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| 08:05.26 | SportChick | brlcad: I don't suppose you're still awake? |
| 08:05.44 | SportChick | or DTRemenak |
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| 17:58.06 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03Javawizard2539 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5530 10/w/Known_Cheats: /* Blatant Cheats */ Added the cheat that allows speaking as another player (but not how it's done, for obvious reasons) |
| 18:13.23 | tj13820 | wow didn't know that was possible... never had that one happen hehe |
| 18:13.32 | tj13820 | is on constant guard now... |
| 18:17.13 | SpazzyMcGee | There's a plugin to do that |
| 18:17.28 | SpazzyMcGee | We used it to great effect on April Fool's |
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| 18:34.21 | blast007 | It's probably the /me bug |
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| 19:36.26 | amathis | what a beautiful memphis day .. -.- |
| 19:37.39 | SpazzyMcGee | What a beautiful... foggy starless london night. |
| 19:38.40 | amathis | cold wet memphis afternoon |
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| 20:14.35 | blast007 | hi amathis |
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| 20:17.26 | amathis | hey blast007 :) |
| 20:17.30 | amathis | what's up? |
| 20:17.35 | blast007 | not much |
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| 20:28.54 | BulletCatcher | With an ATI Radeon HD 2400 video card should I expect better performance than the 25 FPS I get with lowest quality video settings? |
| 20:29.18 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: try the highest settings |
| 20:29.38 | blast007 | the lowest settings are more targeted at software rendering which runs slower on hardware rendering |
| 20:29.48 | blast007 | s/which/and tends to/ |
| 20:29.58 | BulletCatcher | trying now... |
| 20:31.09 | BulletCatcher | Ooof. It's down to 5 FPS with best texturing and high quality. |
| 20:31.21 | blast007 | are you sure you've got 3D acceleration then? |
| 20:31.43 | blast007 | (What OS is that?) |
| 20:32.34 | BulletCatcher | It's Fedora 10. I installed the fglrx driver, apparently successfully. |
| 20:33.01 | blast007 | what resolution? |
| 20:33.07 | BulletCatcher | It didn't make much of a difference when running glxgears. |
| 20:33.09 | BulletCatcher | 1280x1024 |
| 20:33.35 | blast007 | and you have every graphics option turned on? |
| 20:33.46 | blast007 | (maybe except shadows and lighting) |
| 20:34.22 | blast007 | cuz I can get 24 to 90 FPS on my Intel 855 (though that's at 640x480) with everything except shadows and lighting |
| 20:34.53 | BulletCatcher | With everything but shadows and lighting on it is down to 3 FPS full screen. |
| 20:35.09 | blast007 | hrm.. my nVidia 7600 GT can push 100 FPS at 1440x900 |
| 20:35.27 | blast007 | so for some reason you *can't* be getting 3D accel |
| 20:35.32 | BulletCatcher | I agree. |
| 20:35.38 | blast007 | glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 20:36.06 | blast007 | should say something about direct rendering |
| 20:36.18 | BulletCatcher | it says "direct rendering: Yes" |
| 20:36.33 | blast007 | try a grep in there for 'renderer' then |
| 20:36.53 | blast007 | (or just take off the grep and look everything over) |
| 20:37.07 | BulletCatcher | "OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer" |
| 20:37.16 | blast007 | hehe.. |
| 20:37.37 | blast007 | so yeah, that explains a lot |
| 20:38.27 | BulletCatcher | This is just a development system so it isn't critical. |
| 20:39.14 | BulletCatcher | I plan to be able to multiboot to try to track down the "sealed" problem you have. |
| 20:39.50 | BulletCatcher | Right now I am guessing that it is a 64-bit vs. 32-bit issue. |
| 20:54.20 | BulletCatcher | Okay, independent reviewers get the same low gaming FPS with the Radeon HD 2400 XT that I see. Supposedly it is good for movies, though. |
| 20:59.24 | trepan | do you have the catalyst driver installed? |
| 21:00.05 | trepan | if not, you trying to speed test a ferrari without gas ;-) |
| 21:00.30 | trepan | (not that the 2400 is a ferrari, but, well, you get the idea :) |
| 21:01.02 | BulletCatcher | I can't find any info about a "catalyst" driver for Fedora 10. |
| 21:01.20 | trepan | http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux64/linux64-radeon.html |
| 21:01.51 | trepan | i've never used a linux ati driver ... don't know how it plays with different dists. |
| 21:02.18 | BulletCatcher | I do have fglrx, which I think is the same thing. |
| 21:02.47 | blast007 | from the fedora repo? |
| 21:03.00 | blast007 | (if so, might not be new enough to support that card) |
| 21:03.43 | BulletCatcher | The driver is non-free, so it came from rpmfusion.org rather than Fedora. |
| 21:05.07 | trepan | where your setup is, "Software Rasterizer" screams "driver not installed properly" |
| 21:07.24 | BulletCatcher | Yeah. It looks like the rpmfusion driver includes ATI's version 8.573, which I assume is much older than the 9.2 version directly available from ATI. I'll give the latter a shot and see how it goes. Thanks, guys. |
| 21:10.30 | blast007 | 8.5 supposedly supports the 2400: https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/catalyst_85_linux.html |
| 21:10.52 | blast007 | but still worth a shot trying the newer driver |
| 21:17.13 | trepan | might want to take a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log as well, see if there's anything in there |
| 21:24.20 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19374 10/trunk/bzflag/ (13 files in 6 dirs): |
| 21:24.20 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: * added the BZ.KILL_REASON table |
| 21:24.20 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: * added more information to the PlayerKilled() call-in |
| 21:24.20 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: (killerID, reason, flagType, physicsDriverID) |
| 21:24.20 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: * split bz.ReadImage() into: |
| 21:24.21 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: - bz.ReadImageData(): reads the image data from a lua string |
| 21:24.25 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: - bz.ReadImageFile(): reads the image data from a BzVFS sourced file |
| 21:26.15 | BulletCatcher | Xorg.0.log contains lots of messages that show things working as expected, and no obvious failures. |
| 21:43.59 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19375 10/trunk/bzflag/src/lua/ (LuaCallOuts.cxx LuaConstGame.cxx LuaHandleCallIns.cxx): |
| 21:43.59 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: * setup bz.ReadImageData() and bz.ReadImageFile() so that they can be used |
| 21:43.59 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: to query the image parameters without having to load the data |
| 21:45.23 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19376 10/trunk/bzflag/src/lua/LuaCallOuts.cxx: * reordered the bz.ReadImageXXX() parameters for consistency |
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| 23:11.56 | spldart | As long as nobody minds the OT convo. I'm looking to buy a very cheap netbook. Can those things run simple style bzflag maps or play movies in avi format well? Also. It seems most run XP home with a few running linux. I'm wanting to get one and run debian. |
| 23:13.31 | blast007 | it would depend on which netbook |
| 23:14.03 | spldart | I'm looking at the bottome line acer and asus stuff at the moment. |
| 23:14.06 | blast007 | iirc, Winny has an acer netbook that can run Vista |
| 23:14.09 | spldart | the specs would indicate yes |
| 23:14.34 | spldart | I noticed some of the more expensive models ship with vista |
| 23:15.01 | spldart | At the bottom though they all ship with xp home. I have no problem with xp but I like de3bian better. |
| 23:15.59 | blast007 | is it the Intel 950 graphics chipset? |
| 23:16.04 | spldart | The specs would tend to indicate they can compete with the antiquated hardware I have laying around and am typing on currently which would seem to indicate they can do everything but read optical media. |
| 23:16.45 | spldart | acer5 is 945. checking on the cheap asus |
| 23:17.09 | spldart | heh... asus doesn't specifiy |
| 23:19.58 | blast007 | is this the Eee PC 1000HE you're looking at? |
| 23:20.51 | blast007 | cuz that one has an Intel GMA 950 |
| 23:21.04 | spldart | 900ha.... lemme check the 1000he |
| 23:22.03 | spldart | ah.. yeah.. HE is a bit more than I wanted to spend on this silly unecessary toy ;) |
| 23:22.58 | blast007 | looks to be the 950 in the 900ha too |
| 23:23.13 | spldart | I assume the 950 has proven adequate for some bzflag'ing? |
| 23:24.07 | blast007 | my 845 in my thinkpad does okay for most stuff, at least at 640x480 |
| 23:24.15 | spldart | it appears the 900ha ships with linux and win xp. but newegg doesn't have the linux version of it.. or at least not in my price range |
| 23:24.42 | blast007 | not sure how the 945/950 compares to mine (actually guess I have an 855GM) |
| 23:24.58 | spldart | I wonder what the actual power consumption is on one of these things. |
| 23:25.03 | spldart | thinks of his solar panel. |
| 23:25.20 | blast007 | the acer has a 30-watt AC adapter, if that's any hint |
| 23:26.01 | BulletCatcher | My MacBook has a GMA 950. It seems to be adequate for BZFlag. |
| 23:26.36 | spldart | it is.. 30 watts is maximum 100% duty cycle rating.. but that counts the charger powering the laptop and charging battery through a 'smart' power supply in the machine. |
| 23:28.51 | spldart | Anyone in here bought a Eee rig and wiped XP home and installed debian or ubuntu? |
| 23:29.08 | spldart | Hrm.. Perhaps I should take that query to #debian or #linux |
| 23:29.15 | spldart | hehe |
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| 23:29.39 | blast007 | the only fun part is the lack of a CD-ROM drive |
| 23:29.41 | spldart | I miss my Toshiba Libreto so much. |
| 23:29.46 | blast007 | other than that it shouldn't be too bad |
| 23:29.55 | blast007 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EeePC |
| 23:29.59 | spldart | blast007: Right?! ;-p |
| 23:31.16 | spldart | I'm thinking if I buy one with xp home that I'll buy a 120 gig hdd that will fit so my experiment can be reveresed quickly if it doesn't pan out. I have a usb case that fits laptop drives that could use a 120 gig over the 40 that's in there now if all fails ;) |
| 23:31.44 | blast007 | their directions seem to assume an SSD drive too, so you can ignore some of their recommendations if it's an HDD model |
| 23:32.45 | spldart | looks like a good source of info (link) thanks |
| 23:33.14 | spldart | esp considering how close ubuntu and debian are. |
| 23:34.19 | blast007 | looks like wifi might be 'fun' too |
| 23:34.22 | spldart | hehe |
| 23:35.02 | spldart | Actually. Most of the time this thing will be on rj45. But I've had PLENTY of fun with wireless on linux os's 8-D |
| 23:36.40 | blast007 | :) |
| 23:36.54 | spldart | woah.. kewl.. Ralink and Atheros are the chipsets I have the most experience with in debian anyway |
| 23:37.03 | spldart | building modules etc.. |
| 23:38.23 | spldart | do these netbooks support usb boot? I assume a big fat YES. |
| 23:38.55 | spldart | perhaps my first task should just be a partition resize and keep xp home and dual boot with debian |
| 23:40.48 | blast007 | if not, then I think it'd be hard to ever install any OS on them :P |
| 23:41.05 | spldart | ooP.. another though.. Go with Etch or with Lenny. Etch is rock solid right now.. Lenny isn't so far behind but the xorg automagic config isn't all that great yet.. IMHO |
| 23:41.20 | spldart | s/though/thought |
| 23:42.02 | spldart | I wouldn't put it past a company to just have xerox copies of hdd's coming off a machine and thrown into prebuilt machines this cheap with no way of recovery. |
| 23:42.27 | spldart | but your link does exclude that possiblity doens't it |
| 23:58.13 | short_circuit | Time for a bad movie and pizza :) |