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| 00:21.27 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20051 10/trunk/bzflag/man/bzw.5.in: * noted mesh weapons and mesh face zones |
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| 00:23.34 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20052 10/trunk/bzflag/man/bzw.5.in: * another mesh_weapons / mesh_face_zones comment |
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| 02:15.11 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20054 10/trunk/bzflag/man/bzw.5.in: * added the wiki MapMaking link in the "SEE ALSO" section |
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| 03:39.53 | TD-Linux | mesh weapons? sounds extremely dangerous |
| 03:41.08 | trepan | allows use to use weapons in groups (for the transformations) |
| 03:41.13 | TD-Linux | aah |
| 03:41.22 | TD-Linux | without breaking backwards compatability |
| 03:41.33 | TD-Linux | zoneHeight == zoneWeight? |
| 03:42.08 | trepan | zoneWeight = zoneHeight * faceArea |
| 03:42.40 | trepan | (unless zoneWeight is explicitly specified) |
| 03:43.05 | TD-Linux | what happens with faces that are not parallel to ground? |
| 03:44.18 | trepan | they can't be used as zones |
| 03:44.35 | TD-Linux | OK |
| 03:44.41 | TD-Linux | also really old question: |
| 03:44.49 | trepan | base faces must also be flat tops |
| 03:45.09 | TD-Linux | with drawinfo blocks, in the matref inside a LOD, dlist does just that, correct? |
| 03:45.30 | TD-Linux | makes a drawlist for the vertex/face data outside of the drawinfo? |
| 03:45.39 | trepan | outside? |
| 03:46.07 | TD-Linux | I mean, you don't have to re-specify polygons that have already been created with "face" blocks |
| 03:47.06 | trepan | drawInfos know nothing of mesh faces |
| 03:47.36 | TD-Linux | oh ok |
| 03:47.38 | TD-Linux | vertices only |
| 03:47.53 | trepan | normals and texcoords can also be reused |
| 03:48.34 | TD-Linux | I suppose I could test this, but how are points and lines rendered? like equivalent opengl primitives? |
| 03:49.29 | trepan | no, a software rasterizer is used; with a cobol interpreter + scripts to do the anti-aliasing |
| 03:49.54 | TD-Linux | I guess I meant are they rendered at all, or dropped? |
| 03:49.58 | TD-Linux | and standard line thickness/point? |
| 03:50.09 | TD-Linux | though I suppose actually using them in a map would be stupid |
| 03:51.52 | JefferyM | gl primitives have no thickness |
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| 03:52.20 | trepan | glLineWidth() and glPointSize() |
| 03:52.34 | JefferyM | those are pixel sizes ,not world unit sizes ;) |
| 03:52.49 | trepan | screen space thickness then ;) |
| 03:53.14 | JefferyM | TD-Linux: draw info just tells the engine "draw this too" |
| 03:53.23 | JefferyM | the rest of the game dosn't know anything about that stuff |
| 03:53.25 | trepan | or rather, draw this instead |
| 03:53.33 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 03:53.44 | JefferyM | the collision parts of the game still use the mesh |
| 03:57.10 | TD-Linux | I've been toying with the idea of a blender 2.5 plugin |
| 03:57.18 | TD-Linux | seeing how the other plugin is pretty stale |
| 03:57.40 | TD-Linux | blender 2.5 has a new data manager that would make it less hackish |
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| 07:56.21 | trepan | silly wiki, it's "trepan" |
| 07:57.08 | Manu | :) |
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| 08:33.11 | cygal | oh, hello JefferyM. unusual to see you at this time of the day |
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| 09:31.14 | cygal | salut/hi TutTankAhmon |
| 09:32.42 | TutTankAhmon | salut cygal |
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| 14:42.43 | mrapplecomputer1 | quick question. i have the latest build of 2.99.x and i saw in the sample bzfs.conf that there is a new playing style! -freezeTag? i tried putting it in but either is not working, or i dont get what to do. do i have to define a base in the map? have a certain amount of players? or what? |
| 14:43.07 | blast007 | hmm |
| 14:43.10 | blast007 | let me check that quick |
| 14:43.23 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok thanks. (have i stumped blast?) |
| 14:43.30 | blast007 | no |
| 14:43.32 | mrapplecomputer1 | :D |
| 14:43.32 | blast007 | works for me |
| 14:43.36 | mrapplecomputer1 | really? |
| 14:43.42 | mrapplecomputer1 | i really want to play it |
| 14:44.02 | mrapplecomputer1 | ill try a random generated world |
| 14:44.03 | blast007 | let me try starting a server |
| 14:44.06 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok |
| 14:44.52 | blast007 | try joining bzexcess.com port 5001 |
| 14:45.04 | blast007 | hmm, bet I don't have a recent client build ;) |
| 14:45.15 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok |
| 14:45.17 | mrapplecomputer1 | o ya |
| 14:45.23 | mrapplecomputer1 | let me check |
| 14:45.44 | mrapplecomputer1 | nope |
| 14:46.21 | mrapplecomputer1 | you have BZFS0094 |
| 14:46.45 | mrapplecomputer1 | any ideas? |
| 14:47.40 | mrapplecomputer1 | want me to send you the fully compiled latest version> |
| 14:47.41 | mrapplecomputer1 | ? |
| 14:47.49 | cygal | src/bzflag/HUDuiServerList.cxx:687 src/bzflag/HUDuiScrollList.cxx:189 src/bzflag/HUDuiTabbedControl.cxx:227 <- those seem to be dead code |
| 14:50.48 | mrapplecomputer1 | blast007: can i send you the bzflag.app i have? i have a server i will upload it to |
| 14:52.19 | blast007 | why would I want a .app? |
| 14:52.33 | mrapplecomputer1 | it has the bzflag in it |
| 14:52.38 | mrapplecomputer1 | executable |
| 14:52.44 | blast007 | I don't have a mac, so how would that help? |
| 14:53.02 | mrapplecomputer1 | open package contents, macos, and theres a compiled bzflag |
| 14:53.13 | mrapplecomputer1 | http://tonystechhelp.com/Home_files/BZFlag.zip |
| 14:53.24 | blast007 | I'll repeat... I don't have a mac |
| 14:53.26 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok |
| 14:53.48 | mrapplecomputer1 | but.... cant you run the bzflag executable on any machine? |
| 14:53.49 | blast007 | I'm rebuilding my server and client right now |
| 14:53.51 | blast007 | no |
| 14:53.52 | mrapplecomputer1 | or maybe not.................. |
| 14:53.55 | mrapplecomputer1 | or dumb me then |
| 14:55.11 | blast007 | just waiting for my server to rebuild now |
| 14:55.22 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok |
| 15:00.17 | mrapplecomputer1 | almost done?.......... :) |
| 15:01.34 | blast007 | there's not a progress bar, so I'm not sure :P |
| 15:01.48 | blast007 | 'tis only a 2.53GHz celeron |
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| 15:03.29 | mrapplecomputer1 | oooooo |
| 15:03.42 | mrapplecomputer1 | i probably could have sent the compiled source to you bye now |
| 15:03.58 | blast007 | you have a debian etch linux system? |
| 15:04.11 | blast007 | with the exact same libraries that I have? |
| 15:04.21 | blast007 | if not, then no, you couldn't |
| 15:04.32 | mrapplecomputer1 | no but then you do sumthin like su root -c make install |
| 15:04.46 | blast007 | what are you talking about? |
| 15:04.57 | mrapplecomputer1 | then that installs it to /usr/local |
| 15:05.00 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok but |
| 15:05.06 | mrapplecomputer1 | are you a linux user? |
| 15:05.10 | mrapplecomputer1 | that knows alot? |
| 15:05.35 | blast007 | I'm a linux user, sure |
| 15:05.40 | mrapplecomputer1 | i have a question |
| 15:05.44 | blast007 | mainly a Windows user though |
| 15:05.57 | blast007 | if it's not bzflag related, ask me in a /msg |
| 15:05.59 | mrapplecomputer1 | i want to run a headless linux server. whats best? ubunt, debian, linux, what |
| 15:06.04 | mrapplecomputer1 | o |
| 15:06.05 | mrapplecomputer1 | snap |
| 15:11.24 | spldart | server debian debian.... umm debian and ubuntu Are linux |
| 15:11.32 | spldart | linux linux linux |
| 15:11.43 | spldart | imho |
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| 15:12.23 | spldart | I assumed he's talking a bzflag server 8-X |
| 15:14.29 | TD-Linux | I want to run bzfs on my router |
| 15:14.39 | TD-Linux | also, still can't get these teleporters to work (2.0.10) |
| 15:28.04 | BulletCatcher | mrapplecomputer1: The best operating system to run is one you already have experience with, or one that you can most easily get help with. |
| 15:29.07 | mrapplecomputer1 | BulletCatcher: i am most experienced with mac. to bad i dont have an xserver to run it on :D |
| 15:30.00 | BulletCatcher | If you want to run Linux, the exact distro you choose isn't really important. |
| 15:30.39 | mrapplecomputer1 | i just wanted to know what you might think works best |
| 15:31.40 | Winny | you don't need a XServe to run a server |
| 15:31.51 | Winny | you can run it on anything |
| 15:32.07 | BulletCatcher | The major distros (Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora) differ in relatively minor details. Pick one that your friends can help you with. |
| 15:32.14 | mrapplecomputer1 | you cant run macosx on anything |
| 15:32.27 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok :D thanks bulleytcatcher |
| 15:32.57 | Winny | mrapplecomputer1: sure you can |
| 15:33.24 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok winny tell me how i can run macosx on my dell box |
| 15:33.35 | Winny | it's just not officially supported by apple, and breaks the EULA |
| 15:33.54 | mrapplecomputer1 | yes i know, but i havent gotten it to work. can you tell me how? |
| 15:37.39 | BulletCatcher | cygal: I agree that those switch statements are useless. I see no point in keeping them. |
| 15:38.09 | BulletCatcher | The functions they are in always return false, too. I'm not sure why they return any value at all. |
| 15:39.27 | blast007 | mrapplecomputer1: that's not something you want to discuss here.... |
| 15:39.48 | mrapplecomputer1 | i know thats why i stopped :) |
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| 15:45.45 | mrapplecomputer1 | bye all :) |
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| 16:01.18 | me1 | blast007, bzbb spammer |
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| 16:01.56 | SportChick | tackles Xell_ |
| 16:11.46 | Xell_ | heya SC! |
| 16:12.16 | SportChick | how goes it, Xell_ ? |
| 16:13.20 | Xell_ | good, and you? |
| 16:13.25 | Xell_ | didnt see you in a while |
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| 16:24.45 | SportChick | Xell_: I'm not bad - been busy |
| 16:24.51 | SportChick | don't really play anymore |
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| 17:37.55 | temp_dist | on the Join Game screen - if we changed the order to Callsign - Motto - Password... then the team icon wouldn't interferre with the Motto text http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/687/bzfi0002.png |
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| 18:21.22 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03wyk3d * r20055 10/branches/gsoc_bzauthd/src/ (6 files in 4 dirs): |
| 18:21.22 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: Fixed sending / receiving / searching for the group lists. |
| 18:21.22 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: Fixed the Packet code to treat all variants of signed/unsigned/const char* as strings. |
| 18:21.23 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: Fixed a crash caused by incrementing an erased / invalid iterator in ServerMenu::playingCB. |
| 18:28.53 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03will07c5 * r20056 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fixed crashing on ungroup |
| 18:30.08 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03wyk3d * r20057 10/branches/gsoc_bzauthd/src/bzauthd/ (UserStorage.cxx UserStorage.h): Fixed warnings, added comments. |
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| 18:49.59 | TD-Linux | looks like team icon just needs to be properly scaled |
| 18:52.07 | BulletCatcher | Exchanging the Password and Motto lines is trivial. I was just about to commit it, in fact. |
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| 18:54.06 | BulletCatcher | But I agree that scaling the icon would look even better. |
| 18:59.54 | BulletCatcher | I don't see how the icon gets there, however. |
| 19:00.49 | BulletCatcher | found it. nvm |
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| 19:11.03 | mrapplecomputer1 | hi everyone :D |
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| 19:18.58 | trepan | so before i get cracking on bugs, i'll re-add engine bzfslua (with proper licensing :), unless there are any objections |
| 19:20.50 | TD-Linux | (echo) |
| 19:20.58 | trepan | (ping) |
| 19:21.08 | TD-Linux | (pong) |
| 19:21.19 | MindstormsKid | O_O |
| 19:21.30 | MindstormsKid | Re-add lua???? |
| 19:21.37 | trepan | just the server side stuff |
| 19:21.39 | mrapplecomputer1 | xD |
| 19:22.01 | MindstormsKid | doesn't think there would be any objections |
| 19:22.09 | trepan | i've found bzw embedded plugins to be remarkably useful |
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| 19:22.35 | TD-Linux | trepan, I haven't really seen an example of them |
| 19:22.47 | TD-Linux | but I would say server-side would be far more useful than client-side at this point :) |
| 19:23.10 | TD-Linux | with all these new things being tied to custom bzdb vars |
| 19:23.13 | trepan | you'd be wrong ;) |
| 19:23.58 | trepan | client-side lua stuff made all those additions look pathetic ;) |
| 19:24.12 | TD-Linux | I never actually saw what lua stuff did |
| 19:24.24 | TD-Linux | I thought it was all graphic-related stuff ? |
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| 19:24.40 | trepan | graphics, sound, a little game control |
| 19:25.24 | TD-Linux | how closely was your animation curve thing tied with that? |
| 19:25.27 | trepan | but save for the (shot|tank)BlockVar, the bzdb stuff you mention is all graphical |
| 19:25.39 | trepan | i did animation after the lua was pulled |
| 19:25.55 | trepan | lua could do it's own animation (md5, shader skinning, etc...) |
| 19:26.07 | trepan | s/it's/its/ |
| 19:26.23 | TD-Linux | I suppose it would be quite a bit more flexible... will it see a return someday? |
| 19:26.48 | trepan | i have no plans to put it back into the current bz code |
| 19:28.43 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/parashot.bzw -- embedded lua world generation |
| 19:29.10 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/gmtest.bzw -- primitive embedded event handling |
| 19:30.07 | trepan | looking at the second one, a 'resources / end' block would be good to add some point (post 3.0? :) |
| 19:30.24 | trepan | dummy materials work fine for now |
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| 19:32.02 | trepan | hm, my bad, no event handling in gmtest, just a timer |
| 19:33.05 | mrapplecomputer1 | ummm a little of topic, but I know a couple web designers that might be willing to create that group manahmengt system. |
| 19:33.13 | mrapplecomputer1 | if you want |
| 19:35.36 | mrapplecomputer1 | pm me on forums |
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| 19:55.38 | bryjen | ibot: bzflist |
| 19:56.21 | bryjen | is the list server still having issues? |
| 20:09.27 | BulletCatcher | trepan: I was concerned that Lua in the client would create new opportunities for clever players to gain unfair advantage over others. |
| 20:09.28 | BulletCatcher | Assuming a Lua server plugin would leave things as fair as the server operator wants them to be, then I see no problem with it. |
| 20:10.07 | trepan | BulletCatcher: visibility was fairly well managed |
| 20:10.27 | trepan | local user scripts had no world visibility, not even static obstacle info |
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| 20:11.03 | BulletCatcher | That's good to hear. I never got a chance to look at it closely. |
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| 20:14.50 | BulletCatcher | Regarding the 32-bit teleporter-vs-box bug I have been working on, I don't think it is critical to fix it for the release candidiate because we seem to know how to modify the map to prevent it. |
| 20:17.13 | trepan | i supposed most maps that uses meshes (that would have those add boxes), will have to be touched up anyways |
| 20:17.42 | trepan | have you seen the problem with 32-bits on standard tele/box geometry (aligned top and bottom?) |
| 20:18.15 | BulletCatcher | I have recently seen it *only* on the LaserMania map. |
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| 20:18.46 | blast007 | people on 32-bit linux used to get stuck all the time on louman's metropolis |
| 20:18.54 | trepan | i think LouMan used that setup on a few of his maps |
| 20:19.21 | Bambino | not happening :D |
| 20:19.25 | Bambino | oops |
| 20:19.33 | mrapplecomputer3 | xD |
| 20:21.02 | BulletCatcher | Since we think the tele-on-mesh problem is solved in trunk, removing thin boxes from the maps is the simplest thing to do. |
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| 20:24.50 | mrapplecomputer3 | bye Allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllpllllllllllmkkkllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllklmmllpollllllmllkllllllllllllllllllllllllllopllllllll (that was my car, going up and down with my finger lifted a little above the l key) :P bye |
| 20:25.37 | trepan | BulletCatcher: would be nice to understand/fix it, shouldn't happen ;) |
| 20:25.49 | BulletCatcher | I wonder what it will look like when you crash the car while texting. |
| 20:25.53 | trepan | but then, i haven't been too lucky with my -m32 build |
| 20:26.12 | BulletCatcher | I agree. I want to solve that problem too. |
| 20:27.30 | mrapplecomputer3 | BulletCatcher: I Sam not driving. (stupid iPhone autocorrect) |
| 20:28.13 | mrapplecomputer3 | it's still 3 years till I drive. |
| 20:28.17 | swigg | Don't drink and drill |
| 20:28.20 | blast007 | mrapplecomputer3: we don't care ;) |
| 20:28.23 | mrapplecomputer3 | lol |
| 20:28.44 | mrapplecomputer3 | blast007: ok :) I'll MSG next time |
| 20:29.06 | BulletCatcher | trepan: If you get to where you want to look more closely I can give you the line number range in LocalPlayer.cxx that I have narrowed the problem to. |
| 20:29.44 | mrapplecomputer3 | still laughing at swigg. bye all. |
| 20:29.50 | swigg | :P |
| 20:30.00 | trepan | thanks, i can take a quick look (without compiling for 32-bits) |
| 20:30.04 | mrapplecomputer3 | :) |
| 20:33.24 | phasmophage | How do you load/test the "parashot.bzw" world? |
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| 20:36.06 | SportChick | pokes brlcad to wake him up |
| 20:36.16 | SportChick | ahah, even better, hi JefferyM |
| 20:36.28 | JefferyM | hello |
| 20:36.34 | JefferyM | how are you |
| 20:37.10 | SportChick | good, you? |
| 20:38.05 | BulletCatcher | trepan: The buggy range in src/clientbase/LocalPlayer.cxx starts with the "for" loop at line 501 and ends after the call to tryTeleporting() down around line 718, but you changed tryTeleporting() since the last time I tested. |
| 20:40.17 | phasmophage | What script file is needed for bzfslua.so? Apparently I'm missing it. |
| 20:41.10 | blast007 | phasmophage: lua is no longer in SVN |
| 20:41.16 | blast007 | svn trunk* |
| 20:41.20 | BulletCatcher | Compiling the code in that line range with -O1 instead of -O2 fixes the sealed-in-teleporter bug. |
| 20:41.38 | phasmophage | blast007: So, how do I get it? |
| 20:41.46 | blast007 | phasmophage: why do you need/want it? |
| 20:42.34 | phasmophage | blast007: I was curious to try it out. |
| 20:43.10 | blast007 | lua was removed from the latest code |
| 20:43.14 | blast007 | so it won't really do you any good |
| 20:44.06 | phasmophage | Huh. Ok, then. |
| 20:44.32 | phasmophage | Thanks. Oh, and do you know how I could try server-side bots? Can they hold flags? |
| 20:45.08 | blast007 | check the bzfs API |
| 20:45.23 | phasmophage | Ok. Thanks, blast007. |
| 20:45.36 | blast007 | might even be an example plugin |
| 20:45.39 | JefferyM | they arn't complete yet |
| 20:46.04 | JefferyM | and no they don't pickup flags yet |
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| 20:47.39 | phasmophage | Ok, just wondering. Thanks. |
| 20:48.05 | JefferyM | they don't move or shoot yet ether |
| 20:48.41 | jh` | hi jeff! |
| 20:48.57 | JefferyM | hello |
| 20:50.23 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r20058 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/JoinMenu.cxx: |
| 20:50.23 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: Leave the team icon the same size as the text so it doesn't overlap other lines. |
| 20:50.23 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: Thanks to temp_dist and TD-Linux for the inspiration. |
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| 21:28.17 | delusional_ | trepan, sometimes when a tank shoots while very close to a teleporter, he kills himself. Is there any way to minimalize this? I always chalked it up to lag. |
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| 23:00.10 | trepan | "minimalize" ? |
| 23:00.21 | trepan | delusional_: is that with current 2.99.x ? |
| 23:01.00 | delusional_ | yeah, i noticed it with http://trepan.bzflag.bz/parashot.bzw |
| 23:01.14 | trepan | ah, a special case |
| 23:01.35 | delusional_ | well, i t happens in 2.0.x too |
| 23:04.26 | trepan | i was going to say that the teleportation removes the "first segment" aspect, and that that would be the difference |
| 23:04.43 | trepan | but it looks as though that's only done for Laser paths |
| 23:09.37 | delusional_ | i'm testing my cube teleporter map and can not get it to happen. |
| 23:24.10 | trepan | probably only happens when the destination is very close to the source |
| 23:24.33 | trepan | in parashot.bzw, the source face is the dest face |
| 23:25.09 | delusional_ | hmm, i was wondering how that worked |
| 23:25.29 | trepan | STP vectors |
| 23:26.05 | trepan | save the map, you'll see that src and dst STP are set to the same normals indices |
| 23:27.05 | trepan | you can also do the same thing using some of the link object properties |
| 23:28.30 | delusional_ | u also see how the lua script generates them |
| 23:28.40 | trepan | ? |
| 23:28.41 | delusional_ | err, I do |
| 23:28.52 | trepan | u is cantonese for you? |
| 23:30.20 | delusional_ | my keyboard letter paint has worn off, it sometimes causes problems |
| 23:30.45 | trepan | you know the old saying: one out of three _is_ bad |
| 23:31.26 | delusional_ | two wrongs dont make a right, but three lefts do. |
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