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| 04:10.46 | JeffM | wishes bzbb could be made to add another age check, "you must be 17 to post a thread" |
| 04:20.31 | me1 | heh |
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| 04:40.21 | *** topic/#bzflag by JeffM -> http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || Channel Logs: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || Latest Release: 2.0.12 (linux), 2.0.10 (everyone else) || SOC Student Acceptance 4/20/09 noon PST. |
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| 06:13.29 | DTRemenak | I'd suggest reorganizing it. src/, vc71/, vc80/, vc90/ or something. sln and vdproj/csproj in the versioned folders. |
| 06:13.35 | DTRemenak | ~ww |
| 06:13.36 | ibot | There is no such thing as the wrong window, just wrong people |
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| 09:30.38 | Frances | how do i turn on UDP? |
| 09:32.17 | Frances | how do i turn on UDP? |
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| 10:20.27 | Frances92 | Murielle? |
| 10:20.38 | Murielle | yes |
| 10:20.53 | Murielle | ok..now we are going to ask to devs |
| 10:20.59 | Murielle | nthey are in the channem |
| 10:21.05 | Murielle | channel |
| 10:21.18 | Murielle | ask your question, Frances92 |
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| 10:23.13 | Pimpi | Frances92: you're the one asking about udp warlier? |
| 10:23.27 | Frances92 | yup |
| 10:23.30 | Pimpi | s/warlier/earlier/ |
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| 10:24.13 | Pimpi | now, there's no option to turn udp on or of in the game anymore |
| 10:24.22 | Murielle | the tricky thing is that her problem is ramdom |
| 10:24.24 | Pimpi | it's on by default |
| 10:25.05 | Frances92 | ok, so how do i turn it on? |
| 10:25.20 | Frances92 | cause i turned off my firewall and it still won't work |
| 10:25.26 | Pimpi | it is on... |
| 10:25.39 | Murielle | maybe the router? |
| 10:25.48 | Pimpi | if the server reports it is not it's usually a networking problem |
| 10:25.56 | Pimpi | yes, router, firewall... |
| 10:26.18 | Frances92 | how do i change the router? |
| 10:27.02 | Pimpi | hm |
| 10:27.20 | Pimpi | how is your computer connected to the internet? |
| 10:27.39 | Murielle | but Pimpi....isnt it weird this issue seems to appear randomly ? |
| 10:27.59 | Pimpi | Murielle: define randomly |
| 10:28.03 | Frances92 | LAN... through a cable? |
| 10:28.09 | Frances92 | lol |
| 10:28.24 | Murielle | sometimes frances92 can join ... sometimes she cannot. am i rigt frances92? |
| 10:28.47 | Frances92 | yup |
| 10:28.56 | Pimpi | Frances92: DSL, cable modem, dialup... |
| 10:28.59 | Frances92 | some servers i can play on others i can't |
| 10:29.18 | Pimpi | but the servers you can't join are always the same? |
| 10:29.47 | Frances92 | i think cable modem... |
| 10:29.51 | Frances92 | yes |
| 10:30.15 | Murielle | 56K modem ? :-P |
| 10:31.04 | Pimpi | cable modem would be through something like your tv line |
| 10:31.34 | Pimpi | DSL or dialup (56k modem) over your telefone line |
| 10:31.37 | Frances92 | it is a Netgear 54Mbps Wireless ADSL Modem Router |
| 10:32.06 | Pimpi | DSL then |
| 10:32.14 | Frances92 | ok |
| 10:32.35 | Murielle | pimpi? could it be because she isnt registred, |
| 10:32.39 | Murielle | ? |
| 10:32.50 | Frances92 | i did register now though |
| 10:33.00 | Murielle | but not authentified |
| 10:33.07 | Frances92 | well i registered my callsign if thats what you mean? |
| 10:33.11 | Frances92 | oh |
| 10:33.11 | Pimpi | yes. some servers require registration. the server woudn't complain about missing UDP then |
| 10:33.17 | Murielle | u had a minus - in front of your name |
| 10:33.24 | Frances92 | ya |
| 10:33.33 | Murielle | bad password |
| 10:33.39 | Murielle | ntry with the correct one :-D |
| 10:33.52 | Frances92 | oh.... |
| 10:35.27 | Frances92 | can i change my password? |
| 10:35.44 | Pimpi | yes, at the bzflag forums |
| 10:37.01 | Frances92 | would that help? |
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| 10:37.50 | Pimpi | Frances92: do you remember your password properly? |
| 10:38.01 | Frances92 | the one i have now? yes |
| 10:39.07 | Pimpi | do you get a + on the playerlist if you enter a server using correct callsign/password |
| 10:39.31 | Frances92 | no i have a - |
| 10:39.42 | Frances92 | wait, must i change my password? |
| 10:40.19 | Pimpi | you must give the correct password in the password line in game |
| 10:40.28 | Frances92 | yup |
| 10:40.44 | Frances92 | and then it tells me that my callsign is registered when i join |
| 10:41.25 | Pimpi | and it won't tell you you're identified? |
| 10:42.00 | Pimpi | something like "Global login approved" |
| 10:42.01 | Frances92 | nope, don't think so |
| 10:42.11 | Frances92 | i'll look again |
| 10:42.14 | Pimpi | WHERE did you register that callsign? |
| 10:42.31 | brad | Frances92's ISP seems to use a proxy for caching. using port 81 for list server may fix it..:) |
| 10:43.06 | Frances92 | my.bzflag.org/bb/ |
| 10:43.06 | Frances92 | and i followed the links on the website |
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| 10:43.17 | Pimpi | so you're on windows, linux, Mac? |
| 10:43.23 | Frances92 | nwindows |
| 10:43.28 | Frances92 | *windows |
| 10:43.34 | Frances92 | XP |
| 10:43.45 | Pimpi | anyone knows where the config file is located on windows? |
| 10:44.13 | Frances92 | oh i've already deleted that |
| 10:44.13 | brad | My Documents/My Bzflag FIles/2.0 |
| 10:44.28 | Pimpi | brad: ty |
| 10:44.38 | Pimpi | Frances92: open the file brad named |
| 10:44.58 | Frances92 | ok |
| 10:45.40 | Frances92 | must i delete the config file? |
| 10:45.54 | Pimpi | no... |
| 10:46.02 | Frances92 | oh |
| 10:46.18 | Pimpi | search for "set list http://my.bzflag.org/db" |
| 10:46.37 | Pimpi | change it to "set list http://my.bzflag.org:81/db" |
| 10:46.57 | Frances92 | search where? |
| 10:47.06 | Pimpi | in the config file |
| 10:47.10 | brad | open the file config.cfg |
| 10:47.11 | Frances92 | kk |
| 10:47.14 | brad | in notepad.. |
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| 10:48.01 | Pimpi | brad: can you take over ? |
| 10:48.06 | Pimpi | bb in a few minutes |
| 10:48.45 | Frances92 | ok i've opened the config file in notepad |
| 10:49.59 | brad | did you find that line? set list http://my.bzflag.org/db |
| 10:50.00 | Frances92 | ok i made the chande pimpi told me to |
| 10:50.04 | brad | ok |
| 10:50.26 | brad | can I ask...is there a # at the start of that line? |
| 10:50.33 | brad | if so, you need to remove it |
| 10:51.08 | Frances92 | ok i removed the # |
| 10:51.46 | brad | save, close, try bz again..;) |
| 10:52.08 | Frances92 | ok thanx! |
| 10:52.25 | brad | you are using same user/pass from bzbb right? |
| 10:53.15 | Frances92 | yup |
| 10:53.36 | brad | great |
| 10:53.37 | Frances92 | ok it says Global Login Approved! but then it still tells me to turn Udp on |
| 10:53.54 | Frances92 | and so i can't shoot :( |
| 10:54.03 | brad | ahh, well 1 problem solved at least:P |
| 10:54.14 | Frances92 | haha |
| 10:54.18 | brad | do you get the UDP kick on all servers? |
| 10:54.33 | Frances92 | nope just most of them :) |
| 10:56.11 | brad | hmm |
| 10:57.35 | Frances92 | lol |
| 10:57.35 | brad | may need to wait for a dev for that. can't find much to help in forum |
| 10:58.15 | Frances92 | ah ok |
| 10:58.21 | Frances92 | thanx so much |
| 10:59.16 | Pimpi | Frances92: still there? |
| 10:59.24 | Frances92 | yup :) |
| 11:00.11 | Pimpi | sp, please try connecting to dub.bzflag.org:59999 |
| 11:00.19 | Frances92 | k well it now says Global Login Approved! but i still need to turn on udp |
| 11:00.32 | Frances92 | uh in the address bar? |
| 11:00.52 | Pimpi | in address bar dub.bzflag.org |
| 11:00.59 | Pimpi | in port line 59999 |
| 11:02.22 | Frances92 | i don't know how to do port line |
| 11:02.51 | brad | within bzflag right Frances? |
| 11:02.53 | Frances92 | but without the port line i get to a page called "Index of /" |
| 11:03.11 | Frances92 | oh |
| 11:03.16 | brad | :) |
| 11:03.17 | Frances92 | :*) |
| 11:04.59 | Frances92 | ok |
| 11:05.49 | Frances92 | there's no-one there... |
| 11:05.56 | Frances92 | and i can't play.... |
| 11:06.29 | Pimpi | Frances92: back |
| 11:06.33 | Pimpi | sry, phone |
| 11:07.01 | Pimpi | reading logs... |
| 11:07.33 | Frances92 | wait must i go to dub.bzflag.org now? |
| 11:07.56 | Pimpi | no, i'm just reding from your previous login attempt |
| 11:08.29 | Frances92 | oh |
| 11:08.46 | Pimpi | nothing suspicious... |
| 11:08.53 | Pimpi | i'll increase log level |
| 11:08.59 | Frances92 | lol i hope not |
| 11:09.02 | Frances92 | kk |
| 11:09.30 | Frances92 | must i try again now? |
| 11:09.53 | Pimpi | short moment... |
| 11:10.24 | Frances92 | k |
| 11:11.34 | Pimpi | now |
| 11:11.41 | Frances92 | =) |
| 11:12.15 | Pimpi | k |
| 11:12.38 | Pimpi | try entering now |
| 11:13.23 | Frances92 | ok well now i have a + next to my name |
| 11:13.50 | Pimpi | yep, read your comment in the logs ;) |
| 11:14.01 | Frances92 | but i'm not part of the leauge so i can't play |
| 11:14.02 | Frances92 | :) |
| 11:14.16 | Pimpi | oh... |
| 11:14.40 | Pimpi | now, at least it doesn't boot you for not having UDP |
| 11:15.25 | brad | only boots you when you try to shoot though? |
| 11:15.54 | Frances92 | yup |
| 11:18.34 | Pimpi | well, i take a look at my router configs, i have at least a similar model, if not the same |
| 11:20.13 | Pimpi | Frances92: whats your firmware version? |
| 11:20.55 | Frances92 | whats that? |
| 11:21.34 | Pimpi | hm, did you ever open your router's configuration interface? |
| 11:22.38 | Frances92 | i have no idea what that is... so probably no |
| 11:23.21 | Frances92 | but when our computer stopped working properly the computer guy came to fix it and he always fiddles with all these thing so he could've |
| 11:23.35 | Frances92 | but i have no idea |
| 11:23.43 | Pimpi | k.. |
| 11:24.05 | Pimpi | open http://192.168.0.1/ in your internet browser |
| 11:24.40 | Frances92 | i need a username and password |
| 11:24.57 | Frances92 | must i use my bz ones? |
| 11:25.10 | Pimpi | on the top of your router there might be a sticker... |
| 11:25.35 | brad | could try defaults, user: admin - pass: password |
| 11:25.47 | Pimpi | bottom, not top |
| 11:25.49 | Pimpi | sry |
| 11:26.15 | Pimpi | brad: are THAT the netgear defaults? |
| 11:26.31 | Pimpi | instantly hopes not... |
| 11:26.55 | brad | depends on the model |
| 11:27.02 | brad | but that is for quite a lot of them |
| 11:27.21 | brad | http://www.default-password.info/netgear/ |
| 11:27.22 | brad | :) |
| 11:30.07 | Frances92 | k well admin & password don't work |
| 11:31.16 | brad | and any luck finding sticker on the router? |
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| 11:35.15 | Frances92 | it says: http://192.168.0.1 user name: admin ;password: password |
| 11:35.21 | Frances92 | hmm |
| 11:35.42 | brad | so someone has changed it |
| 11:36.15 | Frances92 | well that sucks |
| 11:36.20 | Frances92 | now what |
| 11:37.09 | delusional | or find the exact model of your router on that page. |
| 11:37.26 | brad | :S |
| 11:37.35 | brad | brb |
| 11:42.34 | Frances92 | i can't find the model |
| 11:43.59 | Frances92 | ok found it... its just admin & password :( |
| 11:44.43 | delusional | looks like your going to have to ask mom or dad |
| 11:45.04 | Frances92 | lol what can they do? |
| 11:45.15 | delusional | give you the pass |
| 11:45.28 | delusional | or set the router themself |
| 11:45.50 | Frances92 | lol ya they won't know that |
| 11:46.05 | delusional | someone change the password from the default |
| 11:46.14 | delusional | changed |
| 11:46.31 | Frances92 | maybe it was the computer guy who fixes our computer |
| 11:46.41 | TD-Linux | want to reset it? |
| 11:46.46 | TD-Linux | that will wipe all settings though |
| 11:46.54 | delusional | dont go there |
| 11:47.55 | Frances92 | ok.... what must i do then? |
| 11:48.15 | delusional | get the router pass |
| 11:49.30 | Frances92 | ok well in the long run... i'm trying to turn on my udp for bz... will all of this actually help? |
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| 11:54.20 | Frances92 | ??? |
| 11:54.25 | brad | it might. but it could also be something like your ISP blocking UDP traffic |
| 11:54.46 | CBG | !!! |
| 11:55.05 | Frances92 | ok how do i fix that? |
| 11:55.19 | brad | CBG:O |
| 11:55.22 | CBG | With more question marks! |
| 11:55.28 | CBG | Hey brad :) |
| 11:55.46 | brad | afternoon |
| 11:55.58 | CBG | So it is... I should get dressed. |
| 11:56.20 | Frances92 | in what country are you guys? |
| 11:56.22 | brad | Frances92: it's hard to tell what the problem is without trying everything |
| 11:56.28 | brad | UK here |
| 11:56.44 | brad | no uni CBG? |
| 11:57.05 | CBG | No lectures today, but a meeting in 30 mins... Hence the need to dress. :P |
| 11:57.08 | Frances92 | ah cool South Africa here :) |
| 11:58.06 | brad | :) |
| 11:58.13 | Frances92 | ok so what must i try now? |
| 11:58.43 | brad | I know someone else from south africa, she's always complaining about the crap internet there |
| 11:59.33 | brad | Frances92: need to get in to your router somehow so Pimpi can help you more. who set it up for you? |
| 11:59.38 | Frances92 | lol... its not that bad... but it works :) |
| 11:59.45 | Frances92 | generally... |
| 11:59.45 | CBG | Yeah, I heard they only get 2Mb at best in the desert. :( |
| 12:00.11 | Frances92 | dude desert?? hahaha |
| 12:00.18 | CBG | :P |
| 12:00.35 | joevano | Frances92: there are 3 likely causes... firewall, router, and ISP |
| 12:00.42 | Frances92 | ok |
| 12:00.47 | joevano | with firewall and router being the most likely |
| 12:01.02 | Frances92 | how do i get in to my router? |
| 12:01.10 | joevano | and luckily those are the two you theoretically have the most control over :P |
| 12:01.17 | CBG | With a screwdriver or crowbar. |
| 12:01.34 | brad | heh |
| 12:01.57 | Frances92 | honestly? |
| 12:02.05 | brad | no.. |
| 12:02.12 | Frances92 | good |
| 12:02.15 | joevano | Frances92: i think we have already established that you dont have the password, so your quest, if you choose to take it.... |
| 12:02.16 | Frances92 | lol |
| 12:02.26 | CBG | To get into it, sure. To access it's settings, try your web browser. ;) |
| 12:02.27 | joevano | is to find the person with the password |
| 12:02.28 | Frances92 | is? |
| 12:02.39 | CBG | is. |
| 12:02.41 | Frances92 | haha |
| 12:02.48 | brad | "the guy who fixes your computer" is probably a likely candidate |
| 12:03.12 | CBG | "the guy who gets the sand out of your computer" more like. |
| 12:03.15 | Frances92 | probably ;) haha k well thats a mission and a half... |
| 12:03.20 | brad | now now CBG |
| 12:03.57 | CBG | What? :P That's a likely cause of computer problems in the desert! :) Though, hopefully, Frances92 is in a more urban area. |
| 12:04.14 | brad | you know south africa isnt 1 big desert right? :P |
| 12:04.21 | Frances92 | CBG Cape Town is a costal region... where we have the largest biodiversity in the planet, do you really think this is a desert? |
| 12:04.23 | CBG | Yeah. ;) My best friend is from SA. |
| 12:04.40 | Frances92 | lol |
| 12:04.51 | CBG | Frances92: No, but not all of SA is like that either. ;) |
| 12:05.00 | Frances92 | duh |
| 12:05.14 | CBG | There is the Kalahari (sp?) desert for a start. :P |
| 12:05.44 | Frances92 | ya but thats small i think... |
| 12:05.55 | Frances92 | and people don't really live in it |
| 12:06.04 | Frances92 | ANYWAYS.... |
| 12:06.08 | CBG | Well, It's actually pretty big but not all of it is in SA. |
| 12:06.26 | CBG | I'm teasing but I have to go now anyway. As you were... |
| 12:06.32 | Frances92 | back to my router |
| 12:06.43 | Frances92 | hahaha |
| 12:07.59 | Frances92 | brad: so the ISP issue can be fixed by getting in the router? |
| 12:13.07 | Frances92 | ?? |
| 12:23.13 | Frances92 | :( |
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| 14:23.54 | nightstrike | 4.5 hours to go |
| 14:23.58 | nightstrike | bites nails |
| 14:23.59 | Frances92 | Pimpi: you there? |
| 14:24.24 | Frances92 | or brad? |
| 14:24.55 | Frances92 | sorry for interrupting nightstrike |
| 14:25.26 | nightstrike | its ok :P |
| 14:25.34 | nightstrike | you weren't interrupting :) |
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| 14:25.48 | Thumper_ | Frances92: you saved him from nibbling all the way down to his knuckles |
| 14:25.58 | Frances92 | good to know |
| 14:26.06 | Frances92 | is Pimpi or brad here? |
| 14:26.12 | brad | did you figure out the pass yet Frances92 ?:) |
| 14:27.15 | Frances92 | yay |
| 14:27.19 | Frances92 | nope |
| 14:27.22 | Frances92 | but i have more info |
| 14:27.40 | Frances92 | i was wondering |
| 14:28.13 | Frances92 | we have more than one computer running off the same internet |
| 14:28.32 | Frances92 | and on my laptop, which i'm on now, the udp is fine |
| 14:28.41 | Frances92 | and i can play on all servers |
| 14:28.45 | brad | oh. |
| 14:28.55 | Frances92 | yet it uses the same modem/router |
| 14:28.58 | brad | then I would guess it's not a problem with your router at all. |
| 14:29.05 | brad | are you sure there's no firewall on that comp? |
| 14:29.10 | brad | the one having problems |
| 14:29.19 | Frances92 | yup i turned it off |
| 14:29.27 | brad | what about windows firewall? |
| 14:29.28 | Frances92 | but this one has the firewall and its fine |
| 14:30.28 | Frances92 | which is very weird |
| 14:30.43 | brad | hmm |
| 14:30.58 | brad | you are using the latest version of bz right? |
| 14:31.22 | Frances92 | i think so... i could try downloading it again |
| 14:32.41 | Frances92 | do you think that might work? |
| 14:33.09 | brad | its worth a try. wouldn't get your hopes up though. |
| 14:33.25 | Frances92 | lol i won't :) |
| 14:33.57 | Frances92 | so say that doesn't work (which is very likely) what do you think i should do? |
| 14:34.02 | brad | if not, wait around for JeffM to come on. he can fix just about anything ;) |
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| 14:34.34 | Frances92 | ok awesome |
| 14:34.39 | brad | I'm sure he would be able to give you some better tips/things to try at leasst |
| 14:34.48 | Frances92 | and he's not on atm... |
| 14:35.10 | brad | its quite early over there I think |
| 14:35.16 | Frances92 | haha well you guys did help alot with the callsign thingy =) |
| 14:35.23 | Frances92 | oh where's he? |
| 14:35.25 | CBG | DESERT! |
| 14:35.30 | brad | US |
| 14:35.51 | Frances92 | haha hi CBG |
| 14:36.08 | CBG | Hi :) |
| 14:36.48 | Frances92 | ya the US is about 5 hours or more behind SA |
| 14:37.39 | Frances92 | how was the meeting CBG? |
| 14:38.08 | CBG | Frances92: he'll be 6-9 hours behind you, I think. It's 4:38pm for you now right? |
| 14:38.12 | Frances92 | oh brad is the newest version for windows 2.0.10? |
| 14:38.25 | Frances92 | yes, exactly... |
| 14:38.26 | CBG | It was fine... Nice to see my group members after Easter. |
| 14:38.41 | Frances92 | :) |
| 14:39.27 | brad | 2.0.12 |
| 14:39.53 | brad | oh nvm, windows binary wasn't released for that version |
| 14:39.53 | Frances92 | does that work on windows xp though? |
| 14:39.58 | brad | no, ignore :) |
| 14:40.02 | Frances92 | ya thought so |
| 14:41.42 | Frances92 | ':D |
| 14:42.07 | Frances92 | k well its downloading.... |
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| 14:43.44 | Frances92 | apparently the weather was good in the UK today :) |
| 14:44.19 | brad | yeah, really niec today. even went to the beach |
| 14:44.50 | Frances92 | oh awesome! Crap day here... overcast... ugh |
| 14:46.25 | Frances92 | k its downloaded!! |
| 14:48.17 | Pimpi | the point is, that playing works on some servers, but not on all. i heard of a problem like that before, not sure if there was a solution for it back then |
| 14:48.35 | Frances92 | nope... still doesn't work |
| 14:48.40 | Frances92 | hey Pimpi! |
| 14:48.41 | brad | Pimpi: could it be some servers use -requireudp while others don't? |
| 14:48.56 | brad | just guessing. |
| 14:49.37 | Pimpi | thought about that too, but afair ALL servers require udp today, even without -requireudp |
| 14:49.55 | brad | ah |
| 14:50.13 | Pimpi | not entirely sure though. |
| 14:50.19 | Pimpi | well, we can test... |
| 14:50.30 | Frances92 | ok so what must i do :) |
| 14:50.56 | Pimpi | is checking his server confiigs for servers with and without -requireudp |
| 14:54.35 | Pimpi | ok, 1vs1.pimpi.org on port 5160 seems to be without requireudp |
| 14:54.42 | Pimpi | try that one |
| 14:55.12 | Frances92 | kk |
| 14:56.04 | Frances92 | i can play |
| 14:58.11 | Pimpi | joining 5158? |
| 14:58.59 | Pimpi | Frances92: ^^^ |
| 14:59.44 | CBG | ^^ |
| 15:00.12 | Frances92 | yes... lol |
| 15:00.28 | brad | join port 5158, same address:) |
| 15:00.35 | Frances92 | ok how can i fix -requireudp on my side |
| 15:00.43 | Frances92 | yes already done that |
| 15:00.56 | Pimpi | no. -requireudp is a server flag ;) |
| 15:01.05 | CBG | Frances92: Do you know what type of router you have? |
| 15:01.41 | Frances92 | ok... yes a Netgear DG834G |
| 15:02.06 | Pimpi | CBG: it works fine on another computer on the same net |
| 15:02.24 | Frances92 | yup |
| 15:02.42 | CBG | Pimpi: doesn't rule out UDP port issues... |
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| 15:03.28 | Frances92 | *confused... |
| 15:03.46 | CBG | Frances92: Ok, can you go to 192.168.1.1 in your browser? |
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| 15:04.11 | Frances92 | yup should i go on this computer or the one that doesn't work? |
| 15:04.34 | Pimpi | CBG: we've been there, she doesn't know the admin password and it's not the default one |
| 15:04.36 | CBG | Whichever is easier.. |
| 15:04.44 | CBG | Pimpi: ahh, ok. Sorry. |
| 15:05.06 | Frances92 | well thats actually a different address to the last one |
| 15:05.28 | Frances92 | unless CBG made a typo |
| 15:05.33 | Pimpi | BUT i have a DG834B too, and it doesn't suppoet different firewall settings for different clients |
| 15:05.57 | Frances92 | ya.... so i don't know whats wrong :( |
| 15:06.12 | Pimpi | oh, the DG834B is no a wlan router |
| 15:06.23 | Pimpi | did you run your lappy via wlan? |
| 15:06.27 | CBG | Not a typo, that's the address for both Netgear routers I've ever configured. |
| 15:06.29 | Pimpi | somehow? |
| 15:07.05 | Pimpi | CBG: was 192.168.0.1 for the same model here |
| 15:07.11 | Frances92 | wlan? wireless? nope we've got 2 cables cause wireless is slower |
| 15:07.17 | Pimpi | ok |
| 15:07.49 | Pimpi | btw. you mentioned you had lag on the 1vs1 server earlier. where u from |
| 15:07.51 | Frances92 | my laptop has vista btw... if that helps |
| 15:07.54 | CBG | ok. |
| 15:08.02 | Frances92 | South Africa |
| 15:08.14 | Pimpi | now, that at least explains lag |
| 15:08.56 | Frances92 | but it shouldn't explain udp cause my laptop doesn't have udp problems.... |
| 15:09.20 | Pimpi | i'm surprised the DG834 "B" model works there at all |
| 15:10.53 | Frances92 | k well the full name is: NETGEAR 54 Mbps Wireless ADSL Modem Router DG834G v3 |
| 15:11.05 | Frances92 | if that helps |
| 15:15.12 | Frances92 | k so watsup? |
| 15:16.13 | Pimpi | oh, it's the G v3 not the B |
| 15:16.29 | Pimpi | well, then it's supposed to work, yes |
| 15:16.48 | Frances92 | and it does on the laptop :) |
| 15:16.53 | Manu | Pimpi: you are alive! ;) |
| 15:17.18 | Pimpi | checks pulse and reflexes |
| 15:17.23 | Pimpi | check |
| 15:17.40 | blast007 | if one computer works and another doesn't, it's probably not the router that is at fault |
| 15:17.41 | Pimpi | how are you Manu? |
| 15:18.07 | Frances92 | then where would the fault be? |
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| 15:18.11 | CBG | blast007: I was going to check ports. |
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| 15:18.19 | Pimpi | blast007: thought so |
| 15:18.24 | blast007 | ports? |
| 15:18.36 | blast007 | you don't need to forward ports to play the game |
| 15:18.40 | Pimpi | Manu: how are aou? |
| 15:19.49 | joevano | Frances92: firewall or network card on the machine that doesn't work |
| 15:20.06 | Manu | Pimpi: fine, thanks. You? |
| 15:20.38 | Frances92 | joevano: Firewall is off, and network card is what? |
| 15:20.38 | Pimpi | same! we have great weather here |
| 15:20.53 | joevano | broken? :P |
| 15:20.57 | blast007 | is the computer with the UDP issue on wireless? |
| 15:21.11 | Pimpi | blast007: no |
| 15:21.16 | blast007 | k |
| 15:21.43 | Frances92 | haha well the internet works on the computer.... |
| 15:22.15 | Pimpi | now, if tcp works on the hardware udp should work too i gues |
| 15:22.32 | blast007 | well... not necessarily |
| 15:22.48 | blast007 | UDP is connection-less and some hardware doesn't properly track it |
| 15:22.56 | blast007 | just play on the computer that works :P |
| 15:23.11 | Pimpi | blast007: how? tcp/ip implemented in hw on a ethernet card? |
| 15:23.25 | Frances92 | te laptop that works doesn't have a mouse :) and my brother also wants to play |
| 15:23.31 | blast007 | Pimpi: I mean the router |
| 15:23.42 | blast007 | is the laptop on wireless? |
| 15:23.55 | Pimpi | blast007: not either |
| 15:23.55 | Frances92 | nope |
| 15:24.01 | blast007 | meh :/ |
| 15:24.01 | blast007 | k |
| 15:24.16 | blast007 | update the network drive for the one with UDP issues |
| 15:24.19 | blast007 | driver* |
| 15:24.36 | Frances92 | how? |
| 15:24.56 | Frances92 | oh on some servers it tells me to update my client |
| 15:25.06 | blast007 | yeah, that's a normal response |
| 15:25.08 | blast007 | it's wrong |
| 15:25.27 | blast007 | anyway, you'll update the drive by downloading the driver for the specific network card you have, and then installing it :P |
| 15:25.29 | Frances92 | oh ok... |
| 15:25.37 | blast007 | driver* (silly 'r' key!) |
| 15:25.45 | Frances92 | haha |
| 15:25.54 | blast007 | we don't know what network card you have |
| 15:26.01 | Frances92 | nor do i |
| 15:26.23 | blast007 | you can find out though |
| 15:26.42 | Frances92 | again, how? |
| 15:26.56 | blast007 | go to the control panel, then go to Network Connections, right click on your Local Area Connection icon, and hit Properties |
| 15:27.03 | Pimpi | blows some tanks up |
| 15:27.22 | blast007 | should have a box at the top that is labeled "Connect using:" |
| 15:27.30 | blast007 | it will list your network card |
| 15:27.37 | Frances92 | kk |
| 15:29.13 | Frances92 | VIA Compatible Fast Ethernet Adapter |
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| 15:33.53 | blast007 | heh, well that one's pretty vague ;) |
| 15:34.06 | blast007 | you're gonna have to do some research |
| 15:34.19 | Frances92 | ooh look i was just playing a game against my brother on our LAN network and it said that client 192.168.0.3 has joined |
| 15:34.45 | Frances92 | would that help at all? |
| 15:34.59 | blast007 | if it's an onboard network port (i.e. built into the motherboard, not an extra card in a slot), you can look up what motherboard you have and then go on the website for that motherboard |
| 15:35.01 | Frances92 | that client being the faulty computer |
| 15:35.03 | blast007 | and find drivers |
| 15:35.06 | blast007 | and no, that won't help |
| 15:35.17 | Frances92 | damn |
| 15:35.27 | blast007 | I would be curious to see if you get UDP working over the LAN though |
| 15:35.27 | Frances92 | Pimpi where you? |
| 15:35.37 | blast007 | which computer was the server running on? |
| 15:36.07 | Frances92 | oh not a bzserver :) |
| 15:36.11 | Frances92 | another game |
| 15:36.13 | blast007 | oh |
| 15:36.41 | blast007 | well, try to find the network driver |
| 15:37.00 | Frances92 | which is? |
| 15:37.31 | blast007 | like I said, you will have to do research |
| 15:37.41 | blast007 | they didn't give a specific adapter model |
| 15:37.57 | blast007 | read up a bit on here, I told you want to do. |
| 15:38.56 | Frances92 | ok well i'm still confused... |
| 15:39.46 | blast007 | then have someone help you |
| 15:40.05 | Frances92 | thats what i'm trying to do :) |
| 15:40.06 | blast007 | it would possibly invole opening the computer to see what board is in there |
| 15:40.12 | blast007 | I mean, someone *there* |
| 15:40.19 | blast007 | I can't open your computer up ;) |
| 15:41.08 | Frances92 | haha ya i know... but that would only be in days... or weeks... and that it needs to be done for a game means never :( |
| 15:41.44 | Frances92 | are you sure there's no other way? |
| 15:41.51 | blast007 | well, you could try to automatically update |
| 15:42.17 | blast007 | go back to the same screen where you saw what card it was |
| 15:42.39 | blast007 | then click on the "Configure" button next to the name of the card |
| 15:42.58 | Frances92 | ok |
| 15:43.21 | blast007 | go to the Driver tab, and click on Update Driver. Assuming you have a new enough service pack, it should ask if you want to use Windows Update to search for software. Select "Yes, this time only" and click next. |
| 15:43.48 | Frances92 | ok |
| 15:45.02 | Frances92 | now what? |
| 15:45.33 | blast007 | install automatically, and click next. |
| 15:46.01 | blast007 | and that might take a bit to search |
| 15:46.13 | blast007 | it's going to look on the Windows Update site for a newer driver |
| 15:46.13 | Frances92 | ok |
| 15:46.19 | Frances92 | awesome |
| 15:46.31 | Frances92 | will i have to pay anything?? lol |
| 15:46.34 | blast007 | no |
| 15:47.04 | blast007 | you might lose connectivity as it installs, but that should come back (just in case your chat client disconnects) ;) |
| 15:48.16 | Frances92 | hehe |
| 15:51.09 | Frances92 | ok well it says: The wizard could not find a better match for your hardware than the software you currently have installed. |
| 15:51.29 | blast007 | oh well, it was worth a shot |
| 15:52.28 | Frances92 | haha |
| 15:52.31 | Frances92 | so what next?? |
| 15:56.12 | Frances92 | ??? |
| 15:57.01 | temp_work | punt! |
| 15:57.21 | Frances92 | huh? |
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| 16:01.03 | blast007 | meh, my internet was flaky, so my SSH stopped responding. |
| 16:01.26 | blast007 | Frances92: other solution might just to buy a cheap network card and install it into that machine, assuming the network device is the real cause of the problem |
| 16:01.28 | Frances92 | and then mine disconnected... |
| 16:02.17 | Frances92 | mmmm buying stuff, yea not gonna happen... :( |
| 16:02.27 | blast007 | :P |
| 16:02.40 | Frances92 | my parents don't believe gaming is a worthy cause to spend money on |
| 16:02.42 | blast007 | well then you don't really have much of a choice |
| 16:03.25 | blast007 | find a way to make some money ;) |
| 16:03.59 | Frances92 | not easy at my age... |
| 16:04.04 | blast007 | (and then buy it from somewhere that you can return it, if it *doesn't* fix the problem) |
| 16:04.44 | Frances92 | haha good idea |
| 16:04.57 | Frances92 | but i need to buy it first ;) |
| 16:05.01 | blast007 | yeah ;) |
| 16:05.16 | blast007 | or find someone else that has one you could borrow as a test |
| 16:05.38 | ruskie | a pci nic is cheap... |
| 16:05.58 | ruskie | I mean more than $10/10€ would be insane for such a thing... |
| 16:06.07 | ruskie | usually half that in general |
| 16:06.20 | blast007 | for a crappy one, sure |
| 16:07.19 | Frances92 | electronics are more expensive here cause they're all imported |
| 16:08.01 | Frances92 | like for an iphone you'd pay $1000 |
| 16:08.22 | ruskie | blast007, I find onboard cards more crappy than a 5€ one... |
| 16:08.33 | blast007 | ruskie: sometimes |
| 16:09.44 | ruskie | so far... most times ;) |
| 16:09.44 | blast007 | for $5 you probably wouldn't get a PCIe one |
| 16:09.44 | ruskie | but anyway |
| 16:09.44 | ruskie | true |
| 16:09.44 | blast007 | and the onboard one in my computer is gigabit with PCIe interface |
| 16:09.49 | blast007 | and the onboard in my laptop is an Intel Pro/100, which is a nice chipset ;) |
| 16:10.23 | Frances92 | lol but then i'd have to install it |
| 16:10.40 | blast007 | yup :) |
| 16:10.52 | blast007 | not too hard |
| 16:10.59 | Frances92 | ya, not one of my fortes |
| 16:11.24 | blast007 | open case, remove slot cover, insert card, screw card in, close case, turn computer on |
| 16:11.35 | ruskie | yeah |
| 16:12.02 | Frances92 | ok i'm a girl - i don't use screws or screwdrivers etc.... :*) |
| 16:12.14 | ruskie | so? |
| 16:12.21 | blast007 | pfft |
| 16:12.21 | ruskie | you can pick one up and use it |
| 16:12.35 | ruskie | it's not hard |
| 16:12.39 | blast007 | (oh, and the first step should be "unplug computer") |
| 16:12.51 | Thumper_ | *poof* oops |
| 16:13.01 | Frances92 | haha ok.... |
| 16:13.17 | ruskie | unplugged gear in a running pc number of times... so far never had much issues... |
| 16:13.32 | blast007 | Thumper_: I wish the 500MHz machines at work would do that :P |
| 16:13.33 | ruskie | but of course it's still stupid |
| 16:13.35 | blast007 | then I could get new ones |
| 16:14.00 | blast007 | ruskie: yeah.... |
| 16:14.06 | blast007 | try that with an AGP card :P |
| 16:14.12 | blast007 | *smoke* |
| 16:14.13 | ruskie | happened... |
| 16:14.18 | blast007 | haha |
| 16:14.19 | ruskie | not unplugged but wasn't seated well |
| 16:14.23 | ruskie | still works |
| 16:14.23 | Frances92 | ok i'm so lost |
| 16:14.38 | blast007 | Frances92: yeah, we're just talking about what *not* to do now ;) |
| 16:15.01 | Frances92 | ok =) good |
| 16:16.22 | blast007 | http://compreviews.about.com/od/tutorials/ss/DIYPCICard.htm |
| 16:17.12 | Frances92 | oooh i got an idea - i'll buy it with my money cause its not alot, then i'll get the computer guy to install it :) |
| 16:17.20 | blast007 | hehe |
| 16:20.37 | Frances92 | blast007: are you also in the UK? |
| 16:20.45 | blast007 | nope, USA |
| 16:21.16 | Frances92 | k well i'm in South Africa |
| 16:21.37 | nightstrike | any clue as to how many students will be getting selected tonight? |
| 16:21.58 | CBG` | Tonight is the night? |
| 16:22.34 | Frances92 | what are they being selected for? |
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| 16:22.59 | delusional | heh |
| 16:23.41 | CBG` | JefferyM: to the rescue? |
| 16:23.45 | JefferyM | ? |
| 16:23.53 | nightstrike | yeah, tonight is the night |
| 16:24.04 | Frances92 | blast007: oh i'm coming to the US in June :) |
| 16:24.05 | blast007 | Frances92: Google Summer of Code |
| 16:24.11 | nightstrike | Frances92: we're waiting for the Google Summer of Code results |
| 16:24.17 | CBG` | blast007 or Pimpi can fill you in better but Frances92 has trouble getting on servers that -requireUDP |
| 16:24.28 | JefferyM | you still have 2.5hours to wait. |
| 16:24.29 | JefferyM | ish |
| 16:24.38 | nightstrike | I know, the wait is killing me |
| 16:24.47 | JefferyM | you'll live |
| 16:24.48 | nightstrike | JefferyM, any clue how many students will be selected? |
| 16:24.49 | blast007 | ~bzfrag nightstrike |
| 16:24.50 | ibot | ACTION skewers nightstrike with a super bullet |
| 16:24.53 | JefferyM | 4 |
| 16:24.57 | blast007 | and now the super bullet is killing you |
| 16:25.01 | nightstrike | damn |
| 16:25.08 | nightstrike | respawns |
| 16:25.14 | JefferyM | that's actualy more then we planed |
| 16:25.15 | JefferyM | we initaly wanted 3 |
| 16:25.16 | nightstrike | ~bzfrag blast007 |
| 16:25.17 | ibot | ACTION trys a jump shot on blast007 and gets blown away by skill |
| 16:25.21 | CBG` | How many applicants, out of interest? |
| 16:25.22 | nightstrike | which all projects? |
| 16:25.31 | nightstrike | libgame, opengl modularization, bug fixes and? |
| 16:25.40 | JefferyM | I shal not say |
| 16:25.53 | JefferyM | as it would be obvious who was chossen then |
| 16:25.53 | nightstrike | :P |
| 16:25.55 | nightstrike | okies |
| 16:25.58 | JefferyM | CBG`, over 30 |
| 16:26.03 | JefferyM | I'd have to look for a real count |
| 16:26.06 | CBG` | Oh, wow. :) |
| 16:26.07 | Frances92 | ok.... JefferyM can you help me? On my computer i cannot play on most servers cause of udp |
| 16:26.10 | nightstrike | but well, there were 30+ applicants no? |
| 16:26.22 | JefferyM | Frances92, are you behind a firewall or router? |
| 16:26.26 | blast007 | JefferyM: they can play from one computer, but not the other |
| 16:26.38 | JefferyM | firewall or super crapy router then |
| 16:26.56 | blast007 | or a crappy network card/driver? |
| 16:27.05 | blast007 | it's some onboard VIA chipset |
| 16:27.19 | nightstrike | how come the ~bzfrag thingy didn't work when I did it? :( |
| 16:27.20 | ruskie | lol... everyone slugging at via |
| 16:27.30 | JefferyM | it could not do DNS lookups it it could not do any UDP |
| 16:27.36 | CBG` | Firewall is off and both machines are on the same router. |
| 16:27.38 | blast007 | nightstrike: I customized mine ;) |
| 16:27.43 | Frances92 | both are connected to the same network router - its a NETGEAR DG834G v3 |
| 16:27.45 | JefferyM | nightstrike, beceause that's enough bot abbuse |
| 16:27.53 | JefferyM | Frances92, do they have software firewalls? |
| 16:28.27 | nightstrike | oh |
| 16:28.28 | Frances92 | yes, but i turned th firewall off on the computer |
| 16:28.31 | JefferyM | CBG`, the stats we have show 4 accepted, 30 rejected, 4 ineligible |
| 16:28.50 | CBG` | Wow. Congrats :) |
| 16:28.55 | Frances92 | on the laptop however, the firewall works and so does bz |
| 16:29.01 | JefferyM | Frances92, then I don't know what else to try, the problem won't be with our software, but will be with something on the comptuer, ether the networking on the machine or the router. |
| 16:29.13 | JefferyM | it has to be something on that computer then |
| 16:29.23 | JefferyM | we don't turn UDP Off anymore |
| 16:29.26 | Pimpi | JefferyM: about Frances92's problem: she's booted on servers with -requireudp |
| 16:29.38 | JefferyM | Pimpi, I gathered that ;) |
| 16:30.00 | Frances92 | ok so how do i fix it? |
| 16:30.05 | Pimpi | JefferyM: i don't think the game can still be played all tcp? |
| 16:30.06 | JefferyM | we don't know |
| 16:30.11 | JefferyM | Pimpi, it can't |
| 16:30.17 | JefferyM | the problem is with your computer |
| 16:30.31 | JefferyM | and we arn't in the position to diagnose problems with your system |
| 16:30.40 | JefferyM | firewall and router are things I can sugest checking |
| 16:30.48 | Frances92 | ya i thought it might be... oh ok... :( |
| 16:30.53 | JefferyM | but since none of us have your computer, there isn't much else we can do :( |
| 16:31.10 | blast007 | already tried updating the network driver (through Windows update, since it didn't give any specific model #) |
| 16:31.12 | Pimpi | JefferyM: so, playing on servers without requireudp works fine, which means udp is available |
| 16:31.22 | JefferyM | Pimpi, the option dosn't do anything anymore |
| 16:31.26 | JefferyM | all servers require UDP |
| 16:31.28 | Pimpi | JefferyM: why would -requireudp make a difference? |
| 16:31.30 | JefferyM | it's an old option |
| 16:31.53 | Pimpi | JefferyM: thats what i say. why would it make a difference? |
| 16:32.01 | JefferyM | it may just turn on a clean warning |
| 16:32.06 | Frances92 | btw why do they require UDP? what does UDP do? |
| 16:32.08 | JefferyM | if she dosn't have UDP she can not play |
| 16:32.14 | Pimpi | udp is mandatory since 1.10 iirc |
| 16:32.15 | JefferyM | UDP is a faster way of sending data |
| 16:32.30 | Pimpi | ~x en de mandatory |
| 16:32.34 | blast007 | hrm. I'm pretty sure some people play with TCP only |
| 16:32.35 | Frances92 | oh ok cool |
| 16:32.36 | blast007 | Pimpi: required |
| 16:32.40 | JefferyM | Pimpi, we know, you arn't really helping |
| 16:32.56 | JefferyM | blast007, if they can then we need to fix that |
| 16:33.04 | blast007 | heh |
| 16:35.03 | BulletCatcher | In branch, requireUDP is initialized to false and only the bzfs -requireudp command line option will make it true. |
| 16:35.21 | JefferyM | well lets fix it for trunk |
| 16:35.28 | Pimpi | JefferyM: what i try to ask (and you're ignoring that) why she can't play on servers with -requireudp while she CAN on servers without that option EVEN THOUGH the option is obsolete and doesn't do anything anymore |
| 16:35.28 | JefferyM | remove the option and force it to be true |
| 16:35.43 | JefferyM | Pimpi, then it does do something and I was wrong |
| 16:35.45 | JefferyM | it happens |
| 16:35.56 | JefferyM | on those non UDP servers she'll be laggy as hell |
| 16:36.13 | Pimpi | JefferyM: see, i help |
| 16:36.13 | JefferyM | not really |
| 16:36.14 | JefferyM | the problem is that she dosn't have UDP |
| 16:36.23 | JefferyM | and saying that "she dosn't have udp" dosn't help ;) |
| 16:36.38 | JefferyM | many servers will require UDP |
| 16:37.01 | blast007 | and it works fine on the other computer |
| 16:37.08 | blast007 | so it's not necessarily the router |
| 16:37.16 | JefferyM | yeah it's probably that machine |
| 16:37.21 | JefferyM | software or hardware |
| 16:37.31 | blast007 | would still recommend trying a different NIC |
| 16:37.44 | blast007 | (one that can be returned) :) |
| 16:38.01 | JefferyM | yeah it could be a crap nic |
| 16:38.32 | blast007 | "VIA Compatible Fast Ethernet Adapter" |
| 16:38.38 | BulletCatcher | But if DNS works then the NIC is probably doing UDP. |
| 16:38.50 | blast007 | at least for a session as short as a DNS lookup |
| 16:39.00 | JefferyM | BulletCatcher, it may not hold a UDP stream |
| 16:39.13 | JefferyM | a DNS lookup isn't many packets |
| 16:39.18 | JefferyM | my gut still says software |
| 16:39.27 | Pimpi | the nic doesn't know tcp nor udp |
| 16:39.46 | JefferyM | it's probalby just a crapy driver |
| 16:39.48 | BulletCatcher | Is there a firewall in the anti-virus software? |
| 16:39.55 | Pimpi | nics are higher in the stack |
| 16:40.05 | Pimpi | ehm, lower |
| 16:40.21 | JefferyM | it's all speculationon our side, nothing can be known untill the system is diagnosed. |
| 16:40.22 | Frances92 | not sure actually... but i have the same anti-virus software on both laptop and computer |
| 16:40.36 | JefferyM | is there any child protection software on the desktop? |
| 16:40.41 | JefferyM | or anything else different? |
| 16:40.54 | blast007 | or is the operating system different? |
| 16:41.00 | Frances92 | doubt it |
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| 16:41.12 | Frances92 | operating system? |
| 16:41.23 | blast007 | windows xp, windows vista, etc |
| 16:41.26 | Pimpi | one is vista, one xp |
| 16:41.35 | Frances92 | the laptop is Vista and the computer isxp |
| 16:41.37 | Pimpi | iirc |
| 16:41.41 | Frances92 | but |
| 16:41.50 | Frances92 | the computer used to work you see |
| 16:42.15 | CBG` | What changed?! |
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| 16:42.56 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19702 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (CmdLineOptions.cxx CmdLineOptions.h bzfs.cxx): |
| 16:42.56 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: remove -requireUDP and force it to be true all the time. |
| 16:42.56 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: no INTERNET game will be fun on TCP only. |
| 16:43.01 | Frances92 | i really don't know.... |
| 16:44.15 | Pimpi | some iptables guru with a quick rule to block udp? |
| 16:44.51 | Frances92 | wait does that mean that i can't play on any servers now on the computer? :( |
| 16:44.53 | blast007 | wonders what iptables has to do with Windows XP. |
| 16:45.22 | blast007 | Frances92: that code is for an unreleased version of the game |
| 16:45.23 | Pimpi | wants to try if playing without udp is possible at all |
| 16:45.34 | blast007 | Pimpi: it is |
| 16:45.49 | Frances92 | oh phew :) |
| 16:45.55 | blast007 | oh, I see what you meant |
| 16:46.09 | blast007 | thought you were talking about the problem yet ;) |
| 16:47.15 | Pimpi | Frances92: playing the game without udp won't make you happy |
| 16:47.49 | Frances92 | haha no not really :( |
| 16:49.05 | JefferyM | the option was an holdover from the past when bzflag was expected to just be a lan game |
| 16:49.08 | JefferyM | and lag was very low |
| 16:49.28 | JefferyM | and some networks blocked internal UDP |
| 16:49.48 | JefferyM | IIRC the first version of bzflag was TCP only, so it was a compatability mode as well |
| 16:49.58 | JefferyM | but now ew don't require compatability with 1.7 ;) |
| 16:50.32 | JefferyM | Pimpi, just mod your client to never send UDP |
| 16:50.45 | JefferyM | find "needforspeed" n the code |
| 16:51.16 | Frances92 | ok.... so what now? |
| 16:52.10 | JefferyM | find out what changed on the computer |
| 16:52.21 | JefferyM | has anyone upgraded it? or changed it in any way? |
| 16:53.28 | Frances92 | the guy who comes to fix the computer when something goes wrong has been on it and he does stuff, but i don't know what |
| 16:53.42 | Frances92 | and it costs money to get him to come in |
| 16:53.54 | JefferyM | then he did something that chagned it |
| 16:54.03 | JefferyM | or something else is broke |
| 16:54.07 | JefferyM | we are at the limit of what we can do |
| 16:54.14 | JefferyM | since the problem isn't really with our software |
| 16:54.20 | Frances92 | k |
| 16:56.21 | Frances92 | :( so you can't help me try figure out whats wrong with the computer's software or anything? |
| 16:56.31 | CBG` | They tried... |
| 16:56.57 | JefferyM | we've given you all the ideas we have |
| 16:57.09 | JefferyM | its' very hard to figure out what is wrong with a computer just by what someone says over IRC |
| 16:57.25 | Frances92 | aw ok :) well thanx so much for trying |
| 16:57.33 | JefferyM | best of luck |
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| 16:59.05 | Frances92 | thanks brad, Pimpi, CBG, blast007, ruskie, joevco and JefferyM :) |
| 16:59.21 | CBG` | Heh. I didn't help at all. ;) |
| 16:59.48 | Frances92 | ya, but you were entertainment :P |
| 16:59.54 | CBG` | "D |
| 17:00.38 | Frances92 | oh btw can i come back here to chat even when i don't have a problem with bz? |
| 17:01.27 | spldart | This is a development channel.. Prolly shouldn't just be chatting in here.. even though it happens from time to time. |
| 17:01.46 | spldart | maybe #bzflag-chat or some other ot type channel. |
| 17:02.03 | Frances92 | kk :) no worries |
| 17:02.04 | JefferyM | anyone can come back here if they wish |
| 17:02.21 | Frances92 | awesome :) |
| 17:02.40 | spldart | Yeah.. It can be fun to hang and watch the coders talk tech |
| 17:02.55 | JefferyM | like that happens often |
| 17:03.00 | spldart | heh |
| 17:03.39 | Frances92 | hahaha - anyways i've got to go fr supper!! Bye all! x |
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| 18:23.11 | nightstrike | 27 minutes :| |
| 18:23.19 | nightstrike | oops...37 |
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| 19:05.39 | Will07c5 | yay! results are out |
| 19:05.59 | CBG` | Link? :) |
| 19:06.01 | Wyk3d | woohoo :D |
| 19:06.05 | Will07c5 | http://socghop.appspot.com/org/home/google/gsoc2009/bzflag |
| 19:06.34 | CBG` | Thanks. |
| 19:07.00 | CBG` | 500 Sever Error :( |
| 19:07.01 | Cygal | who's on the list? server is failing |
| 19:07.14 | Will07c5 | Istvan Szakats - BZAuthd, the global authentication daemon |
| 19:07.16 | Thumper_ | just try again |
| 19:07.23 | Will07c5 | William Hahne - BZWorkbench Enhancement |
| 19:07.31 | Will07c5 | mathew eis - Repair, clean up, document, and finalize the BZRobots implementation. |
| 19:07.38 | Will07c5 | quentin pradet - Cygal: Lots o' bug fixing |
| 19:08.12 | Cygal | great, thanks :) |
| 19:08.23 | Cygal | congratulations to the other students |
| 19:09.22 | Cygal | so no one got in for the modularization of game logic? |
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| 19:14.11 | nightstrike | hey... who all got selected? |
| 19:14.50 | Wyk3d | http://socghop.appspot.com/org/home/google/gsoc2009/bzflag |
| 19:14.59 | CBG` | Istvan Szakats, William Hahne, mathew eis, quentin pradet. |
| 19:15.15 | nightstrike | darn... |
| 19:15.20 | nightstrike | better luck next time i guess :| |
| 19:15.54 | Cygal | nightstrike: at least you can still work on you proposal |
| 19:16.12 | temp_work | I'm sure the project would he happy if you still did some work on your area |
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| 19:16.44 | nightstrike | of course, I'll be around with bzflag I guess |
| 19:18.34 | joevano | and look on the brightside... no mentors breating down your neck |
| 19:18.49 | joevano | breathing* |
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| 19:27.45 | Will07c5 | well congrats to everyone who was selected :) |
| 19:30.41 | Santosh_IIIT | where do we get to see the list of accepted student proposals? |
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| 19:31.00 | catay | Santosh_IIIT: http://socghop.appspot.com/org/home/google/gsoc2009/bzflag |
| 19:31.11 | catay | ~bzlist |
| 19:31.35 | catay | meh |
| 19:32.01 | catay | ~bzlist |
| 19:34.52 | *** topic/#bzflag by Thumper_ -> http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || Channel Logs: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || Latest Release: 2.0.12 (linux), 2.0.10 (everyone else) || GSoC 2009 Accepted Applications http://socghop.appspot.com/org/home/google/gsoc2009/bzflag |
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| 20:04.16 | JefferyM | Cygal, we would have picked one for that project if we were doing more students. |
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| 20:05.33 | adityav | did't get selected :( |
| 20:06.04 | Erroneous | there were a lot of good applications, couldn't accept them all |
| 20:06.28 | JefferyM | I know he left, but nightstrike was high on the list, just didn't make our cut |
| 20:06.41 | JefferyM | he most defenatly should apply next year |
| 20:07.08 | JefferyM | if anyone wants to know why they didn't get it we will glady discuss it |
| 20:07.30 | adityav | me! |
| 20:07.43 | JefferyM | you want private or public? |
| 20:10.03 | adityav | private if you think |
| 20:10.04 | Erroneous | either way is fine with us |
| 20:10.04 | JefferyM | great.. I can't open your proposal :) |
| 20:10.04 | JefferyM | it was openGL right? |
| 20:10.04 | adityav | yea |
| 20:10.04 | Erroneous | yup |
| 20:10.05 | JefferyM | the bigest thing on that one was that we decided that a GL cleanup project would take a lot of time away from the release |
| 20:10.43 | adityav | oho |
| 20:10.52 | JefferyM | yours was one of the better proposals for that project |
| 20:11.01 | JefferyM | the design needed some work but you did a lot more then others did |
| 20:11.07 | CBG` | What about me? |
| 20:11.30 | JefferyM | but in the end the the 4 that were picked just had more concrete plans |
| 20:11.43 | CBG` | Should I have submitted a proposal? Would that have helped? |
| 20:11.56 | JefferyM | CBG`, it was because of the incedent involving the chickents |
| 20:11.58 | JefferyM | chickens |
| 20:12.03 | Erroneous | CBG`: your proposal was crap, no detail at all :P |
| 20:12.12 | JefferyM | the stains will never come out |
| 20:12.40 | CBG` | But it was fun, no? |
| 20:12.45 | JefferyM | adityav, if we had a lot more mentors and devs you would probably have been a good contender for that project |
| 20:12.52 | JefferyM | CBG`, tell that to the cop |
| 20:12.53 | Erroneous | adityav: you should apply next year if you still qualify |
| 20:12.54 | CBG` | And you always said you hate the colour of your carpet... |
| 20:13.14 | JefferyM | adityav, indeed. hagnging around here will also help |
| 20:13.26 | Erroneous | we did not have enough mentoring resources to take every good project |
| 20:13.52 | adityav | i do qualify fr next yr too. Although as for now, i don't hav anything todo this summer. |
| 20:14.02 | JefferyM | the students we picked were ones with high involvmenet. |
| 20:14.39 | Erroneous | well, you're always welcome to hang around and submit patches for stuff that bugs you |
| 20:14.50 | brlcad | CBG`: at least no relevant detail.. you just kept going on and on about pie |
| 20:15.05 | JefferyM | submit enough patches and we'll just give you commit access anyway :) |
| 20:15.20 | Erroneous | s/enough/enough decent/ :) |
| 20:15.25 | JefferyM | true |
| 20:15.32 | CBG` | But pie is in huge demand from all players! |
| 20:15.51 | JefferyM | now if we had just released, we'd have been much more inclined to take a code reorg project then a bug fix project |
| 20:16.08 | JefferyM | so part of it was just about where we were in our process. |
| 20:16.23 | adityav | If had i known about that fact, would have thought of something else |
| 20:16.32 | JefferyM | it was a good proposal |
| 20:16.40 | JefferyM | and at the time, we didn't know untill we saw all of em |
| 20:16.41 | Erroneous | that's one of the reasons we suggested that people submit more than one proposal |
| 20:16.47 | JefferyM | it's just something that happens :) |
| 20:17.01 | JefferyM | if there had not been a good bug fix proposal, we may have done a spliter |
| 20:17.27 | JefferyM | it all comes down to what resources we have, and how much of them we think the studens will take |
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| 20:18.08 | adityav | google doesn't allow students to view details of proposals? |
| 20:18.18 | JefferyM | what do you mean? |
| 20:18.31 | brlcad | also keep in mind that we were originally only going to accept 2 slots .. it's a pretty big stretch that we ended up with 4 |
| 20:18.47 | brlcad | adityav: no, just the abstract |
| 20:18.48 | CBG` | Wasn't it 4 last year though? |
| 20:18.51 | Erroneous | you should be able to view your own |
| 20:18.53 | brlcad | CBG`: no it was 6 |
| 20:18.54 | JefferyM | CBG`, 6 |
| 20:18.56 | Erroneous | CBG`: 6 last year |
| 20:18.56 | brlcad | 4 the first year |
| 20:18.58 | CBG` | Yikes. |
| 20:18.58 | Erroneous | too many |
| 20:19.12 | JefferyM | 4 will keep us on our toes |
| 20:19.15 | brlcad | too many with that particular selection of students+projects |
| 20:19.16 | JefferyM | we have less mentors then last year |
| 20:19.17 | adityav | I can only see abstracts of accepted students, I was hoping to learn about writing nice ones fr nxt yr |
| 20:19.28 | JefferyM | the students have been much more active this year too |
| 20:19.32 | JefferyM | so hopefully that will help |
| 20:19.49 | brlcad | adityav: we'll have everyone put their details up on the wiki |
| 20:19.58 | JefferyM | it was very easy to split the proposals this year too, they quicly fell into 2 camps |
| 20:20.22 | JefferyM | then we just had to draw the line on what we felt we could handle |
| 20:20.32 | JefferyM | wanted to do 3 |
| 20:20.38 | brlcad | then we crossed the line and crossed our fingers ;) |
| 20:20.42 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 20:21.10 | brlcad | wanted 3, blame JBdiGriz everyone ;) |
| 20:21.16 | Erroneous | hm, that's interesting: of the students who submitted two proposals, we accepted 40%. Of those who submitted one proposal, we accepted 8.3%. |
| 20:21.21 | JefferyM | I blame the good proposals |
| 20:21.47 | brlcad | yeah, it really came down to so many good proposals -- many of the applicants did a fantastic job this year |
| 20:22.22 | brlcad | Erroneous: kinda undersampled, but that is interesting |
| 20:23.02 | brlcad | probably a small correllation of students putting forth extra effort to realize they need a 'backup' with such a small selection count being made |
| 20:23.08 | Wyk3d | wanted to do two as well but didn't have the time |
| 20:23.10 | brlcad | kudos to them |
| 20:23.20 | brlcad | Wyk3d: you skew the results! |
| 20:23.34 | Wyk3d | hides in shame |
| 20:23.41 | Erroneous | Wyk3d: heh, that would have thrown it off a bit :) |
| 20:27.09 | adityav | well, I am sad. I had thought of using my BZFlag Knowledge to develop a game that's been invading my mind for 3 yrs. Going to sleep it away :) |
| 20:27.33 | adityav | bye |
| 20:27.37 | brlcad | adityav: sorry to hear that! |
| 20:27.51 | brlcad | you are always welcome to contribute |
| 20:28.01 | brlcad | the beauty of open source is that you still can |
| 20:28.37 | adityav | Tinkering with BZFlag code has given me a lot of insight into how a game runs. Specifically, the huge importance of a game engine. |
| 20:29.39 | adityav | I don't regret making the application, its was a nice learning experience. |
| 20:29.51 | brlcad | important, yes, but obviously not necessarily for it to be 'good' to be popular ;) |
| 20:30.11 | brlcad | adityav: what year are you? |
| 20:30.17 | adityav | 3rd yr |
| 20:30.45 | brlcad | if it's not your last academic year and we participate, you should apply again next year given how strong your application was |
| 20:31.06 | brlcad | a year to get involved with the project (for any student) vastly increases your chances |
| 20:31.22 | adityav | I will definately apply! |
| 20:32.45 | adityav | I hope you don't enter another realease cycle :P, I still would like to work on OpenGL based stuff only |
| 20:33.59 | trepan | it'll only be a year, there's only a 17% that there'll be a release by then ;-) |
| 20:34.25 | Erroneous | adityav: I doubt anyone will do it before next summer :) |
| 20:34.31 | adityav | oh cool :) |
| 20:35.17 | JefferyM | anyone else? |
| 20:35.20 | Erroneous | adityav: yours was one of the, if not the, strongest application we got for that project |
| 20:36.37 | adityav | i think i will do some bugfixes which will help in easing out the implementation for nxt yr GSOC. |
| 20:36.44 | JefferyM | cool |
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| 20:37.57 | JefferyM | if there was anything I think you should have worked on during the application process, it would have been your participation with the project during the selection phase. The students that were selected did a lot of work for the propject and were very interactive here. |
| 20:38.03 | JefferyM | but that'd be about it |
| 20:39.49 | adityav | will keep in mind |
| 20:40.39 | Erroneous | doesn't penalize people for lurking, though...it's something I do a lot myself :) |
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| 20:40.56 | KingRobot | Hey Guys |
| 20:41.00 | KingRobot | I'm about to head to class |
| 20:41.02 | JefferyM | true, lurking is more then some others did ;) |
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| 20:41.12 | KingRobot | Just saw that I was accepted |
| 20:41.15 | Erroneous | howdy KingRobot. congrats, btw. |
| 20:41.20 | JefferyM | congrats |
| 20:41.24 | KingRobot | So, thanks to all who were part of that :) |
| 20:41.36 | KingRobot | ... and I'm very excited about working with you all this summer :) |
| 20:42.07 | KingRobot | heads to class |
| 20:42.29 | Erroneous | should be a fun summer :) |
| 20:49.15 | JBdiGriz | accepts the blame for accepting a fourth proposal |
| 20:50.04 | Erroneous | we all agreed to it, can't just blame you :P |
| 20:50.55 | JBdiGriz | Everyone blames me anyway, so it hardly makes a difference. :) |
| 21:03.01 | CBG` | I don't blame you, JBdiGriz! |
| 21:03.26 | joevano | i blame CBG` |
| 21:03.30 | CBG` | :( |
| 21:04.26 | CBG` | As if anyone would have listened even if I had had an opinion on something I didn't know was even taking place! |
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| 21:20.50 | brlcad | congratulations KingofCamelot |
| 21:21.03 | brlcad | er, meant kingrobot, but he left :) |
| 21:21.45 | brlcad | sorry KingofCamelot :( |
| 21:22.01 | Winny | brlcad: what you mean I didn't get in? bah! |
| 21:22.03 | Winny | foiled again |
| 21:22.30 | JBdiGriz | Winny: of course you got in! Start coding immediately. You just don't get paid. |
| 21:22.38 | Winny | :p |
| 21:22.58 | Winny | If you have anything that needs to be done in Objective C, let me know |
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| 21:32.48 | KingofCamelot | brlcad, getting my hopes up and what not. :P |
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