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| 00:21.56 | trepan | delusional_: repeatable: adj : able or fit to be repeated |
| 00:22.17 | trepan | as for 'color, alpha', that would be inaccurate |
| 00:22.48 | trepan | color [alpha] would be closer |
| 00:23.04 | trepan | and the [alpha] isn't mentionned as such in any other color specification |
| 00:23.12 | trepan | why is it that this one confuses you? |
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| 01:49.40 | SpazzyMcGee | trepan: the only reason it could be confusing, is because 'alpha' used to be a keyword in the old dyncol |
| 01:51.55 | SpazzyMcGee | And, admittedly it does look confusing in the man - to me, when I first read it, I thought "Right: example of how level works, great -- 2 is the duration... red is the color. That makes sense. What the hell is the last number, then?" |
| 01:52.35 | SpazzyMcGee | It took me 10 seconds longer to realize that was the alpha channel of the color. |
| 01:52.53 | SpazzyMcGee | which seems obvious, now you look back on it. |
| 01:53.32 | SpazzyMcGee | But perhaps not obvious to somebody coming across it for the first time... if you see what I mean. |
| 01:57.35 | trepan | sure, hopefully having removed the old keyword with help |
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| 02:38.01 | Yassen | When compiling plug-ins on linux (ubuntu), the finished .so's end up in the plugins directory like in windows, no? |
| 02:39.17 | Yassen | I've been trying to compile some plug-in's, but I can only find .la's, .lo's, and .o's. |
| 02:39.45 | JeffM | it does not work like windows |
| 02:39.54 | BulletCatcher | Plugin .so files should be installed in $prefix/lib/bzflag, and bzfs should look there for them by default. |
| 02:39.56 | JeffM | there is a .lib folder IIRC |
| 02:40.07 | JeffM | and yeah on isntall it puts them there |
| 02:40.17 | JeffM | on build they go into .lib dirs |
| 02:41.33 | BulletCatcher | The directory is called .libs (plural), but otherwise that is correct. |
| 02:43.39 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20135 10/trunk/web/bzfstats/ (6 files in 3 dirs): start replacing the stat tracker with php |
| 02:44.05 | Yassen | Sorry, but what directory is the .libs folder in? |
| 02:44.23 | BulletCatcher | There should be one in each plugin directory. |
| 02:46.26 | Yassen | I only see .a, .la, and .lai files... |
| 02:47.23 | JeffM | files and folders that start with . are hidden usualy |
| 02:47.26 | JeffM | ls -a |
| 02:47.54 | BulletCatcher | There should be .o and .so files there too if the plugin compiled successfully. |
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| 02:49.30 | randomparticle | what are the current trunk defaults for tank.size.x, tank.size.y, and tank.size.z please? |
| 02:50.35 | Yassen | Okay, I did a cd plugins/HoldTheFlag, sudo make install, say no errors, went into the .libs folder and only saw the .a, .la, and .lai files... |
| 02:50.57 | JeffM | you can't build from the plugin dir IIRC, you do it from the root and build all of bzflag |
| 02:51.09 | JeffM | unless that was changed for trunk |
| 02:52.00 | BulletCatcher | I think it was supposed to be changed to work that way in trunk, but Yassen may be the first to try it. |
| 02:52.33 | Yassen | I'm working in 2.0.13, I had compile errors when trying to do trunk... |
| 02:52.43 | JeffM | yeah that's branch |
| 02:52.54 | JeffM | so yeah from the root, and you have to turn plugins on IIRC |
| 02:52.58 | trepan | randomparticle: http://my.bzflag.org/w/Tank |
| 02:53.06 | BulletCatcher | For 2.0.x you have to build the whole thing to get plugins. |
| 02:53.20 | Yassen | I did, but you have to enable plugins? I probably didn't do that. |
| 02:54.04 | JeffM | --enable_shared maybe? |
| 02:54.53 | Yassen | Yeah, --enable-shared. I'm trying that now. |
| 02:55.09 | BulletCatcher | That should do it. |
| 02:55.38 | Yassen | Is there a reason why that isn't enabled by default? |
| 02:55.48 | JeffM | it's branch |
| 02:55.55 | JeffM | it's on by default in trunk |
| 02:56.29 | JeffM | branch is based off the makefile that didn't have plugin support from the start, trunk is |
| 02:56.58 | Yassen | I was having compile errors when trying to compile trunk, has anyone else had that problem recently? |
| 02:57.23 | JeffM | what is an example of one of the errors? |
| 03:01.15 | randomparticle | i have a slight concern about the new hit zones |
| 03:01.34 | randomparticle | they are much smaller than the old ones with default settings. good players will be near-unhittable |
| 03:01.56 | trepan | tankShotProximity is a 3D variable that can be used to expand the collisions box |
| 03:02.20 | trepan | oops: "_tankShotProximity", "0.25 0.35 0.25", |
| 03:02.28 | randomparticle | ah, sounds good |
| 03:02.44 | randomparticle | i don't see that in checkShotHit though |
| 03:02.55 | JeffM | nope you won't |
| 03:04.07 | JeffM | the vaules are just guesses, they are not final |
| 03:04.28 | randomparticle | i see. in what part of the code is tankShotProximity used, please? |
| 03:04.35 | JeffM | other parts |
| 03:04.40 | randomparticle | i just have web svn access atm |
| 03:04.50 | JeffM | sucks to be you then I guess |
| 03:05.06 | randomparticle | was that comment really necessary? |
| 03:05.18 | JeffM | heh, now that is funny |
| 03:05.35 | JeffM | I'm just not really inclined to go out of may way to help you, you know |
| 03:05.35 | randomparticle | your social skills haven't improved any |
| 03:05.47 | JeffM | it's handled elewhere |
| 03:05.50 | JeffM | in a more generic way |
| 03:05.54 | randomparticle | ok |
| 03:05.57 | JeffM | if you want specifics, search |
| 03:06.14 | randomparticle | ok. there's still a bug in the code, by the look of it |
| 03:06.37 | JeffM | cool |
| 03:10.41 | TD--Linux | trepan, so based on the source of modeltool I made a mesh with one lod :D |
| 03:11.18 | TD--Linux | unfortunately my framerate drops dramatically when I'm close to it |
| 03:11.30 | TD--Linux | it has 128 faces |
| 03:12.00 | JeffM | does one LOD make sense? I would think you would want at least 2, otherwise why even use an LOD |
| 03:12.09 | TD--Linux | because then I can make it spin :D |
| 03:12.10 | JeffM | draw info replaces the drawing, it dosn't supliment it IIRC |
| 03:12.15 | TD--Linux | it's water in a moat |
| 03:12.33 | TD--Linux | I figured making it actual geometry with waves traveling around would look pretty cool |
| 03:12.37 | JeffM | if it's a big mesh it's all going to be drawn as one object |
| 03:12.37 | TD--Linux | and it does work |
| 03:12.40 | JeffM | it won't be split up |
| 03:12.44 | TD--Linux | yeah it's one hueg mesh |
| 03:12.53 | TD--Linux | but why is it getting slow as I get _close_? |
| 03:12.59 | JeffM | how slow? |
| 03:13.03 | TD--Linux | 19 fps |
| 03:13.05 | JeffM | and how close? like inside it's bounds? |
| 03:13.14 | TD--Linux | I don't think inside bounds |
| 03:13.17 | TD--Linux | however it is a very large object |
| 03:13.40 | TD--Linux | basically covers entire map floor |
| 03:14.03 | TD--Linux | it's only 128 faces and there is little overdraw so I don't think fillrate is an issue |
| 03:14.42 | JeffM | I'm just wondering if it's playing havok with the culling system |
| 03:15.21 | TD--Linux | oh whoops |
| 03:15.26 | TD--Linux | it's underground a bit by mistake |
| 03:15.28 | TD--Linux | would that cause issues? |
| 03:15.41 | JeffM | dunno |
| 03:16.22 | trepan | don't think that it would |
| 03:16.36 | trepan | pastebin |
| 03:17.02 | TD--Linux | anyway framerates are higher with bzflag3 but still drop to 30 when I'm close |
| 03:17.30 | trepan | pastebin ;) |
| 03:18.41 | TD--Linux | http://pastebin.ca/1492267 |
| 03:18.46 | TD--Linux | feel free to yell at me if I did something stupid |
| 03:19.05 | trepan | TD--Linux, you idiot!!! |
| 03:19.09 | trepan | oops, jumped the gun ;) |
| 03:19.35 | trepan | you might start by using quads instead of polygons |
| 03:19.52 | trepan | (an easy search&replace) |
| 03:23.15 | trepan | TD--Linux: i'm getting framerates of 1000+ looking at the object, right above it |
| 03:23.33 | TD--Linux | try moving around and get really close to it |
| 03:23.37 | TD--Linux | and look at the edges |
| 03:23.42 | TD--Linux | I bet it's culling or something |
| 03:23.51 | trepan | i'm as close as i can get |
| 03:24.09 | TD--Linux | by replacing those with quads it seemed to make it a bit better |
| 03:24.31 | TD--Linux | but not really sure, it only drops FPS in certain spots |
| 03:26.05 | TD--Linux | my worst framerate in trunk is 31fps, worst in 2.0.10 is 19 on that object |
| 03:26.45 | trepan | so it's been made better, all is well ;) |
| 03:26.56 | trepan | what os & vidcard? |
| 03:27.40 | TD--Linux | 32bit linux, quadro fx 570m (same chip as 8600m) |
| 03:27.54 | JeffM | not the same chip |
| 03:27.58 | JeffM | SIMILAR chip ;) |
| 03:28.03 | TD--Linux | G84 vs G84GL |
| 03:28.18 | TD--Linux | supposedly I get a couple extra features |
| 03:28.20 | JeffM | the quadros have some very interesting "issues" with games |
| 03:28.23 | JeffM | yeah you do |
| 03:28.30 | JeffM | and you are slower at a couple of other features |
| 03:28.30 | TD--Linux | like 64bit depth buffer and hardware accelerated antialiased lines |
| 03:28.39 | JeffM | it's a wierd tradeoff |
| 03:29.02 | JeffM | quadro drivers are optimized for workstation stuff, so they don't always do well with more "game" like things |
| 03:29.04 | TD--Linux | JeffM: IIRC windows has two sets of drivers, one for geforce and one for quadro that might cause the discrepancy |
| 03:29.12 | TD--Linux | on linux it's all the same driver |
| 03:29.21 | trepan | TD--Linux: a couple of things to try: 1) remove the animation 2) draw it as a normal mesh |
| 03:29.28 | trepan | see how the fps'es compare |
| 03:29.29 | JeffM | TD--Linux: not really, it's variants in the internal driver core |
| 03:29.47 | JeffM | we do this kinda testing at work a lot |
| 03:30.04 | JeffM | comparing consumer to pro cards. |
| 03:30.16 | JeffM | making it a mesh is a good idea |
| 03:30.26 | TD--Linux | I'll try that first |
| 03:30.48 | JeffM | animation off is the simplest to try |
| 03:31.00 | trepan | you might also want to add noshadow/noradar depending on how you plan to use it |
| 03:31.16 | TD--Linux | JeffM, I've never even really used the extra features :/ but it came on my Thinkpad and didn't have a premium, so I got it |
| 03:31.38 | trepan | radar and shadow are both kind of useless with underground objects |
| 03:31.38 | TD--Linux | trepan, yeah, noshadow for sure |
| 03:36.18 | trepan | fwiw, with the 'simplification' of the luaserver stuff, you can now use external lua libraries with bzfs |
| 03:36.36 | trepan | but, you have to compile them to use C++ linkage ... |
| 03:37.16 | trepan | i could change the lua sources to use C compiling again, but then you have to use longjmp instead of exceptions; so no stack unwinding |
| 03:38.46 | JeffM | we can probably leave it with C++ for now and see if people run into many issues |
| 03:39.10 | trepan | we could also provide a zip file with the sources for common lua libs, with the C++ modes |
| 03:39.10 | JeffM | could it be swaped out with a config flag or something or are the changes too extensive? |
| 03:39.13 | trepan | *mods |
| 03:39.21 | trepan | there are 2 basic changes |
| 03:39.28 | trepan | 1. change to c++ compilation |
| 03:39.57 | trepan | 2. make sure that luaopen_<libname>() is exported with C linkage (extern "C" { ... }) |
| 03:40.05 | trepan | so pretty easy |
| 03:40.35 | trepan | would want to provide luasocket, luasqlite, luaposix, lualfs, and some others i guess |
| 03:49.04 | trepan | JeffM: heh, i guess it's probably worth seeing if anyone even learns the language before concerning myself with external library access ;) |
| 03:50.48 | JeffM | yeah that's my thought |
| 03:51.02 | JeffM | we can change how that works a bit after we see how it's used |
| 03:51.27 | JeffM | kinda did that with the API, tweaked it after we saw how people use it |
| 03:51.45 | JeffM | I think bzfs lua will be popular, lots of people want to write plugins but don't want to know C |
| 04:04.00 | blast007 | JeffM: re: the DNS control: I have no idea |
| 04:04.05 | JeffM | k |
| 04:04.41 | JeffM | I'm thinking stattrak.bzflag.org/push/ or something |
| 04:10.13 | Yassen | JeffM: Concerning the linux build errors, I have a feeling that it's not the code, but how it's set up on my machine: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/1492298 |
| 04:10.47 | JeffM | what distro are you on? |
| 04:11.09 | Yassen | Ubuntu 9.04. |
| 04:11.19 | JeffM | did you install the C++ compiler? |
| 04:11.51 | Yassen | I think so, but what package would that be under? |
| 04:11.59 | JeffM | g++ or c++ |
| 04:12.05 | JeffM | it is not installed by default |
| 04:12.12 | Yassen | Yeah, I got that installed. |
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| 04:12.34 | JeffM | you have the C++ std lib too? |
| 04:13.01 | JeffM | I guess you would, seeing as the error is in istream |
| 04:13.30 | JeffM | the first errors are actualy in STL, not bz code |
| 04:14.01 | JeffM | has anything changed on the system since your last linux build? |
| 04:14.20 | Yassen | Marzipan had it working earlier, so I'm pretty sure it's some configuration problem on my end. |
| 04:14.30 | Yassen | I haven't had a successful build yet ;) |
| 04:15.32 | JeffM | usualy you don't have to configure the system too much with ubunut, just get the right packages |
| 04:15.50 | JeffM | sdl dev, g++, curl-dev |
| 04:16.36 | Yassen | The 2.0.13 builds fine, so I think that the packages are okay, unless trunk has something that 2.0 didn't... |
| 04:16.49 | JeffM | it does things differently |
| 04:18.01 | JeffM | my gut says that your configure didn't work right |
| 04:18.19 | JeffM | since I belive builddate is one of the first thigns we do |
| 04:18.29 | JeffM | and you die right after common is included, and that pulls in config.h |
| 04:18.50 | JeffM | you have current versions of autoconf, automake, and libtool? |
| 04:20.09 | Yassen | Probably, I just installed them today. |
| 04:20.40 | JeffM | odd |
| 04:21.37 | JeffM | did you install the unicode versions of any of the libs? |
| 04:21.58 | JeffM | because it's asking for wchar_t |
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| 04:24.18 | Yassen | I installed them all from the package manager and I don't see anything that says the ones I have installed are unicode... |
| 04:25.16 | JeffM | check and see if there is more then one version |
| 04:25.53 | Yassen | Of what packages? |
| 04:26.06 | JeffM | the C++ standard library |
| 04:27.30 | Yassen | What package would that be called? |
| 04:28.38 | JeffM | I do not know off the top of my head |
| 04:28.44 | JeffM | what is the language of the system? |
| 04:28.53 | JeffM | something non-english? |
| 04:29.02 | Yassen | Nope, only english here. |
| 04:29.06 | JeffM | odd |
| 04:30.04 | JeffM | I don't have an ubuntu system to try here |
| 04:30.17 | JeffM | left the netbook at work |
| 04:30.41 | Yassen | I'm guessing the package "libstdc++" would probably be the STL. |
| 04:30.49 | JeffM | that'd be a good guess |
| 04:30.52 | JeffM | is there more then one? |
| 04:31.26 | JeffM | Wyk3d1: you gonna get your SOC eval form done? :) |
| 04:32.15 | Yassen | There's two; libstdc++6 and libstdc++6-4.3-dev |
| 04:32.43 | JeffM | do you have the dev one installed? |
| 04:32.52 | Yassen | Yes, those are the two installed. |
| 04:34.15 | JeffM | dunno then |
| 04:34.33 | JeffM | you do always seem to have the bad luck with building don't you? |
| 04:34.43 | Yassen | Heh, I guess so. |
| 04:38.03 | JeffM | very odd |
| 04:38.20 | Yassen | Are there any files that would help you figure out what went wrong? |
| 04:38.29 | JeffM | not really |
| 04:39.27 | JeffM | is it a 64 bit or 32 bit system? |
| 04:39.57 | Yassen | 32 bit. |
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| 04:44.35 | JeffM | from what I can see of similar errors, it has to do with it finding headers in the usr/include or somewhere else first |
| 04:45.18 | Yassen | So there is no way to compile a plug-in without having to compile the whole bzflag source? |
| 04:45.27 | JeffM | not for 2.0.x |
| 04:45.45 | JeffM | on linux |
| 04:45.48 | JeffM | on windows, sure |
| 04:45.53 | JeffM | just use the export lib |
| 05:51.13 | Yassen | There must be some kind of config option that causes that problem. |
| 05:51.46 | Yassen | I've compared the two buildDate's and there's nothing significant that should cause those. |
| 05:54.51 | Bambino | Yassen: ping |
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| 09:20.24 | dexter- | bzbb admins |
| 09:20.28 | dexter- | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=14418 |
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| 13:55.14 | Manu | hugs brlcad :) |
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| 16:20.47 | brlcad | Manu: :) |
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| 17:15.46 | blast007 | Wyk3d1: please do your midterm evaluation if you haven't already. |
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| 17:22.40 | Wyk3d1 | blast007: doing it |
| 17:31.03 | JeffM | yay, Wyk3d1 will stop the emails I keep getting from google :) |
| 17:32.31 | trepan | google, she be a harsh taskmaster |
| 17:33.29 | JeffM | still needs to get DTRemenak|RDP to do his, but that's easier since I can just go to his desk on monday, and make him doo it |
| 17:33.43 | JeffM | even if that only leaves an hour and a half before the deadline |
| 17:34.21 | jorgenpt | He can just submit it with bogus stuff, then he gets to tuesday to update it |
| 17:34.32 | jorgenpt | Oh, wait, my bad |
| 17:34.45 | JeffM | we'll submit it for him if he can't for some reason |
| 17:34.53 | JeffM | that's the joy of mentoring as a group :) |
| 17:35.13 | JeffM | but I can't see how he would not be able to do it |
| 17:35.20 | JeffM | he'd have to get sick today and not come to work tomorow |
| 17:36.46 | brlcad | the reminders are actually useful, compared to the last day rush previous years |
| 17:36.57 | JeffM | yeah it's a good system this year |
| 17:37.08 | JeffM | I mean a web app with logical controlls.. who'd have thunk it! |
| 17:37.11 | brlcad | unless you actually planned to eval on Sunday/Monday :) |
| 17:38.01 | jorgenpt | brlcad: You could just do a preliminary submittal, and then update it on sunday/monday |
| 17:38.05 | jorgenpt | (though you'd have to remember it yourself ;) |
| 17:38.41 | brlcad | empty preliminary that doesn't get filled in is as useful as one not submitted |
| 17:40.15 | JeffM | brlcad: do we have controll over the .bzflag.org domain? or is that all still Tim? |
| 17:41.43 | brlcad | all tim |
| 17:41.51 | brlcad | oh wait, lemme check |
| 17:41.52 | JeffM | and what server do you want to host the push stats system on? |
| 17:41.53 | brlcad | he had started |
| 17:42.06 | JeffM | it will be a php page, and sql database |
| 17:42.13 | JeffM | but it won't need list server access |
| 17:42.44 | JeffM | would it be better to not put it on .bz for load issues? |
| 17:42.47 | brlcad | yeah, .bz is still marked as a secondary, tim has to do it |
| 17:42.51 | JeffM | ok |
| 17:43.06 | JeffM | well I don't have to make the stats system use a .bzflag.org domain, I can have it do .bz |
| 17:43.06 | brlcad | that's what I've been working on, server migration to the new system |
| 17:43.31 | brlcad | I think we have all the filesystem over and syncing now |
| 17:43.41 | JeffM | well my question is this, do you want to host it? should I host it? or should we see if someone else wants to host it (like blast) |
| 17:43.43 | brlcad | just have to actually start flipping hostnames over to the new IP |
| 17:43.54 | JeffM | ahh |
| 17:44.04 | JeffM | so we could set up a new hostname on the new machine and put it there |
| 17:44.11 | brlcad | yep |
| 17:44.20 | brlcad | I don't think the 'where' matters so much as long as we all still have access |
| 17:44.38 | brlcad | so if it's somewhere else, they should sync accounts or something |
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| 17:45.03 | blast007 | my server is not really set up for shared access yet (/me is linux security noob) |
| 17:45.10 | JeffM | k |
| 17:45.19 | brlcad | everyone on .bz has access to the new box, it just presently has no names (well, it has one) |
| 17:45.31 | JeffM | mine is, but it's probable that I'll be moving to a new host at some point |
| 17:45.43 | JeffM | I just need some place to put this page, and a domain to hook it to :) |
| 17:46.22 | brlcad | I was loving the german host, but then they seriously ticked me off a couple months back |
| 17:46.33 | JeffM | what did they do? |
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| 17:47.31 | brlcad | oh several issues that just escalated out of control |
| 17:48.46 | JeffM | needs to get off his butt and just call volumedrive and sagonet at some point |
| 17:49.06 | JeffM | wonder how much notice you have to give to cancel from sagonet |
| 17:49.07 | brlcad | they tried to claim that I was on an automatic-renewal yearly contract (which I wasn't), said I would have needed to cancel 30 days before my end of contract to cancel it (wtf) .. |
| 17:49.36 | brlcad | I happened to e-mail them 28 days before, not that it should have mattered when anyways, I was monthly |
| 17:50.09 | brlcad | they were just trying to lock me into another year, eventually had to point out their own terms to them |
| 17:50.17 | JeffM | heh |
| 17:51.04 | brlcad | even threatened to use their "no porn" policy just to make a point that I wasn't going to pay for a year for the hell of it, when I'd been a happy customer and was looking to discontinue that server in order to upgrade to something better |
| 17:51.13 | brlcad | but after that, I was pissed and just cancelled |
| 17:51.15 | Bambino | ~bzflist |
| 17:51.40 | JeffM | so upload a titty, get out of contract? |
| 17:51.52 | brlcad | basically |
| 17:51.55 | JeffM | heh |
| 17:52.15 | brlcad | actually it was going to be something like pignuts aimed at their isp policy and our entire discussion |
| 17:53.04 | JeffM | how different is the new server on sago from the old one? |
| 17:54.20 | brlcad | kicks mysql |
| 17:54.54 | brlcad | it's got about 3x the disks iirc, about 40% faster cpus, faster pipe |
| 17:55.17 | JeffM | cool |
| 17:55.26 | Bambino | May I barge in and ask a quick question? |
| 17:55.32 | JeffM | sure |
| 17:55.34 | Bambino | ok |
| 17:55.34 | brlcad | you just did :) |
| 17:55.38 | Bambino | :) |
| 17:55.45 | JeffM | wishes that they had options with more ram :/ |
| 17:56.03 | Bambino | I just tried to join a map, but my auth was being slow, and I didn't even show a - or + |
| 17:56.04 | brlcad | wishes you could give them your own HD disks |
| 17:56.21 | JeffM | Bambino: yeah that can happen |
| 17:56.21 | Bambino | it showed me as an unregistered player |
| 17:56.25 | brlcad | would load it up with a couple TB, avoid this cramped space problem |
| 17:56.29 | Bambino | JeffM: small bug? |
| 17:56.36 | JeffM | the server also was slow and could not see if you were registered or not |
| 17:56.43 | Bambino | ah, ok |
| 17:56.44 | JeffM | Bambino: no it's just the state it goes into when it can't auth |
| 17:56.51 | Bambino | ok |
| 17:56.54 | JeffM | the server does not have a list of all player names |
| 17:56.54 | brlcad | Bambino: i've been looking into it since youre bzflist |
| 17:56.59 | brlcad | somethings not playing nice |
| 17:57.00 | JeffM | it asks the list server |
| 17:57.07 | Bambino | ok, thanks |
| 17:57.11 | JeffM | so if you can't get to it, the game server can't ether |
| 17:57.24 | Bambino | alright |
| 17:57.44 | delusional_ | most server do not require identify |
| 17:57.57 | JeffM | that is true as well |
| 17:59.20 | brlcad | huh, that was weird |
| 17:59.35 | brlcad | ~bzflist |
| 17:59.50 | JeffM | what's better to use tinytext or varchar? |
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| 18:00.27 | brlcad | I'd use varchar for portability |
| 18:01.39 | brlcad | but I believe tinytext's are generally faster |
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| 18:53.46 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20140 10/trunk/web/bzfstats/ (index.php schema/ schema/log.sql): store the data the servers push in a basic transaction log |
| 18:54.20 | blast007 | JeffM: I'm gonna test out the installer |
| 18:54.26 | blast007 | added the runtime to it |
| 19:12.12 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20141 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/lua/ (LuaFloat.cxx Obstacles.cxx): * more clean-up |
| 19:13.09 | Marzipan | i have another question about the topic yesterday i got it build and it should work, just if i type bzflag into the command prompt it starts the old one |
| 19:13.30 | trepan | try ./bzflag in the directory that contains the new exec |
| 19:16.32 | Marzipan | Can't create window. Exiting. |
| 19:16.32 | Marzipan | sry to be annoying again ^^ |
| 19:24.28 | JeffM | blast007: cool |
| 19:24.34 | JeffM | goes to buy a case for the phone |
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| 19:32.43 | blast007 | Marzipan: if you did 'make install', you just need to run 'bzflag' |
| 19:33.02 | blast007 | if you're trying to run from the source directory, just go to the root of your checkout, and do src/bzflag/bzflag |
| 19:40.40 | Marzipan | i did that and got that error in return |
| 19:44.24 | blast007 | was the client built with SDL? |
| 19:44.47 | *** part/#bzflag bryjen (n=bryjen@75.81.208.170) |
| 19:48.12 | Marzipan | SDL ? |
| 19:52.01 | blast007 | yes |
| 19:52.13 | blast007 | configure should have said if it was going to use it or not |
| 19:52.33 | blast007 | run your ./configure again and read the summary at the end |
| 19:52.57 | blast007 | if it's not using SDL, then I would recommend installing the SDL development packages |
| 19:53.20 | blast007 | it's much more tested than the native linux platform code |
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| 20:04.19 | *** join/#bzflag Janis_ (n=Janis@226.241.50.84.dyn.estpak.ee) |
| 20:04.33 | Janis_ | hello, question to the web-designers |
| 20:04.47 | Janis_ | is it possible to change current template on the website? |
| 20:04.52 | trepan | no |
| 20:05.03 | trepan | it's been etched into granite ;) |
| 20:05.03 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20142 10/trunk/bzflag/src/common/StateDatabase.cxx: * all NaNs or no NaNs for the evalFVecX() calls |
| 20:05.30 | Janis_ | so, i have to make a new website with a new template.. i mean that i have to add new template and then just copy-paste the code |
| 20:05.43 | Janis_ | source* |
| 20:06.33 | Janis_ | right? |
| 20:08.16 | blast007 | watches that one whoosh right over Janis_'s head |
| 20:08.30 | blast007 | Janis_: which website are you talking about? |
| 20:08.37 | blast007 | main site? forum? wiki? stats site? |
| 20:08.59 | blast007 | the main site and the stats site are both in SVN |
| 20:09.55 | brlcad | ~.ee |
| 20:09.55 | ibot | [.ee] the TLD (top level domain) of Estonia |
| 20:10.12 | Janis_ | the site is about lambard |
| 20:10.23 | blast007 | what? |
| 20:10.30 | Janis_ | hmm |
| 20:10.36 | brlcad | bets "whoosh" didn't translate either.. *whoosh* |
| 20:10.40 | Janis_ | sorry for bad english.. let me try to explain |
| 20:10.57 | blast007 | if this isn't about any of the bzflag site, then you're talking to the wrong people |
| 20:11.02 | blast007 | sites* |
| 20:11.30 | Janis_ | well just asking if it was possible to change website template |
| 20:11.37 | Janis_ | nothing else was required:) |
| 20:11.41 | Janis_ | sorry for disturbing |
| 20:11.41 | blast007 | that's a completely vague question |
| 20:12.24 | blast007 | we have no way of knowing that answer, since it would depend how the site is set up |
| 20:14.03 | Janis_ | i could give you the link |
| 20:14.16 | Janis_ | so you could have a look |
| 20:21.11 | blast007 | no thx |
| 20:35.48 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r20143 10/trunk/bzflag/package/win32/nsis/BZFlag.nsi: |
| 20:35.48 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: Bundle the Visual C++ 2008 SP1 redistributable with the NSIS installer. |
| 20:35.48 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: Remove references to LuaUser. |
| 20:35.48 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: Update the paths of the misc files. |
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| 20:46.35 | randomparticle | is the sky texture alterable client-side, please? |
| 20:47.33 | randomparticle | looks kind of generated rather than a fixed texture |
| 20:47.49 | trepan | you mean the clouds? |
| 20:47.54 | randomparticle | and yet one of zaphod's maps had a really nice sky |
| 20:47.58 | randomparticle | yeah |
| 20:48.12 | trepan | take that as a hint |
| 20:48.35 | randomparticle | hmm.. clouds.png.. :) |
| 20:48.58 | randomparticle | looks like an alpha channel maybe |
| 20:49.00 | trepan | also note that some servers setup skyboxes and others sky hemispheres |
| 20:49.11 | randomparticle | i see |
| 20:49.12 | trepan | clouds.png: PNG image, 256 x 256, 8-bit gray+alpha, non-interlaced |
| 20:49.30 | randomparticle | could one do something like that client-side? |
| 20:49.34 | randomparticle | the skybox thing? |
| 20:49.47 | trepan | no |
| 20:49.53 | randomparticle | ok |
| 20:49.55 | randomparticle | thanks |
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| 20:51.35 | randomparticle | i've got it really nice looking, it's just the mountain1/2/3.png textures don't meet at the roof |
| 20:52.47 | randomparticle | will check out the skybox thing and look into a client mod. thank you |
| 20:58.22 | Bambino | blast007 or someone |
| 20:58.25 | Bambino | check the bzbb |
| 20:58.38 | Bambino | someone spammed the _whole_ top half |
| 20:59.09 | Allejo | woah |
| 20:59.12 | Allejo | thats not cool |
| 20:59.29 | Bambino | you think? |
| 20:59.36 | Bambino | don't click on the links |
| 20:59.43 | Allejo | yes i think that. or else i wouldnt have said that :P |
| 20:59.45 | Bambino | unless you want to learn something |
| 21:00.01 | Allejo | oof |
| 21:00.06 | Allejo | that sucks |
| 21:00.10 | Bambino | he must go http://my.bzflag.org/bb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=42564 |
| 21:01.35 | blast007 | goes to get his crow bar |
| 21:01.48 | Allejo | hahaha |
| 21:01.49 | Bambino | blast007, you need a MG :) |
| 21:01.56 | Bambino | there's 3 of them |
| 21:02.01 | Allejo | flame thrower would be awesome :P |
| 21:02.04 | blast007 | weee, and it's reaaally slow |
| 21:02.08 | Bambino | I know |
| 21:02.12 | Bambino | it's not just me then.. |
| 21:02.26 | Allejo | and global is down or is it really slow? |
| 21:02.29 | blast007 | auth was down when I was just trying to test 2.99.x |
| 21:02.36 | Allejo | ah |
| 21:02.40 | Allejo | so that explains it |
| 21:02.53 | blast007 | well, really really slow, not down |
| 21:02.56 | blast007 | brlcad: ping |
| 21:03.15 | Bambino | blast007, they're getting back at you for deleting their usernames |
| 21:03.31 | Allejo | hmmm the spamming continues |
| 21:03.34 | Bambino | ooof |
| 21:03.39 | Allejo | more and more posts started appearing |
| 21:03.43 | blast007 | meh, I can't even get to the forum |
| 21:03.45 | Bambino | I just reloaded bzbb to main screen and it's whine |
| 21:03.52 | Allejo | who? |
| 21:03.56 | Bambino | white* |
| 21:04.02 | Allejo | oh |
| 21:04.14 | Allejo | i can load it but it takes for ever |
| 21:04.23 | Bambino | same |
| 21:04.36 | Bambino | thinks it's being flooded..or something |
| 21:04.41 | joevano | yeah, im there but can't pull up the user in the control panel |
| 21:04.49 | Allejo | hmmmm |
| 21:04.58 | Allejo | that doesnt sound good |
| 21:04.59 | Allejo | :| |
| 21:05.08 | Bambino | No, it does not |
| 21:05.09 | blast007 | is always scared to try restarting apache |
| 21:05.14 | joevano | looks like it is our Russian buddies though |
| 21:05.26 | Bambino | joevano: location of one of them is China |
| 21:05.36 | blast007 | Bambino: they lie |
| 21:05.37 | Allejo | may i ask how you would know that bambi? |
| 21:05.40 | Bambino | looks like you didn't ban all of china :D |
| 21:05.49 | Bambino | Allejo: I'm a spy |
| 21:06.02 | Bambino | they filled in the location of the user as "china" |
| 21:06.03 | blast007 | Allejo: the "location" field of their profile :P |
| 21:06.11 | Allejo | uh huh :P |
| 21:06.11 | Allejo | oh right... |
| 21:06.14 | Allejo | xD |
| 21:06.18 | Bambino | Mine says "Canada, eh?" |
| 21:06.28 | Bambino | it's really not hard :P |
| 21:06.36 | blast007 | nice, there's two of them |
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| 21:06.54 | blast007 | joevano: which one are you gonna take out? ;) |
| 21:06.57 | Bambino | blast007, ICQ, website, and a funny name |
| 21:07.02 | Allejo | would the spamming be the reason why the bzbb is so slow? |
| 21:07.04 | joevano | DDE |
| 21:07.26 | blast007 | k |
| 21:07.37 | blast007 | Allejo: no, that's just solar flares |
| 21:07.51 | Allejo | oh |
| 21:08.52 | Bambino | blast, are you taking the YTC guy? |
| 21:10.08 | blast007 | who? |
| 21:10.18 | Bambino | 1st 3 letters are YTc |
| 21:10.34 | joevano | yeah there are 3 or 4 users... DDE is the one currently on |
| 21:10.38 | blast007 | meh |
| 21:10.46 | blast007 | I banned DDabsoneset |
| 21:10.57 | blast007 | deleting now |
| 21:15.59 | Bambino | can't even reload the bzbb |
| 21:16.05 | Bambino | what's going on? |
| 21:16.15 | blast007 | just hold on :P |
| 21:16.28 | Allejo | patience is golden |
| 21:16.39 | blast007 | and so is cheddar cheese |
| 21:16.41 | Bambino | you restart the program thing? |
| 21:16.44 | Allejo | no wait thats silence -.- |
| 21:16.48 | blast007 | program thing? |
| 21:16.59 | Allejo | mysql bambi? |
| 21:17.00 | blast007 | I'm still trying to delete the spammers |
| 21:17.05 | Allejo | is that what you mean? |
| 21:17.09 | Bambino | apache* |
| 21:17.15 | blast007 | no |
| 21:17.20 | Bambino | ah |
| 21:17.46 | blast007 | two down |
| 21:17.52 | blast007 | one (?) to go? ;) |
| 21:17.59 | Allejo | thats fast |
| 21:18.12 | Bambino | phpbb3 made it so, IIRC |
| 21:18.38 | blast007 | yeah, there's a lovely "Delete posts" option when deleting a user :) |
| 21:18.59 | Allejo | hahaha |
| 21:19.13 | blast007 | phpbb2 didn't have that |
| 21:19.59 | blast007 | had to delete each individual post |
| 21:19.59 | Bambino | imagine if you did that to me for a April 1st joke |
| 21:19.59 | Bambino | 650+ posts gone :) |
| 21:19.59 | blast007 | that wouldn't be much of a joke |
| 21:19.59 | blast007 | aha, a 4th one |
| 21:20.14 | Bambino | would have a small chuckle, they run onto #bzflag and complain |
| 21:20.44 | blast007 | hmm, that one doesn't exist |
| 21:20.45 | Bambino | they're registering like flys (doesn't make sense) |
| 21:20.52 | Bambino | joe beat you? |
| 21:20.58 | blast007 | maybe |
| 21:21.03 | blast007 | or it didn't delete the posts |
| 21:21.16 | blast007 | (the forum is on fire!!) |
| 21:21.44 | blast007 | or maybe I got an old view of the index |
| 21:21.48 | blast007 | can't remember when I loaded that |
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| 21:23.15 | blast007 | waits to see if the posts are gone... |
| 21:23.36 | blast007 | any..day..now.. |
| 21:23.54 | Allejo | any..week..now.. * :P |
| 21:24.17 | Allejo | it looks like it blast |
| 21:24.18 | blast007 | nah, the timeout is set to 6 days ;) |
| 21:24.25 | Allejo | hahaha |
| 21:24.29 | blast007 | HUGE SUCCESS!! |
| 21:24.46 | blast007 | still slow as my P133 though |
| 21:24.53 | Allejo | blast: its called: 'Epic Success' |
| 21:25.38 | blast007 | you obviously never played Portal... |
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| 22:00.04 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r20144 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/StartBZFS/ (9 files): Switch from using the 3.5 .NET Framework to using the 2.0 .NET Framework. |
| 22:19.00 | Mets | blast007: do you play Portal (or any of the Source SDK games)? |
| 22:31.46 | blast007 | yes |
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| 23:02.12 | blast007 | JeffM: I updated the installer to include the runtime and set the StartBZFS to use the 2.0 framework |
| 23:02.19 | JeffM | cool |
| 23:02.23 | JeffM | how big is it? |
| 23:02.31 | blast007 | "it"? |
| 23:02.34 | JeffM | the installer |
| 23:02.37 | blast007 | 14MB |
| 23:02.38 | JeffM | with all that stuff |
| 23:02.43 | JeffM | not bad |
| 23:02.48 | blast007 | I didn't include startbzfs or the .NET framework |
| 23:02.53 | JeffM | ahh |
| 23:02.56 | JeffM | ok |
| 23:03.01 | blast007 | the 2.0 .NET installer is 23MB itself.. :) |
| 23:03.14 | JeffM | is there a way to have it download if it is needed? |
| 23:03.38 | blast007 | probably |
| 23:04.15 | blast007 | I suppose we could throw the runtime up on our server, since it's a redist |
| 23:05.18 | blast007 | since I'm not sure how stable (or allowed) a direct link to the file on MS's servers would be |
| 23:05.57 | JeffM | ya |
| 23:06.03 | blast007 | it also needs Windows Installer 3.0 to install it |
| 23:06.25 | blast007 | which I think comes with windows updates |
| 23:06.37 | blast007 | should we assume people are running an up-to-date XP or 2k? |
| 23:06.57 | JeffM | all I really care about supporting with the official installer is XPsp2, Vista, and 7 |
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| 23:07.38 | blast007 | think I still need to fix the start menu issue for vista/7 (where it doesn't remove them on uninstall, since it puts them in the user's start menu instead of all users) |
| 23:08.13 | blast007 | but I have some VMs set up for 2k, XP, and 7 (32 and 64 bit) |
| 23:08.22 | blast007 | the installer I have right now worked on all of them |
| 23:08.26 | JeffM | k |
| 23:08.55 | blast007 | 2k needed some extra help (but it was stuff that would probably be included in Windows Update) |
| 23:09.29 | blast007 | oh, and it needed a newer DirectX ;) only comes with 7.something |
| 23:09.45 | JeffM | yeah we need 8 |
| 23:10.56 | blast007 | figure I'll just mention that 2k is no longer supported, but still provide some info about how to get it running |
| 23:11.12 | JeffM | yeah that's fine |
| 23:11.56 | blast007 | not sure if I have an XP SP2 disk to test on. I used SP3 |
| 23:14.18 | JeffM | tha'ts fine |
| 23:14.26 | JeffM | we'll find out when people try it |
| 23:14.30 | blast007 | ;) |
| 23:16.32 | blast007 | JeffM: I've still been trying to debug that network data order issue |
| 23:16.39 | JeffM | ok |
| 23:16.44 | JeffM | any more luck with it? |
| 23:16.50 | blast007 | not really |
| 23:17.03 | JeffM | should we just have the client buffer the messages untill it gets a playerID? |
| 23:17.10 | blast007 | the server seems like it's processing the queue in the right order |
| 23:17.12 | JeffM | or maybe send that info a lot later? |
| 23:17.46 | blast007 | but then I didn't even receive the motto value when I did a WireShark capture from another machine joining to the server with another client on |
| 23:18.19 | blast007 | I'm just concerned as to why the client is processing it in the wrong order |
| 23:18.50 | blast007 | that stuff is TCP, right? (MsgAddPlayer and MsgPlayerData) |
| 23:19.37 | blast007 | have you seen the weird issues with flags on tanks? |
| 23:19.39 | JeffM | yeah |
| 23:19.57 | blast007 | (where when you rejoin, you don't see the players having a flag, but you see a flag on their tank) |
| 23:20.17 | JeffM | no I have not |
| 23:20.24 | blast007 | I mean, no flag type shows up by their name or in the identify right click |
| 23:20.28 | blast007 | k |
| 23:20.34 | blast007 | have time to hop on a server? |
| 23:20.39 | blast007 | easy to reproduce |
| 23:20.42 | JeffM | let me build |
| 23:20.44 | blast007 | ok |
| 23:21.11 | JeffM | that's all part of the scoreboard message isn't it? |
| 23:21.23 | JeffM | I wonder if there is problem with the buffering on the server |
| 23:22.11 | blast007 | the server seemed like it was processing the queue in the right order, but I'm not really familiar with that code |
| 23:22.56 | blast007 | at least for MsgAddPlayer and MsgPlayerData |
| 23:23.33 | JeffM | wonder if we should add a MsgTest that just takes a size and a value, then see what it does |
| 23:24.11 | JeffM | what server? |
| 23:25.02 | blast007 | the one with a player ;) |
| 23:26.55 | JeffM | it wont' let me play |
| 23:26.57 | blast007 | JeffM: crashing or something? |
| 23:26.59 | blast007 | hmm |
| 23:27.01 | JeffM | even tho I get a valid token |
| 23:27.04 | blast007 | I saw a + by your name |
| 23:27.05 | JeffM | says I don't have perms |
| 23:27.09 | JeffM | let me change my name |
| 23:27.10 | blast007 | o.O |
| 23:29.24 | *** join/#bzflag jcp1 (n=jw@unaffiliated/javawizard2539) |
| 23:33.55 | me1 | theif is deadly in 3.0 |
| 23:35.03 | blast007 | me1: have a recent client? |
| 23:35.09 | me1 | uhm |
| 23:35.14 | me1 | when was last proto break? |
| 23:35.20 | blast007 | days ago |
| 23:35.24 | me1 | prolly |
| 23:35.53 | blast007 | haha, nvm, someone else joined |
| 23:35.56 | blast007 | and yes, thief kills |
| 23:39.09 | TD-Linux | yay it's actually useful now |
| 23:39.41 | TD-Linux | either that or it should have had really long range |
| 23:40.31 | JeffM | hmm player info is the LAST thing we do on enter, and it actualy sends out everyone's info to everyone each time a player joins |
| 23:49.32 | *** part/#bzflag temp_dist (n=pidgin@bzflag/serverop/TemporalDistraction) |
| 23:51.09 | JeffM | looks like we got a few more things to work out, lets plan on trying to get a public beta out on wednesday |
| 23:51.41 | JeffM | perhaps we can get cygal on the thief thing |
| 23:51.53 | TD-Linux | oh it wasn't intentional? |
| 23:52.58 | JeffM | no |
| 23:53.04 | JeffM | I don't think so |
| 23:53.08 | me1 | weeee, crash |
| 23:53.14 | JeffM | what's the point of stealing the flag, AND killing them |
| 23:53.23 | JeffM | you could just kill them, and grab the flag :) |
| 23:53.30 | me1 | _maxFlagDrops 0 |
| 23:53.37 | me1 | but yeah |
| 23:54.03 | Allejo | wait so theif will now kill the player? |
| 23:54.12 | JeffM | it's not suposed to |
| 23:54.13 | JeffM | it's a bug |
| 23:54.16 | Allejo | oh |
| 23:54.32 | me1 | stop that ;d |
| 23:57.36 | JeffM | is there a way to dump the contents of the chatbox out to a file for the client? |