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| 00:07.45 | Yassen | DT appears to be set correctly; it works for the movement stuff. |
| 00:13.49 | trepan | relvel -- relative to a moving surface (ie: physics driver) |
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| 00:59.06 | me1 | ~bzsvn |
| 00:59.06 | ibot | i guess bzsvn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag bzflag |
| 01:03.56 | KingRobot1 | Do we have to use the frontend / backend for bzrobots? |
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| 02:10.09 | AAA_awright | trepan: Re your last commit, string::find_first_of is quicker and simpler, and it returns the position the character was found, so you know which one it matched |
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| 02:17.44 | trepan | AAA_awright: quicker? simpler? returns the pos? |
| 02:17.57 | AAA_awright | Unless you had something else in mind |
| 02:18.02 | trepan | AAA_awright: be careful to note the exact form of find() |
| 02:19.04 | AAA_awright | size_t string::find(char)... yeah? |
| 02:19.06 | trepan | ah, you're probably bothering about the 3 different cases ... |
| 02:19.38 | trepan | separated for clarity (originally thought you were comparing find(char) to find_first_of("char") or some such |
| 02:19.43 | AAA_awright | Oh yes |
| 02:19.48 | trepan | and yes, i know find_first_of() ... |
| 02:19.56 | trepan | and no, that's not what I wanted ;-) |
| 02:24.55 | AAA_awright | . |
| 02:34.19 | pacman87 | ~bzflist |
| 02:35.02 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03221.206.41.123 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5848 10/w/In_Aid_of_the_Myreque: New page: ===Description:=== After the attack on the Myreque by Vanstrom Klause and with the deaths of both Sani and Harold, Veliaf is counting on you to help. Now that the Myreque freedom fighters'... |
| 02:35.54 | MindstormsKid | Wait, what? |
| 02:43.07 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03will07c5 * r19859 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (47 files in 13 dirs): |
| 02:43.17 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: * added method to simplify parsing objects with separate matrefs for |
| 02:43.31 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: each face |
| 02:43.44 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: * modified box to save properly |
| 02:43.51 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: * moved all textures to single path and removed obj/mtl files |
| 02:44.29 | AAA_awright | http://my.bzflag.org/w/In_Aid_of_the_Myreque |
| 02:45.10 | AAA_awright | Who is the admin again? |
| 02:48.08 | AAA_awright | blast007 ^ |
| 02:59.05 | Bambino | AAA_awright: lol, what is that? |
| 02:59.43 | AAA_awright | No clue |
| 03:00.23 | Bambino | must have taken a while to write out |
| 03:01.14 | Think_Differentl | whats the command for building only the server and not the rest of bzflag? |
| 03:02.30 | TD-Linux | lol copypasta from a runescape wiki |
| 03:02.48 | Thumper_ | ./configure --disable-client --disable-bzadmin IIRC |
| 03:03.12 | Think_Differentl | thanks Thumper_ |
| 03:03.30 | Think_Differentl | just have to wait on the slow debian package server to download the needed stuff before I build... |
| 03:08.42 | Think_Differentl | do I need libcurl? I thought I just installed. |
| 03:09.53 | blast007 | AAA_awright: haha, nice |
| 03:10.14 | Thumper_ | Think_Differentl: libcurl4-openssl-dev maybe? |
| 03:10.37 | Think_Differentl | didn't have that installed, maybe that's why |
| 03:10.55 | Think_Differentl | jeez, only 70kbps, i should change the mirror |
| 03:13.02 | Think_Differentl | Thumper_, thanks, that seems to make configure happy. |
| 03:13.15 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03Blast 07http://my.bzflag.org * r0 10/w/Special:Log/block: blocked [[User:221.206.41.123]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites: Runescape spam |
| 03:14.35 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03Blast 07http://my.bzflag.org * r0 10/w/Special:Log/delete: deleted "[[In Aid of the Myreque]]": Runescape spam |
| 03:14.37 | Think_Differentl | I'm guessing I shouldn't do make install on this. |
| 03:14.46 | Thumper_ | I never do |
| 03:14.51 | Thumper_ | just run it out of the build directories |
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| 03:17.02 | Think_Differentl | looks like it built okay |
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| 04:17.24 | blast007 | JefferyM: heh, seems I can't yet reproduce the "client hangs on join when hostbanned" issue :( |
| 04:23.59 | BulletCatcher | KingRobot: Before r19314, the "make dist" command failed unless --enable-bzrobots-python was used with configure. Now, "make dist" works either way. |
| 04:24.00 | BulletCatcher | As I see it, the only thing left to do is to simply remove the multiline FIXME comment from src/bzrobots/Makefile.am . |
| 04:27.03 | KingRobot | BulletCatcher: that's what I assumed, but was trying to confirm - thanks for verifying |
| 04:27.09 | BulletCatcher | np |
| 04:27.37 | BulletCatcher | On the other hand, Windows may need the two bzrobot_python_wrap files and have no way to generate them. |
| 04:27.57 | KingRobot | There is no Windows project for bzrobots yet |
| 04:28.07 | KingRobot | Working on that :) |
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| 05:01.03 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03216.165.132.252 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5849 10/w/IBZEdit: fixed sentence structure |
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| 05:29.50 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03kingrobot * r19860 10/trunk/bzflag/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Add Windows project for bzrobots. (As expected, this does not link for now) |
| 05:32.24 | BulletCatcher | Yay, Subversion properties. :-) |
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| 11:56.26 | rabidweezle | quick question, where do I stick bzw's in linux? |
| 11:57.28 | brad | whereever you want. same directory as config file would work (presuming your trying to run a server) |
| 11:57.45 | brad | then use -world path/to/map.bzw |
| 11:58.06 | rabidweezle | yeah, trying to run a server :D |
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| 12:30.19 | rabidweezle | ok.. maybe I'm doing a typo here, but it's complaining about the -pulicaddr line of my script I'm working on... |
| 12:30.26 | rabidweezle | bzfs -a 50 38 -disableBots -filterChat -filterCallsigns -lagdrop 15 -lagwarn 400 -mp 32 -ms 15 -p 21000 -public -publicaddr 75.81.196.24 -world ~/.bzf/2.0/FY_ICEWORLD.bzw +r -sa -spamtime 15 -spamwarn 3 -srvmsg Welcome to the Shootout Zone host: RabidWeezle -st 20 |
| 12:32.25 | rabidweezle | did I get the syntax wrong on the -publicaddr? |
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| 12:34.32 | rabidweezle | brad ? |
| 12:37.50 | joevano | rabidweezle: needs a port number i believe |
| 12:38.04 | joevano | -publicaddr x.x.x.x:5154 |
| 12:38.40 | joevano | or whatever port you are putting it on.. 5154 is the "default" and registered port for bzflag |
| 12:39.08 | rabidweezle | I'm doing 21000 |
| 12:40.19 | rabidweezle | bad argument "75.81.196.24:21000" |
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| 12:42.56 | joevano | maybe it is the -public actually.. that is the decription to show and you are not specifying one |
| 12:43.18 | joevano | try -public "Shooting Zone" |
| 12:44.25 | joevano | my next suggestion will be to put all the command line stuff in a config file and use -conf <path_to_file> and add one thing at a time |
| 12:44.40 | joevano | much easier to trouble shoot and manage |
| 12:45.05 | Thumper_ | -public -publicaddr x.x.x.x:21000 makes your server name in the list "-publicaddr" and the address looks like junk to bzfs |
| 12:45.21 | Thumper_ | -public "name goes here" -publicaddr x.x.x.x:21000 should work better |
| 12:45.57 | joevano | yeah like Thumper_ said |
| 12:46.44 | rabidweezle | ooh |
| 12:49.26 | rabidweezle | woot, now it's up, thanks |
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| 13:00.21 | rabidweezle | -j for jumping right? |
| 13:00.36 | rabidweezle | yep |
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| 13:42.27 | rabidweezle | well, people like the server :D |
| 13:43.04 | rabidweezle | does the server app bzf utilize dual cores? |
| 13:44.23 | brad | nope! |
| 13:44.37 | brad | but it uses a tiny amount of cpu anyway, compared to most game servers |
| 13:44.43 | brad | I doubt you will run into any problems |
| 13:45.06 | rabidweezle | nice |
| 13:46.06 | rabidweezle | SysInfo: CPU: Dual AMD Athlon Dual-Core QL-62 2000.000 MHz Bogomips: 8000.75 |
| 13:47.08 | Thumper_ | You'll run out of bandwidth long before you run out of cpu |
| 13:47.47 | rabidweezle | probly with a 15 shot clip and 32 players max |
| 13:48.02 | rabidweezle | that's alot of bullets flying all over |
| 13:49.00 | rabidweezle | my memory usage is alright |
| 13:49.05 | rabidweezle | SysInfo: Mem: 1157/1735M [||||||||||] |
| 13:55.31 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r19861 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx: |
| 13:55.31 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: Remove unused "closeFloat" function. |
| 13:55.32 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: It was implemented incorrectly, anyway. |
| 14:03.08 | rabidweezle | I'm glad to see alot of people still play bzflag |
| 14:03.45 | rabidweezle | that's the good thing about an actively developed opensource free game |
| 14:04.00 | rabidweezle | and being on every platform |
| 14:04.26 | rabidweezle | if the other game companies would catch on, they would still have people playing their games that have long since died |
| 14:07.58 | _WarPig_ | I'm noticing lots of messages 'local collision with ????? from {playername}' messages in the chat box. They (upon cursory examination) appear to be coming from clients using the darwin build. What is it? |
| 14:09.07 | spldart | Heh.. Another drawback to finding and mix matching packages in repo's. I have to make some of my own symlinks.... Like to say... libGL.so... Glad Jeff isn't here to scrape a finger and wave Ubuntu's banner. |
| 14:09.58 | rabidweezle | uses ubuntu |
| 14:10.24 | rabidweezle | _WarPig_, was that on my server? |
| 14:10.41 | BulletCatcher | _WarPig_: You only see that when you are an observer, right? |
| 14:10.51 | I_Died_Once | 'Kung Fu' star David Carradine has been found dead in a hotel in Bangkok, Thailand, according to his manager. |
| 14:10.58 | I_Died_Once | oops, wrong room |
| 14:11.00 | _WarPig_ | Yes. |
| 14:11.15 | _WarPig_ | rabidweezle: yes. |
| 14:11.21 | I_Died_Once | still sucks, though.... Grasshopper |
| 14:11.59 | rabidweezle | BZFlag server 2.0.13.20081107-DEVEL-linux-gnu-SDL (protocol 0026) http://BZFlag.org/ |
| 14:12.30 | rabidweezle | it's ubuntu x64 jaunty |
| 14:12.38 | brad | _WarPig_: blame lag |
| 14:12.53 | brad | your clients thinks they should have died, but they didn't |
| 14:13.17 | rabidweezle | oh, probly cause I'm hosting off wireless lol |
| 14:14.14 | _WarPig_ | Gotcha. I didn't put it together but I've only seen these on the BZJP servers and rabidweezle's. All laggy. Thanks |
| 14:14.53 | rabidweezle | wish I had a box sitting at an isp |
| 14:15.45 | BulletCatcher | Your wish, plus a few dozen dollars per month, could make it so. |
| 14:15.51 | rabidweezle | could have a few servers, one for ctf... one for ffa, team based |
| 14:16.29 | brad | but is it really worth spending money on more bz servers when there are currently more servers than players? |
| 14:16.58 | rabidweezle | true lol |
| 14:17.31 | rabidweezle | but here's a question, and I don't want to sound weird or nothing... |
| 14:17.54 | _WarPig_ | too late :@) |
| 14:17.54 | BulletCatcher | too late :-) |
| 14:17.58 | _WarPig_ | nlol |
| 14:17.58 | BulletCatcher | lol |
| 14:18.00 | rabidweezle | but what is the future of bzflag? Where is the development going. Are we going to see terrain sometimes soon? |
| 14:18.13 | rabidweezle | or, models? |
| 14:18.22 | rabidweezle | or are we going to keep it simple? |
| 14:18.40 | rabidweezle | and by models, I mean stuff like trees, houses |
| 14:18.45 | brad | already done.. |
| 14:18.52 | brad | try playing on one of louman's maps :) |
| 14:18.57 | brad | they are .... insane |
| 14:19.06 | jorgenpt | I heard HDR lightning and lens flares were next? |
| 14:19.13 | _WarPig_ | Louman thinks WAYY outside of the box. |
| 14:19.29 | rabidweezle | nods |
| 14:19.30 | BulletCatcher | Yes, Louman's Desktop shows the current possibilities very well. |
| 14:19.42 | _WarPig_ | I saw that today. Wow. |
| 14:19.50 | rabidweezle | gotta link to his website? |
| 14:20.22 | _WarPig_ | search for louman in the client. |
| 14:20.28 | rabidweezle | kk |
| 14:21.21 | _WarPig_ | I think destructable terrain would be cool. Blast a hole in a wall and drive through, etc. |
| 14:21.28 | BulletCatcher | Check out the Stalingrad map, too. |
| 14:22.25 | BulletCatcher | There are lots of ideas for "improving" BZFlag, but few developers willing and able to make them happen. |
| 14:24.30 | rabidweezle | wow |
| 14:24.32 | rabidweezle | nice |
| 14:24.36 | rabidweezle | louman had some nice maps |
| 14:25.17 | rabidweezle | one with a lighthouse and trees and water and hills... |
| 14:25.47 | rabidweezle | very cool |
| 14:26.57 | rabidweezle | oh sweeet |
| 14:27.02 | rabidweezle | I can map in blender :D |
| 14:27.24 | rabidweezle | oh heck yeah |
| 14:29.08 | BulletCatcher | Players will visit a beautiful map once or twice, but it is that difficult-to-define thing called "gameplay" that brings them back day after day. |
| 14:30.47 | rabidweezle | aka, it has to be fun |
| 14:32.50 | BulletCatcher | Yup. |
| 14:34.15 | BulletCatcher | The most enduringly popular map is HiX, used by the GU league. It is quite simple at first glance. |
| 14:36.01 | _WarPig_ | Missle Wars has player appeal. |
| 14:36.26 | _WarPig_ | Panzer's desert warfare is a great map I think. Very simple, and intense battle. |
| 14:38.16 | BulletCatcher | Yes. Those are relatively new maps, however. |
| 14:39.09 | BulletCatcher | The 2-team Missile War map has had nice staying power for about 1 1/2 years. |
| 14:40.27 | _WarPig_ | I think the key is giving each flag a 'job'. A place for lasers to snipe from, a place for the GM players. Good layout for the ground war, etc. |
| 14:40.49 | _WarPig_ | Thats what makes Missle War so popular, imho. |
| 14:42.07 | brad | hix generally doesn't have any super-flags :p |
| 14:42.13 | brad | its just...personal preference |
| 14:42.29 | rabidweezle | lol, my server doesn't have any flags |
| 14:42.31 | I_Died_Once | what would you guys consider to be the best FFA servers? |
| 14:42.42 | brad | anything but mofo. that server sucks. |
| 14:42.44 | BulletCatcher | And one of the good things about BZFlag is that it can cater to many personal preferences. |
| 14:42.57 | brad | jk of course:) |
| 14:43.04 | _WarPig_ | lol |
| 14:43.07 | I_Died_Once | brad, you crackhead |
| 14:43.22 | brad | heh |
| 14:43.54 | BulletCatcher | Mofo and Badgerking are the FFA king and queen. |
| 14:43.55 | BulletCatcher | I'm not sure which is which. :-) |
| 14:45.15 | _WarPig_ | Could be queen and queen, of course. Not that there's anything wrong with that. |
| 14:47.10 | spldart | O.....K...... |
| 14:55.41 | rabidweezle | o_O |
| 15:06.30 | rabidweezle | shuts down the server and heads to bed |
| 15:06.45 | rabidweezle | thanks for the help all |
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| 15:48.54 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03wyk3d * r19862 10/branches/gsoc_bzauthd/ (11 files in 9 dirs): |
| 15:49.06 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: Added options to build bzauthd, its tests and the openldap/gcrypt/gpg-error libraries in configure.ac. |
| 15:49.21 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: Added initial m4 files with checks for the libraries' existence. |
| 15:49.35 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: Moved the libraries to src/other. |
| 15:49.47 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: Lined up the enable/disable options in configure.ac. |
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| 18:18.32 | {janis} | good evening |
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| 19:11.56 | rabidweezle | well, just made my first map :D |
| 19:12.02 | rabidweezle | time to test it out |
| 19:14.12 | rabidweezle | I thought I saved it... |
| 19:14.14 | rabidweezle | wtf |
| 19:14.30 | rabidweezle | grr, brb |
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| 19:19.07 | rabidweezle | lol, saved it to the wrong drive |
| 19:23.51 | rabidweezle | hrm, my teleporters don't work :( |
| 19:24.02 | rabidweezle | I linked them both ways :/ |
| 19:26.51 | rabidweezle | any mappers in? |
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| 19:38.48 | rabidweezle | is this syntax depreciated for a link of teleporter to teleporter? |
| 19:38.52 | rabidweezle | link |
| 19:38.52 | rabidweezle | #!name GREEN2 |
| 19:38.52 | rabidweezle | from 1 |
| 19:38.52 | rabidweezle | to 7 |
| 19:38.52 | rabidweezle | end |
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| 19:45.07 | JefferyM | rabidweezle, that does side to side |
| 19:46.02 | rabidweezle | ? |
| 19:46.06 | rabidweezle | side to side? |
| 19:46.33 | rabidweezle | oh, I see the proper syntax now in the wiki |
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| 19:54.43 | JefferyM | yeah teleporters have sides |
| 19:55.00 | JefferyM | you link one side of a TP to a side of another TP |
| 19:55.06 | JefferyM | not one full TP to another |
| 19:55.20 | JefferyM | a pair of fuly linked TPs needs 4 links |
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| 20:02.47 | gsnedders | Manu: Happy birthday! |
| 20:03.35 | Manu | thank you gsnedders :) |
| 20:03.55 | Manu | BTW, long time no see :) |
| 20:04.14 | gsnedders | Yeah, I've been rather busy recently :) |
| 20:04.48 | _WarPig_ | Just had a player on with an Ip in the private range (192.168.???.???). Possible to hack that in the client? |
| 20:05.14 | JefferyM | _WarPig_, you sure it wasn't the owner playing on another machine on the lan? |
| 20:05.43 | Manu | _WarPig_: no |
| 20:06.12 | _WarPig_ | He claimed to be. Another admin that knows the owner challenged him on it, and he logged off. |
| 20:06.43 | JefferyM | the server gets the IP from it's connection |
| 20:06.45 | _WarPig_ | Manu: I didn't think so. Was just checking. |
| 20:06.51 | JefferyM | so his server thought it was from that IP |
| 20:06.59 | JefferyM | it's possible his router may have reported that |
| 20:07.33 | _WarPig_ | He said he was local. I had a conversation with him about hosting his map yesterday, seemed legit to me. |
| 20:07.57 | Thumper_ | ~bzflist |
| 20:07.59 | _WarPig_ | The other admin was adamant that he could not be local. |
| 20:08.51 | JefferyM | if he was local then he was local |
| 20:09.01 | JefferyM | who is the server owner? |
| 20:09.21 | _WarPig_ | Was playing as 'watcher15' BZJP.ORG |
| 20:09.48 | _WarPig_ | I believed him, the other admin seeded doubt. |
| 20:09.50 | JefferyM | it's likely that the "admin" may have been mistaken, best to check with the real owner if you care enough. |
| 20:09.58 | JefferyM | admin != owner |
| 20:10.07 | _WarPig_ | understood. |
| 20:11.37 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03will07c5 * r19863 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (4 files in 3 dirs): |
| 20:11.37 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: * fixed bug where BZWParser::getValuesByKeys was returning the wrong value |
| 20:11.37 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: * pyramid now properly supports per face materials |
| 20:19.04 | JefferyM | blast007, how hard would it be to make a php page that tool a bzbb username and returned the BZID? |
| 20:23.26 | JefferyM | took, not tool :) |
| 20:23.42 | JefferyM | so that we can allow third party group systems to use BZID |
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| 20:37.09 | *** part/#bzflag LongDon (n=LongDon@host-091-097-035-128.ewe-ip-backbone.de) |
| 20:37.30 | rabidweezle | finishes the last 4 links to his map |
| 20:43.27 | rabidweezle | tests again hopefully with fixed links to all the teleports |
| 20:55.34 | blast007 | JefferyM: fairly trivial |
| 20:56.37 | blast007 | would be nice to review/plan our current website file structure first though ;) |
| 20:58.45 | blast007 | _WarPig_: afaik, that server is run from a home connection, so completely possible that there's someone playing from the LAN |
| 20:59.58 | blast007 | would be easy to check as well, since they would have really low lag compared to everyone else |
| 21:00.09 | blast007 | I haven't see anyone under 100ms on that server |
| 21:01.34 | blast007 | JefferyM: what kind of 3rd party system are you thinking of? |
| 21:01.55 | blast007 | might be useful to have more than just that. Do a full API. |
| 21:01.56 | _WarPig_ | blast007: He had terrible lag just like everyone else. The other admin told me he was a 'good friend' of the owner, and doubted he was legit. When the other admin challenged the player, he logged off without comment. |
| 21:02.38 | blast007 | _WarPig_: well, it's not really possible to spoof an IP address like that. You can't really have two-way communication if you do. |
| 21:04.06 | _WarPig_ | I know. I just wasn't sure where the server got the IP from. |
| 21:04.45 | blast007 | it's the IP that is being used for communication |
| 21:05.21 | _WarPig_ | understood. |
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| 21:11.40 | Think_Differentl | I'm wondering what would be the best way to have users submit maps for a monthly map rotation server? Any ideas? |
| 21:12.16 | blast007 | either email or some webform |
| 21:12.25 | blast007 | I'd recommend manual approval |
| 21:12.28 | Think_Differentl | hrm, webform sounds hard |
| 21:12.35 | Think_Differentl | I guess email then. |
| 21:12.53 | blast007 | just throw up a page with a template for what they need to provide |
| 21:13.00 | Think_Differentl | think it should be a random chosen map or "the best" as voted by users? |
| 21:13.10 | blast007 | up to you |
| 21:13.16 | Think_Differentl | heh, this is complex |
| 21:13.32 | blast007 | if you can actually get enough people to go to the site and vote, then do it by vote ;) |
| 21:13.55 | Think_Differentl | I was thinking about an in-game voting system |
| 21:13.59 | Think_Differentl | might have to write a plugin |
| 21:14.17 | blast007 | sounds like you'd want a web service then as well |
| 21:14.24 | blast007 | to track and display the votes |
| 21:14.58 | Think_Differentl | not nessisarily, just a plugin that could dump the yes and no votes to a file |
| 21:15.09 | blast007 | I suppose |
| 21:21.19 | Flash | Think_Differentl: silverfox had a wiki where people could put a map up |
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| 21:22.08 | Think_Differentl | hrm, do you have a link? |
| 21:22.27 | Flash | no, that was part of silvercat and that's been down for a while |
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| 21:23.32 | Flash | he had a rotation set up (that's easy to do) |
| 21:23.41 | Flash | one of the maps in the rotation was the wiki map |
| 21:26.57 | rabidweezle | how do I setup my server for only 2 teams? |
| 21:27.22 | brad | use the -mp option |
| 21:27.27 | brad | ~bzmp |
| 21:27.28 | ibot | rogue, red, green, blue, purple, observer |
| 21:27.59 | rabidweezle | -mp green,red ? |
| 21:28.02 | brad | -mp 0,4,4,0,0,10 = 4 red/green, 10 observer |
| 21:28.42 | rabidweezle | ty |
| 21:30.18 | rabidweezle | can observer's fight? |
| 21:30.48 | JefferyM | if they could fight, they'd be playing |
| 21:30.55 | rabidweezle | lol |
| 21:31.04 | rabidweezle | k |
| 21:33.21 | rabidweezle | tests the scripts and map changes |
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| 22:12.27 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v spldart] by ChanServ |
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| 22:41.36 | rabidweezle | do people dig team deathmatch or ctf more? |
| 22:44.58 | rabidweezle | omg... my console says I have crabs... |
| 22:45.17 | rabidweezle | ^Crabidweezle@rabidweezle64:~/Desktop$ ./bzflagsvr-mymap |
| 22:48.14 | blast007 | on a lot of CTF servers, people still play like it's FFA |
| 22:48.25 | blast007 | they worry about their personal score |
| 22:50.00 | spldart | I'm a ctf / rabbit hunt kinda guy. Almost ffa here. |
| 22:50.03 | JefferyM | rabidweezle, how old are you? |
| 22:50.15 | spldart | Most of my maps have been ctf as well |
| 22:50.17 | rabidweezle | 27 |
| 22:50.35 | JefferyM | wow |
| 22:50.38 | spldart | gets back to diggin |
| 22:50.39 | JefferyM | you act like you are 10 |
| 22:50.57 | rabidweezle | sorry jeff, I will tone it down |
| 22:52.57 | rabidweezle | btw, I noticed the bad language filter on the server wasn't working |
| 22:53.28 | rabidweezle | anyone have a library of obscenity I can borrow? |
| 22:53.34 | JefferyM | "the" server? |
| 22:53.41 | JefferyM | there is only one? |
| 22:53.51 | JefferyM | there is a sample file in the source tree |
| 22:53.57 | rabidweezle | ty |
| 22:54.04 | JefferyM | that's not a word ;) |
| 22:54.16 | rabidweezle | picky picky :) |
| 22:54.22 | JefferyM | not really |
| 22:54.34 | JefferyM | I just prefer to see people communciate like adults |
| 22:54.57 | rabidweezle | I communicated like an adult long enough in the army, I'm on vacation |
| 22:55.14 | rabidweezle | you can call it childish, I call it freedom |
| 22:55.32 | JefferyM | freedom dosn't give you the right to impose your morals on us ;) |
| 22:55.43 | JefferyM | please use real worlds here |
| 22:55.50 | JefferyM | typo's and the like are fine |
| 22:55.58 | JefferyM | but that crap AIM speak is anoying |
| 22:56.25 | rabidweezle | nods nods nods and nods some more |
| 22:56.30 | JefferyM | hmm.. did we remove the badwords sample that was in misc? |
| 22:56.55 | Bambino_ | To many kids were reading it :) |
| 22:57.01 | rabidweezle | doesn't know has he used the ubuntu repo version, and not the version on the svn or cvs |
| 22:57.04 | JefferyM | that may be possible |
| 22:57.41 | JefferyM | ahh there it is, simpleSwearList.txt |
| 22:57.45 | JefferyM | it's in the /misc dir |
| 22:57.52 | rabidweezle | k |
| 22:58.06 | blast007 | I usually take out all except the english words |
| 22:58.14 | rabidweezle | I mean, okay JefferyM I will check that out. Thank you very much sir. |
| 22:58.21 | JefferyM | k is fine |
| 22:58.24 | blast007 | there was some other word in there that was getting triggered, and I never took the time to figure out which one |
| 22:58.25 | JefferyM | it's common enough |
| 22:58.52 | JefferyM | wtf is Template.cxx and Template.h doing in /misc? |
| 22:59.07 | JefferyM | ahh for new files |
| 22:59.23 | rabidweezle | looks for the misc folder... |
| 22:59.33 | rabidweezle | it's not /usr/share/bzflag... |
| 22:59.36 | blast007 | rabidweezle: you'll need the source |
| 22:59.38 | rabidweezle | ooh |
| 22:59.47 | rabidweezle | hops on the website |
| 22:59.59 | JefferyM | thats why I said the source tree |
| 23:00.43 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19864 10/trunk/bzflag/misc/ (9 files in 2 dirs): move maps into a subdir, because we ship more then one these days. |
| 23:01.40 | blast007 | heh, some of the scripts in misc/ still use CVS ;) |
| 23:03.06 | rabidweezle | pulls the svn |
| 23:04.25 | rabidweezle | surprised no one tried to port this to any of the consoles... |
| 23:04.40 | JefferyM | we can't and keep it open source |
| 23:04.49 | rabidweezle | as in homebrew |
| 23:04.52 | blast007 | whoops, guess I was looking at v2_0branch instead of trunk |
| 23:04.56 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19865 10/trunk/bzflag/misc/ (35 files in 4 dirs): move webauth, sample files, and query scripts to subdirs for clarity. |
| 23:05.00 | JefferyM | we could not legaly distribute that |
| 23:05.20 | rabidweezle | as long as it's not built with official tools it's legal |
| 23:05.24 | JefferyM | it would not be cool to violate another software copyright for us |
| 23:05.28 | JefferyM | no it's not |
| 23:05.39 | JefferyM | if we did it, we'd do it right |
| 23:05.44 | JefferyM | you'd need a moded console to do it |
| 23:05.54 | JefferyM | also it would not be a port |
| 23:06.00 | JefferyM | but a complete rewrite |
| 23:06.11 | JefferyM | trust me, it's been discussed MANY times |
| 23:06.25 | blast007 | tried to compile it on his PS2 |
| 23:06.28 | blast007 | failed horribly ;) |
| 23:06.30 | JefferyM | that was linux |
| 23:06.33 | blast007 | yeah |
| 23:06.48 | blast007 | the PS3 might be okay |
| 23:06.50 | JefferyM | that should actualy be easy to work |
| 23:06.52 | rabidweezle | legally bzflag has been ported to ps3 through legal linux supported by sony |
| 23:06.53 | rabidweezle | :) |
| 23:07.04 | JefferyM | yeah but that's not a console port |
| 23:07.09 | JefferyM | thats linux on a console |
| 23:07.09 | rabidweezle | pretty much |
| 23:07.11 | JefferyM | different thing |
| 23:07.12 | blast007 | rabidweezle: except they don't have 3D acceleration on linux on the PS3 |
| 23:07.17 | rabidweezle | and it runs dirt slow |
| 23:07.24 | JefferyM | yeah cus it's all software |
| 23:07.42 | JefferyM | a port means you change the code to make it run nativly |
| 23:07.46 | blast007 | with the PS2, I think they've actually got some access to the hardware rendering now |
| 23:08.00 | JefferyM | or change it so that it can be made to work on the platform. we already support liunux as a platform. |
| 23:08.01 | blast007 | but I don't think there's a true OpenGL port for it |
| 23:08.07 | JefferyM | it'd be hard |
| 23:08.18 | JefferyM | you'd have to implement a lot of shader code |
| 23:08.25 | rabidweezle | the xbox has legal now thanks to cromwell opensource bios and sdl xbox libraries |
| 23:08.37 | JefferyM | rabidweezle, on a moded xbox |
| 23:08.38 | rabidweezle | with the open xdk |
| 23:08.50 | rabidweezle | modded with legal bios is still legal :) |
| 23:08.51 | JefferyM | have at it then, let me know when you are done ;) |
| 23:09.03 | JefferyM | we don't use SDL for rendering |
| 23:09.03 | rabidweezle | I'm not saying you guys should do it |
| 23:09.11 | Think_Differentl | heh. i see that C++ is indeed quite different from java |
| 23:09.24 | Think_Differentl | maybe this plugin will take a bit longer than I thought |
| 23:09.32 | JefferyM | what are you trying to do? |
| 23:09.43 | rabidweezle | that's for someone who actually still cares about the old xbox. I'm just saying there's finally a legal alternative |
| 23:09.52 | JefferyM | blast007, did you see my comment about an api to get the bzid for any givven callsign? |
| 23:10.02 | blast007 | yes, did you see my response? ;) |
| 23:10.05 | JefferyM | no :) |
| 23:10.24 | JefferyM | I had a meeting, and someone pushed the scrollback up high |
| 23:10.29 | Think_Differentl | JefferyM, basically, a simple voting system of yes or no and only allows a player to vote once |
| 23:10.37 | Think_Differentl | and dump the yes and no votes to a file |
| 23:10.42 | blast007 | JefferyM: k, 1 sec |
| 23:10.44 | JefferyM | Think_Differentl that should be pretty easy |
| 23:10.45 | blast007 | I'll PM ya |
| 23:10.47 | JefferyM | k |
| 23:10.52 | JefferyM | think |
| 23:10.53 | Think_Differentl | yeah, although the API is a bit confusing |
| 23:11.06 | JefferyM | Think_Differentl, that's mostly just C code |
| 23:11.12 | JefferyM | what part of it confuses you? |
| 23:11.25 | Think_Differentl | I don't really see how everything works |
| 23:11.36 | Think_Differentl | I've been looking at plugins |
| 23:11.46 | Think_Differentl | but frankly, I have no experience with C++ |
| 23:11.58 | Think_Differentl | or C |
| 23:12.06 | JefferyM | the basics should be similar to java |
| 23:12.11 | JefferyM | other then how memory works |
| 23:12.22 | JefferyM | but the functions and callbacks are pretty basic |
| 23:12.28 | Think_Differentl | yeah, I get that |
| 23:12.59 | Think_Differentl | but I'm not quite sure about the argument for a custom slash command ingame |
| 23:13.41 | JefferyM | there is an args list that is sent to the callback IIRC |
| 23:15.48 | JefferyM | do you want the parmaters broken up by spaces or as one long string? |
| 23:17.35 | Think_Differentl | there would only be one parameter, yes or no |
| 23:18.40 | JefferyM | can that parmater have spaces? |
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| 23:23.39 | Think_Differentl | JefferyM, I don't think so |
| 23:23.55 | JefferyM | if someone types a space do you just want the part before the space? |
| 23:24.20 | JefferyM | if so then just use the first item of the param list ( last item passed to you in the callback) |
| 23:24.25 | Think_Differentl | well, I guess |
| 23:24.37 | JefferyM | of you want the enire line then just use the second item in the callback |
| 23:24.40 | JefferyM | that's the entire thing |
| 23:24.58 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03wyk3d * r19866 10/branches/gsoc_bzauthd/ (22 files in 12 dirs): |
| 23:24.58 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: Fixed/added makefiles. |
| 23:24.58 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: Fixed compile errors/warnings. |
| 23:24.58 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: More work on configure.ac. |
| 23:25.31 | Wyk3d1 | client and server compiled on linux :) |
| 23:25.56 | Wyk3d1 | (with libs takes externally) |
| 23:26.38 | Wyk3d1 | *taken |
| 23:27.07 | JefferyM | cool |
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| 23:27.25 | JefferyM | Wyk3d1, what do you think about maybe making the group system external to the auth system Wyk3d1 ? |
| 23:27.29 | Wyk3d1 | could someone check the --enable-bzauthd option ? the daemon should be opt-in but it keeps getting built anyway |
| 23:27.36 | JefferyM | and just having it use the bzID in it's own database |
| 23:27.58 | JefferyM | or does it make sense to keep it in LDAP? |
| 23:30.13 | Wyk3d1 | well .. it could be separate i suppose |
| 23:30.36 | JefferyM | it's just I was thinking about what it would take to do my own group manager with the current codebase |
| 23:30.39 | JefferyM | and it woudln't take much |
| 23:31.00 | JefferyM | as long as I have the BZID of a user, I could hit an external system and see what group they are in |
| 23:31.01 | Wyk3d1 | it CAN be stored in ldap .. |
| 23:31.13 | JefferyM | how hard is it to store and maintain in ldap tho? |
| 23:31.28 | blast007 | easier than in a MySQL database ;) |
| 23:31.28 | Wyk3d1 | harder i guess than a database |
| 23:31.34 | blast007 | harder? |
| 23:31.50 | blast007 | guess I don't understand that |
| 23:31.51 | Wyk3d1 | harder because you have a one to many relationship |
| 23:32.11 | blast007 | doesn't the LDAP do that all for you? |
| 23:34.13 | Wyk3d1 | not that i'm aware of |
| 23:34.27 | blast007 | k, I'm not following then |
| 23:34.52 | blast007 | are you saying that you can't query the LDAP database to see what groups a user is a member of? |
| 23:35.47 | Wyk3d1 | you have an isMemberOf attribute |
| 23:36.05 | Wyk3d1 | you get the value of that and you have all the groups |
| 23:37.31 | JefferyM | well the disadvantage of a mysql database is that it'd be harder to split over multiple servers |
| 23:37.53 | JefferyM | but we would have the advantage of being able to just have a group server if we wanted, and that could have less load then the list server |
| 23:38.17 | JefferyM | the only times it'd have to hit auth would be when someone edits a group |
| 23:38.56 | blast007 | still doesn't see an advantage there |
| 23:39.06 | JefferyM | there may not be one |
| 23:39.35 | JefferyM | there had been some discussion about how groups would be "interesting" in ldap, so I figured i'd throw that out there |
| 23:39.54 | JefferyM | we know that the group manager is going to have to have a database for some of it's own data ( who can add/remove etc..) |
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| 23:41.04 | blast007 | true |
| 23:41.11 | blast007 | though there might be a way to do that in LDAP as well |
| 23:41.16 | JefferyM | maybe |
| 23:41.22 | blast007 | I know at least for Active Directory, you can delegate control |
| 23:42.01 | blast007 | http://geekswithblogs.net/Lance/archive/2007/08/02/ldap---search-for-group-members.aspx |
| 23:42.21 | JefferyM | well I'll leave it for you guys to work out then :) |
| 23:43.07 | blast007 | I've only used AD, so my information might be way off when talking about OpenLDAP ;) |
| 23:44.11 | JefferyM | for my uses a private database is more desirable |
| 23:44.33 | JefferyM | but that's indpdendent of what global does |
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| 23:49.07 | Wyk3d1 | blast007: that is good if you want to list users who have that privilege .. normally you'd just auth the user, get its groups and their privileges and there you'd find any admin rights ? |
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| 23:50.37 | blast007 | Wyk3d1: the bzfs server currently asks the list server "is this user a member of these groups?" |
| 23:50.46 | blast007 | since it only cares about the ones that it assigns permissions to |
| 23:51.55 | JefferyM | that's actualy a requirement |
| 23:52.04 | JefferyM | a server should not be able to list a users groups |
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| 23:53.35 | Wyk3d1 | a server should not, but the server doesn't use ldap |
| 23:53.42 | JefferyM | k |
| 23:53.49 | JefferyM | well that's all a server will ask for then |
| 23:54.33 | Wyk3d1 | the daemon has the right to get the all the groups i suppose, and it seems more efficient to compare the list of actual groups with the set of required groups |
| 23:59.49 | Wyk3d1 | btw what harm could a server do with the list of the user's groups ? |