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| 01:45.37 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03will07c5 * r19797 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (5 files in 4 dirs): |
| 01:45.37 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: * Removed extra setSize method from bz2object |
| 01:45.37 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: * Overrided setSize method in box so that UVs are regenerated when the object is resized |
| 01:45.37 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: * Removed unnecessary updateGeometry method from box class as well as code referencing it |
| 01:50.43 | Will07c5 | now I just need to actually make it generate the UVs correctly then I'll be done with box |
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| 02:31.43 | spldart | A little different from the usual Warning 2 warning C4244: 'argument' : conversion from 'const double' to 'float', possible loss of datac:\bzflag\src\clientbase\segmentedshotstrategy.cxx 603 |
| 03:03.34 | Bambino | is anyone an admin at the openleague servers |
| 03:03.57 | Bambino | babel.admin babel.ref |
| 03:04.02 | Bambino | or anyone with the ban perm |
| 03:05.24 | Bambino | nvm, Hairy B left when he found the badword list was working ;) |
| 03:05.52 | blast007 | heh |
| 03:06.27 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03will07c5 * r19798 10/trunk/bzworkbench/src/model/Primitives.cpp: UVs for box should now be generated correctly but they still need to be compared to bzflag and tweaked if necessary |
| 03:17.31 | JeffM | so where are the rest of my SOCers? |
| 03:21.35 | Will07c5 | heh, maybe they all were looking at the 2008 calandar |
| 03:21.42 | spldart | It was that special day now wasn't it |
| 03:21.53 | JeffM | it is |
| 03:21.59 | blast007 | wyk3d left about 3 hours ago |
| 03:21.59 | JeffM | gets a big old email together |
| 03:22.06 | spldart | Ok.. a little bit longer |
| 03:22.12 | JeffM | k |
| 03:22.15 | JeffM | did he start? |
| 03:22.27 | blast007 | he hasn't said anything for 6 days, or so |
| 03:22.33 | blast007 | and no commit that I saw |
| 03:22.35 | spldart | I've not noticed any exciting new commits |
| 03:22.39 | JeffM | k |
| 03:22.41 | blast007 | only one that has commit was Will07c5 |
| 03:22.45 | Constitution | bulldozer has already been committing stuff for several weeks |
| 03:22.49 | JeffM | spldart: did you really order twice? |
| 03:23.02 | spldart | No... did I? Heh.. Just one order |
| 03:23.11 | spldart | 2 items |
| 03:23.38 | JeffM | store has 2 orders, let me see how many you paid for |
| 03:24.13 | spldart | Huh.. I wonder how that poop happened. I don't remember hitting back or refresh on my browser during the order. |
| 03:24.22 | JeffM | you paid once, I'm canceling order 82, order 83 will be your real order number |
| 03:24.29 | spldart | oki doke |
| 03:24.31 | JeffM | store has that happen sometimes |
| 03:24.42 | JeffM | it dosn't base its' order ID off the IPN like it should |
| 03:24.55 | spldart | Well. All worked out in the end. |
| 03:25.18 | JeffM | it wont' go out till tuesday |
| 03:25.39 | spldart | I'm not gonna hurt over that. tues fine. |
| 03:26.12 | spldart | Better than my Kawasaki order yesterday. Part No Longer Available. :( |
| 03:26.16 | JeffM | I'm sorry I didn't see it when it came in, I was having oral surgery on the 21st and didn't notice my mails. |
| 03:26.27 | spldart | NP |
| 03:26.45 | spldart | Stupid clutch cable |
| 03:26.59 | JeffM | that and writing a webstore from scrath myself :) |
| 03:27.00 | blast007 | just use a paper clip and some chewing gum |
| 03:27.14 | JeffM | spldart: check the next model year, or the ones in the same grouping |
| 03:27.15 | spldart | What... Do I look like McGyver?> |
| 03:27.23 | spldart | Oh.. I did |
| 03:27.27 | spldart | also PNLA |
| 03:27.28 | spldart | but |
| 03:27.31 | JeffM | there an aftermarket? |
| 03:27.35 | JeffM | or you have to ebay it? |
| 03:27.35 | spldart | ebay motors has something for a next year |
| 03:27.38 | spldart | No aftermarket |
| 03:27.40 | JeffM | cool |
| 03:27.46 | JeffM | yeah I've had to ebay parts too |
| 03:27.49 | JeffM | for my old bike |
| 03:27.56 | JeffM | megneto rotor |
| 03:28.02 | JeffM | magneto even |
| 03:28.06 | blast007 | Cygal: you around? |
| 03:28.08 | spldart | They discontinued to. I'm gonna take some measurmenets and a pic and send it to a guy that has one for the next year same model |
| 03:28.41 | spldart | He has NOS ver. |
| 03:28.52 | JeffM | wow, they make it hella hard to find a students email address don't they? |
| 03:29.19 | blast007 | So you got the "Insert coin" message too? |
| 03:29.26 | JeffM | ? |
| 03:29.36 | blast007 | :P |
| 03:29.53 | spldart | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.17 | blast007 | also had to use exact change |
| 03:32.16 | JeffM | time to do it the hard way |
| 03:32.19 | spldart | Man.. If I didn't have 100 items on my plate right now I would have had a pre-compiled list of details on each student for t4c scrutiny |
| 03:32.25 | spldart | I suck |
| 03:32.36 | spldart | No.. Tha'ts not an offer. |
| 03:32.48 | blast007 | JeffM: couldn't we email their SF.net address? |
| 03:32.52 | JeffM | that's the hard way |
| 03:32.55 | blast007 | heh |
| 03:33.14 | JeffM | wow, I didn't think SF could get uglier after that orange thing, but LOOK it has |
| 03:33.42 | JeffM | what is it? name@users.sourceforge.net? |
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| 03:34.19 | TD-Linux | yes |
| 03:35.46 | JeffM | site.... SOOO..... slow..... |
| 03:36.13 | short_circuit | Like molassas in winter. <sp> |
| 03:36.28 | Will07c5 | it timed out on me a few times earlier today |
| 03:36.41 | JeffM | indeed |
| 03:51.02 | JeffM | spams everyone |
| 03:51.43 | delusional | spam??? this is interesting, 3d modeling without polygons http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5CKaRpQ4pw |
| 03:53.20 | JeffM | sure, that's just QTVR taken along it's evolutiary path. |
| 03:54.16 | AAA_awright | So basically you just have a fish eye lens attached to a video camera, and scrub along the timeline. As if that has never been done before? |
| 03:54.37 | JeffM | AAA_awright: you have a postion sensor on the camera |
| 03:54.56 | JeffM | and as you move around, you can build up images for every place in the volume |
| 03:54.59 | JeffM | from every angle |
| 03:55.12 | JeffM | and you blend all the data together |
| 03:55.28 | AAA_awright | That is called camera tracking |
| 03:55.28 | JeffM | it creates a 3d volume, not really a model |
| 03:55.47 | JeffM | yes, that is part of it, it's the putting it all together that is what they are doing |
| 03:56.13 | JeffM | where it can blend the images from different pases to make an aproximation of what the view would look like from any point |
| 03:56.34 | JeffM | thats why it only works for static objets ;) |
| 03:57.05 | JeffM | the timeline scrubing is how they started, take an object spin it, and then let the user scrub on a loop, and it looks like you have a 3d model spining |
| 03:57.05 | AAA_awright | I recall a similar technology used in sports, where you could freeze the replay and dolly around the action |
| 03:57.15 | JeffM | yeah it's not new tech by far |
| 03:58.37 | JeffM | calling it a 3d model is a little bit wrong, it's more like a 3d volume map |
| 03:59.19 | JeffM | you can't do somethign like, take the lamp out of the sceene and show it as a model |
| 03:59.46 | JeffM | but you can add real objects to the volume and render them over the map |
| 04:00.31 | JeffM | specialy if you had a 3d lightmap interpolation for every point in the volume, then you can apply the real light to your added object |
| 04:01.16 | AAA_awright | So a derivative of this could be used in something like, for instance, BZFlag, where you have a generated scene pulled with minimal processing, nearly pre-rendered. Just add tanks or whatever on top. |
| 04:01.29 | JeffM | yeah |
| 04:01.41 | JeffM | tho it'd take more CPU then most of our maps :) |
| 04:01.50 | JeffM | it's a BUTTLOAD of data to process |
| 04:01.54 | AAA_awright | And who wants to download a 300GB world |
| 04:02.01 | JeffM | exactly |
| 04:02.19 | JeffM | they do it more for the adventure games |
| 04:02.29 | JeffM | where you stay in a room, do stuff, |
| 04:02.43 | Will07c5 | they have the game for download and it is only 247 MB |
| 04:03.01 | JeffM | the 300 gig is the raw data |
| 04:03.05 | JeffM | it compresses well |
| 04:03.14 | JeffM | you turn it into a lot of delta state stuff |
| 04:03.22 | JeffM | for bzflag it woudln't work, we have dynamic lighting |
| 04:03.33 | Will07c5 | well you generally wouldn't give out the raw data :P |
| 04:04.01 | Will07c5 | but I don't think it would work for bzflag either |
| 04:04.08 | JeffM | it's not meant for bzflag |
| 04:05.24 | JeffM | every rendering tech. is not a solution for every application of rendering :) |
| 04:06.23 | Will07c5 | of course like ray tracing (currently) is useless for games |
| 04:06.45 | JeffM | that's not true |
| 04:07.02 | JeffM | real time raytracing could be very well used for games with small backgrounds |
| 04:07.09 | JeffM | like adventure games, or plaformers |
| 04:07.32 | JeffM | for FPS style games, it's a little slow |
| 04:07.36 | Will07c5 | depends on the type of platformer |
| 04:07.42 | JeffM | indeed |
| 04:08.01 | JeffM | it always depends on what kind of visual you want to present to your player |
| 04:08.02 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r19799 10/trunk/bzflag/src/clientbase/SegmentedShotStrategy.cxx: |
| 04:08.02 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: Use a cast to change a double to a float to avoid a warning. |
| 04:08.02 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: Eliminate a temporary variable that was only used once. |
| 04:08.07 | BulletCatcher | short_circuit: that ought to fix your warning. |
| 04:08.45 | JeffM | the hardest part about using that image based system with bzflag would be, who would want to run around a large field with brick buildings in it |
| 04:08.57 | JeffM | and video tape the crap out out of it |
| 04:09.24 | JeffM | figure that room took what 3+hours to scan, and it's probably less then 100 cubic feet |
| 04:09.42 | Will07c5 | plus it wouldn't add much if anything to gameplay |
| 04:09.47 | JeffM | nope |
| 04:09.53 | Will07c5 | and bzflag really isn't about graphics |
| 04:09.59 | JeffM | now a photo based skybox and mountans, sure |
| 04:10.04 | JeffM | that'd be cool |
| 04:10.36 | BulletCatcher | BZFlag on the moon would be ultra-cool. |
| 04:10.52 | JeffM | you can do that now with a skybox, just go get the images |
| 04:10.58 | JeffM | I have some space ones somewhere |
| 04:12.14 | Will07c5 | I remember I found a bunch of really nice skyboxes on gamedev.net a while ago, can't remember the license though |
| 04:12.34 | JeffM | there are lots of ones from quake maps that are useable |
| 04:13.26 | Will07c5 | I've never played that game |
| 04:13.48 | JeffM | it's bzflag with health, damage, and strafe ;) |
| 04:14.00 | BulletCatcher | No tanks, though. |
| 04:14.10 | JeffM | they have people shaped tanks |
| 04:14.13 | JeffM | they move nearly the same way |
| 04:14.23 | JeffM | oh and vertical aim |
| 04:14.34 | trepan | and better sound, gfx, net, sim, etc... |
| 04:14.46 | Will07c5 | heh |
| 04:14.53 | BulletCatcher | ID's buget is a bit larger than ours. |
| 04:15.10 | JeffM | it's open source, we could leverage it |
| 04:15.23 | JeffM | tho I'm not convinced the BSP system would be good for outdoor stuff |
| 04:15.32 | JeffM | UTs portal system seemed to handle it better |
| 04:15.47 | JeffM | tho for our map complexities, it'd probalby be fine |
| 04:15.53 | trepan | BulletCatcher: happen to know what Saubraten's budget is? :) |
| 04:16.01 | JeffM | same as ours |
| 04:16.47 | JeffM | cubes maping system is very cool from a techincal standpoint |
| 04:17.53 | JeffM | it would probalby be fine for our maps |
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| 06:29.43 | Cygal | blast007: "pong" |
| 06:42.03 | Cygal | concerning my GSoC, as I said in my proposal, I still have exams, but I'll find some time to work on GSoC. |
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| 16:50.58 | delusional | is there any chance that "/saveworld -o" could preserve object names? |
| 16:51.20 | JeffM | obj dosn't have the concept of objects |
| 16:51.26 | JeffM | but you could do it with group names |
| 16:51.58 | JeffM | tho I don't know if names are sent to the client |
| 16:52.12 | delusional | I just tested it on a group, didnt work. |
| 16:52.21 | JeffM | no no, you don't understand |
| 16:52.29 | JeffM | I meant the OBJ format, not bzflag |
| 16:53.04 | blast007 | is there a reason we don't just send the raw BZW to the client? |
| 16:53.18 | JeffM | it's larger |
| 16:53.21 | JeffM | and there may not be one |
| 16:53.28 | JeffM | in the case of a random world |
| 16:53.31 | blast007 | hmm |
| 16:53.36 | JeffM | but it's been talked about |
| 16:53.40 | blast007 | well, not much larger, if you gzip it |
| 16:53.41 | JeffM | that's what libBZW would allow us |
| 16:53.43 | JeffM | yeah |
| 16:53.54 | JeffM | that was the idea, get a common reader, then just shuffle around bzw maps |
| 16:53.59 | blast007 | which I think we could always support (we have zlib after all) |
| 16:54.10 | JeffM | but we don't have a map reader on the client |
| 16:54.14 | blast007 | k |
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| 16:57.43 | delusional | it sure would help if i could get those names from bzw into the 3d editor |
| 16:57.48 | JeffM | Will07c5: did those docs make sense? |
| 16:57.57 | JeffM | delusional: then write the code for it |
| 16:58.57 | Will07c5 | JeffM: for the box they did, I still have to work on the pyramid |
| 16:59.11 | JeffM | ok, good I just want wanted to make sure it was understandtable :) |
| 17:01.08 | Will07c5 | anyway I'm going to work on implementing procedural generation of more objects starting with the pyramid |
| 17:01.16 | JeffM | cool |
| 17:05.24 | Will07c5 | so far procedurally generating the box simplified the code a lot |
| 17:05.33 | JeffM | as it shold :) |
| 17:05.54 | JeffM | that's what we told the guy who wrote it to do in the first place |
| 17:06.07 | Cygal | I'd like some advice on a commit message - nothing important, but it will help for the other commits etc. |
| 17:06.18 | JeffM | like? |
| 17:06.56 | Cygal | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/118891/ "number of inputs was hardcoded" |
| 17:07.00 | Will07c5 | I don't know why he used objs it seems like it was a lot more effort for almost no gain |
| 17:07.28 | JeffM | Cygal: the message for that would be simple |
| 17:07.36 | JeffM | "removed hardcoded input limit" |
| 17:07.45 | JeffM | since that is what you did |
| 17:07.53 | JeffM | generaly you just describe what you did |
| 17:08.03 | JeffM | and maybe what the effect will be if it's not totaly obvious |
| 17:08.18 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03cygal * r19800 10/trunk/bzflag/src/clientbase/LocalPlayer.h: removed hardcoded input limit |
| 17:08.26 | Cygal | sure - I actually have some problems telling in a simple way what did I do |
| 17:08.27 | JeffM | yay |
| 17:08.45 | Cygal | I often end up being quite verbose - english is not my mother tongue |
| 17:08.49 | Cygal | thanks :) |
| 17:08.52 | JeffM | no prob |
| 17:23.46 | spldart | BulletCatcher: That seems to have got it ;) |
| 17:24.39 | brad | 0 |
| 17:24.42 | brad | oops |
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| 19:04.45 | Cygal | JeffM: I'll finish school the 10th of June |
| 19:05.01 | Cygal | but I'll try to work as much as possible on my GSoC before that date |
| 19:06.42 | Cygal | and I think I understood your expectations, I'll always be on IRC anyways, and I check my highlights quite often, so I won't likely disappear |
| 19:09.23 | Cygal | blast007: by the way, you asked if I was here earlier today. I am now :) |
| 19:31.14 | blast007 | Cygal :) |
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| 20:09.54 | Cygal | concerning the ROBOT which is defined at compilation. is the plan to remove those and try to separate the robot code, or is it accepted to have #ifdef ROBOTS all around the code? |
| 20:11.21 | Cygal | in some places, robots are forgotten, so fixes would involve adding more of those #ifdef I guess |
| 20:11.38 | Cygal | Yassen seemed to fix some of those by the way, reviewing his patches right now |
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| 20:22.27 | moonpix | hey there |
| 20:23.07 | moonpix | we need to add a player to duc offi match spawn list, does anyone here has perms for it? |
| 20:23.30 | moonpix | catay, wake up! |
| 20:28.04 | blast007 | yay for patience! |
| 20:28.21 | eTangenT | \o/ |
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| 20:57.09 | blast007 | wow... bzauthd is Windows-only right now? |
| 20:58.44 | Wyk3d | it is |
| 20:58.52 | Wyk3d | needs to be converted\ |
| 20:59.07 | blast007 | k :) |
| 20:59.20 | blast007 | guess this linux VM was unnecessary then, hehe |
| 20:59.52 | blast007 | oh well, now I have it for later |
| 21:03.29 | Allejo | for logDetail. what do you need in the config? just /path/to/logDetail.so ? |
| 21:04.48 | blast007 | yeah. and if you have it installed via 'make install', you can do just -loadplugin logDetail |
| 21:05.04 | blast007 | (assuming linux there) |
| 21:06.05 | Allejo | where will the logs be kept? when you run bzfs? |
| 21:06.13 | Allejo | and it is linux |
| 21:06.21 | blast007 | it outputs to stdout |
| 21:06.27 | blast007 | so you have to redirect output |
| 21:06.35 | blast007 | same way you would if you use -d |
| 21:06.58 | blast007 | (you will turn off any -d typically when you use logDetail, though a few other messages still slip through) |
| 21:07.38 | Allejo | what do you mean redirect the output? |
| 21:07.44 | Allejo | i never used -d |
| 21:08.20 | blast007 | bzfs -conf config > log |
| 21:08.31 | blast007 | it would ave to the file 'log' |
| 21:08.33 | blast007 | save* |
| 21:10.02 | Allejo | ah i see. thx |
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| 21:58.20 | Bambino | Could someone please delete this user: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=40596 |
| 21:58.43 | Bambino | blast007: ^ |
| 22:00.03 | me1 | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=40595 , http://my.bzflag.org/bb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=40593 , http://my.bzflag.org/bb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=40592 : are these the same person? |
| 22:00.23 | me1 | (as bambino's, aswell) |
| 22:01.10 | Bambino | wow |
| 22:01.46 | Bambino | I remember someone going around and saying <player> is hacked/ is a cheat |
| 22:01.56 | Bambino | when that player had high score |
| 22:12.38 | blast007 | yeah, working on them now |
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| 22:17.34 | blast007 | and gone |
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| 23:25.28 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03will07c5 * r19801 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (4 files in 4 dirs): pyramids are now procedurally generated |
| 23:28.09 | Will07c5 | JeffM: is there any documentation for how the other objects are procedurally generated? |
| 23:29.05 | Will07c5 | although I think I'm going to take a break from procedurally generating objects and figure out why it still won't read bzw files |
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