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04:13.57Thumper_and that's why we have wiki update notifications
04:14.07Thumper_~brlcad++
04:36.44blast007joevano: Is it possible to do range bans on mediawiki?
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06:07.59AAA_awrightWhat if the bzfs authentication system was modularized out, the + and - were removed, and replaced with whatever method of authenticationw as used, like 'BZBB'. You could have other authentication methods too, 'LOCAL' (/identify?) or 'ROOT' (with /password)
06:15.59blast007What if bzfs could cure world hunger?
06:16.18blast007what problem would you be solving?
06:19.48AAA_awrightblast007: Make the authentication system a bit more intuitive. Right now anonymous users, if they take a registered name, get a -, and sometimes kicked off.
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06:28.16AAA_awrightI'll take that to mean "patches welcome" ;)
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07:28.23a_meteoriteblast007: ping... those undos I did were vandals (IP 208.184.6.27)
07:28.28a_meteoriteor any other wiki admin
07:30.29blast007it's Hairy
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07:58.45Bambinocollr
07:58.49Bambinoerg
08:03.48PimpiBambino: ducati spawn works?
08:07.28BambinoPimpi: haven't been on an offi yet, I am in the group though
08:07.32Bambinothanks :)
08:11.27Manuguten morgen Pimpi :)
08:11.43Pimpibuenos dias Manu!
08:31.09AAA_awrightI killed myself with a GM... I didn't even know that was possible
08:36.23blast007AAA_awright: cheater!!
08:36.26blast007;)
08:36.41blast007possible, for sure
08:36.52AAA_awright*gasp* Oh no! The last person I would have ever suspected... no! *cries*
08:36.59blast007that's the main reason the GM activation delay was added
08:37.57AAA_awrightDoes the server handle MsgGMUpdate (or whatever) in trunk now?
08:38.14blast007no idea
08:39.37Pimpisigh, now i understand why GMs never kill on short distace
08:40.08AAA_awrightIt is a useful strategy, especially with ST
08:40.31ManuPimpi: heh, really? :)
08:40.38Bambinoand when noobs try to tk you with GM from an inch away
08:41.05Manublast007: that was a dirty hack :)
08:41.38PimpiManu: what really? gms don't kill, or that i didn't understand earlier? ;)
08:41.50ManuPimpi: the second :)
08:41.53Bambinofrom close range :P
08:42.09ManuPimpi: I call that period of time.. arm time ;)  (for the gam)
08:42.11Manugm*
08:42.25Bambinosleeps
08:42.31Pimpii killed myself several times with GM on island hopping
08:42.41Manu~sleep Bambino
08:42.41ibotACTION sends Bambino to bed without supper
08:42.48Bambinoouch
08:42.57Bambinothat hurts ::P
08:43.00Bambino:P*
08:43.17Bambino~bzfrag Manu
08:43.17ibotACTION skewers Manu with a super bullet
08:43.19ManuPimpi: GMs arent for kids ;)
08:43.27Manudodges it
08:43.51Pimpi<PROTECTED>
08:43.54Bambinoaims a Guided Geno at Manu
08:44.06Manudodges it *again*
08:44.12Pimpistop it he's on my team!
08:44.16Bambinosigh
08:44.16Manu~blast Bambino
08:44.17ibotACTION pulls her blaster and uses Bambino for target practice
08:44.37Bambinoheh
08:44.57Bambinoibot is a she?
08:45.08Pimpi~gender
08:45.09ibotI'm lesbian
08:45.16Pimpi~literal gender
08:45.16ibot"gender" is "<reply> I'm (gay|lesbian|female|sexless|male|hermaphroditic|pregnant|not sure)"
08:45.17Bambinolol
08:45.17Manulol
08:45.35Bambino~gender
08:45.36ibotI'm not sure
08:45.47Pimpibreakfast
08:45.56Bambinobed :P
08:46.22ManuPimpi: about killing yourself with GM may be a bad server configuration
08:46.32ManuI haven't seen it in ages
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09:31.36PimpiManu: has been ages ago ;)
09:32.02Pimpiwhen island hopping was new
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11:30.04tsManu: It's not necessarily a bad configuration, less likely to kill yourself with GM also means you will also loose the ability to kill near targets.
11:46.27Manuts: well you can consider it a feature too
11:47.11tsHeh
11:47.41tsI'm still not sure how the lag is able to affect it
11:47.53ManuI still remember when you moved back, fired gm and then moved ahead.. you were dead ;)
11:48.22tsUsually I would expect the local shot not to kill the own tank due to lag
11:48.42ManuI guess lag isn't the problem, it's your client, your gm...
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11:48.52tsManu: No, it is worse, it can kill even while you fire at full speed forward and then keeping forward speed.
11:49.14Manuyes I know
11:49.25tsManu: I did not expect, either but real world tests did disagree
11:50.11Manuwell, the problem is in the gm and how it works
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11:51.48tsIt seems like not adding the local speed to the shot is only a contributing factor.
11:52.04Manuyes
11:52.25Manuyour own bullets don't kill you, except the gm
11:53.09tsI wonder if the own bullets would kill in case they would have the same speed as gm has
11:54.00Manuprobably yes
11:59.11Manuts: IIRC there was another problem with your bullets too, that's why the start position of your bullets is a bit ahead ;)
11:59.31Manuto avoid killing yourself :)
12:01.56Pimpiwell, on island hopping the additional problem is that you're faster than GM when using jumpers to hop from one island to another
12:02.16ManuPimpi: then it's a feature ;)
12:02.48Pimpiso you overhaul your missile
12:03.13Pimpiit also resulted in frequent end shot kicks
12:06.21tshehe
12:07.31ManuPimpi: endshot has nothing to do with this.. probably it's wrongly configured
12:22.09PimpiManu: yes, it was clearly unexpected behavior, but it happened
12:26.49joevanoblast007:  yes it appears that you can http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Range_blocks
12:34.19CIA-60BZFlag: 03wyk3d * r19884 10/branches/gsoc_bzauthd/ (15 files in 5 dirs): Fixed bzauthd build on linux.
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14:52.13tsbzbb admins: Please take a look at http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=14162
15:17.38brlcadWyk3d: you add the checks I mentioned, one for a header, another for lib linkage, another for lib functionality -- if it works, you're good to go
15:18.29brlcadyou provide an --with-libwhatever=/path/to/base option to modify cppflags/ldflags
15:19.32Constitutionts: really necessary to post that to the irc channel?
15:23.48Wyk3dbrlcad: the gcrypt/gpg-error already had a --with option, and i added it to openldap too, the checks are a bit naive so far, it's on the TODO ..
15:24.37tsConstitution: On the one hand yes but on the other hand, there are more kids reading the board, I think.
15:25.50brlcadtrepan: if the removal really was because of style, then that's really just disappointing and immature.  I thought much better of you.
15:28.16Constitutionts: maybe ping an admin and link in PM? this channel is supposed to be kid-friendly too
15:30.59brlcadWyk3d: the with option is only one piece, it then (independently) needs to have the three checks
15:31.19brlcadthat's really for any lib/option
15:32.24brlcadif it has a *-config script/binary, that sort of becomes an alternate to the --with option, but the three checks are still desirable to have independently to make sure things will actualy work
15:32.53tsConstitution: I did so yesterday because I saw one online. Haven't seen one active before I posted. :S
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15:42.54BulletCatcherThere is a "report this post" link for each BZBB article (exclamation mark in an inverted triangle).
15:42.56BulletCatcherIf you use that, optionally followed by an admin ping here in the channel, it ought to be sufficient notice of inappropriate postings.
15:44.12brlcadyeah, those get put into a work queue that is easy to work through
15:45.09tsThey don't read those before they visit the forum, though
15:45.54tsOk, I'll report the posts with that button next time, then pinging here.
15:48.27BulletCatcherThe clock on the BZBB server seems to be about 5 minutes fast.
15:51.12ts6 minutes..I see it in irssi
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15:53.54BulletCatcherIt is quite easy to configure an NTP server, which will usually keep the clock accurate to within a few milliseconds.
15:59.16brlcadactually one is supposed to be running, hm
16:00.02brlcadyeah, one is running
16:00.19BulletCatcherDoes "ntpq -p" show that it is synchronized?
16:09.48brlcadyeaha
16:11.40BulletCatcherDoes the "date" command show that the system time is set correctly?  (This requires that you have an independent time source.)
16:12.55BulletCatcherNTP doesn't necessarily work correctly in virtual guests, if that is relevant.
16:17.57brlcadfound the problem, the server it was syncing against is apparently no longer an ntp time source
16:18.39brlcadfor whatever reason, ntpd just kept talking to it, getting no response and thinking all was fine
16:18.56BulletCatcherThat'll do it.
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17:56.29CIA-60BZFlag: 03wyk3d * r19885 10/branches/gsoc_bzauthd/ (13 files in 3 dirs):
17:56.29CIA-60BZFlag: Updated file paths in the VC projects.
17:56.29CIA-60BZFlag: Added some missing svn:eol-style properties.
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20:19.59mrapplecomputer1Does anyone here know how to add the option so you can /restart while runnning a bzflag server?
20:20.32JeffMslash commands usualy don't have options
20:20.44JeffMthey are tied to permisions
20:22.24JeffM/restart isn't even a real command is it?
20:22.34JeffMdo you mean /reset?
20:26.14mrapplecomputer1no
20:26.23mrapplecomputer1on some servers
20:26.28mrapplecomputer1while your playing
20:26.31mrapplecomputer1if you type /?
20:26.45mrapplecomputer1you'll see an option for /restart which restarts the server
20:26.58Bambino<PROTECTED>
20:27.01mrapplecomputer1no
20:27.06mrapplecomputer1it actually restarts it
20:27.16Bambinonever heard of that
20:27.34mrapplecomputer1its rare
20:27.50mrapplecomputer1but ive seen it a few times
20:27.52mrapplecomputer1o well
20:28.05mrapplecomputer1if you find it leave me a message on the forums. thx ;)
20:28.27Pimpihmm, restart?
20:29.22JeffMmrapplecomputer1, that's not what we do
20:29.30JeffMit's not a standard command acording to the wiki
20:29.34JeffMit's probalby a custom command
20:29.49JeffMyou'd have seen that if you had read the command list
20:29.58JeffMor have you not ported wikipedia to your iphone yet? ;)
20:30.10Bambinolol...
20:30.31Pimpii allow /superkill on 1vs1 servers to reset the server if the map is crappy
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21:06.02mrapplecomputer1sorry guys, and yess i did get wikipedia on my phone :P
21:06.45mrapplecomputer1after much work, i figured out that if you go to: http://mobile.wikipedia.org/ you to, can get it on your phone
21:09.20JeffMyou can get it on your phone normaly too ;)
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23:34.55SpazzyMcGeeAt the 3.0 switchover, will maps with the old style dyncols 'break'?
23:36.31BulletCatcherYes.
23:37.52BulletCatcherHopefully, by then we will have clear instructions on how to get the same effect with the new bzw syntax.
23:39.55SpazzyMcGeeThe new ones are great - we have the Planet MoFo billboards crossfading :)
23:48.27BulletCatcherAh.  Glad there is some benefit to the change, then.
23:49.27JeffMcan we make a tool or script to convert them automagically?
23:50.34BulletCatcherI don't even understand the changes well enough to do it manually.
23:50.43JeffMheh
23:52.32BulletCatcherThere are other map incompatibilites from 2.0 to 3.0, such as the loss of the -a switch.
23:52.33BulletCatcherWe'll need to document carefully unless we are willing to add some sort of backward compatibility.
23:52.50JeffM-a usualy isn't part of the map
23:53.07blast007JeffM: could be, if it's in the options block ;)
23:53.15JeffMI know
23:53.20JeffMnotice I said "usualy"
23:53.51blast007eyes are messed up from playing a game all day
23:53.55blast007so no, I didn't
23:54.00JeffMheh
23:55.06spldartheh
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