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03:04.16CIA-60BZFlag: 03trepan * r19646 10/trunk/bzflag/ (160 files in 12 dirs):
03:04.16CIA-60BZFlag: * more fvec'ing fun ...
03:04.16CIA-60BZFlag:  - removed the vecN<T>(const T v[N]) constructors
03:04.16CIA-60BZFlag:  - added the vec3<T>.xy(), vec3<T>.yz(), vec4<T>.xyz(), and
03:04.16CIA-60BZFlag:  vec4<T>.yzw() swizzle style sub-classing calls
03:04.18CIA-60BZFlag:  - re-added the rotate calls for vec2<T> and vec3<T>
03:04.21trepananother 290K, getting there ...
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03:05.26trepanhm, s/sub-classing/sub-casting/ ?
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12:56.08delusionalis there currently a way to dis-allow the dropping of flags?
12:56.25delusional....lock flags onto tanks.
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14:00.39RatOmeterthere is for bad flags
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14:49.29CIA-60BZFlag: 03Dexter 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5757 10/w/Category:Leagues: added links, bzsoccer added
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15:32.13BulletCatcherdelusional: I see no way to prevent a player from dropping a good flag, other than the usual rules for PZ and OO.
15:32.14BulletCatcherIt looks like only a modest effort would be needed to add such a feature to trunk.
15:32.59delusionali was asking for a new mapper that posted on the forum, wants to do an all-theif map
15:33.24delusionalit seems like it could have it's uses... not for theif though
15:34.16BulletCatcherIf *all* tanks have thief there won't be anything interesting to steal.
15:35.00delusionalone thng i'd like to test on trunk is taking flags away, then immediately giving the player a new flag...  we could barely get it to work on 2.0.10, problems with lag.
15:36.08BulletCatcherTrunk's server-centric control should make that work better.
15:36.40delusionalhad to add a 1 second delay between the take and the give
15:37.36BulletCatcherWith trunk, you should be able to change it with a single atomic operation.
15:37.56delusionalI have several good concepts that depend on the ability to zap flags to players at certain times,  it would be nice if we could do that, without first taking away the previous flag.
15:40.22BulletCatcherI don't think there is a flag-change event in trunk right now, but I see no reason why we shouldn't add one that could be controlled by a plugin.  Patches welcome.
15:40.59delusionalyeah.. interesting the way i start that last sentence with "I", then finish with "we"
15:41.09BulletCatcher:-)
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16:24.31trepandelusional: yes, it's already possible to block flagDrops
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16:59.43trepandelusional:  in LuaWorld:  script.SetCallIn('ForbidFlagDrop', function return true end)
16:59.55trepan(also requires -luaworldReq on the bzfs command line)
17:00.42trepanoops,  s/function/function()/
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18:24.49MurielleJeffM ?
18:25.08JeffMMurielle ?
18:25.55Muriellesomeone (who is smart) told me you could give me a cloak ?
18:26.19Muriellewait... in fact, he is not so smart ...
18:26.35JeffMI can request one from freenode yes, but I can not give them out
18:27.25JeffMI don't see a bzbb name for this nic
18:27.27Muriellea bzflag's cloak ? i would love it
18:27.37a_temp_distMurielle = Lamu
18:27.43Muriellemy callsign is Lamu on bz
18:28.06JeffMyou've had a fourm account for 2 days
18:28.20Murielleprobably
18:28.31JeffMnot probably, you have
18:28.36Muriellei have played for a while like an unregistred player
18:28.48JeffMthere are some rules about who we give cloaks out to
18:29.03Muriellerules? what is a rule?
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18:29.24JeffMhttp://my.bzflag.org/w/IRC_Cloaks
18:29.37JeffMbasicly you haven't been around enough
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18:29.40Murielleoh that?
18:29.44JeffMyeah that
18:29.54Murielle:-D
18:30.03JeffMif people with cloaks do bad things it reflects poorly on us
18:30.09JeffMlet me guess your like 14?
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18:31.04Muriellearound 14
18:31.07Muriellealmost 15
18:31.15JeffMthat would be 14 ;)
18:31.24Muriellebut i am very mature :-D
18:31.32JeffMriigghht
18:32.03JeffMbe part of the community for a while, participate in stuff, then you'll earn a cloak easy
18:32.08JeffMhow long have you been on IRC?
18:32.33Muriellemay you take into account my sister's contribution ?
18:32.38JeffMno
18:32.48JeffMeach there own
18:32.56JeffMit's just time, not really a big deal
18:32.59Muriellehhheeeee!!!!  same blood !! same genetic !!!
18:33.14JeffMand that matters how?
18:33.22Murielleof course
18:33.45Muriellebtw
18:33.49Muriellethank you JeffM
18:33.58JeffMsure thing
18:34.04Murielleand see you later ;-)
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18:34.35JeffMthat was.... odd
18:34.51a_temp_distshe is worried about her IP leaking on IRC
18:35.01a_temp_distI thought she might get a cloak faster here
18:35.22JeffMwhy could someone be worried about your "ip leaking"
18:35.27a_temp_distno idea
18:35.40JeffMthat's just people that don't know what that means
18:35.46a_temp_distright
18:35.48JeffMevery where you go on the internet gets your IP
18:36.02JeffMso rather then explain it, you got her to push for a cloak?
18:36.02JeffMheh
18:36.20a_temp_distsome people are stubborn
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18:41.15MuriellejeffM ?
18:41.19JeffMyes
18:41.33Murielletimes has passed .... have you changed your position ? :-D
18:41.42JeffMmatture.. yeah
18:41.44Muriellei am joking ....
18:43.23brlcadheh
18:43.53JeffMis amazed that a 2 line code change can make a 210k file into a 17k file
18:43.54brlcadnot to feed the beast, but that was kinda funny :)
18:44.15Murielleahhhh  brlcad !!!
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18:44.30brlcadMurielle: hm?
18:44.31JeffMhe won't give you one ether
18:44.46Muriellehehe
18:44.50Muriellei didnt ask !
18:44.52JeffMthere isn't much anyone can really do with your IP that they coudln't do other ways
18:44.55JeffMyou were going to
18:45.03Murielleno..i didnt!
18:45.10JeffMriiiigghhhhhtttt
18:45.23Muriellei was going to ask to ibot
18:45.33Murielle(joking again)
18:45.41JeffMwhy are you here, really?
18:45.57Muriellei have my reasons
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18:46.11JeffMI see
18:46.13Muriellebut i am not asking for a cloak anymore
18:46.20brlcadhugs Murielle
18:46.22Muriellesomething else
18:46.46MurielleJeffM ? see how brlcad is so niiiiice
18:46.49JeffMis happy that brlcad gets to be good cop this time.
18:47.23JeffMgoes back to work
18:48.35Murielleis whispering to brlcad how grumpy JeffM is ;-)
18:48.55JeffMperhaps bzflag-chat is better for what you want to do
18:49.14Murielleyes...but i still need a C----K
18:49.31brlcadMurielle: hang around for a couple months first
18:49.34Gnurduxwrong number of dashes
18:49.34JeffM1) no you don't, 2) you arn't getting one for bzflag untill you meet the requirements.
18:49.49JeffMno mater what your story is
18:49.53MurielleGnurdux: dont tell them !!!
18:50.25MuriellejeffM: i dont ask anything
18:50.33Muriellewhy are you so Gruuuumpy ?
18:50.45JeffMi'm not
18:50.49Muriellealmost agressive....
18:50.56JeffMnot really
18:51.04Murielleu seem
18:51.05JeffMjust practical
18:51.30Muriellei seeeeeeee
18:52.55JeffMactualy it seems to me that you are the one that is doing most of the proding.
18:53.21JeffMbut such is life
18:53.53Murielleis going to be quiet :-|
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19:08.52delusionaltrepan, that looks good.  Another problem we have is... Using plugins, we have to take the player's current flag before we can give them a new one...  Never did figure out why an admin using /flag give can override the current flag, but the plugin can't.
19:10.07blast007delusional: did you compare the code?
19:10.21delusionalblast, this was theme97
19:10.53blast007wonder if he tried the 'force' option
19:10.56blast007BZF_API bool bz_givePlayerFlag ( int playeID, const char* flagType, bool force )
19:11.27JeffMI belive that was added just for that reason
19:12.03delusionalprogflag source http://theme.freehostia.com/bzflag/plugins/progFlag/progFlag.cpp
19:12.44blast007bz_givePlayerFlag(playerID, flag.c_str(), false);  (force is set to false)
19:12.45JeffMyeah force is false
19:14.49delusionallooking at dates, the plugin was devised for 2.0.8. I suppose that plugin could be updated.
19:20.04blast007if it was passing 'false', then the force option would have already existed at that time
19:20.33JeffMit looks just like it wasn't writen correctly in the first place ;)
19:23.32delusionali remember now..  a lot of times using the force would fail, leaving the player with no flag.  We found that taking before giving was much more reliable, and still it occasionally fails,  almost certainly do to lag or lost packets
19:26.17blast007did you ever file a bug report about that?
19:26.38delusionalno, i chalked it up to theme97 being 14 years old.
19:27.00delusionalhe still shows up occasionally.
19:29.47delusionalwe also needed at least a 3/4 second delay between the take and the give.
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19:40.02JeffMhammer to screw... incomming!
19:40.53Winny-_-
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