| 00:02.52 | JefferyM | if we have the log I can't actualy see any reason to store non reged users in the players table at all |
| 00:03.01 | JefferyM | if we decide to do that later, we can pull it from the history |
| 00:03.24 | JefferyM | any admin queries for non reged abbusers will happen on the log table anyway |
| 00:03.29 | JefferyM | and be a rare thing |
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| 00:57.21 | leeguy92 | heh, red tanks are having a party: http://imagebin.org/37166 |
| 00:57.21 | leeguy92 | it's nice to have something to look at whilst coding, i find. |
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| 01:31.10 | delusional_ | Is it just me, or the number's on this page 5 to 10 points lower than they were a month ago, across the board? http://www.internetpulse.net/Main.aspx?Metric=TCP |
| 01:33.06 | delusional_ | 50+'s are rare... I don't ever remember seeing that, before today |
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| 02:08.38 | spldart | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m27742883 |
| 02:09.17 | trepan | *** No rule to make target `src/lapi.c', needed by `lapi.lo'. Stop. |
| 02:09.22 | trepan | make distclean; etc... |
| 02:09.32 | trepan | or you could try the sed i've posted here about that one |
| 02:10.25 | trepan | *sed trick |
| 02:10.43 | spldart | That was after. $make dist-clean, $./autogen.sh, $./configure enable-debug, $nice make |
| 02:10.47 | spldart | Oops |
| 02:11.03 | spldart | there was an $svn up at the beginning |
| 02:11.04 | spldart | hehe |
| 02:11.39 | trepan | cd src/other/lua/.deps; sed -i 's/\.c/.cxx/' * |
| 02:11.44 | trepan | ... or something like that :) |
| 02:13.47 | ts | trepan: I read you made a custom HIX variant. Could you please put it online or point me to a download? |
| 02:14.05 | trepan | you heard wrong, sort of |
| 02:14.22 | trepan | the map is the same, the lua script overrides the engine rendering |
| 02:15.01 | ts | Does that mean I only need the script? |
| 02:15.06 | trepan | yup |
| 02:15.14 | ts | Where is it? :) |
| 02:15.18 | trepan | once done, it will work on any map |
| 02:15.30 | trepan | i've put it on hold until i get some other stuff done |
| 02:15.50 | ts | Hrm, ok. |
| 02:26.59 | spldart | So I converted a file(s) from a .c suffix to .cxx suffix and now my build is continuing much further? |
| 02:27.34 | JeffM | spldart: you had temp files that were refrencing the old names |
| 02:27.45 | spldart | really |
| 02:27.57 | JeffM | really |
| 02:28.00 | spldart | So a fresh checkout would have also corrected? |
| 02:28.03 | JeffM | yes |
| 02:28.21 | spldart | Is that something that dist clean should have taken care of? |
| 02:28.26 | JeffM | probably |
| 02:28.30 | JeffM | or at least make clean |
| 02:28.38 | spldart | ah |
| 02:28.40 | spldart | Ok |
| 02:28.48 | spldart | I understand the nature of the problem then :) |
| 02:28.52 | spldart | Thankies |
| 02:31.05 | spldart | Hrm.. I wonder if I got the whole dist-clean from somewhere else and am unintentionally using it on bzflag's project. Is 'make clean' more appropriate? |
| 02:31.24 | spldart | Silly syntax |
| 02:32.33 | trepan | grep dist Makefile | grep clean |
| 02:32.44 | trepan | it's distclean, not dist-clean |
| 02:33.09 | spldart | goes back to looking for a purchase of the 6 in a 6.1 speaker system.. Just picked up a Onkyo Tx-lr552 today |
| 02:33.12 | spldart | Ah |
| 02:33.48 | spldart | I was lulled into a false sense of distclean by the fact that the make did some text scrolling in my terminal hehe. |
| 02:34.18 | spldart | Already have a nice hand built powered sub. |
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| 02:37.42 | spldart | Yep. Success on that build. Thanks trepan for that little cut and paste. |
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| 03:28.42 | leeguy92 | hmm....how did u do that |
| 03:28.59 | leeguy92 | oop, wrong room. sry |
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| 04:05.38 | Guest20835 | is there a way to grep a server recording and count how many shot packets happened during it |
| 04:09.26 | spldart | gosh pooping strangleholds on markets. |
| 04:14.46 | nn_main_2 | is there a way to find the most active part of a recording |
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| 04:52.52 | joevano | nn_main_2: by watching it ;) |
| 05:03.53 | trepan | you can compile misc/rrlog.cxx |
| 05:04.14 | trepan | it gives you a tool the can view recording packets |
| 05:09.07 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/bzmodsel.jpg -- it's a start ;-) click to toggle applets |
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| 05:13.23 | jcp | ~ping |
| 05:13.24 | ibot | ~pong |
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| 06:19.05 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19290 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: * fixed a typo (updatePostions -> updatePositions) |
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| 08:50.34 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19291 10/trunk/bzflag/src/ (lua/LuaHandle.cxx ogl/OpenGLPassState.cxx): |
| 08:50.34 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: * added the global lua 'CALLIN_ERROR' to notify the script of previous errors |
| 08:50.34 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: (this can also be accomplished by wrapping all call-in functions with pcall()) |
| 08:50.34 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: * tweaked the DrawScreen() call-in lighting setup |
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| 10:02.40 | TkTech_ | What was the URL to the plain-text serverlist output? |
| 10:06.06 | Manu | TkTech_: http://my.bzflag.org/db/ |
| 10:06.20 | TkTech_ | Ah, many thanks |
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| 15:02.28 | leeguy92 | google ded :( |
| 15:02.38 | TkTech | Its amazing |
| 15:02.42 | TkTech | how fast this is spreading |
| 15:02.43 | TkTech | lol |
| 15:02.46 | leeguy92 | yea |
| 15:03.13 | TkTech | the hell gMail loging me into web history for? |
| 15:03.52 | leeguy92 | as i said, maybe steve ballmer finally killed google - he said he would |
| 15:03.59 | leeguy92 | he says a lot of things |
| 15:04.56 | leeguy92 | he also said he did it before(i no rememebrz tat) |
| 15:05.05 | TkTech | lol, I keep hearing wild things |
| 15:05.16 | TkTech | like google overflowed an int somewhere critical, lol |
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| 15:15.09 | leeguy92 | http://imagebin.org/37185 |
| 15:15.44 | leeguy92 | apparently everything is goin crazy, including Apps |
| 15:17.22 | TkTech | leeguy o: |
| 15:17.23 | TkTech | ZOMG |
| 15:17.31 | TkTech | Someone whose in both #osdev and #bzflag? |
| 15:17.33 | TkTech | H4x? |
| 15:17.50 | leeguy92 | you and me are in both |
| 15:18.10 | TkTech | I am aware of my present locations xD |
| 15:18.34 | leeguy92 | so u should be |
| 15:18.53 | leeguy92 | ;) |
| 15:20.15 | leeguy92 | somebody gonna be writing a new entry in uncyclopedia methinks. about when steve ballmer got his wish. |
| 15:20.21 | TkTech | fix'd |
| 15:21.07 | leeguy92 | aww.. <was hopin for apocalypse>:( |
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| 19:22.44 | spldart | Error 2 error BK1513 : nonincremental update requires all .SBR filesBSCMAKE |
| 19:23.01 | spldart | ;-) off the error tab 8-D |
| 19:23.20 | spldart | couple warnings too |
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| 19:27.23 | brlcad | fg |
| 19:28.15 | JeffM | rebuild all |
| 19:31.20 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19292 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: * don't block mouse events when the menu is active |
| 19:32.54 | Winny | ~trepan++ |
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| 19:35.12 | trepan | i don't think that that does what you think it does |
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| 20:02.39 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03Learner 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5337 10/w/Main_Page: update the gsoc section to past tense (testing snazzy new cia notifier) |
| 20:03.10 | brlcad | woot! |
| 20:05.30 | brlcad | mm, that took 8 hours from start to finish |
| 20:11.25 | Winny | lol |
| 20:11.28 | spldart | odd how more rebuild all's in vc9 and fresh checkouts in linux are necessary lately. I'll assume that means larger strides are being made than ususual :) |
| 20:14.31 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 0398.218.53.50 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5338 10/w/BZFlag_Source: test of anonymous commits |
| 20:15.24 | Winny | clicks on IP over and over and DoSes brlcad |
| 20:16.28 | brlcad | no skin off my back |
| 20:17.54 | spldart | pretends to be one of Winny's bots |
| 20:18.15 | spldart | *malformed packet* *malformed packet* *malformed packet* *malformed packet* |
| 20:22.39 | MindstormsKid | XD |
| 20:34.30 | joevano | ~brlcad++ |
| 20:34.38 | joevano | quite nice |
| 20:47.18 | blast007 | brlcad: wouldn't that be better under "BZFlag-Wiki" instead of "BZFlag"? neat though :) |
| 20:50.44 | brlcad | that would imply an entirely separate project on cia.vc |
| 20:50.52 | brlcad | s/imply/require/ |
| 20:50.56 | blast007 | k |
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| 21:09.26 | joevano | brlcad: so is CIA just listening to the RSS feed and posting portions here? |
| 21:11.41 | brlcad | joevano: nope |
| 21:12.08 | brlcad | I wrote a proper mediawiki extension that sends in a 'commit' just like svn and company |
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| 21:20.23 | blast007 | sweet |
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| 22:07.12 | spldart | ctrl+alt+f7 ftw |
| 22:07.55 | nn_main_2 | hi |
| 22:07.58 | nn_main_2 | all |
| 22:08.11 | nn_main_2 | is there a way to play remote sounds ? |
| 22:08.35 | nn_main_2 | or basically put a audio file into a map so it down loads on start of loading |
| 22:09.06 | spldart | I believe the answer is conclusive no at current release. |
| 22:09.37 | nn_main_2 | spldart, than what is the code sitting around for that says play remote sounds |
| 22:09.39 | nn_main_2 | ??? |
| 22:10.03 | Winny | if you think it can be done you're welcome to try :) |
| 22:10.13 | Winny | otherwise I would suggest listening to spldart |
| 22:10.50 | nn_main_2 | Winny, there is a option in the audio menu that says "Remote sounds" what is that refering to |
| 22:11.07 | JeffM | you can play sounds with a plugin |
| 22:11.13 | Winny | Sounds from other tanks, I am fairly ertain |
| 22:11.30 | JeffM | Winny: nope |
| 22:11.33 | nn_main_2 | JeffM, explane ? |
| 22:11.48 | JeffM | nn-main: no |
| 22:12.22 | nn_main_2 | JeffM, so your saying that there is a plugin that can play sounds ? |
| 22:12.36 | nn_main_2 | or remote sounds ? |
| 22:12.54 | JeffM | there is not a pluging that can play sounds |
| 22:13.19 | nn_main_2 | :( |
| 22:13.23 | SpazzyMcGee | The play history tracker can play sounds...? |
| 22:13.35 | SpazzyMcGee | But the client needs the sound in the data directory. |
| 22:13.35 | JeffM | it used to |
| 22:13.37 | JeffM | it's buggy |
| 22:13.38 | JeffM | yeah |
| 22:13.59 | SpazzyMcGee | And I believe it crashes clients below 2.0.8? |
| 22:14.03 | SpazzyMcGee | something like that |
| 22:14.03 | nn_main_2 | it would be soo cool if i could actually make background music for certian maps |
| 22:14.11 | SpazzyMcGee | god, that would be annoyinh |
| 22:14.14 | SpazzyMcGee | *annoying |
| 22:14.41 | JeffM | nn-main: we do not support 1) a remote sound |
| 22:14.45 | JeffM | and 2) compressed sounds |
| 22:14.50 | JeffM | so no you can not play music |
| 22:14.59 | nn_main_2 | ok :( |
| 22:15.09 | Winny | background music on maps is as bad as websites that play music without asking |
| 22:15.43 | Winny | most people have their own music anyways |
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| 22:16.51 | SpazzyMcGee | That said, it would be quite cool to be able to import short wav sounds and play them with a plugin |
| 22:16.51 | nn_main_2 | winny what I had in mind was like small boxes with a music texture in the coners of the map so each tank if they wanted all they would have to jump on one of thoes cubes to play pieces of music |
| 22:16.56 | Think_Differentl | why not just have a command to play music? |
| 22:17.07 | Winny | uh |
| 22:17.10 | nn_main_2 | Think_Differentl, that to |
| 22:17.21 | Winny | that sort of defeats the purpose |
| 22:17.52 | nn_main_2 | Winny, what purpose |
| 22:19.52 | nn-main | because I thought it would be soo cool to play this in one of the maps : http://remix.userbin.net/remix1/Starfox_Godspeed_OC_ReMix.mp3 |
| 22:20.37 | JeffM | you have rights to broadcast that? |
| 22:20.57 | Winny | most people have their own music... don't really want other stuff mucking in the background with it |
| 22:21.02 | nn-main | JeffM, I think its GPL |
| 22:21.13 | JeffM | the starfox theme is not |
| 22:21.15 | nn-main | JeffM, I would have to dubble chek |
| 22:23.26 | Winny | JeffM brings up another good point... people would need to find creative commons, GPL, etc licensed music, or write their own |
| 22:23.41 | Winny | and it would be very difficult to verify the music that is being distributed |
| 22:23.57 | Winny | never even thought of that |
| 22:24.26 | ruskie | http://www.jamendo.com |
| 22:24.29 | ruskie | plenty of music there |
| 22:25.42 | Think_Differentl | I'm thinking of music (not really music, sounds more like) for plugins. |
| 22:25.42 | JeffM | 2.0.x can't download sounds |
| 22:25.42 | JeffM | or play compressed (MP3) sounds |
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| 22:26.40 | nn-main | http://www.ocremix.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-9730.html |
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| 22:27.18 | jcp | has anyone found out more info about that bug that's messing up mac systems on 2.0.10? It's driving me nuts... |
| 22:28.09 | Winny | jcp: can you be more specific? |
| 22:28.16 | jcp | For that matter, is there any magic number 21 in the code? |
| 22:28.50 | jcp | It seems to be 21... |
| 22:29.06 | nn_main_2 | whats up with the bzadmin bug though |
| 22:29.08 | nn_main_2 | ? |
| 22:29.15 | jcp | I've had a few people tell me (and I've seen it too) that on mac machines, they jump to 21 instead of 18 |
| 22:29.22 | jcp | on 2.0.10 |
| 22:29.35 | trepan | ya, level 21 is a tuff one, nasty boss |
| 22:29.38 | nn_main_2 | Everytime bzadmin gets run it eats all cpu after about 3 houres of runing |
| 22:29.39 | jcp | And a few of them have been banned for cheating because of it |
| 22:30.00 | Think_Differentl | sounds like a nice way to play blackjack' |
| 22:30.17 | jcp | nn_main_2: btw, was that you I saw on bzflagr? |
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| 22:30.56 | jcp | and I can't figure out why you would jump to 21 instead of 18, but it's been more than one person |
| 22:31.17 | Winny | jcp: and you've verified they don't have hacked clients? |
| 22:31.27 | jcp | They could |
| 22:31.30 | nn_main_2 | jcp yes it was |
| 22:31.32 | jcp | but seeing as it's more than one person |
| 22:31.35 | jcp | cool |
| 22:31.47 | Winny | jcp: more then one person can't run the same mod? |
| 22:32.01 | jcp | Winny: I'm not ruling out the posibility of a cheat client |
| 22:32.30 | jcp | but I'm saying it's not that likely |
| 22:32.51 | jcp | Or at least not as likely as if it wasn't an established player telling me the problem |
| 22:32.57 | jcp | I should get a mac |
| 22:32.59 | jcp | though |
| 22:33.01 | jcp | and test it out |
| 22:33.24 | blast007 | nn_main_2: bzadmin eats up 100% cpu if it loses the connection to the server |
| 22:33.31 | blast007 | like, if bzfs crashes, for example |
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| 22:33.39 | jcp | Why would it do that |
| 22:33.46 | blast007 | because it does |
| 22:33.51 | jcp | No duh |
| 22:33.54 | jcp | Why does it does? |
| 22:34.05 | blast007 | infinite loop |
| 22:34.14 | jcp | hmm |
| 22:34.18 | jcp | Is that being fixed in 3.0? |
| 22:34.20 | Winny | patches welcome ;) |
| 22:34.28 | jcp | :) |
| 22:34.36 | blast007 | jcp: bzadmin is horribly broken in trunk code right now |
| 22:34.37 | jcp | well, seeing as my last change broke a lot of the system... |
| 22:34.52 | blast007 | I mean, it *runs* and connects, but no names show up, and other issues like that |
| 22:34.54 | jcp | I'm not terifically excited about contributing a new patch |
| 22:34.58 | jcp | whoa |
| 22:34.59 | blast007 | why? |
| 22:35.09 | jcp | because it seems like I'm always breaking things |
| 22:35.13 | JeffM | then you'll have to wait for the code gnomes to fix it |
| 22:35.13 | blast007 | uh |
| 22:35.23 | blast007 | you would be patching it. |
| 22:35.26 | jcp | which reminds me, is there yet an estimate for when 3.0 is coming out? |
| 22:35.31 | blast007 | oh, you mean directly commiting, nvm |
| 22:35.38 | jcp | Right |
| 22:35.46 | jcp | I decided that I'm going to learn c++ more before I contribute more |
| 22:36.29 | jcp | I know that "it's out when it's out", but is that going to be in 2009 (possibly) or later than that (possibly)? |
| 22:36.46 | JeffM | it'll be released when it's released |
| 22:37.12 | jcp | erg |
| 22:37.18 | blast007 | 2012! |
| 22:37.22 | JeffM | we don't do plans or release dates |
| 22:37.23 | jcp | ok, a more general question... |
| 22:37.30 | JeffM | blast007: only if palin wins |
| 22:37.34 | blast007 | JeffM: heh |
| 22:37.46 | jcp | ok, let me rephrase my question this way: is there a *chance* that it would be ready for release in 2009? |
| 22:37.49 | blast007 | I was hoping the world would implode, and then we wouldn't have to release ;) |
| 22:37.58 | JeffM | jcp there is chance in anything |
| 22:38.03 | jcp | bangs his head against a wall |
| 22:38.05 | blast007 | rolls the dice |
| 22:38.06 | JeffM | I would hope it is released this year |
| 22:38.15 | JeffM | you don't know how the project works do you? |
| 22:38.17 | jcp | ok, that helps |
| 22:38.21 | jcp | Not really |
| 22:38.31 | JeffM | stuff happens when someone makes it happen |
| 22:38.41 | JeffM | we dont' do assignments, or plans |
| 22:38.54 | jcp | So releasing is pretty much dependent on when someone has time? |
| 22:38.56 | menotume | waves his magic wand and delcares that 3.0 is released ! |
| 22:39.03 | JeffM | and if the software is ready |
| 22:39.06 | JeffM | it isn't |
| 22:39.09 | jcp | Yeah, that's what I meant |
| 22:39.10 | menotume | oh, ready :P |
| 22:39.14 | jcp | When people have time to finish it up |
| 22:39.20 | JeffM | it's usualy not time |
| 22:39.23 | JeffM | it's motivation |
| 22:39.29 | JeffM | they are not the same thing ;) |
| 22:39.33 | jcp | :) |
| 22:39.51 | jcp | So it's released when people decide that they want to spend some time working on part of bzflag and then actually work on it |
| 22:40.05 | JeffM | and get others to do the same |
| 22:40.19 | menotume | and when everyone can agree that it's 'done' |
| 22:40.28 | trepan | ctime(1234567890) => Fri Feb 13 19:31:30 2009 |
| 22:40.32 | JeffM | I Mean if you had asked if 3.0 would be released in 2008, at thist time last year, I'd have said the same time |
| 22:40.33 | trepan | don't think we'll hit it ;-) |
| 22:40.35 | JeffM | same thing |
| 22:40.48 | menotume | trepan, we having a party ? |
| 22:41.14 | blast007 | trepan: heh |
| 22:41.37 | trepan | c'mon, the number, Fri13, would be sweet :) |
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| 22:41.59 | JeffM | heh |
| 22:41.59 | menotume | we had a BIG party at ctime(1000000000) |
| 22:42.09 | delusional | that's my birthday! |
| 22:42.25 | menotume | there goes that idea then |
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| 22:43.07 | trepan | ctime(1248163264) => Tue Jul 21 05:01:04 2009, more likely |
| 22:43.27 | menotume | geek ! :P |
| 22:45.21 | JeffM | I think we'll know how it's all going to go by then, sure |
| 22:47.28 | menotume | wait a cotton pickin minute. what is the significance of 1234567890 ? :P |
| 22:47.38 | menotume | i thought it was 2^31, but not |
| 22:47.52 | menotume | err, i mean 1248163264 |
| 22:48.04 | blast007 | 1 2 4 8 16 32 64 :P |
| 22:48.11 | menotume | eeeeek |
| 22:48.12 | trepan | binary / decimal mashup |
| 22:48.13 | menotume | ok |
| 22:48.26 | menotume | i was right then |
| 22:48.31 | menotume | GEEEEK ! :P |
| 22:50.27 | trepan | fwiw, 2^30 = 1073741824 |
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| 22:56.04 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/shotpathapp.jpg |
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| 23:00.38 | JeffM | that should make some of the cheats easier |
| 23:01.21 | trepan | or would be consider itself by some |
| 23:01.25 | trepan | *considered |
| 23:02.16 | JeffM | indeed |
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| 23:16.27 | brlcad | yeah, actually -- someone made that exact same mod a couple years ago and we told him it was a cheat, showing the shot paths graphically |
| 23:17.51 | trepan | of course, this exact thing was discussed on this very channel weeks ago :) |
| 23:18.03 | trepan | and i'll say the same thing now as then, _forbigLuaUser |
| 23:18.08 | trepan | *_forbid |
| 23:18.24 | trepan | the other option is to limit LuaUser even more than it currently is |
| 23:19.57 | trepan | just provide enough info to reproduce the current gui (less the markers, which are another form of cheat when they present visual cues through viewport obstacles when before there was none) |
| 23:19.59 | brlcad | I don't agree that it should just be left up to server ops unless it was off by default, fundamental playability can be affected |
| 23:20.37 | brlcad | it should either prohibit the things we don't want it to do, or just not be an option by default so people know what they're getting into |
| 23:21.32 | brlcad | either would work I think |
| 23:21.42 | brlcad | server'd definitely be less work |
| 23:22.06 | trepan | so markers should be disabled by the server as well, by default? |
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| 23:23.27 | brlcad | er, no -- I mean basically setting _forbidLuaUser to true as the default so that if an op turns it on, they are saying it's okay for users to have extensions that might do things in the client like overlay shot paths |
| 23:24.23 | brlcad | otherwise, what you said -- just enough to display what we display, giving them the option to reorganize and make things look better (i.e. skin it basically) |
| 23:27.25 | brlcad | the latter would be better imho only because it's a pretty nifty feature that will be pretty expressive/powerful to have, opens a lot of possibilities .. but I'm certainly not contributing to the coding effort and that'd be more work to pin down |
| 23:27.43 | trepan | so markers and probably the hunt sound should be disable by default |
| 23:27.52 | trepan | or based on _radarLimit ? |
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| 23:28.46 | brlcad | hm, you mean like allowing markers if they're within radarLimit? |
| 23:28.59 | trepan | na, not even then really |
| 23:29.04 | brlcad | yeah |
| 23:29.35 | brlcad | they're problematic in general unless there's a way to characterize what types of markers (or to say that it's okay to have markers as a game feature) |
| 23:30.13 | brlcad | actually not even then, hrm |
| 23:30.27 | trepan | _noMarkers = 1, _noHuntSounds = 1 |
| 23:30.32 | trepan | ? |
| 23:30.53 | trepan | or _forbidMarkers ... |
| 23:31.24 | trepan | i like 'forbid', more ominous :) |
| 23:31.31 | brlcad | :) |
| 23:31.58 | trepan | i'll forbid all 3 for now |
| 23:32.01 | brlcad | I missed the talk about hunt sounds, what's the issue there? |
| 23:32.11 | trepan | will revert _forbidLuaUser if it's further limited |
| 23:32.20 | trepan | hunt sounds on a noRadar map |
| 23:32.35 | trepan | or a _radarLimit, for that matter |
| 23:32.55 | brlcad | example problem? |
| 23:33.26 | trepan | louman's mystic valley |
| 23:33.34 | trepan | big advantage to set everyone on hunt |
| 23:34.02 | trepan | also, the RMB check is another inappropriate advantage, iirc |
| 23:39.04 | brlcad | senses a communication failure .. so let me take a stab -- example of actual issue then would be knowing when someone is nearby where you otherwise wouldn't (e.g. a noRadar map) |
| 23:39.29 | brlcad | ? |
| 23:39.59 | trepan | that's about it |
| 23:40.29 | trepan | markers also present a visual cue that you wouldn't get regardless of the radar state |
| 23:40.33 | brlcad | hm, that one isn't nearly as "precise" as the markers though |
| 23:40.38 | trepan | (when see through obstacles) |
| 23:40.49 | trepan | brlcad: it's a _big_ advantage |
| 23:40.57 | brlcad | fair nuf |
| 23:40.59 | trepan | (hunt sounds on noradar that is) |
| 23:41.47 | brlcad | though, I suspect you have a better audio set up than many players :) |
| 23:41.55 | trepan | headset :) |
| 23:42.02 | trepan | good quality though |
| 23:42.12 | brlcad | having seen several friends play on their crappy systems, it's often more just "it's getting louder! .. they must be closer" |
| 23:42.20 | brlcad | no sense of direction |
| 23:49.35 | KTL | mmm /me should ... invest in that. if i could hear long distance shots towards me while i am in conflict/small radar scale ... this could alert me on time |
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| 23:54.08 | blast007 | brlcad: it's pretty common to set everyone to hunt on no-radar maps. I even do it on my laptop which only has one speaker ;) |
| 23:54.20 | KTL | i never did that ... |
| 23:54.35 | KTL | but now i know i will |
| 23:55.07 | brlcad | so what is lua doing that'd make it worse, other than making it arguably easier? |
| 23:55.16 | trepan | refuses to do that when actually playing |
| 23:55.27 | trepan | takes the fun out of it, less jumpiness :) |
| 23:57.33 | trepan | if the sim model ever gets fixed, all this can be revisited; but for now i'll pull all spatial and game state information queries out of LuaUser and re-enable it |
| 23:58.03 | trepan | (which means that you can't have LuaUser draw the world for you, would have to rely on LuaWorld implementations for better gfx) |
| 23:58.54 | trepan | hm, re-enable => default _forbidLuaUser to 0 |
