| 00:02.08 | JefferyM | must ponder how to handle players |
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| 00:05.06 | JefferyM | is it faster to just delete the records for all the players on the server and just readd them from the new list? or to walk the list from the update, update players that are still there, remove ones that have left, and add new ones? |
| 00:11.15 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20183 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (CmdLineOptions.cxx CmdLineOptions.h ListServerConnection.cxx): |
| 00:11.15 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: * added the bzfs "-publicauth <username> <password>" switch |
| 00:11.15 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: (should probably update the man page once it's actually useful ;-) |
| 00:11.23 | trepan | test server still shows up, so it looks like it's ok |
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| 00:17.14 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20184 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ListServerConnection.cxx: * simplify, and allow empty passwords |
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| 00:49.42 | blast007 | JefferyM: I went back to revision 20000, and it's working with two clients and a server on the same computer. so I wonder if more latency is needed for the bug to occur. |
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| 01:09.49 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20185 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/CmdLineOptions.cxx: * s/-publicauth/-publicuser/ |
| 01:11.05 | trepan | JefferyM: might be worth requiring -publicuser before 3.0 is out |
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| 03:03.47 | delusional_ | so this.. bzdb.SendPlayerVariables() could be used to send new speed variables to a rabbit? |
| 03:28.58 | JeffM | delusional_, speed is not per tank |
| 03:29.18 | JeffM | are you asking if you can fake it out and just send a different speed to one player? |
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| 03:29.26 | delusional_ | yes |
| 03:29.50 | JeffM | you'd have to do a lot of datamanagement to prevent the real calls to that from wiping out your specific one |
| 03:30.17 | JeffM | it may also make all the OTHER tanks seem that fast on the rabbits machine |
| 03:30.23 | delusional_ | oh well. thanks for the answer |
| 03:42.49 | *** part/#bzflag bryjen (n=bryjen@75.81.208.170) |
| 03:50.46 | *** part/#bzflag kierra (n=jolie@unaffiliated/kierra) |
| 03:57.43 | TD-Linux | new variable? |
| 04:13.13 | delusional_ | i wish |
| 04:13.39 | trepan | when you wish upon a star ... not a damned thing happens |
| 04:13.42 | trepan | write a patch ;-) |
| 04:19.01 | a_meteorite | I wish upon a meteorite |
| 04:19.18 | a_meteorite | and other heavenly bodies |
| 04:19.22 | delusional_ | so tangibility is gone too? there's no replacement for it? |
| 04:20.46 | TD-Linux | a patch would be easy |
| 04:20.48 | TD-Linux | I'll do it for $10 |
| 04:21.02 | delusional_ | i got 10 bux |
| 04:21.19 | delusional_ | its a deal |
| 04:21.27 | TD-Linux | OK |
| 04:21.37 | TD-Linux | I'll get started tomorrow |
| 04:21.51 | TD-Linux | _rabbitTankSpeedMultiplier ? |
| 04:22.12 | delusional_ | that would be awesome |
| 04:22.32 | delusional_ | if its possible |
| 04:24.43 | TD-Linux | it's easy to implement |
| 04:24.57 | TD-Linux | getting it accepted might be a larger challenge :P |
| 04:25.08 | delusional_ | JM didnt think so |
| 04:25.56 | trepan | hm, it probably worth re-enabling tangibility (as long as it doesn't break anything anymore) |
| 04:26.25 | delusional_ | did it ever work? |
| 04:26.36 | trepan | has never tested it |
| 04:26.43 | delusional_ | i never heard of a successful arrempt |
| 04:26.51 | delusional_ | sp/ attempt |
| 04:27.32 | trepan | (beyond recognizing the flaw, and then disabling it) |
| 04:28.47 | trepan | looks like it hasn't been tied into RecordReplay either |
| 04:31.13 | trepan | might be best to let JeffM decide if he wants to test and re-enable it |
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| 07:33.37 | cygal | hi :) |
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| 08:18.26 | trepan | brlcad: someone has a spinning 'pine' session on bzflag.bz? |
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| 12:35.49 | dexter- | while trying to compile 2.99: error: The file âBZFlag-Info.plistâ does not exist. |
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| 12:47.47 | blast007 | dexter-: isn't OSX fun? |
| 12:47.47 | blast007 | think you can find that file from a binary package of bzflag and just copy it over |
| 12:47.48 | dexter- | well, i don't have to use XCode |
| 12:47.48 | blast007 | cygal: regarding the "network order bug" and the motto not working. Seems like you properly receive or process the motto of joining players only when the server isn't public. So I imagine the delay caused by global auth is doing something. |
| 12:47.48 | dexter- | but i'll try |
| 12:47.48 | dexter- | where does that file belong? |
| 12:47.48 | blast007 | no idea |
| 12:47.49 | blast007 | I haven't built on OSX in a long while |
| 12:47.49 | *** join/#bzflag Nitroxis (n=Nitroxis@84.131.208.127) |
| 12:47.49 | Nitroxis | hello! |
| 12:47.49 | blast007 | hi |
| 12:47.49 | Nitroxis | i want to write a AI for bzflag but i dont know how the server (bzfs) and the client are communicating... |
| 12:48.05 | Nitroxis | is there a discription for the bzfs protocol? |
| 12:48.54 | brlcad | trepan: hrm, thanks! |
| 12:49.12 | Nitroxis | when i connect to a bzfs server it sends me "BZFS0026" |
| 12:50.31 | *** join/#bzflag _anomaly_ (n=mike@h204.120.88.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) |
| 12:50.36 | Nitroxis | and then gt --hd®ÅJ |
| 12:50.36 | Nitroxis | gt --hd+ó? |
| 12:50.36 | Nitroxis | gt --hdÈy× |
| 12:50.36 | Nitroxis | gt --hd=G? |
| 12:50.36 | Nitroxis | gt --heE?? |
| 12:50.43 | Nitroxis | and so on... |
| 12:52.26 | brlcad | Nitroxis: are you the one that posted to the tracker a week or so ago? |
| 12:52.42 | Nitroxis | ??? |
| 12:53.20 | ruskie | wasn't the protocol documented someplace? or some bots even written for it? |
| 12:53.28 | brlcad | https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=203248&aid=2819801&group_id=3248 |
| 12:53.42 | Janis | dexter? |
| 12:53.58 | Janis | ah he left |
| 12:54.06 | Janis | what was he having problem with? |
| 12:54.25 | Nitroxis | yes but i want to write my own experiment |
| 12:54.29 | brlcad | Nitroxis: there's a binary in our source called "bzrobots" that is a client interface for creating AI-programmable robots |
| 12:54.48 | Nitroxis | a bin? |
| 12:54.50 | brlcad | that's still a good starting point for initializing communication |
| 12:55.38 | Nitroxis | i tried to compile bzrobots (vc2008) but i get errors |
| 12:55.48 | brlcad | it's a binary that only performs the logic you tell it, taking care of things like communication and initialization and being a good "client citizen" off your hands |
| 12:56.12 | brlcad | that should have been recently fixed if you're using the latest svn sources (not a 2.0 release) |
| 12:56.27 | brlcad | cygal has been working with bots quite a bit lately too |
| 12:56.51 | Nitroxis | i checked out the svn yesterday evening |
| 12:57.08 | Nitroxis | https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag/ |
| 12:57.24 | brlcad | assuming you wrote that tracker, I presume you've read http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZRobots yes? |
| 12:58.46 | Nitroxis | yes |
| 13:00.03 | Nitroxis | "RobotPlayer.h": No such file or director |
| 13:00.08 | Nitroxis | y |
| 13:00.21 | Nitroxis | fatal error C1083 |
| 13:01.04 | brlcad | needs to have src/clientbase added to the solution header search paths |
| 13:02.47 | Nitroxis | ok... |
| 13:05.52 | Nitroxis | where can i add header search paths (sorry but i'm new to vc) |
| 13:07.06 | brlcad | try right-clicking the project on the left solution view, properties or somesuch |
| 13:07.19 | brlcad | I don't have msvc at hand anywhere atm |
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| 13:42.49 | cygal | brlcad: I only worked on solo bots :) |
| 13:43.21 | cygal | blast007: are you sure this is always true? |
| 13:45.31 | brlcad | cygal: ah, I thought I recall seeing some refactoring from you related to bzrobots |
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| 13:45.39 | brlcad | not necessarily getting them working, but related :) |
| 13:47.11 | cygal | another student is working on bzrobots, and I never tried them. not important anyway.. |
| 13:47.38 | brlcad | okie |
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| 13:48.33 | mrapplecomputer1 | quick question which i cant seem to find the answer to because i keep hearing different things. here it goes... |
| 13:50.15 | mrapplecomputer1 | i want to be able to assign one user certain perms from a group, for example MRAPPLE.MAPMAKER. but i only want them to have there perms on there map. is this possible? i heard from allejo you could do something like local.mapmaker and then just do /setgroup in the server, but is this at all possible? or am i very confused..... |
| 13:54.15 | Janis | mrapplecom do you know where is groupdb located |
| 13:54.41 | Janis | on your computer |
| 13:55.24 | TD-Linux | local groups are what you want I think |
| 13:57.45 | Janis | you can just make in notepad/textedit simple textfile called local.mapmaker and add cmds to that group |
| 13:57.52 | mrapplecomputer1 | yea |
| 13:57.57 | Janis | then add it to the groupdb |
| 13:58.02 | mrapplecomputer1 | i did that |
| 13:58.05 | mrapplecomputer1 | restarted the server |
| 13:58.17 | mrapplecomputer1 | it still said /setgroup command disabled |
| 13:58.29 | Janis | did you add -SETGROUP? |
| 13:58.35 | mrapplecomputer1 | no lol |
| 13:58.40 | Janis | do it |
| 13:58.42 | mrapplecomputer1 | thanks! ill go try that now |
| 13:59.09 | Janis | try with "-" if not working then without "-".. i dont reallly remember which one is correct |
| 13:59.30 | mrapplecomputer1 | its with - |
| 13:59.33 | mrapplecomputer1 | so -setgroup |
| 13:59.34 | Janis | ok:) |
| 14:00.30 | Janis | dont forget about capslock:) "-SETGROUP" |
| 14:00.36 | mrapplecomputer1 | no |
| 14:00.48 | mrapplecomputer1 | in the conf? isnt it just -setgroup |
| 14:01.11 | brad | umm |
| 14:01.21 | brad | need -userdb for local groups |
| 14:01.29 | mrapplecomputer1 | has stumped a few people |
| 14:01.29 | TD-Linux | you do? |
| 14:01.39 | mrapplecomputer1 | brad: thats what i thought...... |
| 14:01.41 | TD-Linux | ohwait yes you do :P |
| 14:01.53 | brad | yep |
| 14:02.02 | TD-Linux | it just doesn't include user passwords |
| 14:02.02 | brad | that's where they are save |
| 14:02.12 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok so do ihave to make a seperat group file for -userdb or can i use the same -groupdb file? |
| 14:02.24 | brad | userdb is not groupdb |
| 14:02.29 | brad | they are totally different |
| 14:02.29 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok |
| 14:02.34 | mrapplecomputer1 | got it ;) |
| 14:02.51 | mrapplecomputer1 | so i need local.mapmaker in groupdb and an empty userdb? correct? |
| 14:02.58 | brad | correct :-) |
| 14:05.41 | mrapplecomputer1 | perfect! it works! |
| 14:06.09 | mrapplecomputer1 | so now i just have a seperate userdb for each server then that person will be given special perms on there server! brilliant! |
| 14:07.02 | brad | yep |
| 14:07.24 | mrapplecomputer1 | wait |
| 14:07.27 | mrapplecomputer1 | this aint good |
| 14:07.35 | mrapplecomputer1 | lets say that brad made a map |
| 14:07.49 | mrapplecomputer1 | anyone could login with the callsign brad and get perms |
| 14:07.52 | mrapplecomputer1 | uhoh |
| 14:07.58 | brad | no... |
| 14:08.10 | _anomaly_ | you have to use local auth, password file |
| 14:08.15 | brad | no... |
| 14:08.21 | _anomaly_ | no? |
| 14:08.22 | brad | can still use global auth with local groups |
| 14:08.31 | mrapplecomputer1 | how then |
| 14:08.32 | _anomaly_ | true |
| 14:08.33 | mrapplecomputer1 | i just tried it |
| 14:08.44 | _anomaly_ | but he needs to auth a player per map |
| 14:08.54 | mrapplecomputer1 | huh? |
| 14:09.00 | mrapplecomputer1 | hey mike btw :D |
| 14:09.00 | _anomaly_ | nvm |
| 14:09.03 | brad | yeah, but thats what he wants :P |
| 14:09.05 | *** join/#bzflag dexter- (n=Adium@bzflag/player/Dexter) |
| 14:09.07 | _anomaly_ | hey |
| 14:09.09 | *** join/#bzflag Wyk3d (n=Wyk3d@79.116.94.159) |
| 14:09.35 | mrapplecomputer1 | thinks this could all be solved with a plugin |
| 14:09.50 | dexter- | just ran make and got this: |
| 14:09.51 | dexter- | make[2]: *** [ScoreboardRenderer.lo] Error 1 |
| 14:09.51 | dexter- | make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 14:09.51 | dexter- | make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 14:09.57 | dexter- | but no real error above it |
| 14:10.05 | Janis | dex |
| 14:10.14 | Janis | need help with compiling client? |
| 14:10.26 | mrapplecomputer1 | anyone, any ideas? |
| 14:10.32 | dexter- | Janis: yea |
| 14:10.45 | Janis | dex, what version of bzflag? |
| 14:10.51 | dexter- | 2.99 |
| 14:10.54 | Janis | ah |
| 14:11.16 | _anomaly_ | svn? |
| 14:11.27 | Janis | had the same error.... i bet you are trying to build it with the new autogen.sh |
| 14:11.37 | mrapplecomputer1 | so can you use -userdb and golbal authentication? basically that should answer everything |
| 14:11.42 | dexter- | yes, svn |
| 14:11.52 | Janis | not the standard one which was firstly in the folder |
| 14:11.58 | Janis | had same error |
| 14:11.59 | dexter- | that's not the problem |
| 14:12.04 | dexter- | I pasted my error above |
| 14:12.06 | _anomaly_ | hmm, I just did svn up and it built fine for me |
| 14:12.25 | brad | mrapplecomputer1: yes |
| 14:12.27 | _anomaly_ | but I didn't have to do ./autogen.sh |
| 14:12.33 | mrapplecomputer1 | brad: how how how?! :D |
| 14:13.03 | brad | mrapplecomputer1: well, whoever you want to add needs to join the server first (with global auth), so they will be added to the userdb |
| 14:13.12 | brad | then you can /setgroup "name" group |
| 14:13.22 | Janis | dexter your on intel mac, why building it when there is allready built up bzflag 2.99 |
| 14:13.32 | mrapplecomputer1 | brad: yes i tried that but then i tried having the person login incorrectly and it still gave them perms |
| 14:13.36 | mrapplecomputer1 | ill try it one more time |
| 14:13.41 | dexter- | Janis: how recent is that build |
| 14:14.55 | Janis | dunno have to check:) + i dont think there was a lot of changes since the build was posted.. |
| 14:15.20 | mrapplecomputer1 | brad: holy crap it does work!!!!!!!!!!!!THANK YOU SO MUCH! i love you ;) |
| 14:15.25 | brad | :) |
| 14:22.27 | blast007 | cygal: no, not sure it's "always" true ;) |
| 14:22.34 | blast007 | but in the quick test before I went to work, it was |
| 14:23.05 | blast007 | I had a server running on my dedicated server, first was a non-public server |
| 14:23.41 | blast007 | I joined one client to it from one computer, and then another client from a second computer |
| 14:23.58 | blast007 | the client on the first computer did display the motto of the second client, but not the other way around |
| 14:24.32 | blast007 | however, when I added just a proper -public and -publicaddr, I did not receive the motto of the second client when doing the same test |
| 14:24.45 | dexter- | anyone think of something that could cause that error? |
| 14:24.48 | blast007 | that was with revision 20000 |
| 14:25.01 | blast007 | so I also tried with the latest revision, and it behaved the same |
| 14:25.14 | blast007 | dexter-: that's not an error |
| 14:25.28 | blast007 | you just gave us the messages that said "there was an error" |
| 14:25.43 | blast007 | so, look harder. |
| 14:25.50 | Janis | i think u can run the bzflag even if the BUILD FAILED |
| 14:25.58 | blast007 | if you're building debug, even warnings will cause the build to fail |
| 14:26.35 | dexter- | http://pastebin.com/d2232b7be |
| 14:27.09 | blast007 | mrapplecomputer1: local groups are bad. If someone changes their name on the forum, they lose their rights. And then if someone else takes their name, they would have the rights of that person. |
| 14:27.19 | blast007 | the userdb is based only on name |
| 14:27.57 | mrapplecomputer1 | blast007: well i wouldnt use userdb if i had a plugin........... maybe you could send me the source and we could work on improving it :D |
| 14:28.17 | blast007 | and by "we" you mean me |
| 14:28.23 | Janis | :D |
| 14:32.09 | blast007 | dexter-: have you tried a clean checkout? |
| 14:32.23 | dexter- | after that? |
| 14:32.25 | dexter- | not yet |
| 14:32.42 | blast007 | or even a 'make distclean' and then do the autogen configure make again |
| 14:32.53 | blast007 | or install Windows XP |
| 14:32.55 | blast007 | ;) |
| 14:33.01 | dexter- | g1 |
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| 14:34.16 | mrapplecomputer1 | blast007: no bye we i mean you, not me, warpig, fp, thefish, and other people who i can seel my cause too :D maybe ill even learn some c! think of it as a teaching expreiecnce opportunity |
| 14:34.50 | blast007 | what? |
| 14:35.18 | dexter- | blast007: what do you mean by a clean checkout? just to avoid a misunderstanding |
| 14:35.36 | blast007 | mrapplecomputer1: you should master your current language before you learn another one |
| 14:35.55 | blast007 | dexter-: svn co https://blablabla |
| 14:36.21 | dexter- | right |
| 14:36.21 | blast007 | delete your checkout and get a new one |
| 14:36.40 | dexter- | this was a fresh one, so I dunno what that'll do |
| 14:36.43 | dexter- | i guess I can try. |
| 14:36.54 | blast007 | k, you didn't say though |
| 14:36.57 | blast007 | that* |
| 14:37.16 | dexter- | yes, this was a fresh checkout. |
| 14:37.19 | blast007 | thought you had updated an earlier checkout |
| 14:37.28 | dexter- | nope |
| 14:37.31 | blast007 | so, I guess your only option is to install XP |
| 14:38.41 | cygal | so mac build is broken? |
| 14:38.54 | blast007 | at least for him |
| 14:38.59 | dexter- | I did everything right, afaik |
| 14:39.09 | dexter- | autogen & configure went fine |
| 14:39.45 | blast007 | initially you were having problems with autoconf though |
| 14:39.59 | cygal | try rm ./src/clientbase/ScoreboardRenderer.lo, and $ svn up |
| 14:40.21 | mrapplecomputer1 | blast007: sigh. ok. if you change your mind you know where to find me :D |
| 14:40.23 | dexter- | blast007: outdated version, I managed to install the new one |
| 14:40.47 | dexter- | cygal: ah, ./autogen.sh is still running atm, should I just cancel that? |
| 14:43.50 | SpazzyMcGee | trying to build on OS X, dexter? |
| 14:43.55 | Janis | yes |
| 14:44.56 | SpazzyMcGee | Worked perfectly a couple of days ago for me |
| 14:45.05 | SpazzyMcGee | which OS are you on? |
| 14:45.24 | dexter- | latest |
| 14:45.25 | Janis | leopard:) |
| 14:46.10 | SpazzyMcGee | and you've tried just the standard ./autogen.sh ./configure xcodebuild -target development ? |
| 14:46.49 | SpazzyMcGee | have you tried using the xcode proj directly? |
| 14:47.13 | dexter- | yes |
| 14:47.48 | dexter- | http://pastebin.com/m38b95af8 |
| 14:47.56 | dexter- | after running xcodebuild |
| 14:48.33 | SpazzyMcGee | Try it directly in xcode |
| 14:48.37 | dexter- | http://pastebin.com/m546e2815 ./configure works fine |
| 14:48.39 | dexter- | I did that too |
| 14:48.42 | dexter- | I got the same 5 errors. |
| 14:48.48 | SpazzyMcGee | target development? |
| 14:48.55 | dexter- | yah |
| 14:49.46 | dexter- | rm: ./src/clientbase/ScoreboardRenderer.lo: No such file or directory |
| 14:49.53 | dexter- | how can that be when it errored on that |
| 14:50.21 | SpazzyMcGee | perhaps it errored because of that... |
| 14:50.55 | SpazzyMcGee | svn up should restore missing files |
| 14:51.18 | BulletCatcher | No, .lo files are created by compiling. They are not in svn. |
| 14:52.25 | dexter- | oh |
| 14:53.06 | dexter- | well.. |
| 14:53.34 | BulletCatcher | Okay, run "make" again. That should re-attempt to compile the problematic file, and you should see a real error message. |
| 14:54.18 | dexter- | i'm going to do a clean check out again, i was messing with the textures a bit too |
| 14:55.51 | dexter- | (btw: any 3.0 servers running?) |
| 14:55.58 | dexter- | about to download that mac build on the forums |
| 14:56.47 | dexter- | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=14388 |
| 14:57.06 | SpazzyMcGee | It'll be out of date |
| 14:57.09 | BulletCatcher | Any 2.99.x builds posted to the forums are obsolete unless they were posted within the last 24 hours. There has been a protocol change since then. |
| 14:59.46 | dexter- | ok |
| 15:00.14 | dexter- | eesh, SF is slow |
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| 15:11.51 | dexter- | k. about to run make. |
| 15:37.43 | dexter- | sigh lol |
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| 15:56.36 | blast007 | dexter-: did it work? |
| 15:56.58 | dexter- | it's sitll compiling.. |
| 15:57.00 | dexter- | still* |
| 15:57.02 | dexter- | Wow, lol. |
| 15:57.14 | dexter- | It's been about 40 minutes |
| 15:57.20 | blast007 | nice |
| 15:57.39 | blast007 | takes about 3 minutes for me ;) |
| 15:57.57 | blast007 | at least on linux with ccache |
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| 16:07.35 | dexter- | blast007: yay not done |
| 16:07.37 | dexter- | :) |
| 16:07.49 | dexter- | closing this..will check back as soon as it's done. |
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| 16:13.01 | dexter- | blast007: it's done |
| 16:13.23 | dexter- | didn't take very long.. 1 hour, 2 minutes, 44 seconds |
| 16:13.25 | dexter- | ;) |
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| 16:25.11 | blast007 | JefferyM: I managed to reproduce the motto bug again ;) |
| 16:25.38 | blast007 | making the server -public was the trick. Didn't have time to see why that made a difference though. |
| 16:26.23 | blast007 | I'll poke at it some more when I get home |
| 16:27.37 | JefferyM | ok, well at least that's progress |
| 16:27.42 | JefferyM | thanks for all your work on it :) |
| 16:29.08 | cygal | JefferyM: if Replay segfaults, should I move it from 'Critical task' to 'Critical fix' and work on it? (plus it was planned on my gsoc schedule anyway) |
| 16:29.18 | JefferyM | yes |
| 16:29.18 | cygal | hey, I could even ask to DTRemenak :) |
| 16:29.22 | cygal | ok, sure |
| 16:30.00 | DTRemenak | is fine with that |
| 16:46.37 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03Cygal 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6551 10/w/V3RCChecklist: replay system tested. let's fix it now |
| 16:49.42 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03Cygal 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6552 10/w/V3RCChecklist: /* RC Critical fixes. */ fix typo |
| 16:49.53 | cygal | CIA-62 could leave minor edits |
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| 16:50.21 | dexter- | cool |
| 16:50.23 | dexter- | at least my textures still work |
| 16:50.44 | dexter- | 3.0 seems pretty nice, really. I also get more fps |
| 16:51.14 | dexter- | just a couple things i'd like to see done (convo with trepan yesterday) otherwise, not bad at all :) |
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| 16:58.20 | trepan | like what? |
| 17:00.12 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20186 10/trunk/bzflag/man/bzfs.6.in: * added the -publicuser description |
| 17:03.32 | dexter- | like shooting through objects (ramps, bases), passes from tele or inside |
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| 17:04.20 | dexter- | just wondering.. the jumps seem higher, a server setting though, right? |
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| 17:10.39 | JefferyM | trepan, what did you mean by "require" public user last night? |
| 17:10.51 | JefferyM | as in require for the release or require to list on the list server? |
| 17:14.10 | JefferyM | was playing star wars rpg and was not at his desk |
| 17:15.22 | BulletCatcher | dexter-: Jumps should be the same unless you have the new Low Gravity flag. |
| 17:15.35 | dexter- | alright. |
| 17:15.51 | dexter- | will the thing with passing on teleporters be possible? |
| 17:17.19 | ruskie | hmm any reason store.bzflag.org is offline? |
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| 17:18.14 | JefferyM | brlcad may be moving it to the new server |
| 17:18.34 | ruskie | ahh |
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| 17:34.03 | trepan | JefferyM: require to list on the list server |
| 17:34.41 | JefferyM | I'm not sure we are ready to do that yet |
| 17:34.58 | trepan | starting playing with it: http://trepan.bzflag.bz/bzfls2-req-user.diff |
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| 17:35.14 | trepan | (allows BZFS0026 to register without auth) |
| 17:35.16 | JefferyM | can we make it where those that do reg are on the main list tab, and those that don't are on a secondary tab |
| 17:35.40 | trepan | that would at least be a start |
| 17:35.49 | JefferyM | yeah gives us a transiion plan |
| 17:35.56 | trepan | but would require client modifications |
| 17:36.06 | trepan | just requiring auth can be done at the list-server, easily |
| 17:36.24 | JefferyM | well I don't want to change 2.0.x behavor |
| 17:36.31 | trepan | (allows BZFS0026 to register without auth) <-- |
| 17:36.35 | JefferyM | ok |
| 17:36.49 | JefferyM | that's fine for 2.x then |
| 17:37.06 | JefferyM | for 3, I don't know if we can make the big jump of saying "all servers MUST register" yet |
| 17:37.16 | JefferyM | but putting them on the main tab is a good incentive |
| 17:37.24 | trepan | sure we can ;-) |
| 17:37.25 | JefferyM | then get rid of the second tab in 3.2 |
| 17:37.34 | Erroneous | why not? |
| 17:37.36 | trepan | if you want to be publicly listed, tell us who you are (seems fair) |
| 17:37.58 | JefferyM | we need a good way to communicate that |
| 17:38.07 | trepan | easy touchup to bzfs |
| 17:38.11 | Erroneous | put it in the upgrade announcements |
| 17:38.18 | JefferyM | I'm not totaly against it, I'm just trying to see it from the server owners side |
| 17:38.19 | trepan | if (-public && !-publicuser) then yell |
| 17:38.21 | Erroneous | every server owner who upgrades is going to read them |
| 17:38.57 | trepan | that basic logic is already built into that patch: "die("ERROR: missing required -publicuser fields."); |
| 17:39.06 | Erroneous | upgrading is already painful and requires lots of manual intervention. requiring another step is not going to change things much from the server owner's perspective. |
| 17:39.09 | JefferyM | are there any security issues for having the bzdb user/pass in the command line, or config? |
| 17:39.29 | trepan | not if the config file is setup correctly |
| 17:39.35 | trepan | the command line could be an issue |
| 17:39.43 | trepan | was about to add the same treatment as for -passwd |
| 17:39.43 | Erroneous | we already deal with that for -password |
| 17:40.00 | JefferyM | do we want to do somethign where we give them some kind of "server key" that's tied to the hostname? |
| 17:40.06 | JefferyM | make them "register" each server |
| 17:40.36 | JefferyM | bassicly go to a web page, login to the bz auth, put in your domain name, and get a key that you use |
| 17:40.45 | JefferyM | then we store the bzid server side |
| 17:40.55 | JefferyM | and that key is only valid for that domain name |
| 17:41.00 | JefferyM | and we reverse dns check it |
| 17:41.09 | JefferyM | or is that too complex for something that dosnt' need to be? |
| 17:41.16 | trepan | that's even harder the kiddies, name/pass isn't good enough? |
| 17:41.32 | JefferyM | just thinking about security of those name/pass |
| 17:41.34 | JefferyM | that's all |
| 17:41.40 | JefferyM | maybe it is harder |
| 17:41.45 | JefferyM | that's why I';m askin ;) |
| 17:41.55 | JefferyM | just throwin out ideas |
| 17:42.13 | JefferyM | we have enough problem with the kidies letting there users get out allready |
| 17:42.20 | JefferyM | sorry passwords |
| 17:42.29 | JefferyM | maybe there are ways to help prevent that |
| 17:42.54 | joevano | get rid of kidies? ;) |
| 17:42.55 | Erroneous | could go all out...require them to gen a public/private key pair, put the public key in a TXT record and register it with us, and use the keypair to encrypt list server communications ;) |
| 17:43.10 | JefferyM | if we make the game server print out a message that says "you need -pubuser" and what to do when they use -public that would help too |
| 17:43.24 | JefferyM | joevano, this will get rid of most of them |
| 17:43.37 | JefferyM | and I don'tt hink that's a bad thing |
| 17:43.53 | joevano | me either |
| 17:43.58 | JefferyM | I just want to make sure that we do it in a sane and civil way |
| 17:44.15 | trepan | the listserver warning is already in that patch |
| 17:44.21 | JefferyM | ok |
| 17:44.27 | cygal | fixing replay system will be long. difficult to test, backtrace not really usable, etc. |
| 17:44.31 | trepan | (shows up when bzfs is enabled with debugging) |
| 17:45.23 | JefferyM | cygal, that's what debugers are for :) |
| 17:45.40 | JefferyM | trepan, for 3.0 I think we shuld show it even with no -d |
| 17:45.48 | trepan | ya, i've already mentionned that |
| 17:45.52 | JefferyM | like we did for the lack of -a in 2.0.x |
| 17:45.53 | JefferyM | lk |
| 17:45.54 | trepan | "easy touchup to bzfs" <- |
| 17:46.03 | Erroneous | cygal: yup, probably one of the bigger projects. probably more than one thing wrong too. |
| 17:46.50 | trepan | JefferyM: i'll add the warning in the next commit |
| 17:47.07 | JefferyM | k |
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| 17:51.56 | JefferyM | so the list server would know the bzID of each server right? |
| 17:53.44 | JefferyM | would the game server know it's own bzid? |
| 17:55.55 | trepan | it might if an extra action type was added to bzfls to provide extra server info |
| 17:56.05 | trepan | or you could add something to the stats stuff you've been doing |
| 17:57.59 | JefferyM | that's what I'm thinking, should the server send it's bzID to the stats system, or should the stats system get the BZID from the list |
| 17:58.39 | JefferyM | having a bzID for a game server makes some of the stat stuff I wanted to do VERY simple |
| 17:58.47 | JefferyM | so I am all for having that |
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| 17:59.04 | joevano | never trust the client (which is the server here) ;) |
| 17:59.08 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 17:59.21 | JefferyM | it just means more hooks to the list, but they arn't big ones |
| 17:59.41 | JefferyM | for players I'm having them send up the last token they authed with, and I check that against the list server |
| 17:59.55 | JefferyM | for servers, we know the host:port is unique |
| 18:00.00 | JefferyM | so we can use that to get bzid |
| 18:00.22 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20187 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/CmdLineOptions.cxx: * clear the -publicuser password argument's memory |
| 18:00.33 | joevano | the server could send it but it would still need to be verified |
| 18:00.40 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 18:01.12 | joevano | is struggling switching to dvorak |
| 18:01.19 | JefferyM | heh |
| 18:01.44 | joevano | i think it will be worth it though |
| 18:02.18 | joevano | i really like the feel of the TypeMatrix |
| 18:03.07 | JefferyM | re: the stats system, what is faster for sql, to delete all the players for a server and to just readd them from the current list, or to walk the current list, updating the players that are still there, removing ones that arnt, adding new ones? |
| 18:05.51 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20188 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: * added a warning for when -public is used without -publicuser |
| 18:06.16 | trepan | joevano: i had 'aoeu' and 'asdf' scripts to switch between dvorak/qwerty quickly when i was learning |
| 18:09.34 | trepan | JefferyM: as for changing the active bzfls script, i don't know where it is on bzflag.bz, or which version should be used as the base |
| 18:09.53 | trepan | seems was is now web/bzfls2/index.php was once bzfls.php ? |
| 18:09.55 | JefferyM | trepan, ok, I can get blast007 to do it |
| 18:10.00 | cygal | sorry, I did not follow the debugNetMesg thing and don't have greppable logs. what variable(s) should be changed to display the net messages in handleServerMessage? |
| 18:10.01 | trepan | s/was is/what is/ |
| 18:10.10 | JefferyM | I'm not sure ether, he's been the list server master of late |
| 18:10.28 | cygal | hm I'll try /set debugNetMesg 1 |
| 18:10.41 | trepan | cygal: also requires _forbidDebug 0 |
| 18:10.50 | trepan | (for state visibility reasons ;) |
| 18:11.31 | JefferyM | double negitives FTW |
| 18:11.33 | cygal | thanks |
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| 18:31.32 | SpazzyMcGee | wow, trepan - looks brilliant with those material changes you made. |
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| 18:34.07 | trepan | SpazzyMcGee: just allowed name aliasing |
| 18:34.35 | trepan | tbh, it should be redone to allow multiple 'name' lines, so that world save on clients will still work |
| 18:34.46 | trepan | s/world/worlds/ |
| 18:42.55 | _anomaly_ | what is this -publicuser? I don't see it in the man pages (svn 20188) |
| 18:46.37 | _anomaly_ | nvm, just read the warning msg from bzfs |
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| 20:23.46 | donny | lnick joevano |
| 20:25.51 | brlcad | licks joevano |
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| 21:18.57 | Bambino | Spam: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=14475 |
| 21:19.05 | Bambino | it's some sort of pill... |
| 21:19.22 | JefferyM | yeah that's how we are making money for the project now |
| 21:19.40 | Bambino | I knew it! |
| 21:19.45 | JefferyM | "donations" arn't cutting it |
| 21:19.49 | Bambino | yeah |
| 21:20.12 | Bambino | when I win the lottery I'll pay for bzlag 3.0.0 to be made over night ;) |
| 21:20.26 | JefferyM | how much will you be willing to pay? |
| 21:20.41 | Bambino | depends how much I win |
| 21:20.59 | Bambino | would 1 Million cut it? |
| 21:21.06 | JefferyM | probably not |
| 21:21.10 | Bambino | like 25K per dev? |
| 21:21.23 | Bambino | think about Jeff, a new car |
| 21:21.30 | Bambino | or a sick computer ;) |
| 21:21.31 | JefferyM | the overhead of just managing what to do |
| 21:21.50 | JefferyM | figure each person wold only take home 1/3 to 1/2 that |
| 21:22.01 | JefferyM | the work would also take over a day |
| 21:22.09 | Bambino | yeah |
| 21:22.19 | Bambino | wishes it were real |
| 21:22.24 | Bambino | was** |
| 21:22.27 | JefferyM | the hardest part would be picking the right person to do the project management |
| 21:22.48 | Bambino | aren't you doing that? |
| 21:23.03 | JefferyM | not well ;) |
| 21:23.12 | Bambino | ah |
| 21:23.20 | JefferyM | the current management style is not the same way you'd do a paid project |
| 21:23.28 | JefferyM | you would not let paid developers just do whatever they wanted |
| 21:23.43 | Bambino | of course |
| 21:24.38 | JefferyM | you'd spend a lot of time just defningin what you'd want bzflag to do :) |
| 21:25.54 | Bambino | Tell me, how do these mythical cross server teleporters work, to change the subject ;) |
| 21:26.04 | JefferyM | did someone implement thos? |
| 21:26.19 | Bambino | no idea |
| 21:26.22 | Bambino | I just heard about it |
| 21:26.34 | JefferyM | stupidest idea yet IMHO |
| 21:26.59 | Bambino | would your score get carried over? (bad idea) |
| 21:27.08 | JefferyM | that would make it even supider |
| 21:27.21 | Bambino | get 4000 points with bots then head over to a map.. |
| 21:28.19 | Think_Differentl | say, would it be possible to use the server side lua to create a map that could change to other maps? |
| 21:28.19 | JefferyM | people leaving after doing stupid stuff is already a problem, with teleporters now it's even easier ;) |
| 21:28.19 | JefferyM | Think_Differentl, the API supports kicking everyone and reloading the map |
| 21:28.19 | JefferyM | I think you can tell people to then join |
| 21:28.22 | JefferyM | not sure if trepan did a "resend map" message or not |
| 21:28.31 | temp_work | and the client can now change player scores, right? |
| 21:28.43 | JefferyM | yes |
| 21:28.50 | JefferyM | the server can |
| 21:28.52 | JefferyM | not the client |
| 21:32.07 | Think_Differentl | I was thinking that you could create a map with teleporters to rooms which could trigger different maps. So say if 10 people went into the misslewar room, and 3 others went into different ones, then the server would know that most people wanted to change to misslewar and it would change the map. |
| 21:32.27 | JefferyM | I guess |
| 21:32.33 | JefferyM | not the most intuitive system |
| 21:33.02 | JefferyM | why not just make a map poll with a UI? :) |
| 21:33.12 | Think_Differentl | heh, I guess |
| 21:33.25 | JefferyM | if you are going to do it, do it right :) |
| 21:33.45 | temp_work | part of that work is done with the mapchange plugin |
| 21:34.09 | JefferyM | the old mapchange system restarted bzfs |
| 21:34.21 | JefferyM | the new one should not require a restart but it still kicks everyone |
| 21:34.29 | JefferyM | best would be to just tell all clients to get the world again |
| 21:43.23 | bryjen | hmm... so do I use the bzbb user name and password I play under to launch my bzfs-es or create another account? |
| 21:46.24 | JefferyM | up to you |
| 21:46.38 | JefferyM | what name do you want people with a problem to use to contact you? |
| 21:47.28 | blast007 | JefferyM / trepan: the web/bzfls2/ stuff isn't finished or used yet. It's still using db/bzfls.php |
| 21:47.52 | JefferyM | ok |
| 21:48.12 | JefferyM | what do you think about requiring reg to host? |
| 21:50.44 | blast007 | I'd be fine with that |
| 21:50.59 | JefferyM | think the server owners will be? |
| 21:51.20 | blast007 | it's not like most of them don't already have an account |
| 21:51.35 | blast007 | but I don't really like the idea of storing the username/password in there |
| 21:51.53 | JefferyM | that kinda bugged me too |
| 21:52.20 | blast007 | a key based system would be better |
| 21:52.31 | blast007 | like an API key |
| 21:52.45 | blast007 | except, for hosting ;) |
| 21:53.19 | JefferyM | I was thinking that you go to a simple page, auth using webuath, put in a server host (IP or domain) and you get a key |
| 21:53.25 | JefferyM | you use that key in the command line |
| 21:53.37 | JefferyM | and it's valid for that hostname |
| 21:53.44 | JefferyM | but it's more steps to host |
| 21:53.55 | blast007 | more steps isn't necessarily bad ;) |
| 21:53.58 | JefferyM | and requiring reg allready adds another step to hosting |
| 21:54.04 | JefferyM | true, but too many gets anoying |
| 21:54.30 | blast007 | so you're saying that we'll maybe only have 200 servers instead of 300? ;) it keeps sounding better and better |
| 21:55.10 | JefferyM | oh it'll defenatly cut them down |
| 21:55.13 | JefferyM | and that's a good thing |
| 21:55.14 | blast007 | I also wouldn't mind the "severs with contact info show up on the main tab, and ones that don't show up on another tab" |
| 21:56.21 | JefferyM | I'd like to get TimRiker's opinion |
| 21:57.25 | brlcad | http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/bzflag.org |
| 21:57.37 | brlcad | (fun useless stats) |
| 21:58.37 | bryjen | Hungary? |
| 22:00.19 | brlcad | already ate, but thx |
| 22:01.09 | bryjen | ~fishslap brlcad |
| 22:01.10 | ibot | ACTION slaps brlcad up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 22:01.25 | bryjen | tartar sauce? :P |
| 22:01.35 | brlcad | :) |
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| 22:21.19 | trepan | i don't really see a problem with having the password in the -publicuser option |
| 22:21.40 | trepan | use a 'chmod 600' file if you feel insecure |
| 22:21.51 | trepan | also note that that's where the -passwd would also go |
| 22:23.07 | blast007 | right, but the -passwd doesn't get someone into your forum account ;) |
| 22:23.46 | blast007 | we already have people sometimes forget to remove their -passwd before posting a config on the forum.. |
| 22:24.01 | trepan | people are stupid, get used to it ;) |
| 22:24.47 | trepan | could setup a .bzfs file, would work just a well |
| 22:24.55 | trepan | checked for permissions (a la ssh) |
| 22:25.36 | JefferyM | ok, lets go for password in config, and require it for 3.0 servers |
| 22:25.41 | JefferyM | we'll see how that works out in beta |
| 22:25.50 | trepan | or have -publicuser <file>, where file contains 'username\npassword' |
| 22:26.10 | trepan | (and <file>'s permissions would be checked) |
| 22:26.13 | JefferyM | as some have pointed out, it isn't less secure then -password so what the heck |
| 22:26.28 | JefferyM | we can start simple and tweak if needbe |
| 22:26.53 | JefferyM | we'll just have to document the hell out of it :) |
| 22:27.13 | JefferyM | we can add -authkey later if we want :) |
| 22:27.21 | JefferyM | then you can do eher password or key |
| 22:29.22 | SpazzyMcGee | Why is 'gay' a banned word on the BZBB |
| 22:29.23 | SpazzyMcGee | ? |
| 22:29.35 | JefferyM | it is mostly used as an insult |
| 22:29.53 | JefferyM | unfortonatly |
| 22:30.54 | SpazzyMcGee | I'm not sure that should mean it should be banned... |
| 22:31.32 | JefferyM | possibly |
| 22:31.44 | JefferyM | I'd be ok with removing it as I haven't seen anyone abbuse it in a while |
| 22:32.34 | SpazzyMcGee | I've rarely seen it in all my time on the BZBB |
| 22:32.45 | JefferyM | yeah it used to be a problem when we had the chat fourm |
| 22:32.48 | JefferyM | but that is long gone |
| 22:33.30 | JefferyM | now the fun part, "where did they move it to" :) |
| 22:33.48 | SpazzyMcGee | Heh |
| 22:34.24 | trepan | JefferyM: could block -publicuser from being used in -conf files, force it to the command line |
| 22:35.16 | JefferyM | thought that was worse? :) |
| 22:35.47 | trepan | worse? in terms of usability, or security? |
| 22:35.50 | JefferyM | security |
| 22:36.30 | trepan | it probably is from a local system viewpoint; but if yall are worried about conf's being pasted to the forum ... |
| 22:36.53 | JefferyM | leave it and lets see if we think of anyting over the next couple days |
| 22:37.08 | JefferyM | SpazzyMcGee, has been removed |
| 22:37.24 | SpazzyMcGee | cool |
| 22:37.48 | JefferyM | but I'm not removing "peeps" :) |
| 22:39.17 | SpazzyMcGee | hehe, why did that get blocked? |
| 22:40.19 | trepan | and now to figure out why NonPlayer is segv'ing on occasion (combined with luaserver, but I don't think that it's the lua code's fault, this time ;) |
| 22:42.46 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20189 10/trunk/bzflag/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 22:42.47 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: * added DebugDrawing::drawTanks() to RadarRenderer |
| 22:42.51 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: * change the default shotLength to 4 |
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| 22:48.48 | brlcad | if it's on the arg list, it'll show up in a ps listing |
| 22:48.58 | trepan | the memory is wiped |
| 22:49.06 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20190 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/DebugDrawing.cxx: * fixed a GL state mismatch problem |
| 22:49.07 | trepan | the same as for -password |
| 22:49.26 | brlcad | you mean within bzfs it clears out argv or something? |
| 22:49.32 | trepan | yup |
| 22:49.37 | brlcad | that won't guarantee it |
| 22:51.30 | brlcad | kernel can do whatever book-keeping it wants as can the user's shell that invokes, so it'd still be listable in some contexts -- the config file option should take care of that |
| 22:52.18 | brlcad | we had this same problem years ago with bzfs having the global -password as an arg |
| 22:52.32 | brlcad | couldn't portably conceil it |
| 22:52.34 | trepan | bzfs still has that problem then |
| 22:52.50 | trepan | and the conf option leads to post problems |
| 22:52.57 | brlcad | not exactly, we got rid of -password ;) |
| 22:53.11 | trepan | are you sure? i used it today |
| 22:53.29 | brlcad | ah, there it be -passwd |
| 22:53.48 | trepan | -passwd or -password |
| 22:54.17 | brlcad | the local user db is what I'm thinking of as being removed I suppose |
| 22:54.40 | catay | an encrypted password might be a solution |
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| 22:58.15 | brlcad | post problem isn't nearly as big a deal (to me at least) -- it's pretty blatent when it happens and the user has to *actively* cause the leak |
| 22:58.42 | brlcad | whereas the arg exposure is more subtle and potentially not even exposed if it's a trusted host |
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| 22:58.58 | brlcad | so allow both ala password, let em chose their fate |
| 22:59.33 | Allejo | hmm since when is medial consultations needed in bzflag? |
| 22:59.58 | Allejo | i think the devs may want to look at a post under News and Announcements on the bzbb |
| 23:00.08 | Allejo | not sure if it would be considered useless ;) |
| 23:00.16 | brlcad | there is a link to report bad posts |
| 23:02.09 | Allejo | make that three posts o.O |
| 23:04.11 | Bambino | This sounds like a threat |
| 23:04.12 | Bambino | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=14479 |
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| 23:04.32 | Bambino | spam http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=14479 |
| 23:04.56 | Allejo | yea |
| 23:05.16 | Bambino | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=42734 |
| 23:05.23 | Bambino | and that is another spam account |
| 23:05.30 | Bambino | lesbo vids... |
| 23:06.16 | Allejo | hmmm |
| 23:06.27 | Allejo | i dont think a report will be useful in this case ;) |
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| 23:12.07 | Bambino | Can anyone tell me how the "report this post" works |
| 23:12.20 | blast007 | ask the phpBB people |
| 23:12.24 | Bambino | does it PM a forum admin? |
| 23:12.25 | blast007 | I'm too busy deleting spam |
| 23:12.27 | blast007 | no |
| 23:12.29 | Bambino | oh |
| 23:12.36 | Bambino | whine on irc like i do? |
| 23:12.46 | blast007 | I think it shows up somewhere on the forum |
| 23:12.54 | blast007 | I just always read all the posts, so I find stuff that way ;) |
| 23:13.10 | Bambino | would rather whine on IRC - more effective ;) |
| 23:24.31 | Allejo | whats with all the spam on the bzbb these days? |
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| 23:27.18 | blast007 | Allejo: spammers have broken the phpBB3 captcha |
| 23:27.36 | blast007 | or some of them hire people to do it |
| 23:27.47 | Allejo | ah |
| 23:27.57 | Allejo | that sucks :( |
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| 23:50.50 | JefferyM | hey, who deleted my lesbo vids? |
| 23:51.12 | blast007 | hehe |
| 23:51.19 | Allejo | lol |
| 23:51.29 | JefferyM | you know what I had to do to film those? |
| 23:51.42 | pacman87 | JefferyM: you mean you don't back up your important viles? |
| 23:51.44 | pacman87 | files |
| 23:51.54 | Bulldozer | viles is more suitable ;) |
| 23:52.01 | JefferyM | i did. on bzbb |
| 23:54.12 | JefferyM | goes to buy solder. |