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| 09:37.33 | trepan | good ol' Bill Teach |
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| 16:17.07 | delusional | interesting the use of the word "harmless" in that spam. maybe his way of telling us he plays runescape now? probably no relation though. |
| 16:19.22 | blast007 | yes, unrelated: http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Mos_le_harmless |
| 16:25.51 | KTL | does anyone here have knowledge about poset manipulation? I need a fast way to add elements to a partially ordered set and cant figure out what would be the best algorithm for it |
| 16:26.17 | KTL | the elements are also sets ... the order relation is inclusion |
| 16:29.12 | KTL | (and papers about the subject are usually not accessible without $ ) |
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| 16:43.37 | BulletCatcher | An easy way to implement partial ordering is to build a binary tree that you don't optimize as it grows. |
| 16:43.40 | BulletCatcher | Another way is to hash items into buckets without sorting within the buckets. |
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| 17:23.15 | Ratfink | I tried to compile the latest develpment version, but got this error: |
| 17:23.16 | Ratfink | TimeKeeper.cxx: In static member function 'static void TimeKeeper::setProcessorAffinity(int)': |
| 17:23.18 | Ratfink | TimeKeeper.cxx:398: error: ISO C++ forbids braced-groups within expressions |
| 17:23.40 | JeffM | what OS? |
| 17:23.44 | Ratfink | Linux |
| 17:24.17 | JeffM | you rerun your autogen and config and all that? |
| 17:24.33 | Ratfink | was I supposed to run that stuff again? |
| 17:24.50 | JeffM | on development code, stuff changes fast, so it helps to do them if you have a problem |
| 17:25.16 | Ratfink | I already ran them once, should I do it again now? |
| 17:25.37 | JeffM | you ran them before you built? was it a clean checkout or an update from an older tree? |
| 17:26.02 | Ratfink | I got it in the "download gnu tarball" from the sourceforge SVN browse |
| 17:26.13 | JeffM | then you are probably fine |
| 17:26.17 | Ratfink | weird |
| 17:26.25 | JeffM | not really |
| 17:26.27 | JeffM | it's dev code |
| 17:26.30 | JeffM | it gets broken |
| 17:26.41 | Ratfink | yeah, but I'd expect it to at least run if someone commits |
| 17:26.49 | JeffM | maybe it did on there oS |
| 17:26.56 | JeffM | remember, not everyone uses your setup |
| 17:26.59 | Ratfink | yeah |
| 17:28.35 | Ratfink | maybe I could get a more stable-ish development version :/ |
| 17:28.41 | JeffM | there isn't one |
| 17:28.52 | Ratfink | maybe one that at least compiles |
| 17:29.04 | JeffM | traditionaly the words "development" and "stable" never go together |
| 17:29.11 | Ratfink | yeah |
| 17:29.19 | JeffM | you'd have to go back in the history and just find a date where it worked |
| 17:30.03 | Ratfink | I'll try that, but I'll have to try it by trial and error |
| 17:31.17 | JeffM | or just try to fix the problem |
| 17:31.27 | JeffM | what is the code on the line it complains about? |
| 17:42.47 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19437 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/build/ (clientLua.vcproj libcurl.vcproj lua.vcproj): |
| 17:42.48 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: missing lua crap |
| 17:42.48 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: def file is gone from curl |
| 17:42.48 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: make it all build on windows again. |
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| 18:08.12 | BulletCatcher | Ratfink's problem in TimeKeeper.cxx seems to result from non-conformant glibc header code. I assume it was exposed by our recent addition of the -pedantic gcc option. |
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| 18:16.59 | spldart | Anyone have any ideas why I'm having libcurl errors in win32 debug build of 2.99 code? |
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| 18:24.57 | blast007 | spldart: do you have the latest code? it was jus changed about 40 minutes ago |
| 18:25.00 | blast007 | just* |
| 18:29.54 | spldart | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:30.03 | spldart | Problem has persisted since this fresh install |
| 18:30.09 | spldart | Like I have something setup wrong |
| 18:30.16 | spldart | all but 4 build |
| 18:30.26 | spldart | stuff depending on libcurl... most important stuff |
| 18:31.03 | spldart | I'm pretty positive the issue is on my end.. my errors are listing files in lib dir that sure enough are not there. |
| 18:31.23 | spldart | libcurl.def libcurl.lib |
| 18:32.16 | JeffM | debug or release? |
| 18:32.27 | spldart | win32 debug |
| 18:32.38 | JeffM | I only fixed release |
| 18:32.49 | spldart | oh? |
| 18:32.56 | spldart | so there was a problem? |
| 18:33.48 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19438 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/build/libcurl.vcproj: def file is gone from curl |
| 18:33.50 | JeffM | that |
| 18:35.02 | spldart | Oh! |
| 18:35.43 | JeffM | goes back to loving on the Lidgren Network lib |
| 18:37.04 | spldart | Sure enough. I have a bzflag and bzfs executable now ;) |
| 18:37.48 | spldart | bzadmin is the only error. Error 1 general error c101008d: Failed to write the updated manifest to the resource of file ".\bzadmin_debug\bzadmin.exe". The binary is not a valid Windows image.mt.exe |
| 18:37.59 | spldart | But that can wait.. Thanks |
| 18:38.03 | JeffM | rebuild all |
| 18:38.10 | spldart | okidoke |
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| 18:46.56 | spldart | is 6.5 minutes a decent time on rebuild all? I was looking at my cpu usage during the build and it only looked like it had the 4 cores running at 33% |
| 18:47.18 | JeffM | yeah that's not bad |
| 18:47.42 | JeffM | disk access and some other stuff come into play, so it's hard for VC to 100% em all |
| 18:47.50 | spldart | Is there an enviromental variable... oh |
| 18:47.50 | JeffM | there are third party tools that will do that tho :) |
| 18:48.08 | BulletCatcher | It takes 17-20 minutes on my single-CPU system, so that's a nice wall clock time. |
| 18:48.09 | JeffM | huh? |
| 18:48.41 | spldart | Tiz a shame. It would be nice to be at least in the 75 to 85% usage ;) |
| 18:48.53 | JeffM | then buy and install incredibuild ;) |
| 18:49.08 | JeffM | but it can only compile them as fast as they get off the disk into the CPU too |
| 18:49.12 | JeffM | and it's lots of little files |
| 18:49.19 | spldart | googles |
| 18:49.25 | blast007 | does incredibuild work with the express edition? |
| 18:49.28 | JeffM | no |
| 18:49.32 | spldart | oh |
| 18:49.34 | blast007 | didn't think so ;) |
| 18:49.37 | JeffM | it's also thousands of dollars ;) |
| 18:49.44 | JeffM | it's overkill for a single machine |
| 18:49.46 | spldart | Oh.. nice... got me ;) |
| 18:49.54 | JeffM | we use it for network builds |
| 18:50.09 | JeffM | basicly "be glad it isn't using a single core like VC 7.1 did " ;) |
| 18:50.19 | JeffM | VC8 was the first one to even do multi core builds |
| 18:50.32 | JeffM | VC9 made it better, and 10 is supposed to do more |
| 18:50.34 | JeffM | etc... |
| 18:51.05 | JeffM | right now it does one project per core, because they don't have a robust dependency scheduler |
| 18:51.11 | JeffM | they'll get one and it'll be better later |
| 18:51.44 | spldart | ic |
| 18:52.56 | spldart | can't wait to compare linux windows build times. odd though... ee 2k8 showed as near maxing my dual k7's on that old machine... I'm about to throw away that k7d mobo right now :-( |
| 18:53.16 | JeffM | sure, the drives on that old system were faster then the CPUs |
| 18:53.20 | JeffM | now you are the other way around |
| 18:53.36 | JeffM | gcc will probably do better with -j5 or whatever it is |
| 18:53.42 | JeffM | as it will do it per file |
| 18:53.52 | spldart | ic... sata raid is left in the dust over udma 5 8-0 |
| 18:54.09 | JeffM | it's also your ram to CPU speed |
| 18:54.12 | JeffM | it's a lot faster now |
| 18:54.13 | spldart | geez how many times faster is one phenom over 2 bartons |
| 18:54.21 | spldart | oh yeah.. true |
| 18:54.22 | JeffM | many |
| 18:54.29 | JeffM | they are not really comparable |
| 18:54.47 | JeffM | I mean it's a totaly different arch, your memory controller is now ON the cpu |
| 18:54.49 | spldart | will have to compare something like flops or something |
| 18:55.00 | JeffM | they each do things differently |
| 18:55.08 | JeffM | in flat out math ops, they are probably very similar |
| 18:55.21 | JeffM | it's all the other stuff around them that makes it fast with modern OS/software |
| 18:56.05 | spldart | I should attempt some video encodes... Haven't tried that yet. Should give me some idea |
| 18:56.19 | JeffM | the faster ram bus should help that a lot |
| 19:04.20 | spldart | Wow... It's not much faster than dually. maybe 20 % to 40 % faster than.... And I got all 4 cores in the 87 to 92% range |
| 19:05.20 | spldart | It is staying more responsive while busy though so that's a plus |
| 19:06.45 | JeffM | then it's probably pegging disk access |
| 19:06.57 | JeffM | is your raid software or hardware? |
| 19:08.45 | spldart | yah know... I thought I saw a support chip on mobo near the sata plugs but I could be wrong. Would software raid have bios options |
| 19:09.01 | JeffM | that's mobo raid |
| 19:09.02 | spldart | It's built onto the mobo. |
| 19:09.04 | JeffM | they are "meh" |
| 19:09.07 | spldart | ic |
| 19:09.22 | JeffM | it's basicly a software raid run by the bios, and run on the mobo chipset |
| 19:09.32 | spldart | Hrm.. I do have a "SIIG" sata raid pci card lying around. |
| 19:09.44 | JeffM | usualy they don't have dedicated IO processors, they use the chipset power |
| 19:09.47 | blast007 | with true hardware RAID, the OS wouldn't even necessarily have to know about it |
| 19:10.03 | JeffM | you want a PCI-e SATA 3.0gig dedicated card |
| 19:10.20 | spldart | Ah |
| 19:10.31 | JeffM | PCI 1x will get flooded very fast |
| 19:21.49 | blast007 | would the "maximum number of parallel project builds" setting be of use for bzflag? |
| 19:22.01 | JeffM | yeah |
| 19:22.15 | JeffM | but you set it for the compiler |
| 19:22.32 | JeffM | tools -> options -> build and compile |
| 19:22.42 | blast007 | yup |
| 19:22.44 | JeffM | the per project one is to limit it in case your code has problems |
| 19:22.52 | blast007 | just wondered if that would mess anything up |
| 19:22.56 | JeffM | we have lots of little projects |
| 19:22.57 | JeffM | naw |
| 19:23.00 | blast007 | ok |
| 19:23.01 | JeffM | set it to the number of cores you have |
| 19:23.10 | JeffM | did you get your gaming machine fixed? |
| 19:23.13 | blast007 | only one on this system, but I was thinking for spldart |
| 19:23.15 | blast007 | not yet |
| 19:23.21 | JeffM | find out what busted? |
| 19:23.25 | blast007 | I sent the board in |
| 19:23.38 | JeffM | ahh |
| 19:23.39 | blast007 | hopefully just the board |
| 19:24.20 | blast007 | the CPU doesn't *look* like it was damaged, but I won't know until I get the board back (or get a new one if they don't cover it) |
| 19:24.37 | spldart | build options build and run has 4 process |
| 19:24.59 | spldart | I just realized bzadmin is still a dead stick after ctrl alt f7 |
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| 21:07.50 | brlcad | finishes making it suck slightly less for now |
| 21:10.11 | JeffM | brlcad: do you have mono on your mac? |
| 21:10.18 | brlcad | nope |
| 21:33.44 | brlcad | so we need to expand our ideas list |
| 21:33.49 | brlcad | attach potential mentors |
| 21:33.55 | brlcad | and describe requisite skills |
| 21:37.30 | jorgenpt | =) |
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| 21:38.05 | JeffM | "must not suck" |
| 21:55.41 | brlcad | what a great site.. http://janitor.kernelnewbies.org/ |
| 21:55.42 | brlcad | to have so many devs that you dedicate a site and set of projects to "code cleanup" :) |
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| 22:19.29 | JeffM | heh |
| 22:19.54 | JeffM | I mean you can think of it as a form of QA dept |
| 22:20.10 | JeffM | something that many FOSS proejcts need :) |
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| 23:35.02 | brlcad | wonders how long until someone notices, laughs with a deep evil chortle |
| 23:36.48 | JeffM | what did you do now ray? |
| 23:36.56 | JeffM | remember, if somone asks you if you are a god, you say YES! |
| 23:37.08 | brlcad | a very important life lesson |
| 23:37.10 | a_meteorite | Am I a god? Absolutely! |
| 23:37.32 | a_meteorite | After all, praying to meteorites may save your puny earth one day. ;) |
| 23:37.36 | JeffM | dude THAT is fugly! |
| 23:38.36 | JeffM | but better then the old one |
| 23:38.54 | brlcad | which is all that mattered |
| 23:39.04 | JeffM | the icons are bleh |
| 23:39.05 | brlcad | the news was the biggest problem |
| 23:39.20 | JeffM | not sure that sending it to the fourm is the right thing to do, but I see why you did it |
| 23:40.51 | brlcad | we've more consistently posted and updated news on the forum than on main |
| 23:41.03 | brlcad | i think mainly because it's such a pita to add new news |
| 23:41.10 | brlcad | not integrated, so nobody does it |
| 23:41.21 | JeffM | yeah |
| 23:41.26 | JeffM | like I say, I understand WHY |
| 23:42.20 | brlcad | fixed a bunch of other little inconsistencies and alignments in the layout too |
| 23:43.03 | brlcad | font still sucks, but at least better than the crap default |
| 23:43.24 | a_meteorite | ooh, new bzflag.org home? |
| 23:44.33 | brlcad | not a new home, just changed it to suck a little less |
| 23:44.48 | a_meteorite | all that's needed now is a better forum theme :) |
| 23:44.50 | a_meteorite | Sucking Less Is Good⢠|
| 23:45.22 | brlcad | was going to merge my.bzflag.org and bzflag.org, but tis for another day |
| 23:45.22 | trepan | brlcad: nice, agree about the font ;-) |
| 23:45.42 | brlcad | have to address the gsoc ideas list next |
| 23:45.49 | Winny | my eyes they burn |
| 23:45.58 | a_meteorite | a little spacing between links and buttons on the left sidebar would help immensely |
| 23:46.05 | a_meteorite | between each element |
| 23:46.47 | a_meteorite | oh, that might be a little tougher... not using a ul/li list.. tables and inline <a> |
| 23:48.54 | brlcad | a_meteorite: not sure that's any better |
| 23:49.12 | Winny | http://busyflag.org/ ;) |
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| 23:49.19 | a_meteorite | structured code with a css-based layout is always better |
| 23:49.24 | a_meteorite | table layouts are sad |
| 23:50.01 | brlcad | the issue is the number of menu items, don't have time to restructure all of that |
| 23:50.14 | JeffM | Winny: but busyflag is suposed to be awsome! |
| 23:50.46 | a_meteorite | er, copy/paste a dozen times isn't that hard (at least for me, maybe I'm used to tedious work) |
| 23:51.00 | a_meteorite | then again changing the menu to ul/li when the rest of the page is inaccessible with tables is moot |
| 23:55.19 | brlcad | a_meteorite: what are you talking about? |
| 23:55.28 | brlcad | don't need to make it a ul/li |
| 23:55.30 | a_meteorite | you don't know? |
| 23:55.47 | brlcad | I'd already spaced it out with just a simple class adjustment |
| 23:56.14 | brlcad | 1.25 seems better |
| 23:56.16 | a_meteorite | I'm talking about a proper semantic CSS-based layout. considering you use a straight <a> with <br> in tables, my whole ul/li point is moot. |
| 23:56.19 | TD-Linux | CSS works on talbes too ;) |
| 23:56.42 | TD-Linux | a_meteorite, does it matter? you would have to give them a custom class anyway |
| 23:56.50 | brlcad | you can mix css just about anywhere |
| 23:56.52 | a_meteorite | we already did a custom page :) |
| 23:56.59 | TD-Linux | with CSS the difference between most of the tags is simply the name |
| 23:57.02 | brlcad | the fact that there are tables and a's and br's doesn't matter |
| 23:57.07 | a_meteorite | TD-Linux & brlcad, never said CSS wouldn't work on tables... |
| 23:57.23 | brlcad | then what's the babble about copy/pasting? :) |
| 23:57.33 | a_meteorite | I'm just saying after seeing the rest of the layout, making it do CSS with ul/li is quite moot. might as well keep with the inaccessibility. |
| 23:57.50 | a_meteorite | to insert the <a> links into <li>..</li> inside a <ul> |
| 23:58.00 | a_meteorite | and then styling it appropriately with CSS |
| 23:58.11 | TD-Linux | this makes the page more accessible how? |
| 23:58.21 | TD-Linux | well I can see it a bit |
| 23:58.27 | TD-Linux | automatic parsers might get a better hint |
| 23:58.44 | a_meteorite | TD-Linux: if you don't know how, I suggest you read all the articles on switching from table-based layouts to CSS-based layouts |
| 23:59.05 | a_meteorite | not only accessibility, but pure semantics, SEO (as you said), along with easier to modify and cleaner code |
| 23:59.17 | brlcad | a_meteorite: seriously, are you just trolling right now? |
| 23:59.20 | brlcad | has absolutely nothing to do with accessibility |
| 23:59.25 | blast007 | http://giveupandusetables.com/ |
| 23:59.26 | a_meteorite | not at all. |
| 23:59.34 | brlcad | it's perfectly accessible now |
| 23:59.35 | a_meteorite | I'm completely and utterly serious. |
| 23:59.40 | a_meteorite | ... are you serious? |
| 23:59.57 | brlcad | maybe you define accessibility differently than most |