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| 00:16.18 | AAA_awright | Remove TCP? Why? |
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| 01:18.54 | blast007 | AAA_awright: remove TCP-only connections, not remove TCP... |
| 01:19.10 | AAA_awright | That's what I meant sorry' |
| 01:19.19 | blast007 | and why not? |
| 01:19.19 | AAA_awright | Why is UDP so great? |
| 01:19.24 | blast007 | faster |
| 01:19.30 | blast007 | doesn't resend data |
| 01:19.41 | blast007 | lower overhead |
| 01:19.51 | AAA_awright | Why would all clients want to use UDP? |
| 01:20.00 | blast007 | see above.. |
| 01:20.15 | trepan | http://www.devmaster.net/wiki/UDP_vs_TCP |
| 01:20.36 | brlcad | faster with an exclamation, way faster |
| 01:21.28 | AAA_awright | Yeah, I know the difference. Why are we thinking all clients are going to even want the UDP data? Say, bzadmin? |
| 01:21.48 | me1 | bzadmin doesn't shoot bullets, does it? |
| 01:22.06 | AAA_awright | No |
| 01:22.08 | me1 | iirc, that's what triggers the udp kick in the first place |
| 01:22.11 | blast007 | AAA_awright: bzadmin doesn't shoot |
| 01:22.30 | blast007 | so no, it won't generate a UDP connection |
| 01:22.43 | blast007 | at least, yet :) |
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| 02:28.30 | brlcad | it also doesn't register as a human player, so it shouldn't be kicked regardless |
| 02:28.55 | brlcad | unintentional behavior in the server if it does, should be easy to fix |
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| 09:27.25 | kierra | brlcad ping |
| 09:27.42 | kierra | way too early for him |
| 09:36.18 | Chestal | what are you doing up at this time? |
| 09:36.28 | kierra | mischief |
| 09:36.34 | kierra | :) |
| 09:37.36 | Chestal | enjoys a tea at work |
| 09:41.38 | kierra | enjoys a lil bz before the day |
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| 11:56.05 | brlcad | kierra: hm? |
| 11:56.43 | kierra | morning brlcad |
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| 13:33.50 | Frances92 | heya all :) |
| 13:34.51 | Cygal | hi |
| 13:35.58 | Frances92 | brad, Pimpi you guys here? |
| 13:36.21 | brad | hey Frances |
| 13:36.53 | Frances92 | how you doing today?? |
| 13:37.15 | brad | great weather, but stuck at work :( |
| 13:38.04 | Frances92 | shame that sucks... i had school today, and its crappy weather :) |
| 13:39.15 | Frances92 | what leauge you guys in on bz? Do you think i should join a leauge? |
| 13:39.28 | brad | join GU league :P |
| 13:39.28 | Carnage00 | Ducati and gu |
| 13:39.35 | Carnage00 | and both leagues are fun |
| 13:39.48 | Carnage00 | try ducati fist dont listen to brad :P |
| 13:39.51 | brad | GU more fun though, right carn? :) |
| 13:39.59 | Frances92 | can you join more than one? |
| 13:40.00 | Carnage00 | nah |
| 13:40.03 | Carnage00 | not when ur banned :( |
| 13:40.07 | brad | ya, join as many as you want |
| 13:40.33 | Frances92 | ok... how? |
| 13:40.36 | brad | http://gu.bzleague.com/ or http://league.bzflag.net/ |
| 13:40.49 | brad | gu - ducati |
| 13:41.05 | Frances92 | awesome! |
| 13:41.39 | Frances92 | but i'm not gonna be doing much playing till i get a mouse :( and i can't play on the computer for obvious reasons :P |
| 13:41.55 | brad | touchpad? |
| 13:42.03 | brad | I used to play with touchpad a lot |
| 13:42.19 | brad | its...sorta ok...once you get used to it :P |
| 13:42.30 | Frances92 | ya well i am not a computer wizz - ya i prefer the mouse :D |
| 13:43.56 | brad | brb |
| 13:52.12 | Frances92 | k |
| 14:01.23 | Frances92 | what team should i join in the GU leauge? |
| 14:02.24 | Carnage00 | nope |
| 14:02.27 | Carnage00 | gu sucks :P |
| 14:03.08 | brad | any team that's active I suppose |
| 14:03.15 | brad | might want to ask the team leader first though |
| 14:08.05 | Frances92 | ok, i do that by? |
| 14:08.22 | Frances92 | what team are you in? |
| 14:08.27 | brad | are you registered? |
| 14:08.32 | Frances92 | yup |
| 14:09.18 | brad | well, go to the team page, click on a team you like the name of, and look for the leader (should have a little alien image next to their name - no clue why that is used) |
| 14:09.48 | Frances92 | ok :) |
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| 14:15.40 | brad | oops.. |
| 14:15.47 | brad | can't type |
| 14:31.24 | Frances92 | haha |
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| 14:40.32 | Frances92 | bye all |
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| 16:44.53 | ts | Hrm, darn regressions. I can't see what causes the flag drop :/ |
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| 18:29.02 | Thumper_ | Hi nightstrike |
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| 20:09.07 | trepan | any good maps that use a lot of teleporters? (off-angle rotation, with/without borders, etc...) |
| 20:09.33 | trepan | (already tested with hix ... it being fairly popular) |
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| 20:45.38 | Frances92 | CBG! hi |
| 20:46.09 | Frances92 | oh brad it wouldn |
| 20:46.11 | Frances92 | t |
| 20:46.23 | Frances92 | let me join the Ducati leauge |
| 20:46.39 | catay | why not? |
| 20:46.59 | Frances92 | it said something about proxy and stuff |
| 20:47.25 | brad | hrm] |
| 20:47.32 | catay | when you browsed to league.bzflag.org? |
| 20:47.41 | brad | what does it say exactly? I wasn't aware they had a proxy blocker there |
| 20:47.45 | brad | catay: .net! |
| 20:47.49 | catay | :P |
| 20:48.00 | Frances92 | think so.... give me the address again |
| 20:48.10 | catay | erm, read up ;) |
| 20:48.21 | brad | http://league.bzflag.net/ |
| 20:48.30 | Frances92 | ya but a link is just so much nicer :P |
| 20:48.35 | catay | ok, fine brad , you handle it :p |
| 20:48.42 | brad | ~lart catay |
| 20:48.42 | ibot | puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at catay |
| 20:48.44 | brad | be nice you :P |
| 20:49.22 | Frances92 | Error: We're sorry, currently we cannot accept new registrations from AOL users, or users connecting through a proxy. |
| 20:49.29 | Frances92 | thats what it says |
| 20:49.48 | Frances92 | it also says below it |
| 20:49.59 | catay | brlcad can probably help you with that |
| 20:50.02 | Frances92 | This can occur if you have specified an invalid URL, or if you are not authorized to perform the function (or your session timed out) |
| 20:50.21 | brad | it seems like an error on the site though catay? |
| 20:50.25 | brad | which would be chestal? |
| 20:50.53 | catay | oh, maybe a htaccess or something |
| 20:52.19 | brad | aren't you admin there? |
| 20:52.22 | brad | site admin |
| 20:52.22 | Frances92 | ok.... but everything else on my browser works fine |
| 20:53.33 | brlcad | Frances92: you're apparently connecting through a proxy |
| 20:53.50 | brlcad | that's not allowed for accessing the league site for various reasons |
| 20:54.32 | brad | it's an ISP proxy though |
| 20:54.51 | brlcad | the only way you can work around that is to either not go through a proxy (which you probably can't control, so not an option), or have someone else register you up on the league (talk to one of the league admins) and just play |
| 20:55.25 | Frances92 | well i registered on another leauge |
| 20:55.41 | brlcad | brad: yes, and a proxy is a proxy .. the same reasoning why proxies are blocked for the site are true -- could probably be white-listed, but that'd still be a league admin arrangement |
| 20:55.51 | brlcad | Frances92: the other leagues suck in comparison ;) |
| 20:55.56 | brlcad | no offense to the other leagues |
| 20:55.56 | brad | alright, thx :) |
| 20:55.59 | brlcad | ducati ftw |
| 20:56.03 | brad | haha |
| 20:56.31 | brlcad | meant that in jest, there are several fun leagues |
| 20:56.32 | catay | ~brlcad++ |
| 20:56.34 | brad | living in the past brlcad :) it's all about jumping these days! |
| 20:56.56 | Frances92 | what? can |
| 20:56.57 | Frances92 | t |
| 20:56.57 | brlcad | brad: never, jumping is a bug that nobody has gotten around to fixing! |
| 20:57.02 | brad | heh |
| 20:57.05 | Frances92 | you jump in Ducati? |
| 20:57.10 | brlcad | hell no |
| 20:57.19 | brad | ducati is 2 shots, no jumping, rico |
| 20:57.20 | Frances92 | :o |
| 20:57.31 | brad | oh and random map.. :P |
| 20:57.47 | Frances92 | but i like jumping... :P |
| 20:57.49 | brlcad | much more focus on strategy, teamwork, and precision tank control |
| 20:58.08 | brlcad | Frances92: and you probably suck too ;) |
| 20:58.14 | brlcad | at least compared to most ducati "experts" |
| 20:58.29 | Frances92 | easy to do on a touchpad.... *rolling of eyes* |
| 20:58.48 | Frances92 | lol ya... i'm more in it for the fun :D |
| 20:58.52 | brlcad | oh yeah, if you're using a touchpad, you definitely will suck compared to most :) |
| 20:59.16 | brad | might be easier to use keys til you get a proper mouse |
| 20:59.20 | brlcad | response and precision on those are abysmal |
| 20:59.29 | brlcad | keys are the way to go |
| 20:59.43 | brlcad | forget the mouse, your wrists will thank you later |
| 20:59.45 | Frances92 | oh ya lol the keys!! haha |
| 20:59.59 | biggeruniverse | haha! |
| 21:00.06 | biggeruniverse | I don't get it |
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| 21:00.37 | Frances92 | ok, i got dc... |
| 21:01.01 | Frances92 | no i'm having such a blonde day today... i thought it was Monday earlier.... |
| 21:01.16 | biggeruniverse | It is Monday |
| 21:01.30 | biggeruniverse | oh man, jokes suck when the dude keeps disconnecting |
| 21:01.31 | Thumper_ | "No self destruct while moving" ?? does that make sense? I can stop, hit Del, then drive away and blow up later :) |
| 21:01.55 | brad | is that a new feature Thumper_? |
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| 21:02.05 | Thumper_ | it's in trunk |
| 21:02.09 | Thumper_ | not sure how new it is |
| 21:02.15 | Thumper_ | just happened to try it to get rid of a bad flag |
| 21:02.27 | Frances92 | :( i keep getting disconnected |
| 21:02.51 | brad | seems a bit pointless..:) |
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| 21:04.17 | Frances92 | ok, so i'm just gonna have to give Ducati a miss then.... ah well :) |
| 21:04.40 | Frances92 | well i'll just observe and perhaps speak if i'm unmuted :P |
| 21:05.38 | Frances92 | any Ducati matches happening atm? |
| 21:06.28 | brad | check http://bzstats.strayer.de/ |
| 21:06.52 | brad | should show you what league servers are being played on |
| 21:07.34 | catay | Frances92: i'll talk to some site admin when i see one |
| 21:07.42 | catay | Frances92: he/she can probably add you |
| 21:08.07 | catay | Frances92: or you can send a private message to kierra on bzbb with your request |
| 21:10.52 | Frances92 | oh ok |
| 21:11.05 | Frances92 | no worries its not really that much of a big deal :) |
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| 21:24.10 | CBG | brlcad: the absence of the ability to jump should have little, if any effect, on the strategy, teamwork and tank control required to succeed. :P |
| 21:29.34 | Frances92 | haha |
| 21:30.22 | Frances92 | CBG: hows the UK? |
| 21:30.44 | CBG | Dark. |
| 21:31.10 | Frances92 | lol oh btw what does CBG stand for? |
| 21:31.17 | brlcad | CBG: you'd think, but it does -- too many learn to use tab as a crutch, usually makes them very easy targets against a non-jumper who can provoke a jump |
| 21:31.45 | Frances92 | yup that really gets to me.... |
| 21:31.57 | CBG | brlcad: Sure, with noobs... maybe. I thought we were talking about the elite. |
| 21:32.20 | CBG | Frances92: I could tell you... but then I'd have to kill you. |
| 21:32.25 | brlcad | just say that it's generally really easy to go from non-jumping to being a really good jumper, but not quite as easy to go from being a good jumper to being a good non-jumper |
| 21:32.59 | brlcad | talking about the middle-road -- the "elite" on both sides of the fence are generally pretty adaptive |
| 21:33.03 | Frances92 | awwww L( |
| 21:33.09 | Frances92 | *:( |
| 21:33.19 | brlcad | not newbs, not the best, 80% of players |
| 21:33.40 | CBG | 80%? :D |
| 21:33.54 | brlcad | so general "good advice" .. learn to play well without jumping, then go jump if you must |
| 21:34.07 | brlcad | bell curve of abilities |
| 21:34.21 | CBG | Do you play much, brlcad? |
| 21:34.50 | brlcad | not any more, at least not recently |
| 21:34.56 | Frances92 | why? |
| 21:34.57 | brlcad | too much code needs written |
| 21:35.08 | CBG | Join me, dub:5150 :) |
| 21:35.09 | brlcad | need a release, for example |
| 21:35.15 | Frances92 | what do you write codes for? |
| 21:35.22 | brlcad | Frances92: er, bzflag? :) |
| 21:35.36 | CBG | I haven't played in around 6 months and only for around 30 minutes in the last couple of years... |
| 21:35.45 | brlcad | CBG: can't atm, at work |
| 21:35.55 | Frances92 | ya, but you could be writing for something else aswell |
| 21:36.05 | brlcad | Frances92: several things actually |
| 21:36.40 | Frances92 | oooh so what codes are you working on atm? |
| 21:37.20 | brlcad | BZFlag & BRL-CAD get most of my coding time |
| 21:37.27 | brlcad | plus a handful of other smaller projects |
| 21:37.43 | brlcad | ftgl, autogen.sh, cia |
| 21:38.03 | Frances92 | wow thats cool! |
| 21:40.49 | Frances92 | CBG: are you playing in dub:5150 atm? i wanna come watch |
| 21:40.56 | CBG | :) |
| 21:41.22 | CBG | Like I said, I haven't played in around 6 months and only for around 30 minutes in the last couple of years so I am RUSTY. |
| 21:42.10 | Frances92 | well lol i suck - which is why i shall be an observer :P |
| 21:43.40 | Frances92 | so you gonna play? |
| 21:44.14 | CBG | I am there... |
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| 21:53.21 | Frances92 | bye all |
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| 22:16.52 | delusional | trepan, looking for a map with lots of teleporters? That might be harder than you think because the link syntax has been changed. The tele links won't work on old maps. |
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| 22:40.29 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03catay * r19703 10/trunk/bzflag/man/bzfs.6.in: * -requireudp option doesn't exist anymore. Remove it from manpage. |
| 23:02.04 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03catay * r19704 10/trunk/bzflag/misc/ (bzfs.conf bzfs_conf.html): |
| 23:02.04 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: * -requireudp option removed from template bzfs config file. |
| 23:02.05 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: * -requireudp option removed from BZFS Configuration Builder. |
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| 23:16.46 | blast007 | trepan: Louman's metropolis has some teleporters that exibit the 'sealed' bug on 32-bit Linux, in case you're wanting to test that |
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| 23:31.09 | Will07c5 | I've been pretty quiet lately, mostly due to having large amounts of work to do, but that doesn't mean I've forgotten about GSoC. I'll be done with this batch of homework thursday so I'll be starting on "community bonding" stuff then. :) |
| 23:31.51 | trepan | delusional: the number syntax? |
| 23:32.13 | trepan | blast007: i don't run 32-bit linux, but i'll take a look? |
| 23:32.20 | trepan | hehe, s/?// |
| 23:33.59 | delusional | something changed.. not sure what.. i dont work with teles very often.. all i know is all my old maps have non-functioning tele links under bzfs 2.0.12 |
| 23:35.18 | delusional | there is this.... http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=12886&p=133500&hilit=teleporter+links#p133500 |
| 23:35.59 | delusional | converts them easily |
| 23:37.40 | delusional | It's funny... some maps SAY there's an error with the links when you load the map.. but they work. |
| 23:37.58 | delusional | others say theres an error, and they dont work |
| 23:41.28 | trepan | it's probably the 'name' parameter |
| 23:41.52 | trepan | i coded it so that it require 'teleporter <linkname>', to avoid the old bzedit names |
| 23:41.59 | Thumper_ | it's definitely the name parameter - just delete it |
| 23:42.16 | trepan | i think that someone else changed that |