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| 03:02.08 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03Yassen 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5434 10/w/Template:Apicall: Line break after version |
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| 04:52.47 | biggeruniverse | gar gar gar |
| 04:55.48 | biggeruniverse | >.> |
| 05:00.02 | biggeruniverse | <.< |
| 05:02.11 | biggeruniverse | long time since I was here... |
| 05:04.15 | delusional_ | busy expanding? |
| 05:04.31 | biggeruniverse | as always |
| 05:07.17 | delusional_ | trepan, here's my client backtrace http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d5261c1cb I'm not having any problems running bzfs or bzflag, until i try loading src/bzfs/lua/examples |
| 05:09.29 | delusional_ | probbly not much you can learn from that, my question is... I'm always worried about my build environment being correct, warning: Unable to read symbols for "@executable_path/../Frameworks/SDL.framework/Versions/A/SDL" (file not found). |
| 05:09.51 | delusional_ | is that a file i should be repairing? |
| 05:14.14 | delusional_ | there is an executable SDL in that location. |
| 05:21.53 | biggeruniverse | ping Flash |
| 05:29.00 | biggeruniverse | :\ |
| 05:29.15 | biggeruniverse | I guess neither of us get answers |
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| 05:32.16 | delusional_ | at least half the time, after i ask a question, I realize i don't want an answer |
| 05:32.30 | delusional_ | usually about 5 seconds later |
| 05:39.38 | blast007 | delusional_: I hate when I work on something for a hour, can't figure it out, then ask, and then figure it out 10 seconds later.. ;) |
| 05:41.27 | delusional_ | as soon as you ask, you start thinking about what they're reply is gonna be, and BOOM, there it is. |
| 05:41.48 | delusional_ | you see it from the other side |
| 05:42.02 | blast007 | ;) |
| 05:43.18 | delusional_ | right now, i think if i get the right client script, I can join a local server with those pretty parallax shaders, etc. I hitnk i got it figured out, server side. |
| 05:44.20 | delusional_ | but probbly not |
| 05:46.22 | delusional_ | ,y server startup looks just like the one from trepan's log. |
| 05:46.28 | delusional_ | my |
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| 05:52.47 | delusional_ | awww I know how to get that.... when you /saveworld from a lua server, you get A WHOLE LOT more than just a bzw. |
| 05:55.25 | biggeruniverse | lua |
| 05:55.34 | biggeruniverse | I don't like it |
| 05:56.26 | CBG | LUA IS THE FUTURE!! RAWRGH! |
| 05:56.36 | biggeruniverse | I tried it in some code, but I personally found it counter-intuitive. So I pulled it out and used python instead |
| 05:59.43 | biggeruniverse | I have a completely new and different server implementation |
| 05:59.46 | biggeruniverse | j/k |
| 05:59.51 | biggeruniverse | xD |
| 06:00.01 | biggeruniverse | all: not again bu! |
| 06:00.31 | blast007 | biggeruniverse: well, lua is integrated into bzfs and bzflag now ;) |
| 06:00.55 | blast007 | and is available even if bzfs isn't built with plugin support, so lua server plugins can always work |
| 06:01.30 | biggeruniverse | oh, I know. I'm on the commit list |
| 06:01.45 | blast007 | heh |
| 06:01.48 | biggeruniverse | I just shake my fist at the commit emails from time to time ;P |
| 06:02.48 | blast007 | biggeruniverse: have you seen this? http://static.bzexcess.com/blog/bzfi0014_thumb.png |
| 06:03.00 | blast007 | (take off the _thumb part if you want the full 1920x1200 image) |
| 06:03.23 | biggeruniverse | loading... |
| 06:03.40 | biggeruniverse | interesting! |
| 06:03.49 | biggeruniverse | in-game? |
| 06:03.51 | blast007 | that's lua drawing the world (or at least some of the world) |
| 06:03.52 | blast007 | yeah |
| 06:04.21 | biggeruniverse | that's not lua, that's opengl :P |
| 06:04.31 | blast007 | lua is calling the opengl though |
| 06:04.41 | blast007 | and setting up shaders |
| 06:04.46 | biggeruniverse | I see there's still no shadows |
| 06:04.54 | biggeruniverse | I love me some shadows |
| 06:04.59 | blast007 | eh, I have shadows turned off :P |
| 06:05.13 | biggeruniverse | is that latest trunk? |
| 06:05.31 | blast007 | that's from January, so not the latest |
| 06:06.05 | blast007 | the cool part is that stuff like that can be added without having to release a new client, as a lua script can just be pushed out when they join that server |
| 06:06.24 | biggeruniverse | heh |
| 06:07.01 | blast007 | not sure if there are any lua servers up right now |
| 06:07.34 | biggeruniverse | the same thing could be accomplished with python :P |
| 06:07.44 | biggeruniverse | and I wouldn't have to deal with Lua |
| 06:09.11 | biggeruniverse | ehehe |
| 06:09.16 | biggeruniverse | I make me giggle |
| 06:09.41 | delusional_ | client script locations are set with luaUserDir and load automatically... bzfs also loads all the files in a directory when used like -luaworld /bzflag/src/bzfs/lua/example |
| 06:10.21 | blast007 | biggeruniverse: let me know when you integrate python into bzflag/bzfs ;) |
| 06:10.21 | biggeruniverse | don't tempt me blast |
| 06:10.23 | blast007 | hehe |
| 06:11.00 | blast007 | woah, guess that's not the python programming language site >.< |
| 06:11.21 | blast007 | makes a note it's at .org |
| 06:11.57 | biggeruniverse | haha |
| 06:13.30 | CBG | Wow. |
| 06:13.44 | CBG | o.O Woah. |
| 06:14.01 | CBG | didn't think that was possible! |
| 06:14.04 | biggeruniverse | ... |
| 06:14.26 | biggeruniverse | I'll assume you mean the 50k players on Eve Online |
| 06:14.30 | blast007 | CBG: *cough* you mean embedding Python into a C++ application, right> :P |
| 06:14.32 | CBG | Right. |
| 06:14.37 | biggeruniverse | which btw, I love very much |
| 06:14.43 | CBG | Crazy embedding...!! |
| 06:15.15 | CBG | I played the Eve trial for a bit... Was getting bored after an hour or so when I got called away. Never felt compelled to go back. |
| 06:17.14 | biggeruniverse | I feel the same way right now, the difference is the time scale |
| 06:17.29 | biggeruniverse | I got bored after a year when I got called away :P |
| 06:17.50 | CBG | Hehe. I play WoW... |
| 06:17.55 | biggeruniverse | NO! |
| 06:18.11 | biggeruniverse | anyway, you don't really. you play bzflag |
| 06:18.27 | CBG | Nope... Not lately. |
| 06:18.43 | biggeruniverse | I assume I didn't see that |
| 06:24.58 | biggeruniverse | maybe I will replace lua with python! |
| 06:26.10 | biggeruniverse | I could do crazier things >.> |
| 06:38.37 | biggeruniverse | maybe I'll just do crazier things |
| 07:15.11 | trepan | biggeruniverse: the same thing can be accomplished with a number of scripting languages, erlang, javascript, etc... |
| 07:15.33 | trepan | i like lua because it's simple, fast, flexible, and easily embedded |
| 07:23.29 | delusional_ | and small.. i was reading that it can be embedded in only 40K if the binary is stripped. |
| 07:36.25 | biggeruniverse | yes, yes. that's all well and good. |
| 07:42.49 | biggeruniverse | but this is all extremely vexing |
| 07:43.01 | biggeruniverse | I am quite put out! |
| 07:59.07 | biggeruniverse | Anyway, I'll go on preferring python, you go on preferring lua, and the world will go on preferring not to hear of it |
| 08:34.18 | a_meteorite | blast007, ping |
| 08:34.39 | a_meteorite | DTRemenak, purple_cow, anyone else with list server access |
| 08:34.53 | a_meteorite | brlcad too :) |
| 08:35.34 | a_meteorite | let's just say 67.121.105.211 has a public service with very "colorful" language in its description |
| 08:35.38 | a_meteorite | *server |
| 08:35.57 | a_meteorite | "sniper15 is a ... sucking .... ...." |
| 08:53.12 | DTRemenak | thanks. it'll fall off as soon as the ban takes effect. |
| 08:53.37 | a_meteorite | awesome, thanks |
| 09:05.43 | a_meteorite | sniper15 would have actually reported that himself, but he says he can't talk in here... any ops know/can find out? perfectly fine in my channel |
| 09:06.10 | a_meteorite | thought maybe it's mode related, but my IRC knowledge has left me... if I can view other people's modes, I've completely forgotten how :) |
| 09:06.14 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o DTRemenak] by ChanServ |
| 09:06.16 | *** mode/#bzflag [-R] by DTRemenak |
| 09:06.20 | DTRemenak | that better? |
| 09:06.27 | sniper15 | yes |
| 09:06.29 | sniper15 | yay |
| 09:06.32 | sniper15 | I can talk |
| 09:06.35 | sniper15 | thanks! |
| 09:06.39 | a_meteorite | :) |
| 09:06.51 | DTRemenak | might go back; if it does, register your nick with freenode and you'll be able to talk |
| 09:07.10 | a_meteorite | oh you guys went reg-only? (finally?) :) |
| 09:07.12 | sniper15 | i tried the /msg nickserve |
| 09:07.28 | sniper15 | i tried the /msg nickserve help |
| 09:07.28 | sniper15 | followed it |
| 09:07.28 | sniper15 | did it |
| 09:07.29 | sniper15 | nope |
| 09:07.47 | sniper15 | must not like me |
| 09:07.52 | DTRemenak | did you identify afterwards? |
| 09:08.14 | sniper15 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:08.20 | sniper15 | or w/e |
| 09:08.22 | sniper15 | yes |
| 09:08.24 | DTRemenak | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:08.28 | a_meteorite | /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password> |
| 09:08.29 | sniper15 | k |
| 09:08.31 | a_meteorite | er yeah |
| 09:08.59 | a_meteorite | pedantic old me.. still using those command caps :) |
| 09:09.23 | sniper15 | i got >identify< my password |
| 09:09.29 | sniper15 | is that correct? |
| 09:10.29 | DTRemenak | nickserv should tell you "You are now logged in as sniper15" or something to that effect |
| 09:10.39 | sniper15 | hmm |
| 09:10.42 | sniper15 | ok |
| 09:10.45 | sniper15 | I try again |
| 09:11.26 | sniper15 | Ok, getting closer |
| 09:11.59 | sniper15 | got it |
| 09:12.02 | sniper15 | i think... |
| 09:12.16 | DTRemenak | yup, that did it |
| 09:12.33 | a_meteorite | you gotta do that everytime you join IRC, fyi |
| 09:12.43 | a_meteorite | a good client should be able to do it automatically though |
| 09:12.47 | a_meteorite | (if you set it to) |
| 09:12.49 | DTRemenak | if you want to talk on +R channels anyway ;) |
| 09:12.50 | sniper15 | X-chat? |
| 09:13.17 | a_meteorite | I dunno by heart, look around in connection stuff... it's been a long time since I've touched x-chat and I use colloquy on the mac :) |
| 09:13.37 | sniper15 | wish I had a mac...and a pc |
| 09:13.50 | a_meteorite | it should be "server password" or "nickserv password" or "identify password". something along those lines. |
| 09:14.48 | DTRemenak | server password is something else entirely |
| 09:14.50 | sniper15 | nothing along those lines |
| 09:15.08 | DTRemenak | should specifically talk about nickserv or services |
| 09:15.19 | sniper15 | I'll look harder |
| 09:16.03 | a_meteorite | DTRemenak: colloquy calls it that and it works, but maybe not for x-chat :\ |
| 09:17.16 | DTRemenak | freenode may be running a smart enough ircd to automatically forward it to nickserv |
| 09:17.22 | DTRemenak | there are a few that do |
| 09:17.28 | sniper15 | network setup? |
| 09:19.00 | a_meteorite | DTRemenak: ah, probably because I stay mostly on freenode :) |
| 09:19.22 | sniper15 | lovely, his server's at the top of the list |
| 09:19.26 | sniper15 | still |
| 09:19.37 | DTRemenak | should have dropped off by now |
| 09:20.12 | sniper15 | 67.121.105.211? |
| 09:20.39 | DTRemenak | IP Address67.121.105.211unknownfoul language in server descriptionDTRemenak |
| 09:21.00 | sniper15 | you did it a while ago? |
| 09:21.03 | a_meteorite | sniper15: do you have a cached list? |
| 09:21.04 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 09:21.19 | sniper15 | no, I just refreshed |
| 09:21.24 | sniper15 | lemme check again |
| 09:21.42 | sniper15 | nope |
| 09:21.45 | sniper15 | still there |
| 09:21.57 | sniper15 | do you see it? |
| 09:23.02 | sniper15 | Nightmare is on #bzfx |
| 09:23.13 | DTRemenak | I don't see it in the list currently |
| 09:23.17 | a_meteorite | neither do I |
| 09:23.20 | DTRemenak | http://my.bzflag.org/db |
| 09:24.20 | sniper15 | it's gone, wierd, thanks to the all mightly (you) |
| 09:24.32 | sniper15 | I had to restart client |
| 09:36.21 | a_meteorite | should add a language filter to the list server, at the very least maybe get flagged for review if false positives are too high |
| 09:36.26 | a_meteorite | I know, patches welcome :) |
| 09:36.49 | a_meteorite | then again I'd venture this stuff doesn't happen too often |
| 09:37.16 | sniper15 | I would love that, Code it up ;) |
| 09:37.21 | a_meteorite | hehe |
| 09:37.57 | sniper15 | In my 1st ten post I ever made JeffM posted "Code it up" |
| 09:38.36 | a_meteorite | good old harsh Jeff ;) |
| 09:38.39 | a_meteorite | ~pw |
| 09:38.40 | ibot | [patches welcome] a common response by maintainers of Open Source products. It's roughly means "We don't have much time on our hands, so if you write that feature and send it to us we will likely roll it in. If you don't have the time to write it, we don't either. Stop asking for it." |
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| 10:06.39 | noyb_ | 67.121.105.211 wtf? |
| 10:06.50 | sniper15 | what? |
| 10:07.09 | noyb_ | nice server name, eh? |
| 10:07.13 | sniper15 | yes |
| 10:07.26 | noyb_ | ok, jus' checkin' |
| 10:07.28 | sniper15 | The name was very "colorful" |
| 10:07.38 | a_meteorite | it's been banned |
| 10:07.49 | a_meteorite | might need to refresh cache or restart bz |
| 10:07.57 | sniper15 | sk3's, he will have a new one |
| 10:08.21 | a_meteorite | I think he's had enough fun for the night :) |
| 10:08.27 | sniper15 | Hope so |
| 10:08.38 | sniper15 | wasn't fun for me |
| 10:08.58 | sniper15 | Also, wasn't expecting that |
| 10:09.20 | noyb_ | nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition... ;-) |
| 10:09.33 | sniper15 | yea |
| 10:10.28 | noyb_ | well, my condolences for the name server description. pity it had to be at the top for a while. |
| 10:10.38 | noyb_ | cya. |
| 10:10.51 | sniper15 | he was running bots |
| 10:11.07 | sniper15 | I was a local.admin, banned then 3 times ;) |
| 10:11.14 | sniper15 | them* |
| 10:20.47 | sniper15 | cya guys later. Thank you |
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| 10:48.39 | brlcad | a_meteorite: only temporarily |
| 10:50.02 | *** mode/#bzflag [+R] by brlcad |
| 10:50.08 | brlcad | few more days |
| 10:51.01 | randomparticle | i've tidied up the cylindrical hitzone code a great deal. starting to look hopeful now |
| 10:51.32 | randomparticle | initial tests *seem* to show it working more reliably than the old code |
| 10:53.05 | randomparticle | i also found some more oddities in the original checkHit |
| 10:53.38 | randomparticle | e.g., a boolean test that looks like it always evaluates as true |
| 10:53.49 | randomparticle | and a possible error in the returned position |
| 10:55.15 | randomparticle | this looks a bit weird: |
| 10:55.16 | randomparticle | / check if shot hits tank -- get position at time t, see if in radius |
| 10:55.17 | randomparticle | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:55.17 | randomparticle | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:55.17 | randomparticle | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:55.17 | randomparticle | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:55.17 | randomparticle | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:56.30 | randomparticle | if t is greater than zero, which it is, then we already know the closest position is within the radius |
| 11:00.45 | brlcad | i don't see how you know that |
| 11:01.28 | randomparticle | rayAtDistanceFromOrigin only returns a positive result (assigned to t) if there is a hit |
| 11:01.37 | randomparticle | and the hit must be within the radius |
| 11:02.07 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:02.59 | randomparticle | no, because rayAtDistanceFromOrigin can return a negative result |
| 11:03.38 | randomparticle | but it is positive because of the preceding test here: if (t < 0.0f || t > dt) continue; |
| 11:03.44 | brlcad | of course a "large enough" t will be within the radius, but that snippet doesn't know that |
| 11:04.18 | brlcad | okay, you're talking about some larger set of code, I'm talking about that particular snippet you pasted |
| 11:04.26 | randomparticle | yeah |
| 11:04.33 | brlcad | for that snippet, there's nothing wrong that I see |
| 11:04.39 | randomparticle | t is assigned by ratAtDistanceFromOrigin |
| 11:05.05 | randomparticle | rayAtDistanceFromOrigin either returns a negative value, or a positive value that is within the radius |
| 11:05.32 | randomparticle | so (ignoring narrow tanks for a moment), the test is unnecessary |
| 11:06.55 | randomparticle | this is possibly wrong: |
| 11:06.57 | randomparticle | position[0] = tankPos[0] + closestPos[0]; |
| 11:06.57 | randomparticle | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:06.57 | randomparticle | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:07.16 | brlcad | and it's possibly right, conjecture doesn't help :) |
| 11:07.38 | randomparticle | it doesn't take account of the fact that the ray is relative to the centre of the tank, and the tank's position is relative to its base |
| 11:07.58 | randomparticle | a bit more than conjecture, i think you'll find :) |
| 11:08.26 | brlcad | then you should be able to find a specific example that is more than "possibly wrong" |
| 11:12.56 | Manu | hugs brlcad |
| 11:12.59 | Manu | hi randomparticle :) |
| 11:13.07 | randomparticle | hi :) |
| 11:13.25 | randomparticle | just bunging a console->addMessage in to prove my hypothesis |
| 11:13.29 | randomparticle | one sec |
| 11:13.37 | Manu | randomparticle: working on your hit thingie? :) |
| 11:13.43 | randomparticle | yes |
| 11:14.11 | randomparticle | it's looking quite reliable now, but i'd appreciate someone else checking what i've done |
| 11:14.41 | randomparticle | the maths is simple, but the coding is a bit fiddly to get efficiency and the right categorization of cases |
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| 11:21.40 | brlcad | hugs Manu |
| 11:22.22 | randomparticle | does look like the position returned by checkHit is always wrong |
| 11:22.36 | randomparticle | it's off by half a tank's height |
| 11:23.57 | brlcad | kicks CIA-66 |
| 11:23.57 | CIA-66 | ow |
| 11:24.09 | randomparticle | e.g., i shot myself on the ground. the position of the hit assigned had a Z value of 0.545 |
| 11:24.51 | randomparticle | but the muzzle height was 1.57 |
| 11:25.34 | brlcad | what's the tank height? |
| 11:25.38 | randomparticle | 2.05 |
| 11:26.06 | brlcad | so gravity does kill |
| 11:26.12 | randomparticle | :) |
| 11:26.32 | randomparticle | 0.545 = (1.57 - 2.05/2) |
| 11:27.34 | brlcad | sounds like one bit of code assuming mussle is at 1.025 and another not |
| 11:28.01 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r19301 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/SegmentedShotStrategy.cxx: consistency cleanup |
| 11:28.23 | randomparticle | the ray is relative to centre: lastTankPositionRaw[2] = tankLastMotionRaw.getOrigin()[2] + 0.5f * tankHeight; |
| 11:28.35 | randomparticle | it's the 0.5f in there that ensures that |
| 11:28.55 | randomparticle | but the later calculation does haven't that half-tank adjustement |
| 11:28.59 | randomparticle | *adjustment |
| 11:29.07 | randomparticle | *doesn't (grr) |
| 11:32.48 | randomparticle | how clever is the gnu compiler's optimization? |
| 11:33.30 | randomparticle | i find myself fine tuning things not knowing whether the compiler can do that by itself |
| 11:35.00 | brlcad | it depends |
| 11:35.34 | tupone | ls |
| 11:35.45 | tupone | ww |
| 11:36.27 | brlcad | I/O Error |
| 11:36.27 | Manu | command not found |
| 11:36.38 | tupone | :) |
| 11:36.41 | Manu | :) |
| 11:36.49 | Manu | password: |
| 11:37.12 | brlcad | 1234567890 |
| 11:37.47 | tupone | new password |
| 11:39.31 | a_meteorite | kudos if you enter that at on Friday the 13th at 3:31:30 |
| 11:40.34 | Chestal | a little > 300000 to go! |
| 11:41.05 | Manu | brlcad: that's a common password ;) |
| 11:41.17 | Manu | you are using my root one ;) |
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| 12:15.07 | mmu_man | plop |
| 12:15.17 | mmu_man | hi |
| 12:15.29 | mmu_man | do you plan on participating in GSoC this year ? |
| 12:39.08 | short_circuit | The powers that be are considering that question still.. BZFlag may opt out of GSoC for 09. |
| 12:39.24 | short_circuit | May have to wait a while to get a solid answer on that query. |
| 12:42.25 | spldart | To the above conversation. 'qwerty' is always a popular password too ;) |
| 12:47.32 | mmu_man | "And don't forget God! Sysadmins love to use 'God'!" |
| 12:47.36 | mmu_man | (Hackers) |
| 12:47.59 | spldart | Ah |
| 12:48.54 | Manu | admin is another good one :) |
| 12:49.14 | spldart | Since some routers default to that 8-0 |
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| 13:05.04 | mmu_man | spldart well, I was thinking maybe we could share a task |
| 13:05.09 | mmu_man | cf. http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/GoogleSummerOfCodeIdeas |
| 13:05.25 | mmu_man | I didn't touch the BeOS port for a while |
| 13:05.40 | mmu_man | though we don't have hw GL yet |
| 13:06.07 | mmu_man | IIRC last time it wanted cURL |
| 13:06.19 | mmu_man | which we actually have a port of, but I was too lazy to retry |
| 13:07.04 | spldart | Welp. The senior dev's last year were JeffM and brlcad. See if you can catch them and run any ideas for the gsoc past 'em. I was only a jr mentor last year. I have no control over the project. Just contribute a little. |
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| 14:41.02 | biggeruniverse | work is fun |
| 14:41.19 | RatOmeter | was going to tell him "work loves you" |
| 14:41.23 | RatOmeter | but he left |
| 14:41.28 | biggeruniverse | he would |
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| 14:59.03 | brlcad | hey mmu_man, ltns |
| 15:01.00 | mmu_man | yep |
| 15:01.09 | mmu_man | 'up? |
| 15:01.11 | brlcad | mmu_man: it's an interesting idea for sure, but we are still talking about if, how, and how much we will participate. collaboration, though, is a fantastic idea |
| 15:02.25 | brlcad | way that task could be turned into a nice-size gsoc project would be to have them get the sdl platform working under haiku -- it'd be a haiku-sdl-bzflag triple play |
| 15:04.39 | brlcad | updating (and completely finishing) what you started could be expanded to fill gsoc timeframe too I bet simply because much of head had changed considerably and would require re-porting |
| 15:05.17 | mmu_man | we already have SDL from the BeOS port |
| 15:05.25 | mmu_man | it could probably be updated though |
| 15:05.35 | mmu_man | and SDL probably doesn't work well with GL |
| 15:05.37 | brlcad | that's a binary, no? |
| 15:05.53 | brlcad | from r5 days |
| 15:05.54 | mmu_man | the patches has been contributed back AFAIK |
| 15:05.59 | brlcad | hm |
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| 15:06.09 | brlcad | that has to be out of date too |
| 15:06.21 | mmu_man | you dropped the C++ toolkit ? |
| 15:06.26 | mmu_man | SDL is slooow in BeOS |
| 15:06.41 | mmu_man | bz used to have native BeOS support |
| 15:07.05 | menotume | SDL has bindings to PHP ? weird |
| 15:07.17 | mmu_man | I knew it had to perl |
| 15:07.23 | mmu_man | (Frozen Bubble uses it) |
| 15:07.28 | menotume | ahh |
| 15:07.49 | brlcad | mmu_man: the native interfaces are still there though several platforms now use sdl by default as it has consolidated maintenance (with no performance impact) |
| 15:08.02 | brlcad | mac, linux, bsd use it |
| 15:08.16 | brlcad | windows 'can' use it but I think it still shipped native |
| 15:08.45 | brlcad | the beos support is still there though just as you left them plus some minor updates as the api has changed |
| 15:09.08 | mmu_man | ok |
| 15:09.13 | brlcad | but fixing the speed problems could be part of the haiku port |
| 15:09.17 | mmu_man | right |
| 15:09.57 | brlcad | heck, with the right snag, one could spend all summer just trying to port one of our new dependencies, which we do have a handful of now |
| 15:10.41 | brlcad | libcurl, c-ares, freetype, ftgl, lua come to mind |
| 15:11.02 | brlcad | the others should work out of the box, but those might need some massaging |
| 15:11.48 | brlcad | freetype maybe being the hard one |
| 15:13.23 | BulletCatcher | Speaking of which, FreeType 2.3.8 is out. brlcad, could you review the changelog to see if we care? http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?group_id=3157&release_id=653641 |
| 15:13.42 | BulletCatcher | When you have time. |
| 15:13.48 | brlcad | ours works, I'm content saying we don't care until a reason presents itself :) |
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| 15:14.51 | brlcad | someone could try the update to see if it fixes the crash-on-exit bug |
| 15:15.06 | brlcad | if that update fixes it, that'd certainly be worth it then |
| 15:15.25 | BulletCatcher | I'll do that, then. I have that problem on my Mac. |
| 15:19.48 | mmu_man | we do have cURL (NetSurf uses it) |
| 15:19.57 | BulletCatcher | Yes. |
| 15:20.03 | mmu_man | we use FreeType internally in Haiku, so we have it |
| 15:20.12 | brlcad | cool |
| 15:20.28 | brlcad | ftgl should be simple then as it sits on top of freetype |
| 15:20.42 | mmu_man | I think there is an lua port (BeOS Dano0 used LUA to implement the windows decorator behaviour (click here = close...) |
| 15:20.43 | brlcad | and lua is probably trivial |
| 15:20.51 | mmu_man | duno about ftgl |
| 15:21.15 | brlcad | if you have opengl and freetype, ftgl is trivial |
| 15:21.34 | brlcad | it just renders freetype fonts to opengl contexts in a really simple fashion |
| 15:23.15 | mmu_man | ok |
| 15:24.39 | brlcad | mmu_man: one thing we've talked about for this year if we participate is to only allow projects that are refactoring/bug fix/production-quality release preparations -- specifically "no new code" so we can focus on just making things stable and clean for a release |
| 15:25.24 | mmu_man | we also target R1/alpha |
| 15:25.48 | brlcad | port to haiku is somewhere on the fence there -- I see it as cleanup myself (or at least potential for it) in terms of portability and platform bug fixing, but the scope would have to be contained to make sure it wasn't "new code" |
| 15:26.09 | brlcad | r1/alpha? |
| 15:26.16 | mmu_man | of Haiku |
| 15:26.17 | brlcad | ooooh |
| 15:26.19 | brlcad | right |
| 15:26.22 | brlcad | awesome |
| 15:26.44 | brlcad | you guys were talking about that last year too.. :-) |
| 15:26.54 | brlcad | yay for multiple projects with delayed releases |
| 15:27.34 | mmu_man | right :) |
| 15:27.48 | brlcad | mmu_man: so has anyone gotten gcc reported into haiku? |
| 15:28.02 | mmu_man | well we can use gcc4 too |
| 15:28.23 | brlcad | and that breaks compat with beos, right? |
| 15:28.25 | mmu_man | lots of must-haves require it |
| 15:28.26 | mmu_man | yep |
| 15:28.33 | mmu_man | but we can build an hybrid version with both libs |
| 15:28.42 | mmu_man | at least for R1 |
| 15:28.58 | mmu_man | then we'll break apart |
| 15:29.21 | mmu_man | (firefox, cairo, webkit, ffmpeg...) |
| 15:29.28 | brlcad | last time I was talking to .. don't remember his name .. there were problems bootstrapping gcc *in* haiku without having a beos box nearby |
| 15:29.42 | brlcad | has that changed? |
| 15:29.47 | mmu_man | we have a native gcc4 now |
| 15:30.12 | brlcad | cool |
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| 16:11.09 | biggeruniverse | >.> |
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| 17:01.09 | biggeruniverse | reboot! |
| 17:02.25 | biggeruniverse | sigh |
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| 17:04.43 | biggeruniverse | the server ought to play the game |
| 17:05.02 | biggeruniverse | it bugs me no end |
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| 17:31.36 | Winny | nvm, he left |
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| 17:32.49 | spldart | Winny: Lemme guess. 124.217.230.49 dude |
| 17:32.57 | spldart | heh |
| 17:33.00 | Winny | mm hmm |
| 17:34.05 | blast007 | hmm, guess that one is already banned here |
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| 19:01.05 | biggeruniverse | what is jbzadmin? |
| 19:01.57 | temp_work | it's a java based replacement for bzadmin |
| 19:02.04 | temp_work | not done enough for release yet |
| 19:02.19 | biggeruniverse | sigh |
| 19:02.28 | biggeruniverse | I guess that's why I can't find it on the intertubes |
| 19:02.41 | temp_work | maybe in the next month or so |
| 19:02.51 | temp_work | the dev is doing other things too :) |
| 19:03.02 | biggeruniverse | I've been programming for 14 years |
| 19:03.13 | biggeruniverse | I've heard "maybe soon" innumerable times |
| 19:03.17 | RatOmeter | man, you should take a break |
| 19:03.25 | temp_work | hehe |
| 19:03.53 | biggeruniverse | I will when I do |
| 19:04.05 | temp_work | sleep when you are dead, right? |
| 19:04.16 | biggeruniverse | yes, something to that effect |
| 19:06.03 | RatOmeter | got his first programming job in 1986... Z80 assembly language :) |
| 19:08.34 | biggeruniverse | thinks ratometer is old |
| 19:10.00 | RatOmeter | knows he is |
| 19:10.53 | spldart | I went pro in electronics the same year ;) |
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| 19:16.12 | RatOmeter | it's an old geezer's club. |
| 19:16.42 | biggeruniverse | we should revitalize it! |
| 19:17.01 | biggeruniverse | bring in the multi-colored backgammon boards! |
| 19:18.04 | spldart | yeesh ;) |
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| 19:59.39 | randomparticle | Some experimental results |
| 19:59.44 | randomparticle | With original hit detection: |
| 19:59.44 | randomparticle | Frames per second max. tank elevation hits |
| 19:59.45 | randomparticle | 15 Z 3.407011 394 |
| 19:59.45 | randomparticle | 30 Z 2.631972 329 |
| 19:59.45 | randomparticle | 60 Z 1.971943 209 |
| 19:59.46 | randomparticle | 120 Z 1.830598 164 |
| 19:59.47 | randomparticle | 240 Z 1.651825 156 |
| 19:59.49 | randomparticle | 480 Z 1.620000 154 |
| 19:59.51 | randomparticle | With corrected hit detection: |
| 19:59.53 | randomparticle | Frames per second max. tank elevation hits |
| 19:59.55 | randomparticle | 15 Z 1.570000 220 |
| 19:59.57 | randomparticle | 30 Z 1.570000 224 |
| 19:59.59 | randomparticle | 60 Z 1.570000 188 |
| 20:00.01 | randomparticle | 120 Z 1.570000 188 |
| 20:00.03 | randomparticle | 240 Z 1.570000 187 |
| 20:00.05 | randomparticle | 480 Z 1.570000 184 |
| 20:00.23 | randomparticle | framerate has much less impact on hit rate now |
| 20:00.41 | blast007 | ~bzpastebin |
| 20:00.41 | ibot | bzpastebin is probably http://pastebin.bzflag.bz or a place to put large chunks of text so as not to flood a channel |
| 20:00.43 | biggeruniverse | no wonder I suck! |
| 20:00.43 | blast007 | :P |
| 20:00.49 | randomparticle | ok |
| 20:01.02 | biggeruniverse | my framerate was too high! |
| 20:01.20 | randomparticle | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m3cec61bc |
| 20:01.43 | blast007 | randomparticle: sorta beyond the point of the pastebin helping, now that you've already flooded it to the channel... |
| 20:01.45 | biggeruniverse | in fact from 30 to 60 there's a pretty big gap |
| 20:01.54 | randomparticle | for future reference :) |
| 20:02.15 | randomparticle | yes, 57% increase in chance of being hit at 30fps compared to 60fps |
| 20:02.29 | randomparticle | in the test scenario, of course |
| 20:02.52 | randomparticle | with the corrected code there remains a smaller framerate effect |
| 20:03.45 | randomparticle | i suspect that is due to the poor numerical approximation at low fps of takeoff and landing |
| 20:03.55 | biggeruniverse | hmm |
| 20:08.41 | blast007 | what did you have to fix to make it work better? |
| 20:09.22 | Winny | blast007: switch to mac |
| 20:09.23 | Winny | ducks |
| 20:09.32 | blast007 | Winny: that would make it worse |
| 20:10.29 | randomparticle | i've changed a small section of checkHit in SegmentedShotStrategy.cxx and added a new function timeRayHitsCylinder to Intersect.cxx |
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| 20:11.06 | randomparticle | the cylinder fits inside the tank bounding box, unlike the sphere that was used before |
| 20:12.13 | randomparticle | this is the new function: http://pastebin.ca/1332629 |
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| 20:28.03 | brlcad | randomparticle: can you test with 2000+ fps? |
| 20:28.20 | brlcad | turn the settings way down |
| 20:28.35 | blast007 | heh |
| 20:29.29 | randomparticle | hmm.. :) |
| 20:29.39 | blast007 | (turning some stuff down too low can actually make the FPS lower) |
| 20:30.25 | blast007 | I might be able to get 2000FPS. I can do about 800 on a simple map @ 1920x1200. Could try it at 320x240 ;) |
| 20:32.55 | randomparticle | hmm.. just tried a low res setting with textures etc off |
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| 20:33.16 | randomparticle | strangely doesn't make much difference. about 1200fps as normal (without the energy saver) |
| 20:33.20 | TJ13820 | What is the smallest operable OS bzflag will run on? |
| 20:33.26 | randomparticle | perhaps it's cpu bound |
| 20:34.03 | TheRedBaron | what's your CPU clock speed ? |
| 20:34.11 | randomparticle | 2.8 |
| 20:34.58 | biggeruniverse | TJ13820: any os that has the libraries that bzflag requires |
| 20:46.07 | blast007 | randomparticle: tried turning the radar, chat panel, and GUI off? |
| 20:46.17 | blast007 | /localset noGUI 1 |
| 20:47.04 | blast007 | and yeah, at some point it'll be CPU bound |
| 20:49.52 | blast007 | TJ13820: do you have some more details? |
| 20:50.29 | TJ13820 | blast007: about what? |
| 20:51.16 | blast007 | "What is the smallest operable OS bzflag will run on?" |
| 20:52.01 | blast007 | are you meaning what version of an OS? a specific distro? a certain CPU speed? RAM? |
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| 20:52.38 | TJ13820_ | oops |
| 20:53.02 | TJ13820_ | sorry! i have a pm blocker :) you can PM me now |
| 20:53.06 | blast007 | heh |
| 20:53.13 | TJ13820_ | like that eh? |
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| 21:06.00 | biggeruniverse | it's batman! |
| 21:06.36 | biggeruniverse | under a sekret identity of Guest95954 |
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| 21:07.01 | TJ13820 | rawr. |
| 21:07.11 | TJ13820 | Conflicting network configs |
| 21:07.31 | biggeruniverse | are you batman? |
| 21:07.59 | TJ13820 | i am on WyldRyde |
| 21:08.01 | TJ13820 | :) |
| 21:08.20 | TJ13820 | and my channel is #batcave |
| 21:08.22 | TJ13820 | lol |
| 21:09.48 | me1 | Tj13820, 'scott' owns #batcave |
| 21:10.07 | TJ13820 | i'm not talking about this network :P |
| 21:12.56 | me1 | I just found out there is a 'me1' on quakenet |
| 21:12.58 | me1 | interesting |
| 21:13.03 | TJ13820 | heh |
| 21:13.21 | TJ13820 | might know him :x |
| 21:13.28 | me1 | it's a bot, nub |
| 21:13.56 | me1 | 'uzhas', know him? |
| 21:13.57 | TJ13820 | :P didn't say i was telling the truth :P |
| 21:14.12 | TJ13820 | i've never had a reason to go on quakenet |
| 21:14.17 | me1 | heh |
| 21:14.38 | TJ13820 | just freenode, wyldryde, coldfront, dalnet, and 6/7 others |
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| 23:32.35 | Yassen | I was wondering: why are some v3.0 API functions proceded by _V1 ? |
| 23:32.51 | Yassen | err...events that is. |
| 23:36.53 | brad | version 1? |
| 23:37.20 | brad | incase they need to modify it without breaking plugins, presumably |
| 23:37.48 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03Yassen 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5447 10/w/Functions%28API%29: /* Non-Player Connections */ Update to v3.0 |
| 23:41.45 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03Yassen 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5448 10/w/Functions%28API%29: /* Chat Messages */ Update to r19301 |
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| 23:44.52 | spldart | Jeff out of town or som-fin? |
| 23:52.37 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03Yassen 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5449 10/w/Bz_localTime: Update |
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| 23:55.19 | spldart | I believe sportchick and erroneous had a query for you jeff :) |
| 23:55.25 | spldart | or maybe it was a statement |
| 23:55.30 | spldart | DOH~ |
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