| 00:00.00 | CBG | Shame about L4D2 though... lol. |
| 00:00.18 | bz52 | what's up with that? |
| 00:00.27 | CBG | Exactly. |
| 00:00.35 | bz52 | eh ? :) |
| 00:00.55 | CBG | L4D2 == worst idea anyone at Valve ever had. |
| 00:00.58 | bz52 | i have it on a dvd but haven't put it back on since i reinstalled |
| 00:01.22 | bz52 | what's so bad about shooting zombies? :) |
| 00:01.36 | CBG | Valve make decent games and deliver grat post-release development. DLC ftw. |
| 00:01.38 | JeffM | he means making a new game instead of expanding the existing ones |
| 00:01.53 | JeffM | so don't buy it |
| 00:02.03 | CBG | But now, one year after L4D1, we have to pay for L4D2 which is basically a map pack and some new characters. |
| 00:02.23 | CBG | Maybe I will maybe I won't. I was merely saying it was a shame. |
| 00:02.26 | bz52 | ah, right. didn't even notice the 2 there hehe |
| 00:02.48 | JeffM | you actualy don't know that, since well. the game isn't actualy OUT yet |
| 00:03.21 | CBG | That's all we've seen so far. Sure, if it's more than that, then I'll buy it. If not, I won't. |
| 00:04.05 | CBG | Why they can't treat L4D post-release as they did TF2 I really don't know. |
| 00:04.19 | JeffM | because they didn't want to? |
| 00:04.32 | JeffM | because they want to leave it up to the community to deliver free content? |
| 00:04.55 | JeffM | wonders where that damned tree model is |
| 00:06.42 | CBG | JeffM: I've yet to find one person who thought TF2 could have been handled better post release - that's why I think they should have handled L4D the same. I suppose the reason they didn't is $$$ but we'll have to see how the boycott pans out to see if the gamble paid off or not. |
| 00:07.07 | JeffM | heh,boycot.. I'd like to see that work |
| 00:07.15 | CBG | Let me see... |
| 00:07.34 | CBG | Here we ar: 32k members: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/L4D2boycott |
| 00:07.48 | JeffM | yeah... sure, I belive it when I see it |
| 00:07.55 | JeffM | when it shipps and they DON'T buy |
| 00:07.58 | CBG | Compared to the 52k members in the official L4D group. |
| 00:08.16 | CBG | Well, like I said. We'll have to see if the gamble pays off or not but certainly looks like it might not. |
| 00:08.33 | JeffM | if L4D only sold 52k copies, I doubt they'd do a sequal |
| 00:09.16 | JeffM | I wonder if it did better on PC or console |
| 00:09.21 | CBG | Of course, but likewise, others may be planning to boycott the sequel but haven't joined the group. |
| 00:09.30 | CBG | (like myself). |
| 00:09.45 | SpazzyMcGee | Jeff: the massive oak tree you've used in demo screenshots? |
| 00:09.48 | bz52 | the pc version was top of the games charts for a short while |
| 00:09.55 | bz52 | that's unsual these days |
| 00:09.59 | JeffM | the top of the PC game charts? |
| 00:10.05 | bz52 | normally console titles predominate |
| 00:10.14 | bz52 | no, top of all sales |
| 00:10.23 | JeffM | you sure it wasn't aggrigate of both? |
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| 00:11.43 | bz52 | am looking for the link now |
| 00:12.08 | JeffM | it dossnt really matter, console people are used to rebuying things, they will |
| 00:12.15 | JeffM | and a lot of PC people will |
| 00:12.20 | bz52 | i think it was when they did that weekend offer |
| 00:12.31 | JeffM | I just doubt that any kind of "boycot" will do anything |
| 00:12.38 | JeffM | but hey maybe valve will listen |
| 00:12.42 | bz52 | does sound doubtful |
| 00:12.47 | JeffM | or if they don't and sales suck, they will learn |
| 00:12.52 | bz52 | then again, the spore furore had an effect |
| 00:13.00 | bz52 | that really wounded ea |
| 00:13.00 | JeffM | but it's not like this is the first time a "community has been outraged" |
| 00:13.16 | JeffM | wounded no? |
| 00:13.18 | SpazzyMcGee | Ha, microsoft have resorted to cash prizes to get people to use IE |
| 00:13.27 | JeffM | made them listen about a bad techinal choice, yes |
| 00:13.31 | JeffM | and it was easaly fixed |
| 00:13.40 | JeffM | that's not the same as changing the sales model of a game. |
| 00:14.41 | JeffM | goes back to seeing if the XNA 3.1 xbox compoenent has been updated |
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| 00:44.45 | blast007 | yes, I'll have to say that my Mac Mini didn't crash anywhere near as much as my XP systems. Of course, the first crash I had also was the last time it ever booted, to that's kind of a moot point. ;) |
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| 01:37.53 | CIA-63 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r19940 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (7 files in 3 dirs): |
| 01:37.53 | CIA-63 | BZFlag: Add the Subversion svn:eol-style=native property. |
| 01:37.53 | CIA-63 | BZFlag: Also add svn:mime-type=image/x-xpm to error.xpm. |
| 01:38.08 | BulletCatcher | One last commit before I leave on vacation. |
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| 04:04.57 | CIA-63 | BZFlag: 03Bambino 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5882 10/w/Known_Cheats: /* Subtle Cheats */ edited "flaga" to "flag" |
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| 05:25.58 | Bambino | any mofo.cops? |
| 05:26.10 | JeffM | try the mofo channel |
| 05:26.14 | Bambino | I did |
| 05:26.23 | Bambino | noone is around there |
| 05:26.50 | Bambino | someone "Bambino allows hacks" is spamming "bambino wants people to hack here" |
| 05:27.06 | Bambino | none of which are true |
| 05:27.08 | JeffM | I'm sure they'll see it in the reports |
| 05:27.12 | JeffM | who cares' it's a server |
| 05:27.22 | JeffM | you really thing people belive that stuff? |
| 05:27.52 | Bambino | yes |
| 05:28.01 | Bambino | someone asked if it was true |
| 05:28.05 | JeffM | wow, you must be very young and very gullable |
| 05:28.14 | Bambino | nope |
| 05:28.22 | Bambino | people ask if it's true |
| 05:28.37 | JeffM | then those people are young and gullable |
| 05:28.45 | Bambino | yep |
| 05:28.47 | JeffM | if it was true, would you really spam it? |
| 05:28.55 | Bambino | no... |
| 05:29.00 | JeffM | exactly |
| 05:29.33 | Bambino | sleeps |
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| 07:28.13 | cygal_ | BulletCatcher: I have some questions concerning indentation - DEVINFO does not tell if tabs should be expanded or not, for example |
| 07:31.39 | cygal_ | in fact the real question is: where the indentation does not match the convention, should it be repaired along with the commit? |
| 07:32.04 | cygal_ | should it be repaired at all? or as part of "codestyle" commits? |
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| 12:09.53 | CIA-63 | BZFlag: 03cygal * r19941 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (bzfs.cxx bzfsMessages.cxx): |
| 12:09.54 | CIA-63 | BZFlag: * ID infos are no longer sent to the bot's owner (thanks to Yassen) |
| 12:09.54 | CIA-63 | BZFlag: * indented and refactored correctly the previous patch |
| 12:10.19 | cygal_ | which means that the solo bots won't get the identify infos |
| 12:10.22 | cygal_ | they do not use it anyway |
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| 15:13.13 | CIA-63 | BZFlag: 03cygal * r19942 10/trunk/bzflag/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): route flag messages to bots (drop/grab/transfer) (patch from Yassen) |
| 15:13.22 | cygal | I think there are still some messages left to route to the bots |
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| 15:44.15 | cygal | JefferyM: two other bugs fixed today concerning bots |
| 15:44.33 | cygal | I think that I should check if all messages are routed properly before carrying on |
| 15:45.10 | JefferyM | ok |
| 15:45.47 | JefferyM | should let people know he's going to be grumpy today because his leg is killing him |
| 15:46.46 | cygal | :) |
| 15:50.57 | BulletCatcher | cygal: Changing spaces to tabs as you did in bzfsMessages.cxx is fine. |
| 15:50.59 | BulletCatcher | Whitespace changes are very low priority, but if you are changing a file anyway then feel free to fix the indenting as long as it is easy to do. |
| 15:51.15 | cygal | okay, thanks |
| 15:54.04 | BulletCatcher | Emacs users should find that the indent-region command (probably bound to C-M-\ ) will almost always do the right thing with whitespace. |
| 15:55.20 | BulletCatcher | The one exception to whitespace changes is for files under src/other, where we try to make as few changes as possible to the upstream code. |
| 16:03.39 | JefferyM | VC users should isntall exTabSettings, then they will pick up the whitespace codes at the bottom of the files and be ok |
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| 17:35.45 | Bulldozer | spldart: I usually work in the debug builds; are you able to build those? I was thinking the other day that may be the problem (I didn't update the Release build of the Windows project) |
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| 17:37.05 | Bulldozer | JeffreyM: brlcad, jorgenpt, etc: I'm going to be on vacation, starting today, until next Wednesday |
| 17:37.15 | JefferyM | ok |
| 17:38.16 | Bulldozer | Do you know how the mid-project evals are supposed to work? I know those are coming up in a couple of weeks. |
| 17:38.40 | Bulldozer | It reads like I'm supposed to submit a report of some kind, but I can't seem to find details. |
| 17:39.03 | joevano | well I heard you were nominateted to do them all, seeing as you will have time since you are on vacation ;) |
| 17:39.33 | spldart | Are you asking me about my test builds? In windows and linux I always do debug. Although I rarely try to use gdb etc |
| 17:39.53 | joevano | actually, there will be a form posted on the GSoC site that will have to be filled out for each student |
| 17:40.54 | jorgenpt | Bulldozer: Ey |
| 17:40.56 | joevano | usually the mentor assigned to the student gathers relevant ifo from the other mentors and their experiences |
| 17:41.08 | joevano | and fills it out |
| 17:41.10 | Bulldozer | spldart: Yes, although since you do debug, that's evidently not the issue. Hmm. |
| 17:41.16 | joevano | its not teribly difficult |
| 17:41.47 | Bulldozer | Ok, so there's not something the student is supposed to do? |
| 17:42.45 | joevano | not sure on that side of it, but I don't seem to remember anything at mid-term |
| 17:43.04 | joevano | but that was a year ago so I could be wrong ;) |
| 17:44.04 | Bulldozer | Hmm, guess I'll ask on the GSoC list |
| 17:44.35 | Bulldozer | It reads: "July 6th: Mentors and students can begin submitting mid-term evaluations." |
| 17:44.45 | joevano | well there you go |
| 17:45.18 | joevano | i knew the students had an end of term eval to fill out, but didnt remember one at midterm |
| 17:46.19 | JefferyM | is happy he got the easy mode student |
| 17:51.42 | joevano | sure makes for a more enjoyable experience |
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| 17:53.22 | JefferyM | anyone heard from wyk3d recently? |
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| 17:53.46 | bz088 | bit of bzbb problem |
| 17:53.58 | JefferyM | and this is? |
| 17:54.13 | bz088 | i can't tell whether my pms are sent or not: |
| 17:54.14 | bz088 | http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=15SGjJX89nzvh36WSOUsKAxpmunF11 |
| 17:54.43 | bz088 | in the outbox it shows a (1) but there is a sent date by the message |
| 17:54.50 | bz088 | but the message doesn't appear in the sent box |
| 17:55.06 | JefferyM | that's when you sent it |
| 17:55.11 | bz088 | so is it sent or isn't it? :) |
| 17:55.12 | JefferyM | if it's in the outbox it hasn't been read yet |
| 17:55.22 | JefferyM | when they read it, it goes to sent |
| 17:55.25 | bz088 | what? :) |
| 17:55.32 | bz088 | that's bizarre |
| 17:55.33 | JefferyM | when you send a message |
| 17:55.38 | JefferyM | it stays in the outbox untill read |
| 17:55.45 | JefferyM | well it dosn't go anywhere |
| 17:55.50 | bz088 | that's not how outboxes normally work |
| 17:55.58 | JefferyM | it is NOT email |
| 17:56.04 | JefferyM | it dosn't actualy GO anywhere |
| 17:56.12 | bz088 | yeah, but you use the name "outbox" still :) |
| 17:56.18 | JefferyM | we did not |
| 17:56.20 | JefferyM | phpbb did |
| 17:56.23 | JefferyM | go talk to them |
| 17:56.32 | Janis | heh |
| 17:56.35 | Bulldozer | ~seen wyk3d |
| 17:56.36 | ibot | wyk3d <n=Wyk3d@c7.campus.utcluj.ro> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 6d 3h 38m 23s ago, saying: 'means, exams'. |
| 17:56.56 | bz088 | ok, fair enough. but one would never guess at this behaviour. it's so abnormal |
| 17:57.12 | JefferyM | phpbb has worked this way since it was started |
| 17:57.18 | JefferyM | you are the first to mention it |
| 17:57.30 | bz088 | i'm talkative. not all are :) |
| 17:57.50 | JefferyM | somehow I doubt that years of people all over the world have been silent |
| 17:58.03 | JefferyM | you are more then welcome to submit a patch to phpbb |
| 17:58.17 | bz088 | i don't know anything about php |
| 17:58.20 | JefferyM | if they accept it we'll get it in an update |
| 17:58.22 | JefferyM | so learn |
| 17:58.27 | JefferyM | it's not that hard |
| 17:58.27 | bz088 | not worth it |
| 17:58.29 | JefferyM | I learned it |
| 17:58.36 | JefferyM | but it was worht it to come here and mention it? |
| 17:58.52 | bz088 | so that people who do know about this stuff might fix it |
| 17:59.07 | JefferyM | you assumed it was broken ;) |
| 17:59.12 | JefferyM | well we didnt write it |
| 17:59.14 | bz088 | it is broken |
| 17:59.21 | bz088 | it's called an outbox and it isn't an outbox |
| 17:59.22 | JefferyM | no, you just assume it works like email |
| 17:59.24 | JefferyM | when it's not email |
| 17:59.32 | bz088 | outbox aren't specific to email |
| 17:59.33 | JefferyM | it's in your outbox untill someone gomes and gets it |
| 17:59.40 | JefferyM | the metaphor works |
| 17:59.45 | JefferyM | think of it like a desk |
| 17:59.45 | bz088 | you're just arguing for fun here. you know you are on a hiding to nothing :) |
| 17:59.53 | JefferyM | huh? |
| 18:00.04 | bz088 | stuff in an outbox is meant to go "out". that's why it's called an outbox |
| 18:00.06 | JefferyM | no i"m just saying that you are bassing it on an assumption |
| 18:00.09 | bz088 | not a "readbox" |
| 18:00.18 | JefferyM | it's not a read box |
| 18:00.21 | Janis | bz088 do you have nothing else to do? you got your question answered, why spamming ? |
| 18:00.23 | JefferyM | it' is stuff WAITING to be read |
| 18:00.38 | JefferyM | it sits in your outbox untill the reader takes it form you |
| 18:00.43 | JefferyM | it's just a pull system rather then push |
| 18:00.47 | JefferyM | and you are used to push |
| 18:00.51 | bz088 | in your weird alternative universe, maybe :) |
| 18:01.01 | bz088 | ok. am done here. cu |
| 18:01.02 | JefferyM | oh of course, you are always right, my bad |
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| 18:07.46 | JefferyM | why do people refuse to see other points of view? |
| 18:07.56 | JefferyM | or to even accept that people have them |
| 18:12.12 | Janis | ask it next time u see him:) |
| 18:12.24 | JefferyM | how? I don't even know who that was |
| 18:13.39 | Janis | can't you check that? |
| 18:13.43 | Janis | isn't here iplog? |
| 18:13.45 | JefferyM | check what? |
| 18:13.58 | JefferyM | and how do I match his IP to a real player? |
| 18:14.01 | JefferyM | and why should I have to? |
| 18:15.51 | Janis | you can see which what nickname has this ip allready signed in |
| 18:16.01 | JefferyM | I can .. where? |
| 18:16.10 | JefferyM | do you think we keep a list of IPs with players? |
| 18:16.16 | Janis | if there is iplog, there should be also namelog:) |
| 18:16.27 | JefferyM | where do you assume this exists? |
| 18:16.39 | Janis | doesn't it exist?! |
| 18:16.45 | JefferyM | no |
| 18:16.54 | JefferyM | other then the web logs for the list server |
| 18:17.04 | JefferyM | and I'd have to dig though that |
| 18:17.11 | JefferyM | and assume that they were the same person |
| 18:17.16 | JefferyM | we don't track players like that |
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| 18:18.51 | bz54 | ~bzfquery 67.247.162.233:5154 |
| 18:19.14 | me1 | I believe that was snick |
| 18:20.09 | Janis | heh |
| 18:20.35 | JefferyM | what at ool |
| 18:20.38 | JefferyM | tool |
| 18:22.22 | me1 | what is "set startcode bfaaaaabaaaaa" in the config do? |
| 18:22.26 | me1 | s/is/does/ |
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| 18:25.16 | WarPig | Trying to build the adminListener plugin. I have the source and bzfsAPI.h. Getting lots of 'XXXX was not declared in this scope.' messages. What am I doing wrong? |
| 18:25.32 | Chestal | me1: it is some encoding of the settings in the 'start server' menu |
| 18:25.49 | JefferyM | WarPig, it may not be you |
| 18:25.58 | JefferyM | can you show us an example, since we can't read your mind. |
| 18:26.07 | WarPig | That would be a refreshing change. |
| 18:26.25 | JefferyM | is it one of our standard plugins, or a thrid party? |
| 18:27.19 | WarPig | One Constitution wrote, fomr the bzbb |
| 18:27.25 | JefferyM | so a third party |
| 18:27.28 | WarPig | s/fomr/from/ |
| 18:27.40 | JefferyM | what OS are you building it on? |
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| 18:28.56 | WarPig | Linux |
| 18:28.57 | Constitution | WarPig: you need to make sure the bzfsAPI.h is included |
| 18:29.18 | WarPig | It appears to be. Its in the same directory as the sourcefile. |
| 18:29.23 | JefferyM | yeah it dosn't have a makefile so you have to set it up right |
| 18:29.29 | JefferyM | how are you compiling it? |
| 18:29.57 | WarPig | http://pastebin.com/df36f6e5 |
| 18:30.32 | Constitution | for one, you need -shared, so it builds it as a dynamic library |
| 18:30.44 | JefferyM | what version of the header do you have? |
| 18:30.57 | Constitution | for two, you need -I /path/to/directory, which should be the directory containing your bzfsAPI.h |
| 18:31.05 | JefferyM | even if it's ./ |
| 18:31.43 | Constitution | is that a question or a statement? |
| 18:31.51 | JefferyM | a statement |
| 18:31.56 | Constitution | ok :) |
| 18:32.02 | JefferyM | I'd have put ? after it |
| 18:32.13 | JefferyM | I may not spell right, but I do get my puncuation good ;) |
| 18:32.37 | WarPig | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.40 | WarPig | ? |
| 18:33.37 | Constitution | it looked like a statement, but I would have thought it was an incorrect one ;) |
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| 18:33.51 | Constitution | but then I could be wrong too |
| 18:34.15 | Constitution | WarPig: if your bzfsAPI.h is in /root/wrk, that should do it |
| 18:34.17 | WarPig | The version of the .h file is the latest on the SVN |
| 18:34.28 | Constitution | trunk or branch? |
| 18:34.32 | WarPig | trunk |
| 18:35.03 | WarPig | I get the same output using that command line |
| 18:35.04 | Constitution | then that is your other problem... the plugin was created for branch |
| 18:35.09 | WarPig | kk |
| 18:35.27 | Constitution | you could probably convert it without too much difficulty |
| 18:36.25 | WarPig | I can get the API header from branch and compile OK? |
| 18:36.35 | WarPig | theoretically? |
| 18:39.43 | Constitution | yes |
| 18:39.53 | Constitution | but it will not load into a trunk bzfs |
| 18:40.51 | WarPig | OK - so I need the branch bzfs too. |
| 18:41.19 | Constitution | what are you trying to do? |
| 18:41.43 | Constitution | you shouldn't pick a server version based on what a plugin is coded for |
| 18:42.07 | Constitution | if you're trying to build a server for hosting then you want a branch bzfs anyway |
| 18:42.29 | WarPig | Allejo asked if someone could compile your plugin for him. I (stupidly) volunteered. |
| 18:43.45 | Constitution | on linux you should generally compile on the system it's going to run on |
| 18:44.12 | Constitution | but if that's what you want to do, ok |
| 18:45.00 | WarPig | Thanks. Gets me off the hook. I'll let him know. |
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| 18:52.57 | Constitution | does the LGPL disallow statically linking but allow dynamically linking to closed-source libraries? |
| 18:53.24 | Constitution | I think some people in the GU forum are confused |
| 18:54.33 | Bulldozer | Both |
| 18:55.20 | Bulldozer | LGPL allows you to link an open-source library either statically or dynamically |
| 18:56.18 | Constitution | what about closed-source? |
| 18:56.41 | Bulldozer | You can do whatever you want with closed source |
| 18:57.23 | Constitution | I'm talking about LGPL code being statically linked to closed-source code |
| 18:57.34 | Bulldozer | Yes, that's fine |
| 18:57.56 | joevano | that is what the LGPL gives you vs GPL |
| 18:58.29 | Bulldozer | The limitation of LGPL is that you cannot redistribute the source in any form other than LGPL |
| 18:59.27 | Bulldozer | But you can do whatever you want with the binary |
| 18:59.28 | Constitution | ok, so foo is confused |
| 18:59.28 | Bulldozer | You also have to provide the source to any modifications you make to the library |
| 18:59.35 | joevano | Constitution: it is confusing |
| 18:59.39 | Bulldozer | If you modify it and then distribute some binary that links to the modified library |
| 18:59.50 | Bulldozer | Yeah, it's very confusing |
| 19:00.05 | Bulldozer | Looks for a comparision summary chart; it usually helps |
| 19:00.20 | Bulldozer | Something like this: http://developer.kde.org/documentation/licensing/licenses_summary.html |
| 19:00.34 | Constitution | so you could distribute a binary that was statically linked to a closed-source library, as long as you release the source code for the LGPL code that you modified? |
| 19:00.50 | Bulldozer | Exactly. |
| 19:00.56 | joevano | and after this lets get into a conversation on capatability between the different licenses ;) |
| 19:01.08 | joevano | compatability* |
| 19:01.30 | joevano | no you want to talk confusing... |
| 19:02.42 | Bulldozer | There is also this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_free_software_licenses |
| 19:07.12 | Bulldozer | To make things further complex, I believe that anyone may freely create a GPL licensed fork of a LGPL project, however, not vis-a-vis. |
| 19:07.22 | ruskie | yup |
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| 19:08.22 | blkdg | hello, is there a way to eliminate the stats that are in the middle of the screen? |
| 19:08.39 | me1 | press 's' |
| 19:08.55 | me1 | you can also press 'w' to remove the chat box |
| 19:09.17 | me1 | And if you want too, press 'q' to remove the radar |
| 19:09.24 | blkdg | thank you! i didn't see that on the remap keys screen |
| 19:10.37 | blkdg | the radar i think i'll keep. |
| 19:10.47 | blkdg | thanks again |
| 19:10.56 | me1 | no problem, always happy to help |
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| 19:23.20 | Constitution | Bulldozer: ping |
| 19:27.07 | Constitution | there: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=103&t=14053&p=138940#p138940 |
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| 19:52.17 | blast007 | JefferyM: I don't think exTabSettings works for VC 2008 EE, at least last I tried |
| 19:52.31 | CIA-63 | BZFlag: 03will07c5 * r19945 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (15 files in 11 dirs): added info object and configuration dialog for it |
| 19:53.24 | JefferyM | blast007, then we should get dtr to fix it :) |
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| 20:00.20 | blast007 | I don't know of EE supports add-ons |
| 20:00.24 | blast007 | if* |
| 20:02.31 | JefferyM | ahh |
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| 20:54.43 | Janis | global down? |
| 20:55.08 | Janis | oh nvm |
| 20:55.10 | jh` | why is global down so often |
| 20:55.16 | JefferyM | it dosnt' go down |
| 20:55.20 | JefferyM | SQL gets overloaded |
| 20:55.24 | JefferyM | and it gets slow |
| 20:55.33 | blast007 | or botnets hit apache |
| 20:55.38 | JefferyM | there are lots of reasons but the main one is that SQL gets hit a lot |
| 20:55.39 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 20:55.55 | blast007 | iirc, there's a script that "shakes them off" after a couple minutes |
| 20:55.57 | JefferyM | ether apacche or sql gets hammerd and it takes it a bit to recover |
| 20:56.21 | JefferyM | it used to be set a lot stricter but it screwed up too many legit users |
| 20:56.34 | jh` | so how to make it more ...strong? |
| 20:56.42 | JefferyM | finish the ldap proejct |
| 20:56.47 | blast007 | and if you want to know more about why the list server sucks, go look at the code ;) |
| 20:56.50 | JefferyM | that's what wyk3d is dpoing |
| 20:57.10 | JefferyM | the current system, is just not very robust, it's just a php page |
| 20:57.18 | JefferyM | and it dosn't make very smart quries |
| 20:57.28 | blast007 | s/php/poorly coded php/ |
| 20:57.33 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 20:57.48 | JefferyM | we could make the php better, but there is a limit to what we can do |
| 20:57.54 | jh` | i code php for worj |
| 20:57.55 | jh` | worj |
| 20:57.56 | JefferyM | ldap solves the problem and adds a lot more features |
| 20:58.06 | JefferyM | like where we actualy get a distributed system |
| 20:58.12 | jh` | work that is |
| 20:58.15 | JefferyM | that has more then a single point of failure |
| 20:59.31 | jh` | ldap=? |
| 20:59.41 | blast007 | google it :P |
| 20:59.41 | JefferyM | ldap = ldap |
| 20:59.51 | JefferyM | it is a authentication and directory system |
| 21:00.27 | JefferyM | lightweight directory access protocol |
| 21:01.04 | JefferyM | a number of web apps and systems offer ldap authentication |
| 21:01.18 | JefferyM | and it can be spread out over multiple servers |
| 21:01.37 | JefferyM | think of it like active directory on windows. |
| 21:02.59 | jh` | whatever, just global is pretty weak |
| 21:03.04 | JefferyM | yeah we know |
| 21:03.13 | JefferyM | we've known for YEARS ;) |
| 21:03.36 | Janis | and you have changed nothing in those YEARS :-P |
| 21:03.37 | JefferyM | the origonal author of it did not design a very roubst system for it. |
| 21:03.46 | JefferyM | Janis, sure we just sit on our butts here |
| 21:03.47 | JefferyM | you know |
| 21:03.51 | Janis | during those* |
| 21:04.00 | Janis | just kidding jeffery:) |
| 21:04.17 | JefferyM | a lot of time was spend researching what to do |
| 21:04.28 | JefferyM | last year a student was paid as part of SOC to start the ldap system |
| 21:04.36 | JefferyM | he is being paid this year to finish it off. |
| 21:05.51 | jh` | i know from experience its hard to to do big things fast |
| 21:06.03 | JefferyM | specialy when noone is paid |
| 21:06.12 | jh` | yep |
| 21:06.46 | jh` | :) |
| 21:08.05 | jh` | but you choose to do it as a hobby |
| 21:11.20 | jh` | or what ? |
| 21:16.27 | jh` | i never could have coding as a hobby for it is my work, i rather dont think work when im free |
| 21:16.37 | jh` | it used to be my hobby |
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| 21:22.14 | jh` | what does that mean? |
| 21:22.54 | WarPig | ldap is the *right* way to do the auth, imho. |
| 21:23.31 | Bambino | jh`: he edited part of te wiki and it sends a report to here saying who/what IP edited the wiki. IIRC |
| 21:24.09 | jh` | .) |
| 21:24.28 | jh` | i se |
| 21:24.30 | jh` | e |
| 21:26.42 | jh` | so firingsquad edited? |
| 21:26.48 | JefferyM | yep |
| 21:27.09 | JefferyM | helps us see when people spam the wiki |
| 21:27.21 | JefferyM | and tracks it in the commit RSS feed |
| 21:27.32 | jh` | i dont like you jeff |
| 21:27.37 | Bambino | lol |
| 21:27.44 | JefferyM | I beg your pardon? |
| 21:27.48 | Bambino | Run! |
| 21:28.04 | JefferyM | that isn't really appropriate for the channel |
| 21:28.14 | JefferyM | you can hate me for all I care, but this isn't the place for it. |
| 21:29.29 | jh` | thats what i dont get |
| 21:30.02 | jh` | let people be free |
| 21:31.16 | JefferyM | people are free |
| 21:31.20 | JefferyM | they can do what they want |
| 21:31.22 | JefferyM | with there own lives |
| 21:31.37 | JefferyM | they just' dont own all things ;) |
| 21:32.20 | blast007 | freedom doesn't mean there isn't rules/laws :P |
| 21:33.06 | blast007 | that would be "anarchy", not "freedom" |
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| 21:33.37 | temp_work | freedom is more free in Finland |
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| 21:58.15 | cygal | bedtime, good night. |
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