| 00:02.56 | Wyk3d1 | say you get the name of a group from a different server .. but you don't have permissions to add/remove any users in that group |
| 00:03.58 | Wyk3d1 | might be a privacy issue i suppose .. you may have groups you don't want other people to know you are part of |
| 00:06.46 | Wyk3d1 | in terms of efficiency, mysql could handle this better |
| 00:08.09 | Wyk3d1 | you pass the list of groups to checks as "where group in {...}" and if the group name is the index of a table, it can do it more efficiently than having to return all, and then the daemon intersects the lists |
| 00:10.14 | Wyk3d1 | though it's hard to bet the actual numbers without testing that |
| 00:10.25 | Wyk3d1 | *bet on |
| 00:11.14 | Wyk3d1 | some other operation could be the real bottleneck |
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| 00:59.57 | me1 | bzbb admins? http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=14152&view=unread#unread |
| 01:02.35 | me1 | ~bzflist |
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| 01:04.39 | rabidweezle | `ask |
| 01:04.45 | rabidweezle | ~ask |
| 01:04.45 | ibot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
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| 01:13.17 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03will07c5 * r19867 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (15 files in 6 dirs): |
| 01:13.17 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: * cone and meshpyr now support separate matrefs for each side |
| 01:13.17 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: * fixed some of the #include insanity |
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| 03:29.19 | Flash | anyone up for some 2.99 testing? |
| 03:30.03 | delusional_ | in the middle of building right now |
| 03:30.30 | Flash | so in 3 minutes then? ;-) |
| 03:31.19 | Flash | I see we still have that font issue that causes Mac clients to take forever to GL context switch |
| 03:31.58 | spldart | "If it wasn't for ccache eyed joe, I'd been done along time ago" |
| 03:32.48 | delusional_ | what should i watch for, exactly? |
| 03:33.15 | Flash | me? I have no idea. I just haven't run trunk in a couple of months |
| 03:33.54 | spldart | Watch out for the underpants gnomes |
| 03:34.23 | Flash | ok then... |
| 03:34.45 | spldart | no... now |
| 03:35.15 | spldart | hrm... |
| 03:35.22 | spldart | checks his last build |
| 03:35.30 | Flash | thinks spldart has had enough of the scotch |
| 03:36.06 | spldart | nope |
| 03:36.09 | spldart | no drinking |
| 03:36.24 | spldart | I was diggin up the back yard.. heat and exhaustion |
| 03:36.27 | spldart | I |
| 03:36.29 | spldart | m |
| 03:36.44 | spldart | updating my linyux build on my quad now |
| 03:36.49 | spldart | typo |
| 03:37.01 | Flash | has pity on spldart for Houston heat |
| 03:37.14 | spldart | wasnt to bad today |
| 03:37.16 | Flash | gloats over Denver temperateness |
| 03:37.24 | spldart | i can't complain |
| 03:37.34 | spldart | heh |
| 03:38.30 | spldart | any way to make autogen go faster? :)_ |
| 03:38.52 | JeffM | install windows |
| 03:39.01 | spldart | that jusyt slow everything down |
| 03:39.18 | brlcad | not really |
| 03:39.20 | spldart | gah... keyboard to small... fingers to thick... and tired |
| 03:39.32 | brlcad | other than to reduce the complexity of configure.ac and the Makefile.am files |
| 03:39.54 | delusional_ | i got my tele test map started. |
| 03:40.29 | JeffM | spldart: not really ;) |
| 03:41.06 | JeffM | it has no autogen step |
| 03:41.45 | Flash | delusional_: I hang trying to download your map |
| 03:42.01 | JeffM | because tehre is no assumtion that you may be trying to run bzflag on a log splitter |
| 03:42.21 | spldart | I guess both have their advantages. Working on such an insecure lan as I do I have found being non-linux a saving solution. |
| 03:42.31 | spldart | meh |
| 03:42.39 | spldart | n0n-windows |
| 03:42.41 | spldart | heh |
| 03:42.51 | Flash | spldart: I was wondering...... |
| 03:42.56 | JeffM | thats just because you don' tknow a lot of linux hackers ;) |
| 03:43.07 | spldart | heh |
| 03:43.30 | Flash | delusional_: can't download; it eventually times out |
| 03:43.37 | spldart | I wonder... how many windows hackers compared to how many linux hackeers.... per captia |
| 03:43.42 | spldart | capita |
| 03:44.05 | JeffM | I'd say there are more people that consider themselves linux "hackers" |
| 03:44.06 | spldart | gir allrecursive error1 |
| 03:44.42 | JeffM | not many people pick linux as a desktop system |
| 03:44.51 | Flash | isn't linux hacker redundant? |
| 03:44.57 | JeffM | exactly |
| 03:45.34 | spldart | not |
| 03:46.08 | JeffM | the techincal knowledge usualy needed to use a linux system is a lot higher then a windows system, and that means that linux users tend to know more about how the systems run |
| 03:46.21 | Flash | delusional_: still trying to download (always hangs at the same place, but got this message in my shell: |
| 03:46.31 | Flash | Player::setDeadReckoning(): currentServerTime 130.6738 ought to be greater than timestamp 130.6738 |
| 03:46.32 | spldart | I'm sorry... Was that out loud? |
| 03:46.57 | delusional_ | flash i see your udp join, then it stops. |
| 03:47.12 | Flash | I get 28% complete only |
| 03:51.01 | delusional_ | I can get stuck inside a teleporter box with OO ... but I'm not on the ground.... cant self-destuct while moving, |
| 03:51.07 | delusional_ | try once more flash |
| 03:51.21 | Flash | no change |
| 03:51.35 | delusional_ | oh well, we tried |
| 03:52.52 | spldart | No rule to make target ../misc/bzfquery.pl ? needed by bzfquery 6.... how does the build fail in 'man' 8-0 |
| 03:53.28 | spldart | I should boot up the linux tester |
| 03:55.06 | delusional_ | ahh... F1 while inside a box with OO stops your motion... then your stuck there and cant self festruct because it thinks your still moving |
| 03:55.44 | delusional_ | i'm adding teles to the box, currently.. |
| 03:58.34 | delusional_ | and older tele names with $/ chars |
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| 04:09.30 | blast007 | is working on fixing the linux build |
| 04:09.42 | blast007 | unless I fall asleep waiting for autogen and configure ;) |
| 04:13.05 | short_circuit | smacks blast in a friendly sorta way |
| 04:13.18 | blast007 | short_circuit: I'm being serious :P |
| 04:13.43 | short_circuit | and I'm tinkering with linux build on a second machine ;) |
| 04:14.15 | blast007 | fix coming through |
| 04:14.21 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r19868 10/trunk/bzflag/man/Makefile.am: bzfquery.pl is now in a different location. |
| 04:14.44 | short_circuit | heh |
| 04:15.32 | short_circuit | just realized delusional's "The Right Stuff" joke |
| 04:16.05 | short_circuit | aka Speedy Gonzales arch relative |
| 04:17.48 | short_circuit | welp... lotsa building... heh.. never saw man throw a leg out in front of the build before ;) |
| 04:30.40 | trepan | should hix.bzw have a license? (looking at the SVN version) it has a copyright notice, but nothing about distribution, modification, etc... |
| 04:32.14 | JeffM | since it's part of the source package, it's LGPL |
| 04:32.26 | trepan | so it's source code? |
| 04:32.27 | JeffM | it should probably have a similar header to the source files |
| 04:32.44 | JeffM | as much as the images are I guess |
| 04:34.32 | trepan | i'm not sure the image licensing is setup right either |
| 04:34.39 | JeffM | probalby not |
| 04:35.00 | JeffM | tim's the copyright holder on all of those, and he's only ever had them be with the LGPL package |
| 04:35.26 | trepan | that's nice, but it isn't binding |
| 04:35.34 | JeffM | I knowe |
| 04:35.57 | JeffM | we'll have to ask him if he wants any other notification of copyright |
| 04:36.12 | JeffM | we could put something in a note field in the PNG files right? |
| 04:36.23 | trepan | yup |
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| 04:50.33 | BulletCatcher | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m4fd1ffeb has a list of 58 trunk C/C++ source code files that contain no license information. |
| 04:50.52 | BulletCatcher | Most of them are plugins. |
| 04:51.02 | JeffM | those you can add the standard header too |
| 04:51.12 | JeffM | except base64 |
| 04:51.20 | JeffM | and SDLMain.h |
| 04:51.40 | BulletCatcher | There is no need to check with the original authors? |
| 04:51.54 | JeffM | well I am the origonal author on most of em :) |
| 04:52.05 | JeffM | and no, when you commit to bzflag you turn copyright over to tim |
| 04:52.22 | JeffM | most of those are mine and brlcad's |
| 04:52.52 | JeffM | I can't see any that arn't actualy |
| 04:53.02 | JeffM | well 3ds2bzw.c |
| 04:53.13 | JeffM | dunno where that came from, or if it's even viable anymore |
| 04:53.18 | JeffM | probalby can remove it |
| 04:53.47 | JeffM | the plugins all came from our sample file, and it just didn't have it |
| 04:53.56 | JeffM | the platform code is defenatly tim owned |
| 04:54.04 | JeffM | and I wrote tankview |
| 04:54.05 | BulletCatcher | 3ds2bzw.c says "Author: Anonymous" at the top. |
| 04:54.23 | JeffM | pull it from the repo, we have model tool |
| 04:54.38 | JeffM | unless it's relitivly new? |
| 04:55.15 | BulletCatcher | brlcad committed it in 2004. |
| 04:55.15 | trepan | done ;) |
| 04:55.16 | JeffM | ahh trepan wrote it |
| 04:55.25 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19869 10/trunk/bzflag/misc/3ds2bzw.c: * removed 3ds2bzw, it's old, an 3ds sucks |
| 04:55.26 | JeffM | we don't need it do we treapan? |
| 04:55.30 | trepan | nope |
| 04:55.32 | JeffM | yeah 3ds does suck |
| 04:55.37 | BulletCatcher | Problem solved. :-) |
| 04:55.41 | JeffM | indeed |
| 04:56.13 | JeffM | other then the SDL and base64 files I can assure you that the rest are indeed owned by Tim |
| 04:56.55 | BulletCatcher | Okay. I'll add standard copyright/license headers to them. |
| 04:57.11 | JeffM | thanks |
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| 05:18.29 | JeffM | case and powersuplly working ok DTRemenak ? |
| 05:19.24 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 05:19.32 | DTRemenak | lots of room to work, very nice |
| 05:19.48 | JeffM | with all that weight on the bottom and the massive fan, it'll never fall over |
| 05:21.16 | BulletCatcher | JeffM: are you sure we can claim copyright on tools/tankview/Resource.h ? |
| 05:21.42 | DTRemenak | and my cpu temps are ~55 now instead of ~80, which is nice |
| 05:23.08 | JeffM | BulletCatcher: I wrote it |
| 05:23.36 | JeffM | MS dosn't claim copyright on res files ;) |
| 05:23.43 | JeffM | even if they are auto generated |
| 05:23.51 | BulletCatcher | Okay. I just want to be sure. |
| 05:23.51 | JeffM | DTRemenak: indeed |
| 05:24.06 | JeffM | BulletCatcher: if they did noone in the world would ever write a windows app |
| 05:24.45 | BulletCatcher | I fail to see the downside. |
| 05:25.00 | BulletCatcher | :-) |
| 05:25.03 | JeffM | it'd just be you and a bunch of unwashed hippies ;) |
| 05:25.17 | JeffM | and that's too much beard for the world to handle |
| 05:25.18 | BulletCatcher | I wash, at least. |
| 05:25.49 | BulletCatcher | Once a month, whether I need it or not. |
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| 05:34.51 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r19870 10/trunk/bzflag/ (55 files in 37 dirs): |
| 05:34.51 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: Add the standard BZFlag copyright/license/warranty header. |
| 05:34.51 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: JeffM2501 assures me that we are authorized to do this. |
| 05:35.10 | JeffM | no he didn't |
| 05:35.17 | JeffM | he's a bastard |
| 05:40.10 | BulletCatcher | Should base64.cpp be annotated as to its source? |
| 05:42.53 | JeffM | it dosn't say in the file? |
| 05:43.02 | BulletCatcher | Nothing at all. |
| 05:43.42 | JeffM | look at the header |
| 05:43.50 | JeffM | you can copy that to the cpp if you want |
| 05:44.37 | BulletCatcher | I'll do that. |
| 05:48.17 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r19871 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/plugin_utils/base64.cpp: Add the copyright/license header from the base64.h file. |
| 05:49.10 | BulletCatcher | That should do it for all of the C & C++ source code files that are not under the src/other directory. |
| 05:50.08 | BulletCatcher | As you guys noted previously, there are some other file types such as .bzw that could benefit from copyright and license statements. |
| 05:50.32 | JeffM | we have to ask tim on those |
| 05:50.38 | JeffM | as well as the art |
| 05:52.00 | BulletCatcher | Do we have to put verbal copyright statements into the sound files? :-) |
| 05:52.19 | JeffM | a file in the data dir may be acceptable |
| 05:52.35 | JeffM | or he may just say that it's all covered under the LGPL License file |
| 05:52.48 | JeffM | perhaps we just need to clarify in that licnese that its' code and art, etc.. |
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| 12:40.27 | dexter- | http://www.esl.eu/de/forum/5/37/634628/ for all you germans out there, BZFlag has been proposed as an ESL league game |
| 12:41.22 | joevano | English as a Second Language? :P |
| 12:41.38 | joevano | i thought it already was |
| 12:43.06 | dexter- | joevano, well, reposted in their forums as you can see |
| 12:46.06 | joevano | Well I could IF I could read german... I got the first word but after that it's almost like it's a foriegn langugae, I don't understand what they are saying ;) |
| 12:48.44 | dexter- | joevano, you could just post 'Great game. Great idea.' ;) |
| 13:15.42 | rabidweezle | anyone know where modeltool is stored? I've checked the entire trunk I believe and cannot seem to find it. |
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| 13:46.45 | BulletCatcher | rabidweezle: It is in the /trunk/bzflag/tools/modeltool directory. |
| 13:56.31 | rabidweezle | thanks |
| 14:04.15 | rabidweezle | the configure script is oh so purdy |
| 14:06.18 | rabidweezle | (that means it looks very clean and pro) |
| 14:11.05 | rabidweezle | crosses fingers and types make |
| 14:11.22 | jorgenpt | ;-D |
| 14:11.46 | rabidweezle | it said something about zlib, but I have zlib-dev packages |
| 14:11.54 | rabidweezle | and freetype2 lol |
| 14:12.11 | rabidweezle | but it didn't fail on configure so I figure it's alright |
| 14:13.47 | jorgenpt | ~seen Bulldozer |
| 14:13.49 | ibot | bulldozer <n=KingRobo@student4945.student.nau.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1d 20h 16m 18s ago, saying: 'blast007: Thanks; I will try that.'. |
| 14:15.34 | rabidweezle | oh, I should do a sudo apt-get remove bzflag while I wait for it to compile... |
| 14:15.47 | jorgenpt | aptitude, man, aptitude! |
| 14:16.01 | rabidweezle | what's the difference? |
| 14:16.27 | jorgenpt | When you install a package with aptitude, it's marked as "manually installed". If there are any dependencies, it marks those as "automatically installed". |
| 14:16.46 | rabidweezle | oh, cool |
| 14:16.55 | jorgenpt | If you uninstall a package, and no other package depends on one of the "automatically installed packages", it removes the dependency. |
| 14:17.03 | jorgenpt | So you don't end up with a gazillion unused "support packages". |
| 14:17.19 | jorgenpt | Plus aptitude automatically pulls in "recommended"-packages |
| 14:17.31 | jorgenpt | Which often is useful. |
| 14:17.39 | rabidweezle | very clean |
| 14:18.11 | rabidweezle | why don't they just make apt-get do that? |
| 14:18.11 | jorgenpt | Also, when uninstalling packages, if you use "purge" instead of "remove", it removes configuration files. This may or may not be what you want, but it's useful to know about both. |
| 14:18.19 | jorgenpt | I don't know. ;-) |
| 14:18.38 | jorgenpt | Probably to not "break" / change behaviour, and to allow people to choose which one they want to use. |
| 14:18.51 | rabidweezle | nods |
| 14:19.04 | jorgenpt | As of the Debian 4.0 ("Etch") release, aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console both for package installations and package or system upgrades." |
| 14:19.11 | jorgenpt | (quote wikipedia) |
| 14:19.42 | rabidweezle | either method is better than back in the day when I was tracking down rpm's for redhat 6 |
| 14:19.47 | jorgenpt | hrhr |
| 14:19.55 | jorgenpt | I shiver at the thought; been there, done that. |
| 14:19.57 | rabidweezle | that was a headache |
| 14:20.20 | jorgenpt | I've pledged my loyalty to debian/ubuntu for many years now, but I hear redhat has improved (yum and whatnot) |
| 14:20.42 | rabidweezle | still is no debian :D |
| 14:22.08 | rabidweezle | well, I can't say that, I haven't used it. I'm still just weary of anything redhat touches after dealing with their broken compilers and rpms of back then |
| 14:22.36 | BulletCatcher | Red Hat is much better about those things now. Really. |
| 14:24.40 | rabidweezle | I did try gentoo though for a bit after redhat |
| 14:25.31 | rabidweezle | it was fast and stable, just took too long to setup on a box |
| 14:26.32 | rabidweezle | 3 days of compiling to setup a box was a bit much for me when I was installing on 20 systems for the lab |
| 14:31.10 | rabidweezle | does a sudo make install |
| 14:32.10 | rabidweezle | Can't create window. Exiting. |
| 14:32.16 | rabidweezle | awesome |
| 14:41.52 | rabidweezle | just installs modeltool and removes bzflag, then installs from repo |
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| 16:21.17 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r19872 10/trunk/bzflag/misc/ (. Makefile.am): 3ds2bzw is gone and other files have moved. |
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| 16:28.39 | rabidweezle | morning Mr. Riker |
| 16:29.00 | TimRiker | moin |
| 16:30.00 | rabidweezle | Just wanna say thanks for continued support of bzflag for all these years :D |
| 16:30.19 | rabidweezle | it's been my favorite linux game since I played it in redhat 6 |
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| 16:38.44 | mrapplecomputer1 | Hey everyone. Great news! BZFLAG IS NOW WORKING ON THE iPOD TOUCH AND IPHONE. Please read my post on the forums: http://cuthut.com/wj |
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| 17:03.59 | _WarPig_ | Oh boy - bzflag on an iphone. How laggy will that be? :-/ |
| 17:10.24 | blast007 | uh, it's bzadmin, not bzflag :P |
| 17:10.44 | blast007 | and it's probably not evenrunning natively on there. My guess it's SSH'ed to a computer. |
| 17:10.55 | blast007 | ah, yes, it is. |
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| 17:26.18 | rabidweezle | bzflag on iphone would rock |
| 17:26.57 | rabidweezle | touchscreen around the box and tap to shoot :) |
| 17:27.37 | rabidweezle | but the task of porting would be a pain |
| 17:27.38 | temp_work | use the accelerometer for movement |
| 17:27.52 | rabidweezle | oooh man, that would be weird |
| 17:27.56 | temp_work | shake for jump :) |
| 17:28.02 | blast007 | rabidweezle: wouldn't be bzflag, but yes |
| 17:29.42 | rabidweezle | I thought it was pretty cool when john carmack ported wolf3d to the iphone all opensource even |
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| 18:00.28 | mrapplecomputer1 | would anyone be willing to help with compiling the 2.99.x svn on a mac? i get this error: http://pastebin.com/d2b6945b9 |
| 18:00.55 | mrapplecomputer1 | by the way i downloaded it with this link: http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/trunk/bzflag.tar.gz?view=tar |
| 18:01.35 | mrapplecomputer1 | it is basically a tar.gz of the latest svn |
| 18:03.33 | BulletCatcher | mrapplecomputer1: Open a terminal, then type these two commands: |
| 18:03.35 | BulletCatcher | cd /Users/admin/Desktop/bzflag |
| 18:03.39 | BulletCatcher | ./autogen.sh |
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| 18:03.56 | mrapplecomputer1 | thank you! |
| 18:04.06 | mrapplecomputer1 | i think i got them |
| 18:04.08 | mrapplecomputer1 | ill try |
| 18:04.39 | mrapplecomputer1 | it still says permission deined. |
| 18:04.44 | mrapplecomputer1 | do i have to use chomd? |
| 18:04.53 | BulletCatcher | Type "chmod 755 autogen.sh" |
| 18:05.11 | mrapplecomputer1 | it worksing! |
| 18:05.17 | mrapplecomputer1 | its working1!!!!! |
| 18:05.28 | brlcad | it also means you probably downloaded the zip instead of the tgz |
| 18:05.52 | BulletCatcher | It sounds like the SF view=tar thing doesn't set executable permissions. |
| 18:06.01 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok thanks |
| 18:06.13 | brlcad | sf just sets the mime type |
| 18:06.17 | mrapplecomputer1 | now it says automatically preparing build........ |
| 18:06.19 | brlcad | has nothing to do with the content |
| 18:06.29 | brlcad | we do that |
| 18:06.29 | mrapplecomputer1 | i know, but is that right? |
| 18:06.47 | BulletCatcher | There are other problems compiling trunk on the Mac at the moment, so don't expect success. |
| 18:07.13 | mrapplecomputer1 | it says, to buld here, run ./configure. |
| 18:07.17 | mrapplecomputer1 | now its running |
| 18:08.32 | BulletCatcher | The problem I have probably won't affect you. |
| 18:09.10 | mrapplecomputer1 | now it says type make to begin building |
| 18:09.15 | mrapplecomputer1 | its building |
| 18:12.35 | mrapplecomputer1 | still building...... |
| 18:12.59 | BulletCatcher | It takes about 12 minutes on my MacBook. |
| 18:13.05 | BulletCatcher | We don't need the play-by-play. |
| 18:13.14 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok. |
| 18:13.23 | mrapplecomputer1 | at least i havent been talking that oftern :P |
| 18:13.39 | mrapplecomputer1 | so it shold take like 8 on mine? |
| 18:14.10 | BulletCatcher | Only if your computer is 33% faster than mine. |
| 18:14.35 | mrapplecomputer1 | i think it is :P 2gb ram, 2.sumthin ghz processor |
| 18:14.55 | mrapplecomputer1 | 2.4 to be exact |
| 18:15.41 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r19873 10/trunk/bzflag/src/clientbase/Makefile.am: Distribute the clientvars.h file. |
| 18:15.57 | mrapplecomputer1 | what? |
| 18:17.03 | BulletCatcher | That is a report of an update to the Subversion respository. |
| 18:17.27 | BulletCatcher | The tar file you downloaded is now obsolete. :-) |
| 18:17.54 | BulletCatcher | The change I made won't affect what you are doing. |
| 18:18.43 | mrapplecomputer1 | what? |
| 18:18.55 | mrapplecomputer1 | snap! |
| 18:19.02 | Bambino_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.24 | mrapplecomputer1 | common......... the source changes QUICKLY then |
| 18:19.28 | mrapplecomputer1 | o well |
| 18:19.36 | mrapplecomputer1 | ill stay obselete for now |
| 18:19.46 | mrapplecomputer1 | i havent even seen 2.99 so it should be fun |
| 18:20.23 | mrapplecomputer1 | still building........ |
| 18:20.40 | Bambino_ | it's very cool |
| 18:20.44 | Bambino_ | buggy, but cool |
| 18:21.18 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok |
| 18:21.21 | mrapplecomputer1 | i believe you |
| 18:21.25 | Bambino_ | :) |
| 18:21.36 | Bambino_ | I had 5000ms lag |
| 18:21.42 | mrapplecomputer1 | whoa |
| 18:21.44 | Bambino_ | and my network was fine |
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| 18:22.02 | BulletCatcher | Lagginess is one of the problems with 2.99. |
| 18:22.03 | Bambino_ | I think it was a norang 2.99.X server IIRC |
| 18:22.03 | mrapplecomputer1 | i can host 20 ppl without lag on 2.0 |
| 18:22.13 | Bambino_ | nice |
| 18:22.24 | mrapplecomputer1 | so maybe 8 on 3.0 with no lagg? |
| 18:22.27 | mrapplecomputer1 | 2.99 sry |
| 18:22.34 | Bambino_ | one thing I hate about |
| 18:22.40 | Bambino_ | 2.99.X |
| 18:22.44 | mrapplecomputer1 | its done! |
| 18:22.50 | mrapplecomputer1 | now i have to run make install |
| 18:22.54 | mrapplecomputer1 | ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 18:22.58 | BulletCatcher | Don't. |
| 18:23.08 | mrapplecomputer1 | error! |
| 18:23.09 | Bambino_ | is that the acceleration is 0.5 seconds slow |
| 18:23.12 | BulletCatcher | Just type "src/bzflag/bzflag" to run it. |
| 18:23.21 | Bambino_ | leaves |
| 18:23.22 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok |
| 18:23.36 | mrapplecomputer1 | no file |
| 18:23.46 | mrapplecomputer1 | or directory |
| 18:24.03 | BulletCatcher | Mabye it failed to build correctly. |
| 18:24.03 | mrapplecomputer1 | nvm |
| 18:24.13 | mrapplecomputer1 | no fonts found |
| 18:24.40 | mrapplecomputer1 | nvm |
| 18:24.43 | mrapplecomputer1 | typed it wrong |
| 18:24.46 | mrapplecomputer1 | it buileded |
| 18:24.56 | mrapplecomputer1 | :P it jsut says no fonts found |
| 18:25.28 | mrapplecomputer1 | o snap now what |
| 18:25.51 | BulletCatcher | Type "ls -l data/fonts". It should list 6 .ttf files. |
| 18:27.28 | mrapplecomputer1 | it does |
| 18:27.55 | BulletCatcher | Then I'm not sure why it can't find the fonts. |
| 18:28.28 | mrapplecomputer1 | cant u jsut send me your finished .app on like megauplod u sumthin? |
| 18:28.48 | mrapplecomputer1 | or not u |
| 18:29.42 | BulletCatcher | I don't have a finished .app . |
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| 18:30.06 | mrapplecomputer1 | u could make one :P |
| 18:30.21 | mrapplecomputer1 | dARN fonts! |
| 18:30.33 | BulletCatcher | Actually, I don't know if I could. I have never tried before. |
| 18:30.43 | mrapplecomputer1 | o |
| 18:31.58 | BulletCatcher | Other people have released bzflag.app for the development versions, but I don't think anyone has done that with 2.99.27. |
| 18:34.50 | mrapplecomputer1 | where can i find eon of them like 26,25,24, or 23 |
| 18:34.54 | blast007 | mrapplecomputer1: the lag issue on 3.0 isn't real lag. There's a bug. |
| 18:35.05 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok, thanks blast |
| 18:35.58 | mrapplecomputer1 | blast007: do you know why when i type src/bzflag/bzflag it says no fonts found, even though they are there? |
| 18:36.00 | blast007 | src/bzflag/bzflag -directory ./data/ |
| 18:36.16 | mrapplecomputer1 | omg! |
| 18:36.17 | blast007 | (yes, I can read your mind.) |
| 18:36.20 | mrapplecomputer1 | thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:36.24 | mrapplecomputer1 | wow your like harry potter |
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| 18:36.48 | mrapplecomputer1 | 3.0! |
| 18:36.50 | BulletCatcher | As far as I can tell, the extra lag in 2.99 is real. But we still think we can reduce it by changing the code. |
| 18:38.07 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: it just seems real ;) that's part of the trick |
| 18:38.07 | blast007 | I'm referring to lagstats |
| 18:38.07 | blast007 | though I can't remember if they are worse or better than they used to be |
| 18:38.07 | blast007 | guess I need to fire up a client/server when I get home |
| 18:38.20 | BulletCatcher | I am not convinced that it is just an error in calculation. |
| 18:38.48 | BulletCatcher | But I also have no idea what is causing the delays. |
| 18:39.06 | blast007 | right, I'm not saying it's just a calculation issue |
| 18:39.25 | blast007 | but it's also much higher than 2.0.x |
| 18:39.33 | BulletCatcher | Yes. |
| 18:39.46 | mrapplecomputer1 | how do i start a server in 2.99.x |
| 18:39.50 | mrapplecomputer1 | the menu has been removed |
| 18:40.02 | blast007 | at least at one point, it was hitting 700+ ms to my server, with only 4 players on ;) |
| 18:40.12 | blast007 | and I get under 100ms with 2.0.x |
| 18:40.18 | blast007 | (with 32 players on..) |
| 18:40.28 | blast007 | mrapplecomputer1: src/bzfs/bzfs |
| 18:40.36 | mrapplecomputer1 | thanks! |
| 18:40.38 | blast007 | we removed the menu because it sucked |
| 18:40.44 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok |
| 18:40.45 | blast007 | so either configure it manually |
| 18:40.59 | blast007 | or install Mono and use the StartBZFS application |
| 18:41.04 | BulletCatcher | It's not a network problem, but it might be a problem in the code that interfaces with the network. |
| 18:41.09 | blast007 | yeah |
| 18:41.12 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok |
| 18:41.20 | blast007 | network code had a LOT of changes |
| 18:41.26 | mrapplecomputer1 | i typed it and now its stuck at a flshing curser |
| 18:41.35 | blast007 | mrapplecomputer1: it's not a graphical program |
| 18:41.43 | blast007 | it's a terminal application, so the server is running right now |
| 18:41.45 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok but what do i do then? |
| 18:41.51 | mrapplecomputer1 | oooooo |
| 18:41.52 | mrapplecomputer1 | got it |
| 18:41.59 | blast007 | you could join localhost port 5154, and see a basic server, 1 shot, random map, no jumping, etc |
| 18:42.02 | BulletCatcher | Open up a 2nd terminal an run the client from there. |
| 18:42.08 | blast007 | if you want jumping, you add -j |
| 18:42.15 | blast007 | if you want more shots, you can do -ms 10 |
| 18:42.16 | blast007 | etc |
| 18:42.23 | mrapplecomputer1 | cool |
| 18:42.25 | blast007 | so: src/bzfs/bzfs -j -ms 10 |
| 18:42.30 | mrapplecomputer1 | so i type -j |
| 18:42.32 | blast007 | src/bzfs/bzfs --help |
| 18:42.45 | blast007 | Ctrl-C will kill the server |
| 18:42.52 | blast007 | you can't change it while it's running |
| 18:42.57 | mrapplecomputer1 | sweet! |
| 18:42.59 | blast007 | you have to pass it these things when you start it |
| 18:43.38 | BulletCatcher | Start a Ducati-style server this way: |
| 18:43.39 | BulletCatcher | src/bzfs/bzfs -cr -mp 0,15,15,0,0,10 -ms 2 -density 4 -h +r -tk |
| 18:44.31 | mrapplecomputer1 | tab wont jump |
| 18:44.47 | blast007 | you can also put those settings into a text file, such as "myserver.cfg", and then run it like this: src/bzfs/bzfs -conf myserver.cfg |
| 18:44.55 | blast007 | did you add -j when you ran the server?" |
| 18:45.06 | BulletCatcher | Ducati-style servers don't allow jumping. |
| 18:45.37 | mrapplecomputer1 | do i have to add it at the start, or can i update it while playing? |
| 18:45.42 | BulletCatcher | At the start. |
| 18:45.47 | blast007 | 13:42:51 <+blast007> you can't change it while it's running |
| 18:45.50 | blast007 | 13:42:59 <+blast007> you have to pass it these things when you start it |
| 18:46.48 | mrapplecomputer1 | cool |
| 18:46.49 | mrapplecomputer1 | got it |
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| 18:47.13 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03will07c5 * r19874 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (6 files in 2 dirs): arc and meshbox now have proper support for materials |
| 18:47.14 | mrapplecomputer1 | o i thaught u said u could |
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| 18:54.23 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok 2.99.x is awesome! |
| 19:00.10 | BulletCatcher | Well, it is derived from that awesome BZFlag 2.0 game. |
| 19:00.41 | blast007 | BZFlag 3 - Awesome with a capital three! |
| 19:01.46 | trepan | Awesome \Awe"some\, a. 1. Causing awe; appalling; awful; as, an awesome sight. |
| 19:02.13 | BulletCatcher | ~dict awesome |
| 19:02.29 | BulletCatcher | lol |
| 19:03.50 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03will07c5 * r19875 10/trunk/bzworkbench/src/objects/base.cpp: just modified base to accept team keyword as well as color |
| 19:05.44 | mrapplecomputer1 | i have a server running on 3.0! cool! |
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| 20:26.18 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r19876 10/trunk/bzflag/src/platform/XWindow.cxx: Avoid a "deprecated conversion from string constant to 'char*'" warning. |
| 20:39.58 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19877 10/trunk/bzflag/src/clientbase/ (WorldDownLoader.cxx playing.cxx): * fixed world downloading |
| 20:57.01 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r19878 10/trunk/bzflag/data/sounds/ (30 files): Remove the trailing newline that was added to each .wav file in revision 13538. |
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| 21:30.26 | brlcad | eep, I did that? |
| 21:31.13 | brlcad | blames tim's ws script .. 2006 was a while ago :) |
| 21:31.21 | brlcad | er copyright.sh |
| 21:35.59 | spldart | Blame it on the rain. that keeps on falling.." /singsong |
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