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03:23.02keith80403What are the numbers in /lagstats that are before the milliseconds display?
03:24.05temp_distlagstats are ping time +- jitter and maybe x% Packetloss
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04:48.24CIA-66BZFlag: 03209.30.176.202 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5538 10/w/Flag_ideas: /* List of flag ideas to process to new fomrat: */
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07:16.30Sargunis global down?
07:16.50blast007nope
07:16.59sniper15it's fine
07:17.11Sargunodd
07:17.19SargunIt's not getting any servers here.
07:17.24sniper15can't get an +?
07:17.31Sarguna +?
07:17.32sniper15slow internet connection?
07:17.36Sargunno
07:17.41sniper15identified correctly
07:17.52Sargunhm
07:24.37blast007~bzflist
07:24.58blast007try going to this in your browser: http://my.bzflag.org/db/?action=LIST
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07:37.13Sargunblast007, I had to run  bzflag -list http://my.bzflag.org/db/
07:37.22blast007odd
07:37.30Sargunnow it works without that
07:37.37blast007that's the default though ;)
07:37.48blast007so you musta had a different one in your config
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16:12.58Happy_Aliceis MsgPlayerUpdate messages only received within UDP connection ?
16:20.28_anomaly_on 2.0.x it is received on TCP and maybe UDP
16:21.16Happy_Alice_anomaly_ i am glad to see you
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16:30.42Thumper_blast007: ping
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17:16.16Thumper_forum PMs seem to be borked: [submit] -> You don't have permission to access /bb/ucp.php on this server.
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17:17.31L4m3rThumper_: shhhhhh! don't jynx it! :P
17:25.05joevanoThumper_: I don't get that, seems to work for me  :/ anyone else seeing the issue?
17:32.37temp_workjoevano, works for me too
17:33.02joevanomaybe someone fixed it
17:33.09joevanoThumper_: can you try it now?
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18:30.05Thumper_joevano: hmm reply to you works but reply to TTG on an old mail doesn't
18:31.56joevanoah... it was probably a pre-upgrade mail
18:32.12Thumper_Sat Feb 28
18:32.26joevanowell nope :P
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18:49.39ruskiethere was a massive issue on viper today it seems
18:50.14ruskiepeople got banned...
18:53.26blast007ruskie: okay?
18:53.35blast007poll bans?
18:53.43ruskieseems like it
18:53.50ruskieautomatically
18:53.50blast007iirc, viper has local auth
18:53.53ruskieand by themselves
18:53.59ruskieboth global and local
18:54.28blast007tell them to remove their passdb if they want to avoid that
18:55.23blast007Thumper_: pong
19:00.44Thumper_blast007: just an issue with bzbb PMs - It seems I can't compose and save/submit a PM with the following body in it: "ABCDEF and you can just select the upload map from the"
19:01.02Thumper_if I delete the trailing 'the' it works. weird
19:01.15Thumper_joevano is/was also looking at it
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19:19.26joevanoblast007: seems Thumper_'s issue points to an apache modsecurity rule from what I can see
19:20.09joevanoi'm not sure I have access to the apache logs on that box, but I will try to pinpoint it better tonight
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19:48.50blast007joevano: okay
19:48.57blast007hi JeffM
19:49.06JeffMhi
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21:29.41JeffMawww phpbb3 permisions system dosn'
21:29.48JeffM't have a " can post" perm :(
21:32.58Erroneous"can post" is equivalent to "can start new topics" + "can reply to topics"
21:33.46JeffMdosn't seem to be a way to set it per user tho :(
21:34.14Erroneousper user per forum
21:34.19JeffMeww
21:34.22Erroneouscan't do per user globally, sadly
21:34.22JeffMoh well
21:34.29Erroneousbut you can set it for all the forums at once
21:39.27joevanoJeffM: in "Users' Forum permissions" you can give them read only access
21:39.53joevanoagain that is per main forum, but only a few to set
21:40.04JeffMcan we do a group that has read only in all fourums, and they not be able to remove themselves from it?
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21:41.58ErroneousI think it's still not possible to have groups that users can't opt out of
21:42.05JeffMoh well then
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21:43.16Erroneousit's not that hard to set the per user per forum stuff, just involves a few more clicks.  at least you can get it all on one page.
21:43.40Erroneousand it gets inherited by the subforums
21:43.48JeffMit's not worth the maintenence of those users, a stern talking too will be a better start
21:44.08Erroneoususually that's a better start anyway
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22:01.38randomparticlesome microsoft weirdness. i just discovered these files in my root (C:\) directory:
22:01.40randomparticlehttp://pastebin.ca/1352244
22:02.31JeffMwhat is in them?
22:03.06randomparticlethe eulas are all identical and contain: "You have received the software as part of the Visual Studio 9.0 Beta Program. [...]  The software will stop running on 15 March 2008."
22:03.34randomparticlewhich is odd because: (a) i wasn't aware i was using a beta and (b) it's still running fine and today is well after that date
22:03.52JeffMprobably leftovers from the EE installer
22:03.59randomparticleEE?
22:04.24JeffMyou installed vc 2008 express edition?
22:04.28randomparticleyep
22:04.33JeffMEE
22:04.34JeffM;)
22:05.33randomparticlei downloaded it after 15 March 2008. my current OS installation didn't even exist until a couple of weeks ago :)
22:05.53randomparticleand the disk was reformatted during installation
22:06.03JeffMprobalby beta stuff they didn't take out of the installer
22:06.05JeffMit's a mistake
22:06.07randomparticleyeah
22:06.10JeffMthrow them away, get on with your life
22:06.23randomparticlewould be nice if they didn't shove it in c:\ :)
22:06.32JeffMthey pobably didn't intend to
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22:07.40randomparticlei tried compiling a version of bzflag with 64-bit goodness last night. pleased to say it compiled ok and runs fine
22:07.49JeffMas it should
22:08.06JeffMI built them 64 long long ago
22:08.15randomparticleyep. couldn't manage it under OS X, though. i can't get the SDL stuff to compile for x64
22:08.34JeffMthere is no advantage to doing a 64 bit build
22:08.43JeffMit jsut uses more memory and runs slightly slower
22:09.12JeffMwe arn't exactly dependent on high precision math or using over 2 gigs of ram ;)
22:09.16randomparticle:)
22:09.32JeffMall a 64 bit build does is make all the pointers we store 2x as large
22:09.40JeffMand slower to manipulate
22:09.45randomparticlewell, i will compare the speeds myself. 64-bit programs usually run slightly faster
22:09.52randomparticleabout 15% or so
22:10.05JeffMI highly doublt that
22:10.10Think_DifferentlJeffM, this may not be possible, but could you add a key on the forums to what the icons next to threads mean?
22:10.17JeffMThink_Differentl: nope
22:10.21Think_Differentlah
22:11.09randomparticlesomeone said it had something to do with being able to pass more parameters using registers
22:11.36JeffMPerhaps the optimisers are better now then when I tried
22:11.40randomparticlenot sure if that is true though. but benchmarks do seem to show that 64-bit programs run faster than their 32-bit counterparts, even when memory isn't an issue
22:11.42JeffMbut I can't see it doing much for us
22:11.52randomparticleyeah
22:11.57JeffMif it was doing lots of double work, sure
22:12.01JeffMor longint
22:12.07JeffMwe do all our stuff as floats
22:12.11JeffMbut who knows
22:12.37randomparticlefor me it's just an emotional thing. feels nice to have 64-bit stuff on a 64-bit platform :)
22:12.47JeffMperhaps your driver just has a cleaner interface to the native code rather then the WoW interface
22:13.10JeffMthere is an extra step when dealing with WoW
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23:08.13randomparticlein VSE, when i click f7 it compiles the whole group of projects. is it possible to make it compile one particular project?
23:09.00randomparticlei'm selecting the build option by mouse atm
23:14.59YassenYou can right click on any project and hit "Build"
23:15.23JeffMyou can do the same with a file too
23:15.24YassenBut note that some projects will need some other projects compiled in order to compile
23:17.18YassenSuch as if you wanted to compile BZFS, it would first compile many projects such as "net" or "ares".
23:18.13JeffMyou are wrong Yassen the project knows the dependencies and will build them if they are not current
23:18.17JeffMyou don't have to do it manualy
23:18.31JeffMoh sorry I missread
23:18.36JeffMstupid dayquill
23:18.40Yassenlol
23:18.56randomparticlethe right-click is what i've been doing. but i find it a lot faster to press a single key
23:19.15randomparticlecan you set it up so a single key click will build one of the projects?
23:19.35JeffMyou can have it compile the "current"
23:19.40JeffMor the default project
23:19.49JeffMwhat are you trying to do?
23:19.52JeffMhow about that?
23:20.11JeffMwhat one of the 3 apps are you just trying to build?
23:20.15randomparticleusually just the bzflag project
23:20.22JeffMcopy the sln
23:20.29JeffMthrow away bzfs and bzadmin
23:20.46randomparticlesln?
23:20.48JeffMthen that copy will just be for the client
23:20.51JeffMfile
23:20.54randomparticleok
23:20.56JeffMbzflag.sln
23:21.00JeffMcopy it to client.sln
23:21.05JeffMopen client.sln
23:21.12JeffMdelete the bzfs and bzadmin proejcts form it
23:21.15JeffMbuild
23:21.17randomparticlegreat thanks
23:21.30JeffMnow you have a thing that is client only
23:21.43JeffMtho once you build bzflag and bzadmin it won't build them again unless something changes
23:21.51JeffMso it's usualy not a big deal
23:21.56randomparticleyeah
23:22.42randomparticleanother thing.. if i add the /MP switch, is that propagated through dependencies?
23:22.53JeffMwhere are you adding it?
23:23.16randomparticleto the c++ command line
23:23.28randomparticlein the properties for bzflag
23:23.29JeffMfor what project?
23:23.50JeffMthen no, that's just for bzflag
23:23.55randomparticleso what i'm saying, i guess, is do i have to add it to the properties for each subproject?
23:23.56JeffMit builds the dependencies FIRST
23:23.58JeffMyes
23:24.04randomparticleok, thanks
23:24.06JeffMthey all compile out to static libs
23:24.10JeffMwhat does /mp do?
23:24.16randomparticleparallel compilation
23:24.28JeffMVC9 does that a different way
23:24.32JeffMtools options
23:24.39randomparticlewhen you have 8 cores, you want to use all of them :)
23:24.49JeffMyeah you do that in the VC prefs
23:24.50JeffMnot per file
23:25.11JeffMtools -> options-> projects and solutions -> build and run
23:25.21randomparticleok
23:25.24JeffMthere is a box for maximum number of parallell proejct builds
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23:25.44randomparticlei'd added it to the project properties, so perhaps not the best place
23:25.50JeffMno it's not
23:25.58JeffMyou want it to build more then one project at a time :)
23:26.02randomparticleyeah
23:26.06JeffMyou think too linux like
23:26.33randomparticleanother thing.. under the tools/options/vc++ directories setting
23:26.40randomparticleyou get a list of include paths etc
23:26.50randomparticlebut they seem to apply across projects
23:27.00randomparticlecan they be set on a per-project basis?
23:27.01JeffMyeah
23:27.08JeffMthey are for system includes
23:27.13JeffMstuff in <>
23:27.14JeffMnot ""
23:27.29JeffMfor stuff in "" you add it to the addititional include dirs per project
23:27.42randomparticleah.. :)
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23:33.33randomparticleso if i want to use the nov directx sdk for one project and the april 2007 sdk for another?
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23:34.25randomparticlei need to get rid of the angled brackets and replace them with quotes, then use the additional incl. dirs. method?
23:34.34JeffMyep
23:35.18JeffMtho the april 2007 one should include the Dinput8 stuff and work
23:35.27JeffMso it would be possible to build both with the older lib
23:35.30JeffMI think
23:35.37JeffMunless they didn't change the folder layout
23:36.05JeffMyou may have to copy dinput.lib and rename it dinput8.luib
23:36.07JeffMlib
23:36.16JeffMbut the older code HAS DI 8 in it
23:36.18randomparticleanother situation was the x64 compilation. i needed to add different paths for that
23:36.33JeffMit should support that in the IDE
23:36.44randomparticleit doesn't in the express edition
23:36.52randomparticleone sec.. i have a link..
23:36.58JeffMahh
23:37.37randomparticlehttp://jenshuebel.wordpress.com/2009/02/12/visual-c-2008-express-edition-and-64-bit-targets/
23:37.51JeffMyeah ee and 64 bit is less then supported
23:38.05JeffMget a student to get you the full version for like 9$ :)
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