| 00:04.05 | Think_Differentl | TD-Linux, yeah, i got a setup with vd |
| 00:04.09 | Think_Differentl | sorry I was away |
| 00:04.32 | JeffM | how is it? |
| 00:04.49 | Think_Differentl | great so far. quite fast (i'm running a few CS:S servers and a sv_cheats 1 L4D server) |
| 00:05.07 | Think_Differentl | I got the option with a 100Mbps / 3TB per month |
| 00:05.13 | Think_Differentl | the regular is a 10mbps unmetered |
| 00:05.18 | JeffM | it's further away form me then my current host, I wonder how the pings will be affects |
| 00:05.22 | JeffM | effected |
| 00:05.31 | JeffM | do you have an address I coudl test ping? |
| 00:05.31 | Think_Differentl | JeffM, you can ping my server if you want. |
| 00:05.35 | Think_Differentl | yeah |
| 00:05.36 | Think_Differentl | oahin.com |
| 00:06.13 | Think_Differentl | I can set up a bzfs real quck if you want. |
| 00:06.16 | JeffM | naw |
| 00:06.21 | JeffM | I don't run bzfs on my machine |
| 00:06.35 | JeffM | yeah your pings are a little better then mine |
| 00:06.52 | JeffM | even better then .bz |
| 00:06.54 | JeffM | that's pretty good |
| 00:07.02 | Think_Differentl | I think the datacenter is in new york |
| 00:07.16 | JeffM | I'm in florida right now |
| 00:07.25 | JeffM | how do they handle billing? |
| 00:07.27 | Think_Differentl | I'm in DC |
| 00:07.35 | JeffM | I mean my datacenter is in florida |
| 00:07.38 | Think_Differentl | not sure, only had it for less than a month. I don't manage the billing. |
| 00:07.39 | JeffM | I'm in CA personaly |
| 00:07.49 | JeffM | how did they bill you for the first month? |
| 00:07.50 | Think_Differentl | we pay via paypal though. |
| 00:07.53 | JeffM | ahh ok |
| 00:07.56 | JeffM | that's nice |
| 00:07.58 | Think_Differentl | 55/mo, up front |
| 00:08.01 | JeffM | k |
| 00:08.11 | Think_Differentl | I think you pay for the upcoming month |
| 00:08.13 | JeffM | I'll have to see if they have any more of those after the 1st |
| 00:08.23 | JeffM | having the money isn't a problem for me |
| 00:08.28 | JeffM | just how they go about getting it |
| 00:08.28 | Think_Differentl | yeah, we got the last one, although we asked before and they said they were getting more. |
| 00:08.35 | JeffM | k |
| 00:08.52 | JeffM | I could possibly go with the X2 system, or the quad |
| 00:08.52 | Think_Differentl | I pool the money with 2 others, so we end up paying about $20 each. |
| 00:09.08 | JeffM | the quad is 5$ more a month then we pay now |
| 00:09.43 | Think_Differentl | I'd ask if they can give you the 100mbps connection on the quad. |
| 00:10.04 | JeffM | I am a little worried about the fact that the TOS says no IRC |
| 00:10.09 | Think_Differentl | since maxing out the 10mbps unmetered brings about 3TB/mo, might as well just get the 100MBps |
| 00:10.27 | Think_Differentl | JeffM, I'd ask them first, they've been really nice about that kind of stuff. |
| 00:10.41 | JeffM | the benifit of the 10meg is the fact that no mater what happens, you can't get overcharged for bandwith |
| 00:11.04 | Think_Differentl | Oh, and also, the support email responds in about 20 minutes or less. We had a DNS issue and they emailed us back saying it was getting fixed in about 15 minutes. |
| 00:11.20 | JeffM | we handle our own DNS externaly |
| 00:11.26 | JeffM | what OSs did they offer? |
| 00:11.38 | Think_Differentl | not quite sure, we went with debian 5.0 |
| 00:11.53 | Think_Differentl | I think w2003 and 2008 are 10 or 20/mo extra. |
| 00:12.02 | JeffM | we are on BSD now |
| 00:12.10 | JeffM | pondering going to a linux distro |
| 00:12.34 | Think_Differentl | the quad page says they do BSD |
| 00:12.48 | Think_Differentl | you could probably just ask them to install what you want. |
| 00:12.49 | JeffM | I'm just maxed out on ram and CPU now, we use squat for bandwith. |
| 00:13.35 | Think_Differentl | we've barely used much of our CPUs, but I think running srcds isn't quite the same as what you do. |
| 00:14.01 | JeffM | DTRemenak had us using over 100% of the CPU when he was running NWN servers :) |
| 00:14.10 | Think_Differentl | heh |
| 00:14.46 | Think_Differentl | what kind of CPU do you guys have? |
| 00:14.52 | JeffM | 2.4 gig p4 |
| 00:15.03 | Think_Differentl | I think the 2.2GHz opteron is about the same as a 3GHz P4 |
| 00:15.13 | JeffM | yes they are similar |
| 00:15.47 | JeffM | we are pretty sure we are just a blade in a cluster right now |
| 00:17.14 | Think_Differentl | 55/mo for a dual opteron is pretty cheap |
| 00:17.19 | JeffM | very |
| 00:17.21 | Think_Differentl | no uptime problems |
| 00:17.33 | blast007 | that's less than I pay for a Celeron :P |
| 00:17.34 | JeffM | that's actualy cheaper then we pay now |
| 00:17.44 | Think_Differentl | people on counter-strike have been asking us how much we pay for our dedicated and we can't tell them ;) |
| 00:17.59 | JeffM | why can't you? |
| 00:18.35 | Think_Differentl | well, they don't exactly like us to much due to some conflicts, and they're paying lots of money now for some VPS-type CS:S servers |
| 00:19.24 | Think_Differentl | one problem with VD I've had though is the phone number doesn't always work. |
| 00:19.33 | Think_Differentl | I'd email them first. |
| 00:19.57 | JeffM | I've never had to call sagonet, even to setup service |
| 00:20.41 | Think_Differentl | we were trying to call them to ask them about buying, and the phone number redirected to a cell phone number |
| 00:21.01 | JeffM | was it after hours? |
| 00:21.24 | Think_Differentl | yeah, I think so. |
| 00:21.39 | JeffM | probably for emergency stuff then |
| 00:25.30 | Think_Differentl | I guess |
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| 00:57.23 | a_meteorite | Think_Differentl: yeah as I said.. their phone support isn't really that great |
| 00:57.29 | a_meteorite | but e-mail support completely rocks |
| 00:57.39 | a_meteorite | pre-sales is meh, but they really take care of ya once you get a server |
| 00:58.42 | a_meteorite | JeffM: and actually all the servers are in burst.net in Pennsylvania, only the expensive ones are in NYC |
| 00:58.44 | a_meteorite | unless that changed |
| 01:01.46 | Think_Differentl | I think ours is in new york. |
| 01:02.00 | Think_Differentl | do you know the name of the DC in ny? |
| 01:02.10 | a_meteorite | I mostly worked with Josh B, great guy |
| 01:02.12 | a_meteorite | tell 'em bzmeteorite@gmail.com referred them ;) |
| 01:02.14 | a_meteorite | *you |
| 01:02.17 | a_meteorite | Think_Differentl: uhh.. let me look |
| 01:02.50 | a_meteorite | Think_Differentl: it's DataGram |
| 01:03.08 | a_meteorite | I'm pretty sure only the expensive $100+ servers are available in NYC, unless that did change |
| 01:03.14 | Think_Differentl | our server is in a cl-number subnet |
| 01:03.16 | a_meteorite | it's a nice facility, but we were in BurstNET in PA and it was great |
| 01:03.22 | a_meteorite | yeah, same here, cl |
| 01:03.44 | a_meteorite | ours was cl-166 :) |
| 01:04.07 | Think_Differentl | we worked with Josh too |
| 01:04.16 | a_meteorite | Great guy, eh |
| 01:04.45 | a_meteorite | oh, and yeah, I ran into that IRC question too.. it doesn't look like it was answered in my sales questions. we never ran IRC so that's why it never came up after that. |
| 01:05.22 | a_meteorite | I'm thinking they're like most hosts where they don't really care as long as it's not illegal and as long as you don't get DoS'd (IRC are popular targets I understand). better ask first to make sure though. |
| 01:07.48 | a_meteorite | they put it in a lower CPU at first than what I ordered, I let them know and they let me use the server ~2 weeks free of charge until they got the right CP |
| 01:07.52 | a_meteorite | *right CPU |
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| 01:57.56 | TD-Linux | I got a dumb idea |
| 01:58.04 | TD-Linux | to prove how little cpu bzfs uses |
| 01:58.14 | TD-Linux | I could port it to the most underpowered device I can think of that has networking |
| 01:58.16 | TD-Linux | my DS :D |
| 01:58.25 | a_meteorite | WRT54GL |
| 01:58.27 | a_meteorite | GO! |
| 01:59.17 | a_meteorite | oh, the DS is even more underpowered. oh boy. |
| 01:59.27 | Think_Differentl | a_meteorite, I just bought one, you could probably make a package via ipkg |
| 01:59.33 | Think_Differentl | although that would require openwrt |
| 01:59.38 | Think_Differentl | or a modded ddwrt |
| 01:59.41 | a_meteorite | probably |
| 01:59.53 | Think_Differentl | how big is bzfs? |
| 02:00.12 | a_meteorite | I'm not sure exactly |
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| 02:18.35 | JeffM_ | Bambino, 1) do you really need an ad in your sig? and 2) did that stuff happen when you relaunched BZ? |
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| 02:21.55 | short_circuit | No problem with linux but winderze is kicking out a "Error 2 fatal error C1083: Cannot open source file: '..\..\src\bzflag\playing.cxx': No such file or directoryc1xx" |
| 02:22.59 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r19832 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/build/bzflag.vcproj: Update the project file. |
| 02:25.07 | spldart | and that has it fixededed |
| 02:25.17 | spldart | :~) |
| 02:25.36 | blast007 | ;) |
| 02:25.53 | blast007 | I actually had that commit window sitting here for a few hours, but TV kept distracting me |
| 02:26.30 | spldart | hehe |
| 02:26.59 | spldart | My new laptop has stolen most of my attention this weekend... have spike tv sitting 3 inches to the left of it though |
| 02:44.47 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r19833 10/trunk/bzflag/ (9 files in 6 dirs): Add a message type byte for MsgMessage. The /me action messages are no longer a cheap hack. Prevents message spoofing. |
| 03:06.33 | Bambino | JeffM: I guess it was a one time thing with the rogue team. About the ad, I didn't add it for the intention of advertising |
| 03:07.07 | Bambino | I simply love longboarding |
| 03:19.21 | JeffM_ | it maks your sig rather long, and is a little out of place |
| 03:27.03 | Bambino | edits his sig |
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| 03:42.31 | TD-Linux | I run dd-wrt |
| 03:42.36 | TD-Linux | I plan on running bzfs on it |
| 03:42.50 | TD-Linux | or switching to openwrt first, possibly |
| 03:42.57 | TD-Linux | the bzfs binary is really small |
| 03:43.19 | TD-Linux | dd-wrt has no package manager so you'd just have to slap the binary somewhere in jffs2 |
| 03:52.53 | Think_Differentl | TD-Linux, I think you can install ipkg on ddwrt |
| 03:53.17 | Think_Differentl | http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Ipkg |
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| 04:00.42 | Ebert | im not used to windows, can someone tell me a way to resize the Bzflag client while windowed |
| 04:01.22 | Ebert | using mouse doesnt work, changing resolution stretches it into my 2 screens |
| 04:07.25 | blast007 | you can't |
| 04:07.54 | blast007 | you have to start it in the size you want, by passing -window -geometry 640x480, replacing the resolution there with what you want |
| 04:08.30 | a_meteorite | I think I can on OS X |
| 04:09.07 | blast007 | he's trying on Windows, so my response was based on that. |
| 04:09.21 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 04:09.27 | a_meteorite | didn't know if it applied there |
| 04:09.39 | blast007 | Might be an SDL feature. Windows doesn't use SDL. |
| 04:09.45 | blast007 | OSX and Linux typically does |
| 04:13.06 | Ebert | yea i use osx and its easy |
| 04:13.47 | Ebert | another reason to boot back to it.. thanks guys |
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| 05:00.04 | BulletCatcher | Well, that's annoying. After several hours of looking at the "stuck in teleporter" problem on the LaserMania map (x86_64 is good, x86_32 is not) I did an x86 build with --enable-debug and that made the problem go away. |
| 05:01.38 | BulletCatcher | The good news is that I should be able to isolate the problem by compiling various parts with and without debugging enabled. |
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| 06:04.08 | a_meteorite | BulletCatcher: I thought debug only added symbols? (apparently more than that) |
| 06:10.08 | JeffM_ | it does more then that |
| 06:10.11 | blast007 | a_meteorite: different optimizations too |
| 06:10.17 | JeffM_ | none |
| 06:10.23 | JeffM_ | it also inits all memory to 0 |
| 06:10.30 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 06:10.31 | JeffM_ | instead of random |
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| 06:43.41 | Pimpi | JeffM_: would that mean an uninitializised variable might act differently with debug than without? |
| 06:43.53 | JeffM_ | bingo |
| 06:45.07 | Pimpi | that knowledge would have saved me days of debugginh in the past |
| 06:45.25 | JeffM_ | well that's at leat what windows does |
| 06:45.35 | JeffM_ | I assume gcc does debug_new as well |
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| 10:30.57 | Wyk3d | blast007: what trunk rev did you merge ? |
| 10:32.14 | Wyk3d | i'd like to make a note of it in the commit message, btw i resolved the conflicts, subcommander is pretty cool |
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| 15:27.44 | blast007 | Wyk3d: 'svn info' shows r19831 |
| 15:33.31 | AAA_awright | blast007: If bzfs is the only application that can send the tab character, how do you 'spoof' messages? |
| 15:33.54 | AAA_awright | Well, 2.1 at least |
| 15:34.41 | blast007 | AAA_awright: why would you assume that only bzfs can send tab characters? |
| 15:34.46 | blast007 | you can mod a client to send a tab |
| 15:35.35 | AAA_awright | iirc (guess not) bzfs was fixed to filter that |
| 15:36.11 | blast007 | I had a reaaaaly cheap hack in v2_0branch to fix it |
| 15:36.14 | AAA_awright | Clients shouldn't send control or whitespace (except the space, x20) |
| 15:36.39 | blast007 | patches welcome |
| 15:36.43 | AAA_awright | That was for 2.0, 2.1 had something more elegant |
| 15:36.56 | AAA_awright | Again, iirc |
| 15:37.06 | blast007 | I really didn't check, and it didn't matter much anyway |
| 15:37.09 | AAA_awright | k |
| 15:37.20 | blast007 | I was gonna fix /me anyway, cuz it sucked |
| 15:37.30 | blast007 | much cleaner now |
| 15:39.06 | AAA_awright | Doesn't bzfs check for "/me " before it checks for a general function? |
| 15:39.12 | AAA_awright | er, slash command? |
| 15:39.30 | AAA_awright | I'll look into that |
| 15:46.15 | blast007 | yes |
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| 16:03.43 | tobylane | blast or any other missile wars admin? |
| 16:04.02 | blast007 | tobylane: hi |
| 16:04.15 | tobylane | lunisk is abusing his teammate in chat, and i did an unsuccessful poll after one tk, then he did five more right after it failed and i cant vote again |
| 16:05.49 | blast007 | why would you poll someone for one tk? |
| 16:06.38 | tobylane | it was cleary delib and he was annoying |
| 16:11.42 | tobylane | for this map im not sure ho |
| 16:11.46 | tobylane | oops |
| 16:12.19 | tobylane | how people should spawn, wether it be inside the pyramid, or on some ring halfway up the pyramid with some black belt you cant see into around it |
| 16:18.10 | blast007 | what? |
| 16:18.34 | tobylane | i'll just do both and give it out for critism |
| 16:22.13 | blast007 | wonders if some context was missing there... |
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| 16:55.15 | JPT | is somebody available who can take care of pms? |
| 16:55.53 | JefferyM | what exactly tod you mean? |
| 16:55.57 | JefferyM | do |
| 16:56.00 | JefferyM | not tod :) |
| 16:56.14 | JPT | my account "JPTLOG2" just recieved a spam pm... |
| 16:56.22 | JefferyM | so delete it |
| 16:56.29 | JefferyM | who was it from? |
| 16:56.39 | JPT | gensurik |
| 16:56.53 | JPT | you might want to know what's the content of the message.. |
| 16:56.56 | JefferyM | what was it about? |
| 16:57.12 | JPT | there was just a link to a page which is creating phpbb2-accounts... |
| 16:57.20 | JPT | by letting humans crack the captchas |
| 16:57.25 | JefferyM | fun |
| 16:57.34 | JPT | i don't think that's fun^^ |
| 16:57.40 | JefferyM | it was a joke |
| 16:57.45 | JPT | ? |
| 16:57.53 | JefferyM | nevermind |
| 16:57.58 | JPT | :-D |
| 16:58.05 | JefferyM | and people say I have no humor |
| 16:58.28 | JPT | well.. i just think i have to report this because usual spam is not as bad as this stuff |
| 16:58.38 | JefferyM | spam is spam |
| 16:58.51 | JefferyM | not much we can do if they are using meat to crack the logins |
| 16:59.01 | JPT | yeah... |
| 16:59.09 | JPT | okay^^ |
| 16:59.19 | JefferyM | well there is one thing we can do but it's harder to implment |
| 16:59.28 | JefferyM | no posting untill you've loged in with the game at least once. |
| 16:59.53 | JPT | that would be too hard.. |
| 17:00.02 | JefferyM | I would not say too hard |
| 17:00.07 | JefferyM | just harder then what we do now |
| 17:00.10 | JPT | also, i think this page is creating accounts in several different phpbbs |
| 17:00.16 | JefferyM | probably |
| 17:00.39 | JPT | well.... i reported it... you've to manage it ;) |
| 17:04.19 | JefferyM | best thing would be to move all registrations to the game, then disable phpbb reg all together |
| 17:06.22 | BulletCatcher | The most persistent spammers would figure out how to use bzrobots. |
| 17:06.50 | JPT | well.... there is no way to stop spam... |
| 17:06.59 | JefferyM | indeed |
| 17:07.11 | War | ...and there is no way to stop pms |
| 17:07.22 | JefferyM | moving it to the game just makes it harder for existing scripts to be adapted |
| 17:07.28 | War | ..else I'd like to indtrduce you to my wife. |
| 17:07.44 | JefferyM | can't stop it, but you can make it hard enough for most spamers to not bother |
| 17:07.48 | JefferyM | just for a single board |
| 17:08.00 | JPT | even i wrote a simple script that was able to pass a captcha to the user who wanted to create himself an invitation to a board... you can just make things complicate, but they always will be cracked somehow |
| 17:08.22 | JPT | +d |
| 17:08.30 | JefferyM | thats why I want to use the game, if it has to come from the game, you can't just pass that to a user, they'd have to install and run bzflag |
| 17:08.36 | JefferyM | a much harder thing to script ;) |
| 17:08.41 | JPT | hehe |
| 17:08.43 | JPT | true^^ |
| 17:09.05 | JefferyM | and it still lets us keep our intended audience |
| 17:10.11 | JefferyM | also in game reg can help with our cheating problem, since it's a lot easier for a server to require registration if the game can do it right then and there. |
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| 17:12.12 | JPT | true |
| 17:12.50 | JPT | but what's about the people who just want to peacefully discuss in the board and not install the game at all? ;) |
| 17:13.06 | JefferyM | they go to another board |
| 17:13.13 | JefferyM | cus that's not what ours is for |
| 17:13.26 | JPT | k^^ |
| 17:13.56 | JefferyM | if you arn't willing to launch the game at least ONCE, I don't see why you need to post on our fourms. |
| 17:14.08 | JefferyM | the only thing I can thuink of could be a help fourm |
| 17:14.18 | JefferyM | but that can be insulated. |
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| 17:47.58 | BulletCatcher | The LaserMania teleporter problem is fixed by using the debug version of libClientBase with non-debug code everywhere else. That narrows it down to 17000 lines of code in 63 files. |
| 17:48.19 | Thumper_ | heh |
| 17:48.52 | JefferyM | BulletCatcher, is your debuger set to init memory to 0? |
| 17:49.05 | Thumper_ | the fastMath compiler switch is history right? |
| 17:49.07 | JefferyM | and are you using fastmath? |
| 17:49.11 | JefferyM | it should be |
| 17:49.18 | JefferyM | but tha'ts what I'm thinking, maybe it's still on |
| 17:49.18 | BulletCatcher | No fastmath. |
| 17:49.35 | JefferyM | it's ether mem init or optimizations |
| 17:49.52 | BulletCatcher | My bet is on optimization. |
| 17:49.57 | JefferyM | probably |
| 17:50.23 | JefferyM | I'd look for code that is doing == on floats |
| 17:51.25 | BulletCatcher | I also discovered that the combination of non-debug version of libClientBase and debug version of libGame causes both the client and server to segfault. I am saving that one for later. |
| 17:51.51 | JefferyM | well that's not really a valid use case :) |
| 17:52.16 | BulletCatcher | It's not normal, but the client shouldn't be able to crash the server. |
| 17:52.49 | JefferyM | you sure it's the client, or the lib that is shared between them? |
| 17:53.22 | BulletCatcher | This showed up using a server that was compiled entirely without debug. |
| 17:53.29 | JefferyM | ahh |
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| 17:55.12 | BulletCatcher | One server crash complained about a double free. I assume that it won't be too hard to isolate with the debugger. |
| 17:55.30 | JefferyM | valgrind ;) |
| 17:56.07 | BulletCatcher | That's more for memory that isn't free'd at all, isn't it? |
| 17:56.17 | JefferyM | it can do both |
| 17:56.20 | BulletCatcher | k |
| 17:56.23 | Thumper_ | BulletCatcher: it'll catch that case |
| 17:56.25 | JefferyM | it's for all memory related 'stuff' |
| 17:56.28 | Thumper_ | is too slow |
| 17:56.32 | BulletCatcher | I have it, just haven't used it. |
| 18:01.25 | BulletCatcher | There is some use of -ffast-math in the non-debug compilation after all, but it looks like it is just in plugins (which I am not testing with). |
| 18:01.50 | JefferyM | probably shoudl turn it off for them too |
| 18:02.20 | BulletCatcher | Yeah. |
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| 18:15.33 | Thumper_ | turns off the plugin fast-math build |
| 18:19.35 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03bthansen * r19834 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/configure.ac: |
| 18:19.35 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: Remove -ffast-math for plugin builds |
| 18:19.35 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: -ffast-math is history so remove it from plugins too |
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| 18:52.13 | Will07c5 | so I should get started for the week on bzworkbench |
| 18:52.39 | Thumper_ | Is it Friday yet? |
| 18:53.46 | Will07c5 | this week I have implementing the missing functionality in the menus, which in itself is maybe 10 minutes work but I'm sure there is still work to be done on the backend |
| 18:53.58 | Will07c5 | 4 more days :P |
| 19:01.20 | Will07c5 | MainMenu.h and .cpp are currently unused should I just remove them? all their functionality seems to be in MenuBar |
| 19:13.43 | Thumper_ | Will07c5: if it's junk I'd remove them. We can always resurrect them from SVN if we need to |
| 19:14.10 | Will07c5 | yeah that's what I was thinking, but just wanted to make sure |
| 19:16.24 | Will07c5 | is there actually a torus object? there is an add torus menu item but I don't see anything in the wiki |
| 19:20.49 | Wyk3d | blast007: tried several times to commit it, that keeps timing out too :( .. should i send the tarball back with conflicts fixed ? |
| 19:21.11 | Thumper_ | Will07c5: I don't see a torus object anywhere in the codebase. freetype and glew have matches on torus and everything else is in bzwb (or it exists but doesn't have torus anywhere near it) |
| 19:21.52 | Will07c5 | I'm just going to assume for now that it doesn't exist, thanks |
| 19:22.10 | Thumper_ | this is the first I've heard of 'torus' :) I'd ping other devs on that one |
| 19:23.12 | blast007 | Wyk3d: heh.. |
| 19:23.20 | blast007 | do you have somewhere you can upload it to? |
| 19:24.36 | Wyk3d | e.g filebeam |
| 19:25.08 | Thumper_ | pastebin!! |
| 19:25.10 | Thumper_ | ducks |
| 19:25.12 | blast007 | DTRemenak / Erroneous: did you ever have issues with timeouts when you've done large merges in the past? |
| 19:25.19 | blast007 | ~lart Thumper_ |
| 19:25.19 | ibot | pushes the wall down onto Thumper_ whilst whistling innocently |
| 19:25.26 | Thumper_ | ow |
| 19:25.28 | JefferyM | bzflag.bz should have svn installed, upload it there and commit |
| 19:25.34 | Erroneous | blast007: nope |
| 19:25.46 | blast007 | hrm |
| 19:26.18 | blast007 | cuz I couldn't get it to work from home, even when I tried wired |
| 19:26.27 | blast007 | but I got it to work from my server (10mbps both ways) |
| 19:27.06 | Will07c5 | JefferyM: any idea where the reference to torus came from? |
| 19:27.14 | JefferyM | huh? |
| 19:27.32 | Will07c5 | there is a menu item add torus in bzwb |
| 19:27.45 | JefferyM | remove it |
| 19:27.49 | Thumper_ | JefferyM: read up about 11 minutes |
| 19:28.26 | JefferyM | just remove it, ford cars suck |
| 19:29.11 | Will07c5 | fine with me |
| 19:29.47 | Erroneous | that's a taurus, not a torus |
| 19:29.55 | Thumper_ | he can't spell remember? |
| 19:30.02 | JefferyM | ok, then russian knockoffs of ford cars suck too |
| 19:30.04 | Thumper_ | my 19.5yr old T-bird is offended |
| 19:30.51 | Erroneous | Will07c5: and either way, there is no such object |
| 19:31.38 | Erroneous | box, pyramid, base, teleporter, mesh, arc, cone, sphere, and tetra. |
| 19:32.33 | Will07c5 | since tetra is depricated should there be an add tetra menu item? |
| 19:33.44 | Erroneous | don't add one if there's not one |
| 19:34.39 | Will07c5 | well there is one (I would be surprised if there wasn't since the menu even has objects that don't exist) |
| 19:34.44 | Thumper_ | is bzwb supposed to be able to edit existing maps or just create new ones and edit maps created by bzwb? - ie. what happens if you edit a map with a tetra in it |
| 19:35.13 | Will07c5 | well I was thinking just have it convert the tetra to a mesh when it is loaded in |
| 19:35.30 | Thumper_ | sounds good to me |
| 19:40.58 | JefferyM | it's all going to be "Mesh" one day :) |
| 19:48.12 | Will07c5 | is it possible to have more than one base of the same color? (the wiki implies this is possible) |
| 19:48.24 | Erroneous | yes |
| 19:48.49 | Will07c5 | ok so I should remove the code that prevents that in bzwb |
| 19:49.08 | JefferyM | yes |
| 19:49.13 | Will07c5 | thinks the guy who worked on bzwb before should've done his research |
| 19:49.25 | JefferyM | older versions had a limit |
| 19:49.29 | JefferyM | it was removed |
| 19:49.31 | Will07c5 | oh |
| 19:49.46 | Will07c5 | I guess that makes sense then |
| 19:50.04 | Will07c5 | but still I don't know where torus came from |
| 19:50.23 | JefferyM | it was probably just a new object idea that was being thrown around at the time |
| 19:50.40 | JefferyM | or he was going to implmenet it as a mesh |
| 19:50.51 | JefferyM | I mean we can make any "primitive" we want and just implement it as a mesh |
| 19:51.02 | JefferyM | we can have a teapot menu item :) |
| 19:51.04 | Will07c5 | hmm that could be it |
| 19:52.09 | Will07c5 | why don't we already? the teapot is clearly one of the most important primitives |
| 19:52.23 | Erroneous | heh |
| 19:52.24 | JefferyM | sure, if it was good enough for glu |
| 19:52.29 | JefferyM | glu_teapot |
| 19:52.39 | Will07c5 | heh :P |
| 19:53.32 | JefferyM | brlcad, blast007 can you guys help Wyk3d get his .bz account working? |
| 19:54.17 | brlcad | what's wrong with it? |
| 19:54.27 | JefferyM | his password needs to be reset |
| 19:55.53 | brlcad | reset |
| 19:58.10 | blast007 | multiple bases have been possible for a *long* time though |
| 20:03.13 | JefferyM | he may have started with the 1.10.x spec |
| 20:03.21 | JefferyM | this was a couple years ago |
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| 20:08.29 | blast007 | 1.10.4 allowed multiple bases, January 2004 ;) |
| 20:15.42 | trepan | Will07c5: 2.99 MeshFaces now support 'baseTeam' and linkage properties |
| 20:16.37 | trepan | don't know if you plan to support them ... (fwiw, it's already all 'Mesh' ;) |
| 20:19.17 | Will07c5 | well I'm probably not going to add them during gsoc unless I have enough extra time at the end |
| 20:20.27 | JefferyM | it'll be a small option for a mesh face |
| 20:20.31 | trepan | other new types are 'text' and 'info' objects |
| 20:20.35 | JefferyM | somone can get to it when you have meshes working |
| 20:20.59 | Will07c5 | that's works too of course |
| 20:21.03 | Will07c5 | that* |
| 20:22.07 | Will07c5 | I'm not sure if meshes work |
| 20:22.16 | JefferyM | I don't think they are even supported |
| 20:22.27 | Will07c5 | some of the code is there at least |
| 20:23.05 | Will07c5 | the one map I tried loading that had meshes locked up while loading |
| 20:23.17 | Will07c5 | but I wasn't sure if it was the meshes |
| 20:23.26 | JefferyM | you'll get there at some point |
| 20:23.52 | Will07c5 | yep |
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| 20:48.37 | Wyk3d | svn: This client is too old to work with working copy '/usr/home/wyk3d/gsoc_bzauthd'; please get a newer Subversion client |
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| 20:48.56 | Wyk3d | i need a newer version of svn on bzflag.bz :-/ |
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| 20:52.39 | JefferyM | suxorz |
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| 20:57.40 | Wyk3d | i could just use filebeam but i'll be working more with this repo later for testing so i'll need that svn anyway |
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| 21:54.02 | Wyk3d | i don't have privileges to do that myself or ? |
| 21:55.01 | Will07c5 | anybody else having trouble committing? |
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| 21:59.56 | Will07c5 | hmm.. can't update either |
| 22:00.04 | spldart | I'd check but I got nothing to commit |
| 22:00.26 | Thumper_ | made a commit earlier |
| 22:00.38 | spldart | updated just fine |
| 22:00.50 | Will07c5 | must be my client |
| 22:01.02 | Will07c5 | checks if he has the latest version |
| 22:01.05 | Thumper_ | or maybe your checkout is confused somehow |
| 22:01.06 | catay | Wyk3d: i didn't really follow but what if you check out gsoc_bzauthd again with that svn version ? |
| 22:01.15 | catay | and then copy your changed files over it? |
| 22:01.35 | Wyk3d | not the same i think |
| 22:01.41 | Wyk3d | i did the changes with svn merge |
| 22:02.09 | catay | ah |
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| 22:03.48 | Wyk3d | so if i wanted to just overwrite files i could have done the merge without svn merge which is a pain .. |
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| 22:06.06 | catay | and you can't redo the merge there? |
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| 22:08.11 | Wyk3d | well .. i suppose i could .. would be a shame to have gone to all this trouble to get it merged and the conflicts fixed to do it all over again though .. |
| 22:09.30 | catay | yeah, i can understand that |
| 22:09.40 | Wyk3d | plus conflict fixing is harder remotely |
| 22:10.41 | Wyk3d | subcommander's gui helped a lot in that |
| 22:11.44 | catay | don't got any experience with merging to be honest |
| 22:12.02 | catay | and what if you merge first and then copy your corrected files over it ? |
| 22:13.24 | Wyk3d | might work |
| 22:14.20 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03will07c5 * r19835 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (24 files in 7 dirs): |
| 22:14.22 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: * added all the objects to the menu |
| 22:14.24 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: * made setSize consistent with getSize |
| 22:14.26 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: * removed the unused MainMenu.h and MainMenu.cpp |
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| 22:14.28 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: * fixed a few problems with several objects not moving after being added |
| 22:14.39 | catay | I assume you can easily see with svn status or soemthing which files conflict , and that are the ones you have to copy then |
| 22:15.07 | catay | but never did it , so i might be producing hot air here ;) |
| 22:24.23 | blast007 | Wyk3d: I won't be able to commit it from my server then either. I have an even older version :) |
| 22:30.40 | spldart | GP |
| 22:33.33 | Wyk3d | alright .. started merging the branches on bzflag.bz |
| 22:34.08 | blast007 | have fun :) |
| 22:34.47 | blast007 | was thinking there was some script to downgrade the .svn dirs though |
| 22:35.16 | blast007 | but that might be for 1.5 to 1.4, not 1.6 to 1.4 |
| 22:38.47 | JefferyM | is there a 1.6 to 1.5? |
| 22:41.12 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19836 10/trunk/bzflag/misc/bzicon-red.svg: add SVG version of the icon for future art needs. |
| 22:42.17 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19837 10/trunk/bzflag/misc/ (art/bzicon-red.svg bzicon-red.svg): move icon to art folder that was cleverly hidden in plain sight. |
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| 23:54.10 | blast007 | JefferyM: guess there is: |
| 23:54.12 | blast007 | http://svn.collab.net/repos/svn/trunk/tools/client-side/change-svn-wc-format.py |
| 23:54.16 | blast007 | http://subversion.tigris.org/faq.html#working-copy-format-change |