |
| 20:57.07 | JefferyM | I'd be very leery about listening to him in the future :) |
| 20:57.17 | Crallion | Yes |
| 20:57.27 | JefferyM | he likes to talk things up |
| 20:57.33 | JefferyM | like how he says he's an apple developer |
| 20:57.37 | JefferyM | when legaly he can't be |
| 20:57.48 | Crallion | So what were you talking about before mrapplecomputer1 and I intruded? |
| 20:57.57 | Crallion | Good point about the apple dev thing |
| 20:58.00 | Bambino | IIRC, he's using someone elses account |
| 20:58.05 | JefferyM | pie |
| 20:58.10 | Wr3ckage | lol |
| 20:58.12 | Bambino | apple! |
| 20:58.13 | JefferyM | Bambino, and that makes it even worse |
| 20:58.24 | Bambino | JefferyM: oh yes |
| 20:58.24 | Crallion | Yet I have an account and i'm not quite 18 |
| 20:58.33 | Crallion | So I am not legal |
| 20:58.34 | Bambino | apple doesn't like 13 year old devs |
| 20:58.44 | JefferyM | Crallion, that's between you and apple |
| 20:58.48 | Crallion | But then again, I am not bragging about it |
| 20:59.11 | JefferyM | even more reason to lock that thread |
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| 21:00.22 | Crallion | I am not 13 |
| 21:00.28 | Crallion | So close to 18 |
| 21:00.35 | Bambino | still not 18 |
| 21:00.40 | Crallion | exactly |
| 21:00.47 | Crallion | and you are 16 |
| 21:00.47 | JefferyM | close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, and atomic wars |
| 21:00.51 | Crallion | I believe |
| 21:00.55 | Bambino | heh |
| 21:01.05 | JefferyM | you can't legaly go into a contract with anyone, so it dosn't matter |
| 21:01.14 | Crallion | That was hilarious JeffM |
| 21:01.30 | Crallion | I have an app in the app store :) |
| 21:01.31 | JefferyM | but enough about how you are breaking laws |
| 21:01.44 | JefferyM | cool, tell me what it is and I'll get it removed |
| 21:01.50 | Crallion | Sure |
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| 21:02.07 | Crallion | Hi allejo |
| 21:02.43 | Crallion | Technically, My uncle has an app on the appstore, I simply made it |
| 21:02.51 | JefferyM | there ya go |
| 21:02.53 | JefferyM | but whatever |
| 21:02.58 | JefferyM | this isn't #iphone |
| 21:03.04 | Allejo | hello crallon |
| 21:03.31 | Crallion | hi |
| 21:03.32 | bryjen | ibot |
| 21:03.36 | bryjen | bah |
| 21:03.42 | me1 | ibot, sup? |
| 21:03.42 | ibot | Yo me1, how's it going eh? |
| 21:03.45 | Crallion | So what were you talking about? |
| 21:03.48 | Crallion | PLease go on |
| 21:03.49 | JefferyM | nothing |
| 21:03.52 | Allejo | ibot can talk? |
| 21:03.55 | JefferyM | it was idle |
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| 21:04.24 | Crallion | #visual basic |
| 21:05.29 | Crallion | What is lua? |
| 21:05.36 | trepan | lua.org |
| 21:05.51 | cygal | trepan: do you think it's that easy to provide the 2.0 dr code? |
| 21:05.52 | Crallion | How many times does a train go around the moon |
| 21:06.02 | Bambino | 0 |
| 21:06.14 | JefferyM | cygal, I'll be writing a switch to change between the 2 at runtime |
| 21:06.18 | JefferyM | don't worry about DR |
| 21:06.21 | Crallion | I am trying to get JeffM ticked |
| 21:06.27 | JefferyM | why? |
| 21:06.33 | Crallion | No idea |
| 21:06.41 | *** mode/#bzflag [+b *!*@*.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] by JefferyM |
| 21:06.41 | *** kick/#bzflag [Crallion!n=JefferyM@bzflag/projectadmin/JeffM] by JefferyM (JefferyM) |
| 21:06.44 | JefferyM | retard |
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| 21:06.50 | bryjen | mission accomplished |
| 21:07.00 | kierra | waves at JefferyM |
| 21:07.03 | JefferyM | hello |
| 21:07.04 | cygal | okay |
| 21:07.05 | JefferyM | how are you? |
| 21:07.09 | cygal | I'll continue on replay then |
| 21:07.16 | kierra | i'm good....behaving myself lately |
| 21:07.18 | JefferyM | cygal, the only real diff is what clock time it uses for the start of DR |
| 21:07.28 | JefferyM | kierra, I would hope so, you are a grown woman |
| 21:07.30 | cygal | and ignore the dr poblems I see, just look at the packets |
| 21:07.43 | trepan | cygal: and didn't you add some extra DR stuff for z-clamping, etc... ? |
| 21:07.50 | JefferyM | cygal, at some point we'll have to get something setup with the timestamps |
| 21:07.52 | kierra | sigh, growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional |
| 21:07.59 | JefferyM | trepan, that was someone else |
| 21:08.00 | cygal | trepan: ? I did not touch DR |
| 21:08.07 | JefferyM | before SOC |
| 21:08.12 | cygal | JefferyM: agreed |
| 21:10.42 | trepan | ack, 'svn log Player.cxx' only shows entries since r19776 (moved to clienbase) |
| 21:10.53 | trepan | those files were removed/added instead of moved? |
| 21:11.18 | JefferyM | is your log stoping on move? |
| 21:12.07 | trepan | it doesn't for src/game/global.cxx (which i 'svn mv'ed from src/common) |
| 21:12.23 | cygal | Creation of libclient, to be refactored later |
| 21:12.35 | cygal | this is the first rev I have for Player.cxx |
| 21:13.04 | JefferyM | suck |
| 21:13.10 | JefferyM | who did it? |
| 21:13.14 | trepan | kingrobot |
| 21:13.17 | JefferyM | kill him |
| 21:13.26 | trepan | stabs across the internets |
| 21:13.35 | Allejo | now now dont resort to violence ;) |
| 21:13.38 | JefferyM | ALT + SHIFT + F9 right? |
| 21:13.52 | cygal | http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/Player.cxx?limit_changes=0&view=log&pathrev=19775 |
| 21:14.03 | JefferyM | well nothing we can do expect yell at him |
| 21:14.04 | trepan | JefferyM: i think that moves the current window to a different virtual screen ;) |
| 21:14.10 | JefferyM | how much got changed? |
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| 21:14.59 | JefferyM | is it worth it to revert back past the delete, then move and apply the new changes as a single patch? |
| 21:15.09 | mrapplecomputer1 | im back, and still alive blast (bummer) :P |
| 21:15.34 | JefferyM | when did IRC become twitter? |
| 21:16.42 | Allejo | im i dont think that has happened yet eff |
| 21:16.42 | mrapplecomputer1 | JefferyM: sorry. :) |
| 21:16.44 | Allejo | jeff* |
| 21:27.25 | trepan | JefferyM: http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag?view=rev&revision=19776 |
| 21:27.58 | trepan | note that the RobotPlayer.* files were moved |
| 21:28.28 | *** part/#bzflag kierra (n=jolie@unaffiliated/kierra) |
| 21:28.35 | trepan | (oddly, my local 'svn log' also shows that the Weapon.* files were moved as well, but that link doesn't) |
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| 21:36.43 | JefferyM | hmm |
| 21:40.13 | cygal | there are differences in the gui: it shows the history of deleted files, too |
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| 21:49.28 | CIA-77 | BZFlag: 03will07c5 * r20261 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (10 files in 9 dirs): transforms seem to work now, also fixed a couple parser bugs |
| 21:50.40 | Will07c5 | I still have some testing to do for transforms but thought I should probably do a commit |
| 21:51.21 | Will07c5 | I didn't end up doing anything yesterday since I just got new computer parts so I totally forgot about bzwb for the day ;) |
| 21:51.37 | JefferyM | oooo parts |
| 21:51.40 | JefferyM | what'dya get? |
| 21:52.08 | Will07c5 | I got an i7 920 :D |
| 21:52.19 | cygal | with gsoc cash? |
| 21:52.21 | JefferyM | nice |
| 21:52.30 | Will07c5 | cygal: of course :P |
| 21:52.37 | cygal | :) |
| 21:53.38 | Will07c5 | oh just so you know I'll be on vacation from the 7th through the 14th |
| 21:56.10 | JefferyM | ok, when do you want your pencils down date to be then? |
| 21:56.23 | JefferyM | google sugests the 10th, but it can go as late as the 17th |
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| 21:59.03 | mrapplecomputer1 | welcomes bambino :) |
| 22:05.36 | Bambino_ | hi |
| 22:06.12 | Bambino_ | BTW, my net is slow, and I think someone just spammed the bzbb |
| 22:06.26 | Will07c5 | JefferyM: well I'm going to try to get everything done before the 7th ideally |
| 22:06.46 | Allejo | bzbb seemes fine bambi |
| 22:06.51 | Will07c5 | although I might do some final testing after I get back |
| 22:10.42 | JefferyM | Will07c5, ok sounds good |
| 22:10.45 | JefferyM | where ya goin to? |
| 22:11.34 | Will07c5 | colerado, to visit family |
| 22:11.38 | JefferyM | cool |
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| 22:12.11 | Winny | spam - http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=12885#p140516 |
| 22:12.30 | JefferyM | liar! |
| 22:13.49 | Bambino | delicious spam |
| 22:20.55 | Bambino | LOL |
| 22:21.03 | Bambino | whoops :| |
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| 23:23.46 | mrapplecomputer1 | hey all |
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