| 00:01.55 | delerious | we have also banned most of IP's in countries of india and china. laggers! |
| 00:02.32 | dexter- | Bluer! |
| 00:02.39 | trepan | JefferyM: doesn't that DT guy work there too :) |
| 00:09.00 | Bulldozer | brlcad - you were the one who just built current trunk under 10.4, right? |
| 00:12.25 | Bulldozer | bullet_catcher's patch (r19300) is no good for 10.5 |
| 00:22.00 | JefferyM | trepan, I highly doubt he's a cheater ;) |
| 00:22.04 | JefferyM | or plays from work |
| 00:22.19 | JefferyM | I was just checking the overlcock of the GMA chipset on the netbook |
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| 00:50.50 | delerious | looks like wings3d has been approved for gsoc and they have some of the same priorities as bzflag. ie bugfixes |
| 00:57.12 | Bulldozer | brlcad: Looks like it doesn't crash under 10.5 |
| 00:57.46 | Bulldozer | brlcad: Although I had to make some minor source changes to get it to build |
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| 02:03.25 | Will07c5 | I just submitted the patch for the dead reckoning bug, it is still occasionally a little buggy when landing on obstacles other than the ground. I'll look into why that is later since I need to get my applications ready to submit and spring break is almost over |
| 02:03.46 | a_meteorite | what is this DR bug you speak of? |
| 02:04.31 | JeffM | the dr bug |
| 02:04.38 | Will07c5 | if lag was high enough, the tank would occasionally hover in the air for a split second after landing |
| 02:04.54 | JeffM | that's not the only part of it :) |
| 02:04.57 | JeffM | but one of them |
| 02:05.01 | JeffM | there is still some XY issues |
| 02:05.07 | Will07c5 | yeah I noticed |
| 02:05.10 | JeffM | but cool that you fixed the landing problem |
| 02:05.17 | JeffM | I'm sure it's a combination of little things |
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| 02:06.34 | a_meteorite | is this related to some of the 2.0 jumpy tank weirdness that's been reported a few times? |
| 02:07.01 | JeffM | no |
| 02:07.06 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 02:07.06 | JeffM | well maybe |
| 02:07.12 | JeffM | there are dr bugs in 2.0 |
| 02:07.17 | JeffM | but we arn't talking about 2.0 |
| 02:07.22 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 02:07.32 | JeffM | 2.0 == dead |
| 02:07.32 | a_meteorite | well a bug fixed is a bug .. earned? :) |
| 02:09.29 | Will07c5 | if you have any more bugs that you want fixed I might try to fix them, but I probably won't be able to for the next week since I have three exams and a bunch of homework due :/ |
| 02:09.52 | JeffM | well we want them ALL fixed but you must do what you must;) |
| 02:11.08 | Will07c5 | well I'll help as much as I can :) |
| 02:11.26 | JeffM | best to get a strong application in |
| 02:11.39 | Will07c5 | yeah that is what I am going to work on now |
| 02:11.46 | Will07c5 | well have been working on |
| 02:11.47 | JeffM | cool |
| 02:12.09 | Will07c5 | I'm mostly interested in bzworkbench so I'll probably get that one in first |
| 02:14.30 | Will07c5 | even if I don't get selected I'll probably be interested in helping out with bzflag |
| 02:14.46 | JeffM | cool |
| 02:21.27 | delerious | very |
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| 03:42.15 | JeffM | anyone got a recent client that can help me test? |
| 03:42.39 | blast007 | how recent? |
| 03:42.55 | JeffM | "can connect" recent :) |
| 03:42.56 | blast007 | last week? |
| 03:42.57 | blast007 | heh |
| 03:43.04 | blast007 | probably then |
| 03:43.13 | blast007 | which server? |
| 03:43.21 | JeffM | the one with a player ;) |
| 03:43.24 | JeffM | yours |
| 03:43.25 | JeffM | hix |
| 03:43.32 | blast007 | 1 sec, let me try |
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| 03:46.37 | JeffM | that works |
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| 03:52.10 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19542 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ (Player.cxx Player.h): |
| 03:52.10 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: Update the DR when a tank hits an object when falling in Z. Set a new temporary |
| 03:52.10 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: DR point from that position onward, since we expect to get a real DR update |
| 03:52.10 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: shortly. Probably should also check for hits in XY and stop those vectors too to |
| 03:52.10 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: be complete, but this is better then ignoring it. Thanks to William Hahne for |
| 03:52.13 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: narrowing in on the fix (based on patch 271790) |
| 03:53.36 | JeffM | getting closer |
| 03:53.44 | JeffM | your tank was quite smooth blast007 |
| 03:53.57 | blast007 | cool |
| 03:54.17 | JeffM | I bet if you jumped and ran into a wall it wouldn't work well tho |
| 03:54.27 | spldart | Is there a dev/gsoc channel back up yet? |
| 03:54.31 | JeffM | yeah |
| 03:54.34 | JeffM | same as last year |
| 03:54.55 | spldart | Please pm me the channel name... I'm drawing a blank. |
| 03:55.13 | JeffM | #yourMammaizATank |
| 03:55.20 | spldart | Oh yeah |
| 03:55.25 | spldart | How could I forget |
| 03:58.56 | KingRobot | So JeffM: Essentially your saying that I should remove Phase II part 2, and then it'd be a reasonable application? |
| 03:59.08 | KingRobot | (based on your comments earlier) |
| 03:59.25 | JeffM | I just don't think you should mention even trying to do the libgame part in the projct |
| 03:59.49 | JeffM | if you end up colaborating on it with whoever does it, great |
| 03:59.56 | KingRobot | Okay |
| 03:59.58 | JeffM | but it should not be anywhere near your projects goals |
| 04:00.23 | KingRobot | How do you think it looks otherwise? |
| 04:00.28 | JeffM | generaly good |
| 04:00.51 | JeffM | if this was a comercial development project, I'd just have you wait untill libGame was done before starting robots :) |
| 04:00.57 | JeffM | cus you'd have other stuff to do |
| 04:02.10 | KingRobot | Yeah, I can see that... |
| 04:02.21 | KingRobot | How are things looking for the refactoring work? |
| 04:02.29 | KingRobot | Had any good apps yet? |
| 04:02.34 | JeffM | it is one of the most popular submissions |
| 04:02.46 | JeffM | if we don't get at least SOMEONE on it I'll be very supprised |
| 04:02.57 | KingRobot | Well you said you wanted it most :) |
| 04:03.23 | KingRobot | Any other good projects? |
| 04:03.28 | JeffM | if that super rare case were to happen, then the robot project may end up moving the few things the client uses to it's own lib, and that lib would be the start of the game lib |
| 04:03.39 | JeffM | yeah, gl, workbench |
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| 04:03.41 | JeffM | etc... |
| 04:03.52 | JeffM | nothing really unique tho |
| 04:03.58 | JeffM | and that's good |
| 04:04.36 | KingRobot | Why's that good? I'd have thought you would have wanted something unique (i.e. focused) |
| 04:05.39 | JeffM | the goal this time is for simple projects that help with making the app better |
| 04:05.57 | JeffM | it'd suck to have someone come up with a really cool idea, but have to turn them down cus it's not what we want to do right now :) |
| 04:06.09 | JeffM | not that new ideas are bad or anything |
| 04:06.15 | JeffM | just less drama |
| 04:06.21 | KingRobot | I see what you mean. |
| 04:06.39 | JeffM | that means that people are seeing our needs and understanding, so that's cool |
| 04:09.10 | KingRobot | You've done a pretty good job of layout it all out on the table. |
| 04:09.17 | KingRobot | s/layout/laying/ |
| 04:09.38 | JeffM | I just wish we could do a good job of making a release :) |
| 04:10.14 | KingRobot | Yeah, 3.0 has been in the works for what, 2 years? |
| 04:10.27 | JeffM | I also wish I knew how to build an octree and I could find a smart redheaded girlfriend. |
| 04:10.31 | JeffM | more |
| 04:11.16 | KingRobot | Hmm, I've only gone as far as a trie, and I got married, but not to a redhead :) |
| 04:11.30 | KingRobot | So can't help you there. :( |
| 04:11.42 | JeffM | I'll live |
| 04:12.01 | JeffM | at least I can read about the octree on the interwebs |
| 04:37.03 | JeffM | blast007: I was just gonna put "WTF?" for that post :) |
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| 04:58.39 | blast007 | for which one? |
| 04:58.53 | blast007 | the flag one? |
| 04:59.42 | JeffM | yeah |
| 05:11.46 | JeffM | needs to texture the new pod :/ |
| 05:12.08 | nightstrike | hi guys, have you checked out my proposal? I submitted it yesterday |
| 05:13.35 | JeffM | what's your real name? |
| 05:15.45 | nightstrike | Lalith Suresh |
| 05:18.05 | JeffM | I have added a comment |
| 05:18.10 | JeffM | you don't need a "hook up" phase |
| 05:18.16 | JeffM | you will make the lib at the very start |
| 05:18.21 | JeffM | and move code INTO it |
| 05:18.30 | JeffM | so at every move you will know it works in that lib :) |
| 05:18.44 | JeffM | when you are done you have a working bzflag that just happens to have that code in a lib |
| 05:19.09 | JeffM | then you can look at other executables and see how they can benifit from libgame, etc.. |
| 05:19.33 | nightstrike | oh, you mean the 'hook up' i've listed in deliverables? |
| 05:19.37 | JeffM | yeah |
| 05:19.41 | JeffM | that's actualy step 1 ;) |
| 05:19.53 | nightstrike | oops, that was from the last version of my app |
| 05:19.57 | nightstrike | forgot to take it off |
| 05:20.03 | JeffM | you can edit it out then |
| 05:20.09 | nightstrike | so that's correction number 1. Anything else? |
| 05:21.11 | nightstrike | made the change, I'll just update the pdf as well |
| 05:22.07 | JeffM | now that you've applied, the PDF is basicly meaningless |
| 05:22.15 | JeffM | we will all look at the application |
| 05:22.40 | JeffM | gahhh. what the heck is with students and tiny fonts! |
| 05:23.17 | nightstrike | hehe, I just copy pasted stuff from the .odt to there. I'll adjust the fonts. Hold on. |
| 05:23.56 | JeffM | yours is fine |
| 05:24.07 | JeffM | some others have like 6pt fonts |
| 05:24.20 | nightstrike | :) |
| 05:24.21 | JeffM | it's like the same size as the links on the left side of the app |
| 05:24.32 | JeffM | and it's just like sections |
| 05:24.39 | JeffM | not even the entire thing, just parts |
| 05:25.12 | nightstrike | hehe |
| 05:25.28 | JeffM | you used the font sizes in a smart way |
| 05:25.31 | JeffM | to show sections |
| 05:25.38 | nightstrike | :) |
| 05:25.44 | nightstrike | what other changes should I make to the application? |
| 05:25.52 | JeffM | tho you have a lot lof double space, if I had to make any complaints about it |
| 05:25.56 | nightstrike | does it need more detail? some more info maybe? |
| 05:25.59 | JeffM | to me the rest looks ok |
| 05:26.02 | JeffM | others will review it |
| 05:26.05 | nightstrike | like I said, I just copy pasted :) |
| 05:26.12 | JeffM | you've got more detail then some others :) |
| 05:26.23 | JeffM | "I will move the GL code" |
| 05:26.32 | JeffM | yeah.... not exactly detail there skip :) |
| 05:26.42 | nightstrike | :D |
| 05:27.05 | JeffM | every app has a comment now from me, so everyone can edit |
| 05:27.13 | nightstrike | Now I can fully focus on making that patch eh? |
| 05:27.28 | JeffM | do you want to submit more then one application? |
| 05:27.57 | nightstrike | I think I'll apply for modularization of OpenGL code as well |
| 05:28.06 | JeffM | I'd get that done before the patch |
| 05:28.18 | JeffM | as in a pinch we'll be cool with the patch coming in after the deadline |
| 05:28.29 | KingRobot | brlcad told me to focus on the patch rather than a second application... |
| 05:28.29 | JeffM | since realy it's JUST a skills test |
| 05:28.34 | JeffM | really? |
| 05:28.46 | JeffM | well I don't think we'll have dupes for you |
| 05:28.52 | JeffM | I'm worried about dupes |
| 05:28.55 | nightstrike | This coming week is (irritatingly) hectic for me, so I don't think I'll get time to apply to any other organization |
| 05:28.57 | nightstrike | dupes as in? |
| 05:29.07 | JeffM | if we have 2 GOOOD people applying for the same proejct, I can only accept 1 |
| 05:29.16 | nightstrike | So I'll just focus on BZFlag alone. And I'm kind of much in love with it :) |
| 05:29.18 | JeffM | yet if they have 2 applications, we have more leeway |
| 05:29.32 | nightstrike | oh. That'd be a difficult choice for you guys eh? |
| 05:29.36 | JeffM | yeah |
| 05:29.40 | JeffM | last year we had that happen |
| 05:30.15 | nightstrike | I chickened out of gsoc last year. Didn't have a clue as to what all those organizations were talking about in their ideas pages! |
| 05:30.17 | JeffM | and had to turn away some good people and take some more risky people just because they had applied for the same idea as another |
| 05:30.36 | nightstrike | oh. How many students did you take in last year? |
| 05:30.44 | JeffM | unfortonately 6 |
| 05:30.56 | JeffM | we had a lot of apps for the improved list server |
| 05:31.05 | nightstrike | oh |
| 05:31.06 | JeffM | and had 3 really good people apply for it |
| 05:31.19 | nightstrike | the refactoring projects are the popular ones this year? |
| 05:31.25 | JeffM | so we assigned the best one for it, but had to turn away the other 2, and pick up some lower ranked proejcts |
| 05:31.28 | JeffM | yeah |
| 05:31.43 | JeffM | one of those lower ranked ones failed |
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| 05:31.47 | nightstrike | oh |
| 05:31.50 | nightstrike | sad |
| 05:31.52 | JeffM | yeah |
| 05:32.00 | JeffM | the dude just didn't have it together |
| 05:32.17 | JeffM | but we couldn't convert the other 2 list server guys over to a new proejct |
| 05:32.27 | JeffM | cus you have to deliver what they proposed, and rank them on that, etc.. |
| 05:32.48 | KingRobot | JeffM: Is the current trunk working under linux that you know of? |
| 05:32.54 | nightstrike | I don't think I'll get enough time to work on a proposal for the bug fixes, I think it'll take a lot of time to chart out. |
| 05:33.01 | JeffM | KingRobot: haven't heard that it isn't :) |
| 05:33.11 | JeffM | linux and me don't realy get along that well |
| 05:33.24 | JeffM | nightstrike: that's a REALY hard one to define |
| 05:34.00 | JeffM | you wany my advice, go for graphics |
| 05:34.00 | JeffM | it's so similar to the game splitup it'll be easy to propose |
| 05:34.00 | nightstrike | graphics is definite! |
| 05:34.00 | nightstrike | i mean |
| 05:34.00 | nightstrike | I'll anyway be applying there |
| 05:34.03 | JeffM | then that's fine |
| 05:34.04 | KingRobot | JeffM: I've been successful at building and running the OS X and Windows builds, but the linux one is failing for me.... (It compiles, but bails out on running at creating the window) |
| 05:34.10 | JeffM | I don't think we'll have that many dupes this year |
| 05:34.11 | nightstrike | To think I was cursing my computer graphics teacher all semester! :P |
| 05:34.25 | JeffM | KingRobot: you have SDL dev installed? |
| 05:34.43 | KingRobot | JeffM: Yes, and it all compiles fine... |
| 05:34.58 | JeffM | you sure? cus SDL isn't a requirement |
| 05:35.03 | JeffM | it'll compile with native X support |
| 05:35.07 | JeffM | and native X support SUCKS |
| 05:35.19 | JeffM | what video card do you have? |
| 05:35.45 | KingRobot | JeffM: Hmm, let me double check on DSL-dev... I have a Radeon X1600 |
| 05:35.53 | nightstrike | ATI... lol! |
| 05:35.54 | JeffM | what driver are you using? |
| 05:35.57 | nightstrike | fglrx? |
| 05:36.09 | JeffM | radeonHD dosn't support it? |
| 05:36.18 | nightstrike | I'm on fglrx. It's working fine for me |
| 05:36.19 | KingRobot | fglrx yes |
| 05:36.25 | KingRobot | 2.0 runs fine |
| 05:36.37 | JeffM | hmmm |
| 05:36.58 | JeffM | does it throw any kind of error? |
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| 05:38.35 | KingRobot | Just "Can't create window. Exiting." - I think you're right about SDL; it's not entering SDLPlatformFactory.cxx |
| 05:38.45 | JeffM | yeah you have an X build |
| 05:38.51 | JeffM | is your 2.0.x from a binary package? |
| 05:39.05 | nightstrike | I had the same problem |
| 05:39.14 | nightstrike | you're installing into /usr/local/ ? |
| 05:39.35 | KingRobot | no, just running right from the build dir, but you should be able to do that. |
| 05:39.43 | JeffM | yeah you can |
| 05:39.49 | KingRobot | JeffM: yes, the 2.0 is a binary... I'm checking my libsdl-dev install now |
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| 05:39.58 | JeffM | yeah the bin is build with SDL |
| 05:40.07 | nightstrike | while it seems strange, it worked by itself after I gave another prefix (into my home directory)! |
| 05:40.22 | nightstrike | is baffled by the mysteries of the universe |
| 05:40.39 | KingRobot | nightstrike: It's not even entering any code in SDLPlatformFactory.cxx, so I think JeffM is right |
| 05:40.45 | JeffM | nightstrike: it gave you the same error? |
| 05:40.50 | nightstrike | yes |
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| 05:41.27 | nightstrike | I'd installed into /usr/local initially. Then it didn't work. But since I've done a lot of fooling around with multiple versions of all libraries. I thought I'd install whatever's required seperately into my home folder |
| 05:41.31 | nightstrike | and then it worked |
| 05:41.59 | nightstrike | I have GLUT and SDL on my system. Multiple versions of each. So there could have been some problem |
| 05:42.07 | KingRobot | Ah, here we go; from configure: "The sdl-config script installed by SDL could not be found" |
| 05:42.29 | KingRobot | What's odd is it's in my path... hmm... |
| 05:43.47 | JeffM | we don't use glut |
| 05:44.21 | JeffM | glut is an abomination unto god ;) |
| 05:44.37 | JeffM | except for glut_teapot |
| 05:44.39 | JeffM | it can live |
| 05:50.55 | KingRobot | autogen.sh must hard-code the sdl-config path into configure |
| 05:51.24 | JeffM | dunno, I know VERY little about the mystic sorcery that is automake |
| 05:51.56 | JeffM | wonders if he can con winny into UV mapping this thing :) |
| 05:52.17 | KingRobot | I've set ONE project up using automake, and got it to work, and I'm afraid to touch it now :) |
| 05:55.13 | brlcad | KingRobot: it wasn't an either/or |
| 05:56.16 | KingRobot | brlcad: it? |
| 05:56.35 | brlcad | comment earlier about patch vs app#2 -- basically if you didn't have time to do two good apps and a patch, be sure to at least work on the code (for your patch) so we can see how you work |
| 05:56.52 | brlcad | if you do have time to write two good applications, even better |
| 05:57.38 | KingRobot | okay, I understand |
| 06:00.24 | brlcad | and that is a good point about the patches, they can still be worked on for a brief window after the application timeframe closes while we're in the process of reviewing and ranking (just gives a couple extra days at most) |
| 06:14.46 | BulletCatcher | KingRobot: By default the configure script uses your shell's PATH to find sdl-config, so it ought to find it if it works for you. Do you have the file /usr/include/SDL/SDL.h on your system? |
| 06:15.55 | KingRobot | BulletCatcher: Just got it working; I had originally not had libdsl-dev when first running autogen.sh... I later installed it, but had missed that configure still wasn't picking it up. |
| 06:16.18 | KingRobot | BulletCatcher: A make distclean and ./autogen.sh, and then configure saw it. |
| 06:16.35 | KingRobot | BulletCatcher: seems autogen.sh hardcodes something about sdl paths |
| 06:16.35 | BulletCatcher | Cool. Glad it is working now. |
| 06:17.17 | BulletCatcher | I see no mention of SDL in autogen.sh, but configure looks for it. |
| 06:17.41 | KingRobot | maybe configure was caching it... |
| 06:17.45 | KingRobot | make clean didn't fix it |
| 06:18.10 | KingRobot | (i.e. configure still wasn't finding it even after a make clean) |
| 06:18.20 | BulletCatcher | Yes. You must do a make distclean to catch configuration changes. |
| 06:18.55 | BulletCatcher | make distclean, then autogen.sh, then configure |
| 06:19.35 | KingRobot | it's working now... now to get a bot running |
| 06:41.56 | KingRobot | ... and the bot segfaults. |
| 06:42.14 | KingRobot | So it begins :) |
| 06:49.16 | brlcad | there is a configure cache |
| 06:49.29 | brlcad | you can manually delete the cache, or autogen.sh will delete it for you |
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| 10:40.27 | nightstrike | hey guys, my patch seems to be working, shall I submit it on the tracker? |
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| 11:50.27 | nightstrike | is there a bug in the SVN version with which the game won't start when u right click or press i? |
| 11:50.44 | nightstrike | i mean, you don't spawn once you join the server? |
| 11:52.49 | delerious | does it say "before spawning use a different callsign"? |
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| 11:53.15 | blast007 | nightstrike: possibly |
| 11:53.29 | blast007 | it's also possible that the server you were on crashed right after you joined ;) |
| 11:53.51 | blast007 | which server did you try? |
| 11:57.02 | nightstrike | well |
| 11:57.05 | nightstrike | my own :D |
| 11:57.11 | blast007 | heh |
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| 11:57.44 | nightstrike | my patch seems to be working fine, just touching up right now |
| 12:27.40 | nightstrike | I used diff -Nuar for making the patch, is it ok? |
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| 13:45.51 | Thumper_ | nightstrike_: I think that will be fine |
| 13:46.33 | nightstrike_ | I've just submitted it |
| 13:46.36 | nightstrike_ | thanks Thumper_ |
| 13:46.44 | nightstrike_ | I used an svn diff |
| 13:46.51 | Thumper_ | that works even better :) |
| 13:47.13 | nightstrike_ | :) |
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| 16:14.48 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03Thumper 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5626 10/w/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: /* Mentors */ Added myself to the mentors list |
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| 17:07.10 | nightstrike_ | hello JeffM, I've submitted a patch |
| 17:07.21 | JeffM | cool |
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| 17:28.58 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19543 10/trunk/bzflag/ (17 files in 3 dirs): |
| 17:28.58 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: * added support for different EventHandler client calling orders: |
| 17:28.58 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: - ScriptIDOrder: lowest first (ex: Update()) |
| 17:28.58 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: - GameStateOrder: lowest first (ex: PlayerAdded()) |
| 17:28.58 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: - DrawWorldOrder: lowest first (ex: DrawWorldAlpha()) |
| 17:28.59 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: - DrawScreenOrder: lowest first (ex: DrawScreen(), also used for input events) |
| 17:50.28 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19544 10/trunk/bzflag/ (4 files in 3 dirs): * changed scriptID to an int16_t (network transport type) |
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| 18:54.53 | KingRobot | brlcad: I didn't get a crash on exit under 10.5 |
| 18:55.29 | KingRobot | brlcad: And valgrind under linux shows some leaks, but none from freetype; just a few textures. |
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| 19:19.25 | brlcad | KingRobot: hmmm |
| 19:19.43 | brlcad | the leak isn't necessarily for freetype |
| 19:19.54 | brlcad | that's just where the corruption just causes it to give up |
| 19:19.59 | brlcad | it is, however, texture-related |
| 19:20.47 | KingRobot | brlcad: I'll make a note of it and let you know. |
| 19:20.52 | brlcad | can you post the valgrind log somewhere (or just fix the leaks and make that a patch) ;) |
| 19:21.33 | KingRobot | brlcad: I'm not able to track corruptions properly due to using the fgrlx driver, just the leaks |
| 19:22.25 | KingRobot | brlcad: Meaning allocated, but unfree'd memory. |
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| 19:25.32 | KingRobot | brlcad: the valgrind process freezes when I set up suppressions for the graphics driver |
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| 19:26.15 | KingRobot | On a limb, do you know offhand of an alternate driver that might work besides fglrx? |
| 19:27.20 | JeffM | that's the closed source one from ATI right? |
| 19:27.27 | KingRobot | yeah |
| 19:27.40 | JeffM | there is an opensource one called radeonHD |
| 19:27.46 | JeffM | you should see if it supports your card |
| 19:27.51 | JeffM | it's new but suposed to be prety good |
| 19:27.51 | KingRobot | Okay, I'll take a look. |
| 19:28.03 | JeffM | it's the results of all that stuff that AMD opened up |
| 19:28.04 | KingRobot | fglrx and valgrind don't like each other at all :P |
| 19:28.25 | JeffM | IIRC they are not developing fglrx anymore, and putting all there effort into radeonHD |
| 19:30.11 | BulletCatcher | I don't think the open source ATI driver supports hardware acceleration (so you'll get very low BZFlag frame rates), but for running valgrind it should be okay. |
| 19:30.21 | JeffM | there are 2 drivers |
| 19:30.33 | JeffM | the one in DRI usualy dons't accelerate much cus it sucks |
| 19:30.43 | KingRobot | Hmm, radeonHD should support my card... I'll have to give it a try. |
| 19:30.44 | JeffM | but radeonHD does offer real accel in a number of chips |
| 19:31.02 | JeffM | dtr's using it on his laptop quite well IIRC |
| 19:31.09 | BulletCatcher | Cool. |
| 19:31.22 | JeffM | yeah it's a little confusing, thre are 3 drivers now |
| 19:31.33 | JeffM | dri sucks the most |
| 19:31.50 | JeffM | the old proprietary one sucks less |
| 19:32.01 | JeffM | and radeonHD looks to suck the least for the chips it supports |
| 19:33.34 | BulletCatcher | Such high quality standards ... :-) |
| 19:33.48 | JeffM | well it is open source software |
| 19:33.58 | JeffM | made by a bunch of hippies with no QA dept ;) |
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| 19:47.19 | KingRobot | By the way, I updated my application. Please let me know what you think when you get a chance. |
| 19:47.36 | JeffM | k, when I finsh these renders |
| 19:48.44 | brlcad | KingRobot: k, well if/when you do get a trace, post it up ;) |
| 19:49.02 | KingRobot | brlcad: Will do |
| 19:49.16 | KingRobot | valgrind ftw |
| 19:49.22 | KingRobot | what did we ever do without it? |
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| 19:50.27 | brlcad | ignore the problems and put up with mysterious crashes |
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| 19:50.55 | brlcad | er, we still do that, so about the same ;) |
| 19:51.13 | brlcad | cranks up the music |
| 19:53.05 | JeffM | hates it when he hits "pict" instead of "png" |
| 19:58.05 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r19545 10/trunk/web/mainsite/document.php: yes, the hairline border around the sf logo was bothersome. make it have a 1px black outline like the rest of them. |
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| 20:15.43 | destiny_sh | I am interested in BZFLAG coding..................particularly in opengl logic and game logic |
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| 20:16.41 | JeffM | destiny_sh: ok |
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| 20:17.43 | destiny_sh | i am joining summer of code for first time |
| 20:17.59 | JeffM | it's pretty fun |
| 20:19.36 | destiny_sh | i am not sure what exactly i have to do?? |
| 20:20.42 | JeffM | have you read our wiki page on what we expect from our students and what we expect in the application? |
| 20:21.12 | destiny_sh | ok |
| 20:22.58 | destiny_sh | you were talking about submitting an patch file |
| 20:23.44 | destiny_sh | so can you please tell me the dead line of the submission?? |
| 20:24.20 | JeffM | have you read the google timeline page and the information about when applications are due? |
| 20:24.29 | JeffM | the patch is due by the same time as the application |
| 20:24.32 | JeffM | bassicly |
| 20:24.48 | JeffM | if you needed a little more time on the patch then we could probably work something out |
| 20:25.55 | destiny_sh | oh ...thanks for that!!! |
| 20:28.15 | JeffM | have you gotten our sourcecode from SVN and built it yet? |
| 20:28.55 | brlcad | destiny_sh: there's a LOT of information on our wiki page -- it tells you what you need to do |
| 20:28.59 | brlcad | there's even a checklist |
| 20:30.06 | brlcad | there's a lot you should read (*completely* read it), then it should be a lot more clear |
| 20:33.13 | destiny_sh | ya ...I have built the source code on microsoft visual studio 08 |
| 20:33.38 | destiny_sh | its working fine |
| 20:33.39 | JeffM | good |
| 20:33.46 | JeffM | read those pages and it'll give you a lot more info |
| 20:34.40 | destiny_sh | i will do this right now |
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| 21:03.07 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r19546 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/curl/: ignore mkinstalldirs and missing |
| 21:10.45 | BulletCatcher | Try just removing src/other/curl/missing . It hasn't come back for me. |
| 21:11.38 | BulletCatcher | Same for mkinstalldirs. |
| 21:15.50 | brlcad | just depends on platform and version of libtool |
| 21:16.00 | brlcad | er, autoconf |
| 21:16.16 | brlcad | safe to ignore either way |
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| 21:38.11 | BulletCatcher | The "AUTOMAKE_OPTIONS = foreign" line in src/other/curl/Makefile.am should prevent GNU standard programs like "missing" from being created for any version of automake allowed by autogen.sh. |
| 21:38.12 | BulletCatcher | The mkinstalldirs program seems to be deprecated, but I can't tell since when. |
| 21:49.40 | Wyk3d1 | does anyone know if it's possibe to do two method of authentication with phpbb3 at the same time ? like both mysql and ldap ? .. ofcourse using only one method is probably easier to maintain and more efficient but i'm just curious if would be possible to do backwards compatibility another way for bzauthd .. |
| 21:51.17 | blast007 | Wyk3d1: the LDAP method that phpBB3 uses is a bit hackish, but I can't recall for sure how it worked (or if you could used the old style login too) |
| 21:51.43 | blast007 | I think the way it works is that if you log in with a name not in the database, it creates a new user with that name |
| 21:51.52 | blast007 | which is a problem, since we allow people to change their names |
| 21:52.13 | blast007 | with our current implementation, it's fine, because we have them change through phpBB3 |
| 21:52.31 | blast007 | and our 'bzid' is the primary key for the phpbb users table |
| 21:52.51 | blast007 | can we add something like a 'bzid' to LDAP? |
| 21:53.19 | Wyk3d1 | sure |
| 21:53.20 | blast007 | I'm thinking that LDAP probably uses GUIDs for the unique identifier, right? |
| 21:53.43 | Wyk3d1 | it does addressing by name |
| 21:54.09 | blast007 | but internally is there a GUID as well? |
| 21:54.44 | Wyk3d1 | not that i'm aware of .. |
| 21:54.50 | blast007 | hmm |
| 21:55.02 | Wyk3d1 | you could add a guid as a field |
| 21:55.07 | blast007 | well, in any case, that's probably not a problem |
| 21:55.09 | blast007 | nah |
| 21:55.52 | blast007 | I don't want to use a GUID for the bzid, at least not in the typical example of a GUID |
| 21:56.01 | blast007 | (an example of a GUID would be 3F2504E0-4F89-11D3-9A0C-0305E82C3301) |
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| 21:56.27 | blast007 | a simple integer is fine for our purposes |
| 21:56.50 | blast007 | I'm just wondering if LDAP makes it easy to ensure it's a unique number that increments with each new user |
| 21:57.11 | Wyk3d1 | right well if not to speed up searches in the mysql table, what would it be used for ? |
| 21:57.40 | blast007 | well, we currently can do bans by BZID ;) |
| 21:57.53 | blast007 | so if someone changes their name, they are still banned |
| 21:58.08 | Wyk3d1 | i see |
| 21:58.22 | blast007 | that's probably the only thing that *needs* a BZID |
| 21:58.29 | si-m1 | would be nice to have a ranking/statisticsite like quakelive |
| 21:58.45 | blast007 | si-m1: http://my.bzflag.org/ |
| 21:58.48 | si-m1 | oh |
| 21:59.00 | si-m1 | nice :) |
| 21:59.12 | blast007 | not a very good system, but it's something |
| 21:59.33 | KTL | sees that the main page has changed |
| 21:59.34 | blast007 | (it polls servers, so it's only a snapshot every 5 or 10 minutes) |
| 21:59.36 | si-m1 | yeah, would be sweet to make an account system with bzid like you're talking about |
| 21:59.48 | si-m1 | so you could log in and look at your stats etc |
| 22:00.00 | blast007 | si-m1: we're not referring to stats |
| 22:00.06 | blast007 | just raw authentication |
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| 22:00.16 | si-m1 | i know, was just saying it as a prerequisite |
| 22:00.22 | blast007 | the goal is to have a system that we can distribute to different servers |
| 22:00.37 | blast007 | and there is already a weblogin system that we can use if we wanted auth tied into that site |
| 22:01.21 | si-m1 | yeah, but you could require login to play ranked matches and tie it directly to the website login |
| 22:01.29 | blast007 | Wyk3d1: also, checking tokens returns the BZID |
| 22:01.44 | blast007 | and that's used for websites as well, that use the weblogin system |
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| 22:02.04 | blast007 | si-m1: so basically a league |
| 22:02.08 | si-m1 | yeah |
| 22:02.13 | blast007 | http://bzleague.com/ |
| 22:02.21 | Wyk3d1 | blast007: i know that, but that's irrelevant, you could just return true or false whether you got authenticated to do the same, but yes for banning etc you need a bzid |
| 22:02.50 | blast007 | si-m1: GU is a pretty popular league |
| 22:02.56 | blast007 | not sure about pillbox |
| 22:03.09 | blast007 | but there are several other leagues (some dead, some very slow) |
| 22:03.10 | si-m1 | ah cool |
| 22:03.18 | blast007 | and they have ranking for each league |
| 22:05.22 | blast007 | Wyk3d1: so, having the BZID around yet is still going to be important |
| 22:09.52 | brlcad | Wyk3d1: do you have a .bz account yet? |
| 22:10.50 | Wyk3d1 | i do .. |
| 22:10.58 | Wyk3d1 | oh |
| 22:10.58 | brlcad | okay, just checking |
| 22:11.01 | Wyk3d1 | wait |
| 22:11.10 | Wyk3d1 | you mean on the forum or asin access to it ? |
| 22:11.13 | blast007 | .bz account as in, an SSH account |
| 22:11.17 | Wyk3d1 | not yet no |
| 22:11.22 | brlcad | ah, okay |
| 22:11.27 | brlcad | more in pm then |
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| 22:29.43 | blast007 | Wyk3d1: as for the GUID, I might be thinking of something specific to Active Directory ;) |
| 22:30.40 | Wyk3d1 | you could be right, have to look into it more |
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| 22:32.03 | blast007 | doesn't really matter either way |
| 22:32.23 | Wyk3d1 | it does a little |
| 22:32.42 | Wyk3d1 | if you have two sources adding to the directory |
| 22:32.58 | Wyk3d1 | and both think the last id is X |
| 22:33.04 | Wyk3d1 | X+1 will be written twice |
| 22:33.23 | Wyk3d1 | even if you read the highest id from the directory |
| 22:33.28 | blast007 | yeah, but I'm not referring to that |
| 22:34.04 | blast007 | I was referring to the internal number or field that LDAP uses to uniquely identify an object, which isn't really important ;) |
| 22:34.47 | Wyk3d1 | why not ? i mean, without that, how do you fix the above scenario ? |
| 22:35.01 | blast007 | we wouldn't be using that |
| 22:35.23 | dexter- | ~bzflist |
| 22:35.37 | dexter- | hmpf |
| 22:36.06 | Wyk3d1 | well whatever we use, the directory must ensure the uniqueness of the id, not the daemon |
| 22:36.29 | blast007 | it probably uses a random number (i.e. a GUID) |
| 22:37.30 | blast007 | I'm just thinking that it probably does use *just* the name to reference items (otherwise it would have to update X number of groups when you changed the name of an item) |
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| 22:40.17 | delerious | bulletcatcher, i can confirm that automake=foreign line also occurs on my machine, OSX10.5.5. The first time I saw it was last sunday. I thought it was a problem with my build environment and did not report it. It is worth mentioning that when i first saw it, I had just completed an upgrade to libtool 2.2. |
| 22:41.54 | Thumper_ | ~bzflist |
| 22:42.23 | blast007 | delerious: that's supposed to be there.. |
| 22:42.34 | blast007 | it's in the file provided via SVN |
| 22:43.14 | delerious | the older libtool was another problem in my build environment. |
| 22:43.59 | delerious | i thought it odd because libtool 2.2 is several years old. |
| 22:44.48 | delerious | sudo ln -s /usr/bin/glibtoolize /usr/bin/libtoolize fixed my problem |
| 22:45.12 | blast007 | good old OSX ;) |
| 22:45.50 | delerious | what's really odd is that i figured out what to do without asking anyone |
| 22:46.03 | blast007 | uh oh... there goes .bz |
| 22:46.40 | blast007 | major packet loss |
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| 22:55.46 | Wyk3d1 | blast007: http://www.rfc-archive.org/getrfc.php?rfc=4530 |
| 22:57.21 | blast007 | ah, cool |
| 22:58.04 | blast007 | which wouldn't help our BZID issue |
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| 22:58.07 | blast007 | ;) |
| 22:58.26 | blast007 | (really unrelated to that) |
| 22:58.39 | temp_dist | listserver down? |
| 22:59.01 | blast007 | kinda |
| 22:59.11 | temp_dist | heh - k |
| 22:59.12 | blast007 | major packet loss |
| 23:00.06 | Wyk3d1 | blast007: well, you could map a UUID to an actual BZID |
| 23:00.17 | brlcad | some massive lag |
| 23:00.48 | blast007 | brlcad: I'm showing about 50% packet loss out of about 300 pings ;) |
| 23:00.58 | blast007 | mtr showed more like 73% loss |
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| 23:02.15 | blast007 | Wyk3d1: "map" meaning what exactly? |
| 23:05.01 | Wyk3d1 | well as in you keep a table of UUID x matches bzid 1, y matches 2 ... |
| 23:07.39 | blast007 | I probaby already got this answered, but can OpenLDAP have custom fields in, say, a user object? |
| 23:07.48 | brlcad | ugh, unbearable |
| 23:08.21 | brlcad | probably someone in the same rack getting DDoS'd or maybe bz is |
| 23:08.30 | brlcad | checks logs |
| 23:08.42 | blast007 | even the sagonet homepage is loading REALLY slow |
| 23:08.50 | blast007 | so it's not just your box |
| 23:09.09 | brlcad | yeah, probably the isp getting hit or some main router having problems |
| 23:09.16 | blast007 | maybe they cut costs and switched to a bank of dialup modems |
| 23:09.28 | brlcad | heh |
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| 23:11.29 | blast007 | I'm hoping I can get a screenshot of their network status page timing out |
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| 23:12.46 | blast007 | unfortunately, it's actually loading, just at less than 300 baud |
| 23:21.09 | Wyk3d1 | blast007: you can edit the scheme and add whatever you like i suppose .. in many cases however you can combine existing structures to get a field with the right name |
| 23:22.08 | blast007 | k |
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| 23:33.32 | brlcad | e-mailed support |
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