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| 00:33.48 | spldart | To whom it may concern. Now that I'm setting up 64 bit windows test builds of 2.99 code... Do I "/tools/options/Projects and Solutions/VC++ Directories/ and Add "C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft DirectX SDK (November 2008)\Lib\x64" ? |
| 00:38.29 | JefferyM | the project isn't set up for 64 bit builds |
| 00:38.42 | JefferyM | and doing them in VCEE is 'odd" |
| 00:38.43 | spldart | So only add the x86? |
| 00:38.46 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 00:39.08 | JefferyM | last time I tested there was no real advantage to doing a 64 bit one |
| 00:39.20 | JefferyM | cus we didn't use lots of ram, or do lots of 64 bit math |
| 00:39.34 | JefferyM | probably should re-test it someday |
| 00:39.44 | spldart | crap.. was it added to the includes or libraries or... hrm |
| 00:39.44 | JefferyM | the 64 bit optimisers may be better now |
| 00:42.54 | spldart | So is the build done as Debug Win 32 or Debug X64? |
| 00:43.41 | spldart | crap.. still getting errors.. Libcurl |
| 00:44.18 | JefferyM | 32 |
| 00:45.21 | spldart | I assume this means I do not have a Libcurl? "Error1fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file '..\..\src\other\curl\lib\libcurl.def'libcurl" |
| 00:45.42 | JefferyM | curl is included |
| 00:45.47 | JefferyM | it means you broke something |
| 00:45.47 | spldart | hrm |
| 00:45.53 | JefferyM | the build should work "out of the box" |
| 00:45.56 | spldart | Yay! |
| 00:45.57 | JefferyM | or the build is broken |
| 00:46.04 | spldart | Ok... I'll recheckout |
| 00:46.09 | spldart | I think the build is fine |
| 00:46.18 | spldart | I prolly borked something with tinkering |
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| 00:51.28 | spldart | I'm not so much enjoying the setting all my favorite stuff up all over again both windows and linux but man the speed is outrageous. IIRC the processor wasn't much over 100 bux.. I think you asked. I've got a spycho cooler master V8 cooler on it that is giving me really cool operating temps. |
| 00:52.00 | JefferyM | did you at least get the "black" eddition? |
| 00:52.06 | JefferyM | and good thing it was cheap |
| 00:52.17 | JefferyM | the lown end intel quads trump that chipset |
| 00:52.20 | JefferyM | but cost a little more |
| 00:52.33 | spldart | black yep |
| 00:52.36 | JefferyM | good |
| 00:52.44 | JefferyM | then at least you have an unlocked multiplyer |
| 00:53.03 | spldart | When and if I get around to OCing I think this cooler is really gonna pay off. |
| 00:53.06 | JefferyM | get it up to 3 gig then it should be more comprable to modern intels |
| 00:53.23 | spldart | ic |
| 00:53.39 | JefferyM | the inintal phenoms were a real let down in the speed dept |
| 00:53.49 | spldart | That can wait though. I've got more than enough cpu and mem bandwidth to keep me happoy till all my stuff is set up. |
| 00:54.31 | bryjen | is the phenom a different design, or just a new name for 3 and 4 cores? |
| 00:55.20 | JefferyM | it's a new core yeah |
| 00:55.29 | JefferyM | it's not just a 4 core AMD 64 |
| 00:55.49 | spldart | I shouldn't answer that. I studied briefly then bought this hardware. I knew enough to get the xx50, in this case 9850, and had an idea of what mobo to go for. |
| 00:55.57 | JefferyM | the 3 core ones are actualy quad cores that didn't pass testing on all cores ;) |
| 00:56.13 | JefferyM | spldart, the only reason to get the 50 is cus the 00's have bad CPU bugs |
| 00:56.20 | spldart | Exactly |
| 00:56.21 | JefferyM | they are flawed |
| 00:56.40 | spldart | And the workaround cost 10% in benchies iirc |
| 00:56.41 | JefferyM | they arn't "better" they are simply "as they intended in the first place, just a lot later" |
| 00:56.47 | JefferyM | yeah, the workaround sucked |
| 00:56.55 | JefferyM | sad that they fell into that QA trap |
| 00:56.59 | JefferyM | it really hurt them |
| 00:57.35 | spldart | At first I almost got one cuz the prices were so low.. Wiki'd it and then did some googling and decided to pay more for the fixed version. |
| 00:58.12 | JefferyM | personaly I think you'd still be better off with a q6600 |
| 00:58.21 | spldart | :) |
| 00:58.43 | spldart | Welp... I've always been a little.. 'Off'. |
| 00:58.45 | JefferyM | stock config, it beats your 9850, at a lower clock speed |
| 00:59.25 | spldart | Whats a good free image host? |
| 01:01.35 | spldart | poopl... camera not recognized. |
| 01:11.14 | spldart | crap... What could I have done that would leave me with libcurl errors? |
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| 01:38.48 | BulletCatcher | pops in for just a moment |
| 01:38.50 | BulletCatcher | In the last couple of commits I deleted some files from the curl tree that didn't belong there. Perhaps the Windows build system depends upon them. |
| 01:40.28 | BulletCatcher | I am still working on upgrading to curl 7.19.4. There are difficulties in the build system that are holding me up. |
| 01:41.34 | BulletCatcher | My recent commits didn't break anything on my Linux and Mac systems. |
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| 02:01.54 | spldart | BulletCatcher: Oh! Ok. I'll hold off on my troubleshooting for a bit and see if I'm just chasing my tail. |
| 02:02.00 | spldart | Thanks |
| 02:02.41 | spldart | a bit = a day or week ;) |
| 02:03.00 | spldart | I have alot of configuring and exploring to do on my new sys. |
| 02:08.48 | spldart | goes to reboot to change another optical drive into this pyle of swatchamacola |
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| 02:53.58 | spldart | is discovering he has hardware that is 2 to 9 months old that is now useless cuz it doesn't support vista :( |
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| 03:21.04 | spldart | Any advice for graphics accell for integrated ati 3200 on gigabyte mobo for debian lenny 64 bit kernel? Ati supplied? |
| 03:21.29 | DTRemenak | good luck? :) |
| 03:21.52 | JeffM | install an nvidia card |
| 03:22.12 | DTRemenak | ati's drivers are probably your best bet, but in my experience are less than stable |
| 03:22.37 | DTRemenak | if you don't care about 3d acceleration, use the "radeon" driver, it works fine for 2d. |
| 03:23.31 | spldart | hehe... so same advice as I lived by for my old K7 arch. |
| 03:24.07 | DTRemenak | although...is it a 780? |
| 03:24.08 | spldart | Welp.. I need to get an Nvidia for pciE for cheap... hrm... Need to order a sata gigantor for this rig anywho |
| 03:24.13 | spldart | ati 3200 |
| 03:24.21 | DTRemenak | what chipset? |
| 03:24.23 | spldart | hrm |
| 03:24.29 | spldart | lemme research |
| 03:25.27 | DTRemenak | the amd 780 and 790 chipsets (both with the 3200 onboard) have support in radeonhd now (as of ~6mo ago). if you own the board already, give that a try. |
| 03:26.12 | DTRemenak | you may need to update your kernel and/or x.org also (like I said, recent changes) |
| 03:27.02 | spldart | 780G |
| 03:27.07 | DTRemenak | if you don't own the board already, I'd suggest either avoiding it or doing some thorough research into what you'd need to do to get the radeonhd drivers working and how effective they'll be on that hardware |
| 03:28.59 | spldart | Already own. I guess I need to disable the onboard and get an nvidia asap. Is there anything from NV that will kick 3200's butt available for 50 to 75 bux? I do have a good amount of experience getting NV accelled on debian lenny and etch. |
| 03:29.09 | DTRemenak | but in general, those are your three options for ati cards on linux today: 1. fglrx (catalyst), which is unstable; 2. radeon, which is 2d-only; 3. radeonhd, which has limited hardware support. |
| 03:29.27 | spldart | Heck.. maybe it could fix my tv card no display issue to switch graphics adapter. |
| 03:29.55 | spldart | Thanks DTR. Feeling better? I'm getting ill by the minute here :( |
| 03:30.01 | DTRemenak | much better, thanks |
| 03:30.16 | DTRemenak | sorry to hear that. hope it's not what I had, that sucked. |
| 03:30.16 | spldart | Sore throat, cough, sneezing and headache :-/ |
| 03:30.41 | spldart | But I'm so excited about my new hardware I hardly think about it. |
| 03:32.50 | spldart | Hrm.. ATI 3200 on board requires setting be a bit backed off from max in order to get around 100 fps in bzflag 2.0.10 at 1920x1080 |
| 03:33.21 | DTRemenak | 9600GTs are around $85-90 right now, and are really nice cards. I can attest that the 9600 kicks the 3450's butt, so I'd expect it to do doubly well against the 3200. |
| 03:33.24 | spldart | But HDMI audio is SHUWEET |
| 03:33.46 | spldart | browses newegg for that model |
| 03:33.49 | DTRemenak | 9500s are around $60. I've never owned one but they're supposed to be decent cards. |
| 03:34.07 | DTRemenak | and I'd suspect they'd also polish the floor with the 3200. |
| 03:35.13 | spldart | Wow.. those 9600's have massive HS's |
| 03:36.43 | DTRemenak | the passive ones do |
| 03:37.14 | DTRemenak | reference design hsf is around 20% smaller than the board |
| 03:38.47 | DTRemenak | if all you play is bzflag, you'd probably be just fine with a 9500, and save $30 or so. |
| 03:39.13 | spldart | 9600gt's start out around 85 bux. And I found one with hdmi.. hrm... If I get non intergrated video I'll prolly lose hdmi audio wouldn't I? |
| 03:39.40 | DTRemenak | not sure |
| 03:39.54 | DTRemenak | depends on drivers most likely |
| 03:39.55 | spldart | I'm loving the hdmi audio. I guess I need to google that too 8-0 |
| 03:40.07 | DTRemenak | might be some way to splice it too |
| 03:41.30 | spldart | is running a 40 inch sony bravia lcd full hd for a monitor. |
| 03:41.49 | spldart | ... and a homemade powered sub |
| 03:41.59 | spldart | Polk 10" driver |
| 03:42.37 | DTRemenak | wasn't talking about those drivers :P |
| 03:42.42 | spldart | hehe |
| 03:44.53 | spldart | Jeff's query about whether my processor is black edition has the back of my mind all a-buzz with overclocking experiments. Tomorrow should be exciting. I may just leave serious linux configuration.. Post radeon loading, for nvidia time. |
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| 03:47.51 | Think_Differentl | spldart, you could get a 4670... |
| 03:49.06 | DTRemenak | he's trying to avoid dealing with the ati linux driver situation, Think_Differentl; not sure how another ati card would help that. |
| 03:50.31 | spldart | is thinking a WD 750 gig sata drive and a 9600 might go well together ;)... But yeah.. no ati for me. it's hard to setup linux well for it. |
| 03:51.31 | spldart | heh.. 'HD' must be the latest buzz word. This mobo has "HD" all over it. HD vid, HD audio.. |
| 03:51.55 | DTRemenak | yeah, it's the new "XP" |
| 03:52.49 | DTRemenak | surprised microsoft didn't jump on it and call vista "windows hd" :) |
| 03:53.53 | short_circuit | I find it amusing since I work on HD theater stuff all day to pay for this silly compy hobby. |
| 03:54.22 | DTRemenak | heh, I'm sure it pays for other things too...like those hungry mouths :) |
| 03:54.58 | DTRemenak | but buzzwords come and go in tech. 'tis the way of things. |
| 03:56.46 | short_circuit | :) Those hungry mouths are looking for their next compy upgrade too ;) Anywho... I gotta run an errand. Thanks all for the input. 8-D |
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| 19:16.55 | Wyk3d | shouldn't there be a wiki page for gsoc 2009 ? can't seem to find it .. or the idea list stayed the same ? |
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| 19:18.29 | joevano | Wyk3d: we have not officially applied or been accepted yet |
| 19:18.47 | joevano | though we will probably get one up shortly |
| 19:19.46 | joevano | as for projects, I think for this year the idea is to try and get students to work on the core (or continue their projects from last year) |
| 19:20.03 | joevano | we really need to get 2.99 into shape for release |
| 19:20.32 | joevano | but i may just be babbling as well :P |
| 19:21.03 | randomparticle | i mentioned this before, but don't know if anyone got to see it: |
| 19:21.04 | randomparticle | http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=17dkaiLkrV4aL22ClYTCwpQSzR2baZ0 |
| 19:23.53 | randomparticle | i.e., if i disable my audio driver in windows, the framerate drops substantially, but only if the energy saver is already on |
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| 19:27.07 | joevano | randomparticle: have you opened a 'bug' ticket out on SourceForge? that is definately a wierd problem |
| 19:27.09 | brlcad | Wyk3d: the idea list definitely will not stay the same |
| 19:27.21 | brlcad | Wyk3d: do you plan on applying if we participate? |
| 19:27.22 | joevano | wonder if it can be reproduced by anyone |
| 19:27.27 | randomparticle | joevano: i haven't actually |
| 19:27.29 | brlcad | (continuation of project, I presume?) |
| 19:27.34 | randomparticle | would like to diagnose it myself if i could |
| 19:27.44 | brlcad | someone(tm) should do the wiki updates |
| 19:27.53 | joevano | i assume you have the latest and greatest drivers |
| 19:28.00 | randomparticle | but it's tricky without having a profiler. and that is only available in the Visual Studio Team Edition apparently |
| 19:28.06 | brlcad | otherwise I'll be working most of that all day tomorrow |
| 19:28.42 | randomparticle | i did try downloading some later drivers from realtek. but their server is so slow i gave up. 2B/s download speed :) |
| 19:29.14 | joevano | hehe |
| 19:29.53 | randomparticle | i'm really intrigued by this problem. it's very odd |
| 19:32.31 | joevano | yeah it is, if its not reproducable by others I would assume driver issues |
| 19:33.16 | randomparticle | can those issues leak into the kernel and seep out anywhere ? :) |
| 19:33.46 | blast007 | randomparticle: have you tried running the client with -mute ? |
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| 19:33.57 | randomparticle | no |
| 19:33.59 | blast007 | not sure what that really does in the code itself, but might be something to test with |
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| 19:37.35 | JefferyM | we are going to apply, and we can't even release.... wow |
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| 19:44.10 | randomparticle | EA want my date of birth, full name, address and CD key just to answer a general technical query. is that unreasonable? |
| 19:44.48 | randomparticle | feels like they're running some sort of police state |
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| 19:46.38 | JefferyM | they are just making sure your not a pirate |
| 19:46.53 | randomparticle | they make want to be one :) |
| 19:46.56 | JefferyM | the dob and name are for COPPA cus they are going to store info for you |
| 19:47.01 | JefferyM | the CD key is for piracy |
| 19:47.27 | randomparticle | that bit i can understand. but the query is something you might ask if you were thinking of buying the game |
| 19:47.41 | randomparticle | i.e., you don't have to have the game to want to know the answer |
| 19:47.51 | JefferyM | perhaps they have it elsewhere, and not on there support site |
| 19:48.00 | JefferyM | support is setup for post-purchase |
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| 19:48.30 | randomparticle | it's about their securom. i don't object to securom in principle. but i want to know what happens to deactivation if i can't connect to their server when i uninstall the game |
| 19:48.58 | randomparticle | i mean, will the game uninstall but not get deactivated or what? :) |
| 19:49.25 | JefferyM | send them an email |
| 19:49.28 | randomparticle | have done |
| 19:49.35 | JefferyM | then there ya go |
| 19:50.20 | randomparticle | have exchanged several emails. they're not even getting near providing an answer |
| 19:50.33 | JefferyM | then don't buy there game :) |
| 19:50.42 | randomparticle | i'll pirate it next time :) |
| 19:50.47 | randomparticle | would be simpler |
| 19:51.09 | JefferyM | perhaps but that is out of the scope of this channel |
| 19:51.54 | randomparticle | am thinking i might cut this out: |
| 19:51.55 | randomparticle | TimeKeeper::sleep(remaining); |
| 19:52.04 | randomparticle | and see if the issue persists |
| 19:52.18 | randomparticle | do you know of any free profiling tools for visual studio, jeff? |
| 19:52.32 | JefferyM | not off the top of my head |
| 19:52.45 | JefferyM | but if your a student I beliv you get get the numega tools very cheap |
| 19:56.07 | randomparticle | this has the profiler in it, i believe: |
| 19:56.09 | randomparticle | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Visual-Studio-Developer-English-Latam/dp/B000WM3L4S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1236887694&sr=8-1 |
| 19:56.20 | randomparticle | it's £4,834 |
| 19:56.27 | randomparticle | not cheap :) |
| 19:56.30 | JefferyM | that's more then just a profiler |
| 19:56.41 | JefferyM | so you are not a student? |
| 19:56.44 | randomparticle | no |
| 19:57.00 | JefferyM | then the only third party one I know of is the numega suite |
| 19:57.06 | JefferyM | aka boundschecker |
| 19:57.18 | JefferyM | build on linux and use valgrind |
| 19:57.39 | randomparticle | the problem only occurs under windows |
| 19:57.55 | JefferyM | then throw in some timing code |
| 19:58.03 | randomparticle | i find it incredible that normal editions of visual studio lack a profiler |
| 19:58.13 | randomparticle | no wonder lots of windows programs run like molasses :) |
| 19:58.16 | JefferyM | tha'ts always been the case |
| 19:58.28 | JefferyM | why do you run windows if you hate it so much? |
| 19:58.35 | randomparticle | i like windows |
| 19:59.12 | JefferyM | ahh |
| 20:00.07 | randomparticle | i'm just really surprised that something so fundamental is missing. visual studio is great in other respects. i like it lots. but this should be in all editions |
| 20:00.44 | randomparticle | you can't optimize code properly without it |
| 20:00.47 | JefferyM | vc has never had a profiler as far as I know |
| 20:01.00 | JefferyM | they just recently made one and added it to the team builder |
| 20:01.02 | blast007 | randomparticle: were you having this issue on a specific version of Windows? |
| 20:01.05 | JefferyM | everyone has always used third party |
| 20:01.20 | randomparticle | yes, Server 2008 |
| 20:01.26 | _anomaly_ | I was sure my ancient version of Visual Studio 5.0 Enterprise Edition had a profiler |
| 20:01.35 | randomparticle | there is a visual studio profiler. one sec, i'll google it up |
| 20:01.41 | JefferyM | it wasn't called visual studio in 5 ;) |
| 20:01.47 | JefferyM | it was visual C++ |
| 20:01.50 | randomparticle | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/cc337887.aspx |
| 20:02.16 | _anomaly_ | true |
| 20:02.18 | JefferyM | randomparticle, sure that's in 2008, in the full version |
| 20:02.31 | JefferyM | _anomaly_, I think there was a simple sucky one back in 4.2 |
| 20:02.34 | randomparticle | "For our purpose, we'll use the profiler that comes with the two previously mentioned editions of Visual Studio. " |
| 20:02.36 | JefferyM | but they droped it for a long long time |
| 20:02.56 | _anomaly_ | ah, vers 5.0 was the only one I used |
| 20:03.06 | JefferyM | "In this article, we will show you how you can use Visual Studio® Team System Development Edition or Visual Studio Team Suite to identify performance bottlenecks in your application. " |
| 20:03.15 | randomparticle | right |
| 20:03.22 | randomparticle | and those editions cost a fortune |
| 20:03.28 | JefferyM | but you are correct for a long time the base edditions have not had anythig IIRC |
| 20:03.35 | JefferyM | 7.0, 7.1, 8, etc.. |
| 20:03.38 | JefferyM | 6 didn't |
| 20:03.53 | JefferyM | that's why people go third party |
| 20:04.05 | JefferyM | Team edition is MSs first shot into getting people off third party stuff |
| 20:04.09 | JefferyM | bug trackers, etc.. |
| 20:04.58 | JefferyM | but it is the way it is, not much you can do |
| 20:06.28 | Wyk3d | "[21:27] <brlcad> Wyk3d: do you plan on applying if we participate?" yes :) |
| 20:08.28 | Wyk3d | last summer was awesome .. |
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| 20:10.57 | randomparticle | am struggling to find a microsoft page that tells you what is actually in the various editions |
| 20:11.56 | randomparticle | must be buried in there somewhere |
| 20:12.06 | blast007 | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/zcbsd3cz(VS.80).aspx |
| 20:12.31 | blast007 | and that was the first google result for "comparison visual studio editions" |
| 20:12.39 | randomparticle | yes, that's 2005 |
| 20:12.53 | randomparticle | already found that, but i'm looking for 2008 |
| 20:13.49 | blast007 | hmm |
| 20:14.46 | randomparticle | ok: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=727BCFB0-B575-47AB-9FD8-4EE067BB3A37&displaylang=en |
| 20:15.48 | randomparticle | this is a catchy name: "Visual Studio Team System 2008 Team Foundation Server" |
| 20:16.04 | blast007 | http://msdn.microsoft.com/fr-fr/teamsystem/cc304612.aspx |
| 20:16.04 | randomparticle | lol only microsoft :) |
| 20:16.36 | randomparticle | that's just for the team system editions |
| 20:16.48 | blast007 | no, read the images |
| 20:16.54 | blast007 | it even covers the express editions |
| 20:17.13 | blast007 | (click Expand All at the top) |
| 20:17.32 | randomparticle | ah, ok. it said "Team System" at the top. that threw me |
| 20:18.03 | blast007 | definately was buried for 2008... wasn't even on the english MSDN, just the french one :/ |
| 20:19.10 | JefferyM | it dosn't really matter, you don't have one so you'll have to do your own timing code no mater what. it's not that hard |
| 20:22.13 | randomparticle | ok. so it looks like you would need "Visual Studio Team System 2008 Test Edition" or "Visual Studio Team System 2008 Team Suite" :) |
| 20:22.37 | randomparticle | so option 2, my own timing code, then |
| 20:24.51 | randomparticle | not sure where the problem lies at all. probably in the energy saver code, so i could wrap timers around lines of source there. but some of those lines involve getting the system time |
| 20:25.02 | randomparticle | which might lead to complication |
| 20:26.18 | blast007 | do you have the issue with our official 2.0.10 installer? |
| 20:26.38 | randomparticle | yeah |
| 20:26.42 | blast007 | fun |
| 20:27.03 | randomparticle | i mean, i can live with it. it's not like i have audio disabled often |
| 20:28.25 | randomparticle | i'm just curious about it |
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| 20:30.35 | _anomaly_ | randomparticle: have you looked at the energy saver code in playing.cxx? |
| 20:30.44 | randomparticle | yes |
| 20:30.57 | _anomaly_ | it doesn't seem that complicated |
| 20:31.01 | randomparticle | no |
| 20:31.13 | randomparticle | i thought i might comment out this: |
| 20:31.18 | randomparticle | TimeKeeper::sleep(remaining); |
| 20:31.29 | randomparticle | and then see if disabling the driver cuts the framerate |
| 20:31.39 | _anomaly_ | that would effectively disable the energy saver |
| 20:31.42 | randomparticle | yes |
| 20:32.41 | randomparticle | but not the code around it, which may be the cause |
| 20:32.41 | _anomaly_ | but the rest of the code would run |
| 20:32.41 | _anomaly_ | i see |
| 20:32.41 | _anomaly_ | it's a strange problem |
| 20:32.41 | randomparticle | yes, hard to say what is going on |
| 20:32.41 | _anomaly_ | have any other windows users been able to duplicate it? |
| 20:32.42 | randomparticle | my initial thought was maybe something was trying to query the driver and waiting on that |
| 20:33.00 | randomparticle | but then the effect would happen if the energy saver was on or off |
| 20:33.38 | _anomaly_ | how are you disabling the audio? |
| 20:33.44 | randomparticle | device manager |
| 20:33.50 | _anomaly_ | oh |
| 20:34.34 | JefferyM | we don't do anything with the driver |
| 20:34.39 | JefferyM | all our sound is via direct sound |
| 20:34.47 | JefferyM | we just fill it's buffer and go on |
| 20:34.55 | _anomaly_ | maybe you should try what blast said, running with -mute |
| 20:35.09 | randomparticle | ok |
| 20:35.15 | JefferyM | and is this in 2.0.x or 2.99? |
| 20:35.21 | randomparticle | 2.0.10 |
| 20:35.34 | JefferyM | oh, then who cares, sound got redone in 2.99 :) |
| 20:35.42 | JefferyM | with mute on, it dosn't even initalise sound anymore |
| 20:35.54 | randomparticle | i can try it in 2.99 later |
| 20:35.58 | JefferyM | no sound manger class is created |
| 20:36.20 | JefferyM | you probably have a dead audio thread in 2.0.10 that's stalling |
| 20:36.27 | randomparticle | can't be sure at this point bz's sound has anything to do with it |
| 20:36.29 | JefferyM | 2.99.x dosn't even try to make the threads |
| 20:36.41 | randomparticle | sounds reasonable, tho |
| 20:37.13 | JefferyM | 2.99 encapsulates all the sound code in an abstract class, to make it easer to swap out (openAL, fmod, etc..) |
| 20:37.25 | randomparticle | could be some weird sound effect. i only disabled audio because after 5 mins the keyboard and mouse stop working with audio enabled. that is weird too :) |
| 20:37.35 | randomparticle | stop working in fallout 3, that is |
| 20:37.47 | JefferyM | you have crapy onboard sound? |
| 20:37.56 | randomparticle | yeah |
| 20:38.07 | JefferyM | put a real card in the system :) |
| 20:38.29 | randomparticle | could do, i guess. i don't listen to things much though |
| 20:38.44 | randomparticle | i always play bz with the sound off, for example |
| 20:38.50 | JefferyM | onboard sound usualy uses the CPU for most processing, if you play games, it can suck |
| 20:39.14 | randomparticle | i see. so disabling it should be good then? |
| 20:39.24 | JefferyM | in 2.99.x probably |
| 20:39.43 | JefferyM | 2.0.x I belive still inits a sound thread but dosn't play anything IIRC |
| 20:39.59 | JefferyM | it was all wacky |
| 20:42.43 | blast007 | guess I should have clarified when I asked about 2.0.10 to mention *also* in 2.0.10 ;) |
| 20:42.51 | blast007 | figured we were talking about trunk |
| 20:43.01 | blast007 | assumed* |
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| 20:44.04 | randomparticle | do we have normal mapping at all? |
| 20:44.12 | randomparticle | those textures look so flat! |
| 20:44.53 | randomparticle | especially, e.g., the wall. looks like a brick pattern wallpaper rather than bricks |
| 20:45.24 | blast007 | write a Lua script to make it look better ;) |
| 20:46.39 | _anomaly_ | it may be that the map you're on has "nolighting" |
| 20:48.18 | JefferyM | randomparticle, because it is wallpaper |
| 20:48.22 | JefferyM | bzflag is old man |
| 20:48.47 | brlcad | Wyk3d: good to know, thanks |
| 20:49.04 | JefferyM | so the release is ready to go brlcad ? ;) |
| 20:49.10 | randomparticle | no chance of using the crytek 2 engine, then? |
| 20:49.33 | randomparticle | i love the way palm trees fall over in crysis :) |
| 20:49.42 | JefferyM | randomparticle, sure buy us a copy of the engine wiht an open source license, and I'll galdly hook it up. |
| 20:50.10 | brlcad | JefferyM: absolutely .. not ;) |
| 20:50.35 | JefferyM | so another semi-pointless soc :) |
| 20:50.59 | brlcad | not necessarily |
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| 20:51.19 | JefferyM | well it'll be nice for the students to see how a project is run poorly ;) |
| 20:52.00 | JefferyM | how many are you going to request if you get in? |
| 20:52.02 | brlcad | new modus operandi? |
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| 20:52.34 | trepan | bzflag, a cautionary tale ... |
| 20:52.50 | JefferyM | noone wants to be a cautionary tale :) |
| 20:53.13 | brlcad | we've run the past gsoc's very well, better than many |
| 20:53.25 | JefferyM | that is probably true |
| 20:53.29 | brlcad | the fact that we've done poorly since gsoc has nothing to do with gsoc |
| 20:53.35 | brlcad | just should change how we participate |
| 20:54.13 | JefferyM | how many do you want to ask for this time? |
| 20:54.24 | brlcad | presently |
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| 20:54.32 | brlcad | what we talked about earlier a little |
| 20:54.52 | JefferyM | so fewer, that'd be better IMHO |
| 20:55.52 | brlcad | only bug fix projects, projects to help stabilize and test, no new code outside of maybe allowing continuation of previous gsoc projects (by a previously productive student that integrates well) |
| 20:55.58 | brlcad | but yeah, far fewer |
| 20:56.01 | brlcad | 3 max |
| 20:56.02 | brlcad | maybe 2 |
| 20:56.27 | JefferyM | still sad that we can't get more regular devs :( |
| 20:56.59 | JefferyM | or at least more work from them, is what I mean |
| 20:58.34 | JefferyM | deletes a joevano post :) |
| 20:59.32 | joevano | yeah i debated, but then thought what the heck i knew if it wasn't good you would follow behind :P |
| 20:59.42 | JefferyM | heh |
| 21:00.05 | JefferyM | flamebait is flamebait no mater the source :) |
| 21:03.50 | joevano | one mans justice is another mans flaimbait :P |
| 21:04.22 | JefferyM | that may be your opinion, but it's private between him and them. |
| 21:04.34 | joevano | true |
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| 21:07.58 | brlcad | I think that'll be an interesting study in itself actually -- if there are half as many students (getting twice the attention), do they stay involved more afterwards |
| 21:08.11 | JefferyM | that will be interesting |
| 21:08.18 | JefferyM | how many did we have first time? |
| 21:08.19 | JefferyM | 4? |
| 21:08.43 | brlcad | that's also part of the reasoning to possibly allow continuation of previous successful projects, get the students even more integrated with more attention, more invested to keep going after studies finish |
| 21:08.55 | brlcad | the fact that they're still in school is a big factor I think |
| 21:09.01 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 21:09.04 | brlcad | 4 first time, 6 second |
| 21:09.24 | brlcad | so even less than first time |
| 21:09.26 | JefferyM | tho from year one, I think we kept more applicants that didn't get in then passed students, re. const. |
| 21:09.51 | brlcad | so we need to turn more away ;) |
| 21:09.56 | JefferyM | you should send that polish guy an email reminding him to apply this year |
| 21:10.03 | JefferyM | cus he was an almost last year |
| 21:10.11 | brlcad | oh the one that was nervous as alll hell |
| 21:10.16 | JefferyM | I forgot his name |
| 21:10.17 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 21:10.21 | brlcad | good point |
| 21:10.23 | JefferyM | he had a dupe project |
| 21:10.33 | brlcad | i think it was new code though |
| 21:10.39 | JefferyM | of KoCs |
| 21:10.39 | brlcad | riiight, his was gui |
| 21:10.42 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 21:10.46 | JefferyM | KoC did great tho |
| 21:10.53 | brlcad | yeah |
| 21:12.03 | JefferyM | maybe see if he's interested in BZWB mods or something |
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