| 00:00.10 | JeffM | so much for helping you in the future |
| 00:00.19 | iShock | You're being a smartass :( |
| 00:00.37 | JeffM | no, I'm assuming you would use common sense, and a little bit of your brain |
| 00:00.41 | JeffM | but oh well |
| 00:00.57 | iShock | 18:58 <@JeffM> AMAZING! |
| 00:01.19 | JeffM | it's called sarcasm, get used to it |
| 00:01.43 | iShock | I am |
| 00:02.49 | SpazzyMcGee | people seem to like repeating things back to you, JeffM |
| 00:03.04 | JeffM | maybe they think I'm blind |
| 00:03.23 | SpazzyMcGee | <JeffM> maybe they think I'm blind |
| 00:03.28 | SpazzyMcGee | did you catch that? |
| 00:03.50 | SpazzyMcGee | heh, it just got too much |
| 00:03.53 | brad | :( |
| 00:04.10 | Happy_Alice | <SpazzyMcGee> : <JeffM> maybe they think I'm blind |
| 00:04.54 | SpazzyMcGee | heh |
| 00:05.01 | me1 | eww, purple |
| 00:05.09 | iShock | ew, me1 |
| 00:05.52 | me1 | purple irc is the not ausom |
| 00:06.12 | iShock | I just got /ctcp versioned |
| 00:06.29 | me1 | yes |
| 00:06.32 | me1 | yes you did |
| 00:09.55 | iShock | Rofl :< |
| 00:09.56 | iShock | We apologize for the inconvenience. Please contact the webmaster/ tech support immediately to have them rectify this. |
| 00:09.59 | iShock | error id: "bad_httpd_conf" |
| 00:10.37 | blast007 | where is that at? |
| 00:10.53 | iShock | http://l4m3r.bzflag.org/ |
| 00:11.57 | L4m3r | all the custom .org domains were dropped, try .net instead |
| 00:12.54 | iShock | Yays! |
| 00:13.09 | iShock | Thanks L4m3r |
| 00:17.38 | *** join/#bzflag khazhyk (n=khazhy@bzflag/player/Me1) |
| 00:18.50 | iShock | L4m3r: Your riskygeno plugin still work? |
| 00:19.07 | blast007 | iShock: did you try it? |
| 00:19.21 | *** join/#bzflag leeguy92 (n=lee@host217-42-28-209.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) |
| 00:19.26 | blast007 | cuz that sounds like a question you can answer yourself ;) |
| 00:19.30 | iShock | No, I mean it's not going to cause the server to implode, causing the universe as we know it to cease existing. |
| 00:19.45 | F687s | smells some sarcasm. ;-) |
| 00:20.15 | iShock | No, seriously, it's not going to break anything badly right?\ |
| 00:20.15 | blast007 | iShock: try it |
| 00:20.15 | me1 | iShock, it might, it nearly did in a controled test last week. |
| 00:20.15 | blast007 | try it |
| 00:20.41 | blast007 | worst case the server will crash |
| 00:21.41 | blast007 | hmm, something along this line would be neat for the image submission site: http://www.seemysites.net/projFolder/uploader/ |
| 00:22.07 | iShock | Eh, not that important right now. I should probably finish the map first. :-{ |
| 00:23.22 | delusional | that does look good blast |
| 00:23.32 | blast007 | yeah |
| 00:24.12 | blast007 | even if it didn't have the progress bar and just some animated image showing that it's doing something |
| 00:24.19 | blast007 | the progress bar might be a bit server resource intensive (it's kinda a hack) |
| 00:24.42 | *** part/#bzflag Happy_Alice (n=AliceD@unaffiliated/happyalice/x-10468) |
| 00:25.21 | iShock | You know you can actually use that, don't you? |
| 00:25.57 | blast007 | yes |
| 00:26.05 | blast007 | but it doesn't look maintained anymore |
| 00:26.39 | blast007 | and there's lots of other scripts that can do something similar |
| 00:28.02 | leeguy92 | would it be viable to use TCP for things like tank-motion updates in bzflag? |
| 00:28.19 | blast007 | why would you want do do that? |
| 00:28.24 | leeguy92 | and, btw, i didnt mean what i said about jeff having bits of wiki on his face.... |
| 00:29.00 | leeguy92 | it seems like it would be simpler, and potentially less jerky |
| 00:29.06 | blast007 | no, it would be worse |
| 00:29.10 | leeguy92 | because UDP can arrive out of order |
| 00:29.13 | iShock | blast007: For a beginner map maker, how would you suggest 'hiding' a base, so it's not right there easy as pie, jump up and land on me. |
| 00:29.48 | leeguy92 | make it slightly raised, and really small. that'll annoy them |
| 00:29.59 | blast007 | iShock: put a fence around it and a sign that says "No trespassing!" |
| 00:30.13 | iShock | Ew fence |
| 00:30.28 | iShock | That's for a beginner? |
| 00:30.35 | blast007 | I was joking |
| 00:30.55 | iShock | I actually like the idea though :P |
| 00:31.19 | F687s | Why not just hide the flags? That would probably be easier... |
| 00:31.20 | blast007 | leeguy92: do you also know that TCP resends data if it doesn't get there? |
| 00:31.32 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r19134 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/freetype/builds/win32/visualc/freetype_vc8.vcproj: Add the Subversion eol-style=CRLF property. |
| 00:32.04 | iShock | Hm ... |
| 00:32.19 | leeguy92 | blast007: yeah, but it still gets there in the right order. the reason i am asking, is another project i got going(or will have). |
| 00:32.29 | blast007 | right |
| 00:32.36 | blast007 | and for player updates, that would be useless |
| 00:32.41 | blast007 | if you lose an update, you don't care |
| 00:32.52 | blast007 | because by the time it would get there after a resend it would be old data |
| 00:33.15 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r19135 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/glew/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 00:33.15 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: Add the Subversion eol-style=native property. |
| 00:33.15 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: Also, add svn:mime-type=text/css to glew.css. |
| 00:33.37 | blast007 | ever hear of RakNet? |
| 00:33.45 | leeguy92 | but would tcp work? and give reasonable speed for a real-time game like bzflag |
| 00:33.47 | Flash | BulletCatcher the resident nit picker |
| 00:33.48 | leeguy92 | nope |
| 00:34.09 | BulletCatcher | It's a dirty job, but someone has to do it. |
| 00:34.16 | iShock | F687s: How should I hide them? :o |
| 00:34.17 | blast007 | leeguy92: TCP would cause more problems |
| 00:34.24 | Flash | leeguy92: do you understand the differences between TCP and UDP? |
| 00:34.24 | blast007 | why can't you just use UDP? |
| 00:34.28 | leeguy92 | yes |
| 00:34.37 | Flash | for player updates, UDP is appropriate |
| 00:34.59 | leeguy92 | because in java(the client would be an applet) tcp stuff works more naturally with the whole java thing(as far as im aware) |
| 00:35.04 | F687s | iShock: In a dark and dusty cave, guarded by a dragon. |
| 00:35.05 | a_temp_dist | leeguy92: is the server to server chat thing done yet? I'm waiting for it :D |
| 00:35.17 | F687s | (which fires world weapons ;-) |
| 00:35.22 | leeguy92 | ooooooo....can open....worms-everywhere |
| 00:35.26 | Flash | so don't use java |
| 00:35.46 | blast007 | http://www.jenkinssoftware.com/raknet/manual/introduction.html <-- search for 'UDP' on that page |
| 00:35.47 | leeguy92 | a_temp_dist: the server to server chat side is working now |
| 00:35.52 | a_temp_dist | thx |
| 00:35.57 | blast007 | read the first paragraph with that in it |
| 00:36.47 | leeguy92 | a_temp_dist: but i(we) have decided i need the server owner's permission before logging in to them |
| 00:36.50 | blast007 | guess that whole thing is a good read |
| 00:37.15 | Flash | I have to say, after trying to compile and install another project for the past several days, bzflag is remarkably well maintained (thanks BulletCatcher ;-) |
| 00:37.50 | leeguy92 | the reason im using java, is to embed in a web page, so no software needs to be installed. |
| 00:38.23 | blast007 | except... Java ;) |
| 00:38.34 | Winny | hehe |
| 00:38.35 | leeguy92 | yeah, but most systems have that already |
| 00:38.38 | Flash | it seems that you tend to want to take the easiest path, rather than understand implications and take the best path |
| 00:38.46 | Flash | applets have their own issues |
| 00:38.50 | leeguy92 | the ones at my school do, anyway |
| 00:38.57 | Flash | and networking in an applet is a no-no |
| 00:39.27 | leeguy92 | easiest path????? i just wrote a program called BZLink which uses the most roundabout method of working |
| 00:39.32 | BulletCatcher | Flash: *all* of the developers deserve thanks (and curses) for BZFlag's code state. |
| 00:39.42 | iShock | lols @ (and curses) |
| 00:40.07 | leeguy92 | why a no-no? |
| 00:40.07 | leeguy92 | applets support networking, but only to the server they came from, because of the security manager |
| 00:40.11 | Flash | BulletCatcher: the project(s) I'm dealing with have tons of warnings that should be fixed, and as our resident nit-picker, you came to mind ;-) |
| 00:40.22 | *** join/#bzflag Happy_Alice (n=AliceD@unaffiliated/happyalice/x-10468) |
| 00:40.32 | Flash | leeguy92: right, so you aren't going to talk to a bzflag server |
| 00:40.38 | leeguy92 | no |
| 00:40.40 | Flash | so who cares if we use UDP for player updates |
| 00:40.55 | BulletCatcher | Oooh. Can I have "Resident Nit-Picker" as a BZBB rank? |
| 00:41.14 | Flash | ;-) |
| 00:41.19 | Flash | not mine to give |
| 00:41.31 | iShock | I'm about to cry, I can't think of some way to hide the flags to make CTF difficult. |
| 00:41.37 | Happy_Alice | why does the current player dbb is not available with http request as the serverlist db ? |
| 00:41.42 | *** join/#bzflag hwilde (n=hwilde@pool-68-162-171-40.pitt.east.verizon.net) |
| 00:41.51 | iShock | ..What? |
| 00:42.00 | Happy_Alice | currentplayer db |
| 00:42.07 | hwilde | hey what is the name of the variable for bad flag timer |
| 00:42.09 | leeguy92 | yea, ill probably use UDP for the movements... |
| 00:42.09 | leeguy92 | now, another problem with java - a space game in 2d will be a little silly |
| 00:42.44 | Flash | are we talking about bzflag? |
| 00:42.53 | leeguy92 | no |
| 00:42.57 | leeguy92 | is this a hint |
| 00:43.01 | Flash | then might I suggest it is off topic |
| 00:43.03 | leeguy92 | to move my conv? |
| 00:43.06 | leeguy92 | ah, yes |
| 00:43.08 | BulletCatcher | iShock: Create a tall structure that takes many jumps to get to the top of. Put flags and/or bases up there. |
| 00:43.18 | hwilde | Flash what's it called the bad flag time... |
| 00:43.33 | iShock | BulletCatcher: Great idea .. but how would they jump more than once? |
| 00:43.40 | BulletCatcher | Steps. |
| 00:43.48 | iShock | Ew. |
| 00:43.54 | a_temp_dist | steps are fun |
| 00:44.05 | iShock | starts littering WG flags all over the grass |
| 00:44.14 | me1 | fines iShock |
| 00:44.14 | a_temp_dist | or a complicated path through many teleporters |
| 00:44.17 | Flash | how do you CTF when WG is required? |
| 00:44.43 | iShock | You go up there to get the flag, drop WG, pick up G*/R*, and run like hell? |
| 00:44.58 | Flash | and then to get to your own base? |
| 00:45.07 | Happy_Alice | humm.....and about the currentplayer db ? |
| 00:45.09 | iShock | ..Drive your tank? |
| 00:45.48 | Flash | and your base is way up there |
| 00:46.02 | iShock | No its notQ |
| 00:46.40 | iShock | I just had a decent idea for an HTF-like map. |
| 00:47.21 | iShock | Are HTF maps at all worth botherign with? |
| 00:47.46 | Happy_Alice | currentplayer db? |
| 00:47.55 | Happy_Alice | noone? |
| 00:48.01 | Happy_Alice | :-( |
| 00:48.02 | iShock | Happy_Alice: Make sense or shut up? |
| 00:48.16 | hwilde | how do I set the bad flags timer please? |
| 00:48.26 | Happy_Alice | i woould shut up then, if it doesnt make sense for YOU ! |
| 00:48.48 | Happy_Alice | but i hoped it did for someone else |
| 00:49.29 | Winny | iShock: whoa, cool it |
| 00:50.13 | blast007 | Happy_Alice: you can get an RSS feed of the current players |
| 00:50.31 | Happy_Alice | but it is only updated every 5 mins? |
| 00:50.32 | blast007 | http://my.bzflag.org/rssgenerator.php |
| 00:50.34 | blast007 | yes |
| 00:51.05 | a_temp_dist | hwilde: -st (seconds) and -sw (wins) to drop a bad flag |
| 00:51.09 | Winny | blast007: that's pretty spiffy.. never noticed it before |
| 00:52.23 | iShock | -ShockWave! |
| 00:52.42 | blast007 | iShock: just read your message.. please do not tell people to "shut up" here |
| 00:52.55 | iShock | I think I'm going to try an HTF map. |
| 00:52.58 | blast007 | her question made perfect sense |
| 00:53.10 | blast007 | it's just that you didn't know what she was referring to |
| 00:53.25 | hwilde | a_temp_dist, can't /set ingame ? |
| 00:53.26 | iShock | Hm. |
| 00:53.33 | spldart | Been 'gamier' in this channel than normal 8-0 |
| 00:53.38 | blast007 | hwilde: nope |
| 00:53.39 | a_temp_dist | hwilde: no it's a conf option only |
| 00:53.58 | blast007 | patches welcome. (for 2.99.x) |
| 00:54.09 | hwilde | oi who invented bad flags anyways |
| 00:54.16 | hwilde | nobody likes them |
| 00:54.19 | leeguy92 | probably jeff |
| 00:54.24 | iShock | points at blast007 |
| 00:54.24 | blast007 | then take them out of your server |
| 00:54.28 | iShock | -f bad |
| 00:54.43 | blast007 | iShock: that's only if you are using +s and -s to add flags |
| 00:54.51 | blast007 | it doesn't take out flags that you add in with +f |
| 00:55.01 | iShock | +s and -s? /me runs |
| 00:55.06 | blast007 | yeah |
| 00:55.07 | a_temp_dist | read a book |
| 00:55.09 | blast007 | go read the docs |
| 00:55.17 | iShock | That's where the /me came from |
| 00:55.25 | iShock | runs to read the docs* |
| 00:55.45 | Happy_Alice | blast007: url like http://my.bzflag.org/db is updated every seconds?? somethibg equivalennt for currentplayer list? |
| 00:55.45 | blast007 | Happy_Alice: there is nothing |
| 00:55.59 | blast007 | what are you trying to do? |
| 00:56.03 | me1 | blast007/anyone else, how is the strength index calculated? |
| 00:56.10 | iShock | Stupid keyboard .. If I were making a step-like thing, should I make boxes along each wall, or one bix box, smaller one on top of that, smaller on that, etc? |
| 00:56.14 | blast007 | me1: click on the Help link on the site |
| 00:56.26 | me1 | oh, cool |
| 00:56.31 | Happy_Alice | blast007: include an instantaneous list of player |
| 00:56.43 | blast007 | Happy_Alice: for what, exactly? |
| 00:56.48 | hwilde | wait do they actually print bz stuff on paper |
| 00:56.55 | hwilde | or do you really mean go read the wiki |
| 00:57.06 | blast007 | hwilde: hehe.. no, just the wiki.. I hope |
| 00:57.13 | Happy_Alice | for my jbzadmin project...rememeber? |
| 00:57.18 | spldart | stops his printer |
| 00:57.21 | a_temp_dist | me1: SI is = ($score / $wins) * abs($score / 2) |
| 00:57.22 | spldart | ;-) |
| 00:57.29 | blast007 | Happy_Alice: wouldn't you be connected to a server for that? |
| 00:57.37 | blast007 | as an observer player? |
| 00:57.47 | me1 | a_temp_dist, thanks :) |
| 00:57.47 | Happy_Alice | i want to have the list of all the players |
| 00:57.59 | blast007 | well, you can't ;) |
| 00:58.06 | blast007 | there is no database that has that |
| 00:58.09 | Happy_Alice | well, i have understood :-) |
| 00:58.25 | hwilde | press S |
| 00:58.26 | blast007 | that would require a 'push' stats system instead of a 'pull' (query) |
| 00:58.29 | a_temp_dist | because it's proprietary information to this closed project? |
| 00:58.32 | blast007 | hwilde: of *all* servers |
| 00:58.41 | hwilde | no sense of humor :) |
| 00:58.41 | blast007 | a_temp_dist: no, because we don't have it |
| 00:58.46 | a_temp_dist | lol , ok |
| 00:58.56 | blast007 | we don't query every server every second |
| 00:59.07 | blast007 | imagine your logs if we did |
| 00:59.13 | blast007 | we do it every 5 minutes |
| 00:59.18 | blast007 | that's the best we have right now |
| 00:59.19 | iShock | Stupid keyboard .. If I were making a step-like thing, should I make boxes along each wall, or one bix box, smaller one on top of that, smaller on that, etc? |
| 00:59.36 | me1 | iShock, we heard you the first time |
| 00:59.38 | blast007 | a 'pull' (aka 'query') system only takes snapshots |
| 00:59.46 | blast007 | iShock: we just chose to ignore you |
| 00:59.53 | iShock | WHY ME |
| 00:59.54 | iShock | :< |
| 01:00.02 | iShock | ... And wtf@qd |
| 01:00.16 | a_temp_dist | iShock: there are many good examples of steps - go look at a couple maps |
| 01:00.16 | blast007 | a 'push' system would be where each server would know when it needed to send data, and it would push that to the central server |
| 01:00.22 | Happy_Alice | blast007: so even http://my.bzflag.org/currentplayers.php doesnt use an instantaneous db ? |
| 01:00.23 | blast007 | or, you know, TRY IT |
| 01:00.31 | blast007 | Happy_Alice: no |
| 01:00.34 | blast007 | it's a 5 minute query |
| 01:00.39 | iShock | a_temp_dist: Would one be better than the other? |
| 01:00.48 | Happy_Alice | ok....so i am ending my quest :-) |
| 01:00.49 | blast007 | go join a server, sit there fir 6 minutes, then sign off, and refresh that page ;) |
| 01:00.52 | blast007 | you'll still be there |
| 01:00.54 | blast007 | on the list |
| 01:00.58 | a_temp_dist | go look yourself iShock, better is subjective |
| 01:01.14 | blast007 | iShock: really, go freaking TRY it |
| 01:01.22 | Winny | example: Mac is better than PC! |
| 01:01.23 | Winny | ducks |
| 01:01.45 | blast007 | Winny: that's not 'subjective', that's 'wrong' *ducks* |
| 01:01.49 | Happy_Alice | Winny: argue it :-) |
| 01:01.53 | leeguy92 | mac as much pc as windoze or linux is....nooob.... |
| 01:01.55 | blast007 | no,don't ;) |
| 01:01.58 | Winny | blast007: wrong is subjective! :p |
| 01:02.03 | blast007 | Winny: hehe.. |
| 01:02.11 | leeguy92 | um.....so is....ur face! |
| 01:03.18 | a_temp_dist | everyone on the tubes need to pass this test: http://pbskids.org/arthur/games/factsopinions/ |
| 01:03.51 | me1 | why is the text blured? |
| 01:05.06 | a_temp_dist | it's a FACT that your screen is bad |
| 01:05.16 | hwilde | bad is subjective |
| 01:05.24 | Happy_Alice | super! i have foundthe first answer!!! |
| 01:05.26 | hwilde | sub-optimally rendering the font |
| 01:05.27 | leeguy92 | everything is subjective |
| 01:05.39 | BulletCatcher | leeguy92: that's a fact |
| 01:05.42 | leeguy92 | duuuuuuude!!!!1!!111!! |
| 01:05.53 | leeguy92 | stop nit-picking |
| 01:06.20 | Happy_Alice | is it an opinion ? |
| 01:06.40 | me1 | are they all facts? |
| 01:06.47 | me1 | ahh |
| 01:06.48 | me1 | nope |
| 01:06.55 | iShock | blast007: Can I PM you? |
| 01:07.14 | blast007 | sure |
| 01:07.16 | BulletCatcher | brlcad: Is there any real point to the existence of MSVC/build/Makefile.am and such that only enumerate files to be distributed? It would be easier to just distribute the entire directory in the parent Makefile.am . |
| 01:07.31 | Happy_Alice | blast007: can i pm you too ? (i am jealous) |
| 01:07.36 | a_temp_dist | lol |
| 01:07.52 | me1 | blast007, me too! (curse you, peer pressure!) |
| 01:08.00 | iShock | sighs |
| 01:08.04 | Winny | I just do it without asking ;) |
| 01:08.07 | me1 | heh |
| 01:08.28 | Happy_Alice | nobody should ever buy blue paint! |
| 01:08.34 | blast007 | lol... |
| 01:08.46 | Happy_Alice | pants* |
| 01:08.53 | leeguy92 | ok............religion! - fact or opinion |
| 01:08.56 | CBG | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.05 | Happy_Alice | hey CBG |
| 01:09.17 | CBG | hugs Happy_Alice |
| 01:09.19 | Winny | leeguy92: neither - it's offtopic |
| 01:10.03 | Happy_Alice | but the fact is that i have my opinion on it :-D |
| 01:10.04 | leeguy92 | hmm.... |
| 01:10.21 | leeguy92 | how do you know you have an opinion????? |
| 01:10.25 | spldart | good grief |
| 01:10.30 | leeguy92 | how do you know what an opinion is????? |
| 01:10.33 | leeguy92 | does it matter? |
| 01:10.35 | leeguy92 | NO! |
| 01:10.44 | leeguy92 | or.....yes..? |
| 01:10.53 | CBG | leeguy92: nobody cares, stfu, gtfo, ty. |
| 01:11.29 | leeguy92 | um......stfu rtfm mofosucks roflcopter.... haha, i got 4 |
| 01:11.38 | spldart | Dude! |
| 01:12.06 | leeguy92 | sry, im still bleeding inside cos they banned me. (oh, the pain) |
| 01:12.09 | a_temp_dist | CBG, have you played BZF in the last year? |
| 01:12.15 | CBG | a_temp_dist: yes |
| 01:12.19 | CBG | a_temp_dist: why? |
| 01:12.43 | Happy_Alice | a_temp_dist: i am too good with your game :-P |
| 01:12.43 | iShock | I lold. http://pillbox.bzleague.com/index.php?link=teams |
| 01:13.12 | me1 | I didn't |
| 01:17.22 | *** part/#bzflag leeguy92 (n=lee@host217-42-28-209.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) |
| 01:22.08 | spldart | basks |
| 01:26.00 | *** part/#bzflag Enigma_bz (n=devindel@dhcp216n72.fau.edu) |
| 01:30.58 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r19136 10/trunk/bzflag/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Include some previously missing files in distribution tarballs. |
| 02:22.53 | delusional | here's a weird bug.... I've got 4 team CTF running, and when one player spawns on the base, he spawns a little bit low, and is sealed. Just a tiny bit inside the base, 99 percent of his tank is above the base. Sometimes he can turn, sometimes he cant. It happens on all 4 bases. He is fine on all other CTF maps. ...Only one player is having problems, I'm telling him to compile from fresh source. |
| 02:23.21 | delusional | I forget the linux flavor he said... shulda asked him if he has a 64 bit processor. |
| 02:23.37 | me1 | things like that happened to me, too |
| 02:24.14 | me1 | had bzflag from repos, 32 bit ubuntu 8.04 (i think), and i get trapped inside the bases at two tanks and the d-day map |
| 02:24.21 | me1 | there were posts on the forum about it too |
| 02:26.55 | delusional | d-day map was one of those that had the whole floor covered by a mesh |
| 02:26.58 | delusional | ? |
| 02:27.34 | me1 | i dunno |
| 02:27.36 | me1 | maybe |
| 02:28.15 | me1 | btw, new announcment icons need AA |
| 02:28.42 | delusional | I had extreme problems placing flags and spwning tanks when i tried to cover the entire floor with meshes, but some mappers didnot... what did they do different? |
| 02:29.03 | delusional | I had inside points... maybe not enough? |
| 02:30.55 | delusional | what's the key there? |
| 02:32.09 | *** join/#bzflag MrDudle (n=mrdudle@24-117-140-243.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 02:32.50 | Winny | MrDudle: So BZFlag isn't a business.. but it needs to be ;) |
| 02:39.09 | me1 | ha, i can't believe i missed that convo |
| 02:39.20 | me1 | likes having logs |
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| 02:43.37 | MrDudle | Winny? |
| 02:43.39 | MrDudle | oh |
| 02:43.40 | MrDudle | heh |
| 02:43.45 | Winny | ;) |
| 02:43.50 | MrDudle | hows you? |
| 02:44.04 | Winny | same as last time |
| 02:44.30 | MrDudle | yeah |
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| 02:45.03 | MrDudle | so Winny i'm loving theming for wordpress |
| 02:45.14 | Winny | I see |
| 02:46.11 | MrDudle | you ever themed for a wp site Winny |
| 02:46.39 | Winny | many of them |
| 02:46.52 | MrDudle | nice |
| 02:47.00 | MrDudle | i'm working on a really really super simple one right now |
| 02:47.35 | Winny | perhaps we should take this to #bzflag-chat |
| 02:47.40 | MrDudle | sure |
| 02:47.43 | Winny | k |
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| 03:22.23 | trepan | not much of a demo, but the first of its kind: http://trepan.bzflag.bz/bzluashader.jpg |
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| 03:22.59 | trepan | just greyscale shader, using a custom lua texture + screen copy |
| 03:23.32 | trepan | the lines indicate the use of the bz.RayTrace() call to determine projected shot path |
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| 03:24.50 | Gabe_G23 | nice trepan :) |
| 03:25.18 | me1 | oh, i thought it was a shader that made night time actually look dark |
| 03:26.17 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/bzUser.lua (look for CreateShader) |
| 03:26.32 | trepan | that's test code, the final modules look much cleaner |
| 03:27.11 | leeguy92 | Has anyone considered a more advanced AI for bzflag. maybe making use of ANNs or something? |
| 03:27.27 | blast007 | so.. users would be able to add a script to their client that shows the projected shot path? |
| 03:27.33 | trepan | yes |
| 03:27.37 | blast007 | :/ |
| 03:27.48 | trepan | you missed my note about _forbidLuaUser ? |
| 03:27.55 | blast007 | oh |
| 03:28.18 | trepan | fwiw, the LuaWorld script can also generate projected paths ... |
| 03:28.24 | blast007 | will that default to on or off? |
| 03:28.32 | trepan | defaults to off |
| 03:28.39 | blast007 | but LuaWorld would affect everyone, right? |
| 03:28.42 | trepan | yes |
| 03:29.14 | blast007 | just sounds like LuaUser is going to make a cheater's job easier |
| 03:30.00 | leeguy92 | a projected shot path wouldnt help that much. all it would do is tell you what your pointing at, which is what the little square in the middle of the screen does, isnt it? |
| 03:30.11 | trepan | rico |
| 03:31.26 | trepan | blast007: also (fwiw), LuaUser will not have access to player positions, shots, etc... |
| 03:31.34 | trepan | just player scores and such |
| 03:31.39 | blast007 | k |
| 03:31.57 | trepan | with the bz simulation in the state that it is, it simply isn't feasible |
| 03:32.55 | trepan | maybe shots that warp space would make for a better demo ... :) |
| 03:33.46 | me1 | how would this work, do you just put hte lua script in teh dir, or do you have to link to it somehow? |
| 03:33.58 | trepan | bzfs -luaworld <dirpath> |
| 03:34.10 | trepan | in that directory, have a bzWorld.lua file |
| 03:34.20 | jcp | What's the short name for the agility flag? |
| 03:34.28 | me1 | v? |
| 03:34.32 | trepan | the whole diectory gets wrapped up and packed into the world chunk |
| 03:34.33 | brad | A |
| 03:34.34 | jcp | no, that's high speed |
| 03:34.36 | jcp | A? |
| 03:34.39 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v spldart] by ChanServ |
| 03:34.41 | jcp | That's what I thought |
| 03:34.51 | jcp | I'm doing +f good{3} -f A{3} |
| 03:34.57 | jcp | and it's saying that A isn't a flag |
| 03:35.03 | brad | +f not -f ? |
| 03:35.15 | jcp | Trying to have all good flags except for agility |
| 03:35.20 | brad | ah |
| 03:35.29 | brad | why the {3} then ? |
| 03:35.39 | jcp | Isn't it needed? |
| 03:35.46 | brad | cant really remember how that works:P |
| 03:35.52 | jcp | Add three of each type of good flag, get rid of 3 agility flags... |
| 03:36.06 | blast007 | jcp: -f doesn't work along with +f |
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| 03:36.14 | blast007 | it's only used for -s and +s |
| 03:36.15 | trepan | man bzfs does not mention {}'s for -f |
| 03:36.18 | trepan | only for +f |
| 03:36.20 | blast007 | that too |
| 03:36.21 | jcp | How do you add all good flags except for a specific type then? |
| 03:36.30 | trepan | -f -f -f ? |
| 03:36.35 | blast007 | jcp: you have to add all of the flags exact that one individually |
| 03:36.39 | jcp | outch |
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| 03:36.41 | jcp | *ouch |
| 03:36.48 | jcp | That's going to take some time |
| 03:36.49 | blast007 | -f ONLY disables random flag generation that -s and +s does |
| 03:37.17 | brad | whats wrong with agility anyway? |
| 03:37.20 | jcp | And +s and -s take the number of flags overall as opposed to the number of each type of flag, right? |
| 03:37.21 | trepan | hm, one -f doesn't work for ya? |
| 03:37.37 | blast007 | no, it will not take the flag out if you supply it with +f |
| 03:37.41 | trepan | -f: Disallows random flags of the given type |
| 03:37.50 | trepan | doesn't say anything about a count |
| 03:37.54 | blast007 | "Disallows random flags of the given type. Required flags given by the +f option are still provided" |
| 03:38.06 | blast007 | random flags are supplied with -s and +s |
| 03:38.11 | blast007 | that's what -f is used with |
| 03:38.12 | jcp | That's stupi |
| 03:38.14 | jcp | *stupid |
| 03:38.26 | blast007 | that's how it's been for a loooong time |
| 03:38.47 | trepan | blast007: i forgot have craptastic that switch setup is, had a patch for that at one point ... |
| 03:38.50 | jcp | is reminded of why c++ sucks |
| 03:38.57 | trepan | dynamic world flag assignments, iirc |
| 03:38.59 | blast007 | jcp: what does this have to do with C++? |
| 03:39.12 | trepan | s/have/how/ |
| 03:39.30 | jcp | c++ sucks because things had been done the C way for a long time, so they couldn't really change |
| 03:39.44 | blast007 | jcp: huh? |
| 03:39.53 | blast007 | I'm talking about our switches |
| 03:39.57 | jcp | Right |
| 03:40.03 | blast007 | that has *nothing* to do with which language you're using |
| 03:40.06 | blast007 | that's just how it was designed |
| 03:40.11 | jcp | Exactly |
| 03:40.15 | blast007 | it could be done that badly with Java too |
| 03:40.39 | jcp | nevermind |
| 03:40.49 | jcp | I know if I connect the analogy I'm going to get into an argument |
| 03:42.23 | jcp | And is there a way to get a server to use global auth without being publicly listed? |
| 03:42.44 | blast007 | you have to use -public, but you can use -advertise none |
| 03:42.52 | blast007 | then it won't show up for anyone |
| 03:43.01 | jcp | ok |
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| 03:44.35 | jcp | -advertise NONE is saying that NONE is a bad argument |
| 03:45.05 | blast007 | eh, then you have something else wrong |
| 03:45.16 | blast007 | did you provide a description for -public ? |
| 03:45.32 | blast007 | (still need one even though it won't show up) |
| 03:49.45 | blast007 | ex: bzfs -public "Private Server" -advertise none |
| 03:50.27 | jcp | heh, that was the problem |
| 03:50.39 | jcp | and is anyone having problems with the list server? |
| 03:50.48 | jcp | Find servers is stuck on "searching" |
| 03:51.41 | blast007 | ~bzflist |
| 03:51.52 | jcp | ... |
| 03:51.56 | blast007 | yeah.. |
| 03:52.02 | jcp | So the list is down? |
| 03:52.14 | blast007 | yeah |
| 03:52.16 | jcp | Darn |
| 03:52.22 | blast007 | trying to log into the server |
| 03:52.27 | blast007 | taking a while :/ |
| 03:52.43 | jcp | hopes that his deciding to have his server advertised didn't crash it :) |
| 03:52.51 | jcp | Maybe it doesn't like my description |
| 03:52.57 | blast007 | nah, probably a bot net again |
| 03:53.02 | blast007 | load average is at 8 :/ |
| 03:53.43 | jcp | Why do all these people target bzflag? |
| 03:53.52 | jcp | Don't they have better things to do, like hunt microsoft or something? |
| 03:54.56 | iShock | Roflmao |
| 03:56.05 | jcp | Any word yet? |
| 03:56.57 | blast007 | seems to be up now |
| 03:57.40 | jcp | ok |
| 04:01.35 | delusional | hmm, that's the second time today I've heard that -advertise none doesnt work |
| 04:02.40 | blast007 | delusional: it does |
| 04:02.48 | blast007 | he was doing -public wrong |
| 04:02.51 | delusional | ok |
| 04:02.52 | blast007 | didn't have a description |
| 04:02.58 | blast007 | so he had -public -advertise NONE |
| 04:03.12 | blast007 | -advertise was his public description ;) |
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| 04:39.08 | BulletCatcher | delusional: Tanks getting stuck on objects can often be cured by compiling with the -ffast-math gcc option. |
| 04:39.55 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: I think that caused more issues than it solved |
| 04:40.08 | blast007 | like getting kicked from the server for going too fast |
| 04:40.33 | BulletCatcher | Not that kind of fast :-). |
| 04:41.50 | blast007 | no, that's what problems it caused afaik |
| 04:42.06 | blast007 | I had someone try it when they were getting stuck in teleporter, at least I think it was that option |
| 04:42.15 | BulletCatcher | Our build system includes -ffast-math by default, but some distros override CFLAGS and lose it. |
| 04:42.42 | blast007 | actually turning it on was getting them stuck.. |
| 04:42.50 | BulletCatcher | Huh. |
| 04:43.00 | blast007 | < inchworm> blast007: the ffast-math is unplayable.. i get impossibly killed by GM and i'm getting sealed on spawn |
| 04:44.02 | blast007 | [11:53:20] < inchworm> autokick, player location was outside the playing area |
| 04:44.03 | blast007 | etc |
| 04:44.06 | blast007 | stuff like that |
| 04:44.21 | blast007 | I had them build with: CXXFLAGS="-ffast-math" ./configure |
| 04:44.31 | blast007 | is that the right way of doing that? (it was 2.0.x) |
| 04:44.55 | BulletCatcher | That might disable some other compile-time options. |
| 04:45.50 | BulletCatcher | It would be interesting to know other details of inchworm's situation, such as CPU type. |
| 04:49.40 | spldart | Bulletcatcher... That fix for stuck on objects for head code or trunk... or both |
| 04:49.42 | spldart | ? |
| 04:57.20 | BulletCatcher | With one exception I haven't seen any sticking problems with trunk. My observation is about 2.0.x. |
| 04:58.24 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: do the teleporters in louman's metropolis work in linux? |
| 04:58.37 | short_circuit | Ah... I've experienced the opposite.. but perhaps that's the mesh stick problem...roughly |
| 04:59.10 | BulletCatcher | There may be more than one sticking problem. |
| 04:59.15 | BulletCatcher | blast007: trunk? |
| 04:59.17 | blast007 | suppose I should screw around tomorrow and see if that happens |
| 04:59.22 | blast007 | trunk |
| 04:59.34 | BulletCatcher | Hang on. I'll check. |
| 04:59.37 | blast007 | in v2_0branch I think it almost always gets you stuck in linux |
| 05:00.04 | blast007 | if you have a 2.0.x client, I'm also running that map on that version |
| 05:02.12 | BulletCatcher | ~bzflist bzexcess.com:25154 |
| 05:02.25 | BulletCatcher | That didn't work. |
| 05:02.35 | BulletCatcher | ~bzquery bzexcess.com:25154 |
| 05:03.39 | BulletCatcher | The 2.99.x bzexcess.com servers don't show up in my client list. Are they running 2.99.14? |
| 05:04.29 | blast007 | hmm, let me check |
| 05:04.39 | blast007 | nope, .13 |
| 05:04.41 | blast007 | one minute |
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| 05:08.59 | BulletCatcher | Teleporters work fine on the 2.0.x map. I attracted some other players, too. :-) |
| 05:09.18 | blast007 | heh |
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| 05:29.02 | BulletCatcher | blast007: Can you tell whether your 2.0.13 client was compiled with -ffast-math ? |
| 05:29.39 | blast007 | would that show in config.log? |
| 05:29.45 | BulletCatcher | grep for it in src/bzflag/Makefile |
| 05:29.54 | blast007 | k |
| 05:30.12 | blast007 | ah, yup, it was |
| 05:30.18 | BulletCatcher | Hmm. |
| 05:30.45 | blast007 | this was with a straight ./configure as well |
| 05:31.07 | BulletCatcher | What version of gcc? ("gcc --version" |
| 05:31.29 | BulletCatcher | 32 bit or 64 bit? |
| 05:31.40 | blast007 | 4.3.2 (4.3.2-1ubuntu11, specifically) |
| 05:31.42 | blast007 | 32-bit |
| 05:32.26 | blast007 | CPU is a C2D |
| 05:32.28 | BulletCatcher | I have the same gcc version on my 64-bit Fedora 10 system, but I didn't compile it myself. I'll do so. |
| 05:32.38 | blast007 | Ubuntu 8.10 on this system |
| 05:33.04 | blast007 | 2.0.8 and 2.0.10 were on my AMD Turion X2 laptop with Ubuntu 7.10 or 7.04 (forget which one exactly) |
| 05:33.23 | blast007 | 2.0.8 from the package manager, and 2.0.10 was a self-build |
| 05:34.45 | BulletCatcher | My 2.0.13 build should be done in about 12 minutes. |
| 05:35.21 | blast007 | k |
| 05:35.40 | blast007 | I did get unstuck in the last try |
| 05:35.48 | blast007 | but not from anything I could control |
| 05:36.07 | blast007 | the tank kept rotating after I was sealed, and eventually got unstuck because it rotated out |
| 05:36.34 | jcp | IF anyone's on here that can grant requests for groups... |
| 05:36.39 | jcp | I added a group request to the forums |
| 05:36.51 | blast007 | they get done when they get done |
| 05:36.58 | blast007 | unless you want to finish the group manager ;) |
| 05:37.34 | jcp | :D |
| 05:37.46 | jcp | No, I just figured if whoever manages them is here and didn't see the request yet |
| 05:37.47 | jcp | But no rush |
| 05:38.51 | BulletCatcher | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1696723&group_id=3248&atid=103248 is the bug that is fixed by -ffast-math |
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| 05:39.51 | blast007 | apparently it's not though ;) |
| 05:40.29 | BulletCatcher | Your bug may be different. See if you can use the teleporter in Louman's Lasermania. |
| 05:40.42 | blast007 | k |
| 05:44.25 | BulletCatcher | I set the __GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK environment variable to "1" to limit the frame rate with my nvidia card. |
| 05:44.48 | blast007 | would turning on the energy saver be enough? |
| 05:45.25 | BulletCatcher | Could be, but the environment variable affects all GL apps, which I find useful. |
| 05:46.17 | blast007 | okay, trying with that now |
| 05:46.36 | BulletCatcher | My 2.0.13 build finished. I'll go back to Metropolis with it. |
| 05:46.40 | blast007 | k |
| 05:46.59 | blast007 | still stuck in the teleporter on lasermania |
| 05:47.07 | BulletCatcher | (Ugh. 2.0.13 fonts suck.) |
| 05:55.41 | BulletCatcher | My fresh 2.0.13 client handles the teleporters without any trouble. |
| 05:55.47 | blast007 | hrm |
| 05:56.02 | blast007 | none of my ubuntu clients work |
| 05:58.39 | BulletCatcher | I wonder if there is something different about your CPU that is relevant. Mine's an AMD. Do you have other hardware you can test with? |
| 05:59.30 | blast007 | 2.0.13 was on a Core 2 Duo |
| 05:59.50 | blast007 | 2.0.8 and 2.0.10 was on an AMD Turion X2 laptop |
| 06:00.20 | BulletCatcher | So the common part is Ubuntu? Maybe there is a library issue. |
| 06:00.35 | blast007 | yup, both ubuntu |
| 06:00.39 | blast007 | different versions though |
| 06:04.14 | BulletCatcher | Next week I'll borrow a spare computer from work and put Ubuntu on it. That will make it easy to test various things. |
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| 06:16.02 | iShock | 2.0.13? |
| 06:16.15 | blast007 | iShock: yes |
| 06:16.17 | BulletCatcher | It isn't released. |
| 06:16.27 | blast007 | (and wouldn't be) |
| 06:16.36 | iShock | itches head |
| 06:16.38 | blast007 | it's the latest v2_0branch |
| 06:16.41 | iShock | wonders why |
| 06:16.46 | blast007 | if we were going to release it, it would be .14 |
| 06:17.02 | iShock | ..Why? |
| 06:17.14 | blast007 | that's how our versioning works |
| 06:17.19 | blast007 | at least for 2.0.x |
| 06:17.29 | iShock | Oh, yeah, even numbers. |
| 06:17.37 | iShock | So why isn't it going to be released? |
| 06:17.43 | blast007 | 2.0.x is dead |
| 06:18.00 | iShock | Surely not? |
| 06:18.09 | blast007 | as far as development is concerned |
| 06:18.30 | iShock | Last I heard, 2.99.x wasn't even close though :\ |
| 06:18.44 | blast007 | so? |
| 06:18.51 | blast007 | we're not doing anything with 2.0.x |
| 06:19.04 | iShock | So what's the difference between .12 and your hided .13? |
| 06:19.15 | blast007 | "hided" ? |
| 06:19.30 | iShock | Hidden, hidden, not released, secret. |
| 06:19.39 | blast007 | it's not hidden |
| 06:19.46 | blast007 | it's available to anyone |
| 06:20.13 | iShock | blinks |
| 06:20.13 | blast007 | just because you don't know where it is doesn't mean it's hidden. |
| 06:20.13 | iShock | 01:16 < BulletCatcher> It isn't released. |
| 06:20.14 | iShock | 01:19 <+blast007> it's available to anyone |
| 06:20.24 | blast007 | released is different than available |
| 06:20.43 | iShock | Where is it available? |
| 06:20.55 | blast007 | SVN |
| 06:21.21 | iShock | prods his map |
| 06:21.22 | blast007 | not that there's any real changes that matter too much |
| 06:21.32 | trepan | multi-rabbit is possible in svn, yes? |
| 06:21.42 | blast007 | trepan: 2.0.x svn? |
| 06:21.55 | trepan | i couldn't care less about 2.0.x ;-) |
| 06:21.57 | blast007 | or are you not talking about the above conversation? |
| 06:22.00 | iShock | Multi-rabbit? |
| 06:22.01 | trepan | 2.99 ... |
| 06:22.05 | iShock | itches head |
| 06:22.27 | BulletCatcher | hands iShock a bottle of Head & Shoulders |
| 06:22.52 | iShock | Oi, don't. |
| 06:24.39 | trepan | i'll take that ringing silence as a round of "beats me"s |
| 06:25.01 | BulletCatcher | Yeah. I don't recall hearing anything about multiple rabbits in trunk. |
| 06:25.13 | iShock | pokes trepans ears |
| 06:25.36 | iShock | Stop ringing noobs! |
| 06:26.00 | iShock | has idea for his HTF map, but doesn't know how to go about it |
| 06:26.04 | iShock | starts googling. |
| 06:36.31 | iShock | If the worldSize is 600, it's 300x300 isn't it? |
| 06:38.40 | iShock | BulletCatcher: Mapmaker? |
| 06:40.54 | BulletCatcher | There are two different ways of specifying the world size. They differ by a factor of 2. Which way are you using? |
| 06:41.11 | iShock | -set _worldSize |
| 06:41.53 | BulletCatcher | If you -set _worldSize 600, then coordinate values will range from -300 to +300. |
| 06:42.10 | iShock | Okay, thanks. |
| 06:42.42 | BulletCatcher | You could get the same effect with a "size 300" statement in the "world" section of a bzw file. |
| 06:44.21 | iShock | If I wanted a box to fill the entire world.... |
| 06:44.58 | Winny | position: 0 0 0 |
| 06:45.05 | Winny | size: 300 300 height |
| 06:46.17 | iShock | Oh |
| 06:46.20 | iShock | Fail, uh |
| 06:46.51 | Winny | wait, maybe drop the colons |
| 06:46.51 | Winny | it's been a while ;) |
| 06:47.11 | iShock | Not that fail, although the colors dont belong |
| 06:47.14 | iShock | I forgot -sb |
| 06:47.20 | iShock | So I got seald :< |
| 06:48.17 | iShock | K so why'd I get sealed this time? |
| 06:49.12 | BulletCatcher | Try using -j too, so you can jump. |
| 06:49.20 | iShock | I do |
| 06:49.31 | iShock | But it sorta sucks when you spawn instantly sealed .. |
| 06:49.58 | BulletCatcher | Define a spawn zone that is on top of the box. |
| 06:50.23 | iShock | Problem is, there are going to be boxes ontop of that box |
| 06:50.27 | iShock | like stairs |
| 06:50.34 | iShock | ..Did the wiki die? |
| 06:53.24 | iShock | So, why isn't -f G* stopping the flag from spawning on the base, and why, even with a zone for spawns, am I still spawning on boxes? |
| 06:54.26 | BulletCatcher | Your first spawn after joining is always on the base. |
| 06:54.43 | blast007 | -f does not have any effect on flags that are not randomly generated with -s and +s |
| 06:54.46 | blast007 | so that's why |
| 06:54.58 | iShock | BulletCatcher: No way to fix that? |
| 06:55.02 | BulletCatcher | There is. |
| 06:55.30 | iShock | I suppose I could have the base in the corner of the first box, but meh .. blast007, can I get rid of it some other way then? |
| 06:55.45 | blast007 | you can modify bzfs |
| 06:56.05 | iShock | ..That's it? |
| 06:56.07 | blast007 | usually I think that's how HTF works |
| 06:56.16 | BulletCatcher | It's undocumented, but create a "world" section in your bzw file and use the word freeCtfSpawns by itself on a line in that section. |
| 06:56.18 | blast007 | or maybe you cap your own flag |
| 06:56.19 | blast007 | I forget |
| 06:56.31 | iShock | blast007: This one is cap your own flag. |
| 06:56.38 | blast007 | k |
| 06:57.09 | iShock | No other way to throw the flag away? |
| 06:57.45 | blast007 | probably need to compile your own modified bzfs that doesn't spawn that flag |
| 06:58.03 | blast007 | you might be able to do a flag spawn zone for that team's flag, but I'm not sure if that works |
| 07:00.21 | iShock | Here goes .. |
| 07:01.20 | iShock | Woo, that seems to have worked blast007 :o |
| 07:01.33 | iShock | BulletCatcher: Actually it's not undocumented. |
| 07:03.07 | BulletCatcher | Is it in the wiki? |
| 07:03.26 | iShock | Yeah. |
| 07:03.33 | iShock | freeCtfSpawnsafter a team-flag is captured, players spawn randomly, not at the base. |
| 07:03.49 | BulletCatcher | Cool. I found it when I was rummaging through the source code. |
| 07:04.21 | BulletCatcher | It has the same effect on the first spawn after joining. |
| 07:05.12 | iShock | Yeah. |
| 07:05.27 | iShock | If there's a blue base, but no blue team, the base will be there, but no flag, right? |
| 07:05.57 | BulletCatcher | That sounds right. |
| 07:07.34 | iShock | I think HTF map v1 is almost done :o |
| 07:08.56 | iShock | Well, it's almost perfect for v1 |
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| 07:10.24 | iShock | This is a disappointment. |
| 07:10.33 | iShock | BulletCatcher: Can bases not be on top of boxes? |
| 07:11.31 | iShock | prods BulletCatcher |
| 07:13.02 | iShock | explodes |
| 07:13.52 | blast007 | are you having a problem with it? |
| 07:18.22 | iShock | Woo, finally. |
| 07:19.22 | iShock | is happy |
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| 07:26.29 | Sk3letr0n | YOU ARE A SLUT! |
| 07:26.47 | Sk3letr0n | I WILL COME TO YOUR HOUSE AND RAPE YOUR MOM! |
| 07:26.58 | Sk3letr0n | yes! |
| 07:27.00 | Sk3letr0n | ok? |
| 07:27.10 | *** kick/#bzflag [Sk3letr0n!n=sean@bz.bzflag.bz] by brlcad (brlcad) |
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| 07:27.31 | Sk3letr0n | fucker |
| 07:27.33 | brlcad | Sk3letr0n: behave |
| 07:27.37 | Sk3letr0n | ok |
| 07:27.41 | *** mode/#bzflag [+b *!*=437ef14f@*.bzflag.bz] by brlcad |
| 07:27.55 | iShock | woo map |
| 07:28.09 | brlcad | if you can't be nice, don't come here |
| 07:28.23 | brlcad | take your boredom somewhere else |
| 07:28.44 | iShock | brlcad: care to see my beginner map? |
| 07:29.02 | brlcad | iShock: screenshot? |
| 07:29.40 | iShock | I'd rather you signed on, but sec |
| 07:29.42 | brlcad | an enticing screenshot garners attention better |
| 07:31.16 | iShock | hm wtf |
| 07:31.38 | iShock | was missing a pyre :P |
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| 07:34.18 | iShock | Not the best of pics, but meh .. http://cluelesslee.co.cc/~lee/bzfi0092.png |
| 07:36.44 | iShock | pokes brlcad |
| 07:37.38 | ashvala | hello ishock |
| 07:37.47 | iShock | hello sir |
| 07:37.58 | ashvala | the image looks like a temple :) |
| 07:38.03 | ashvala | sir |
| 07:38.08 | iShock | maam? |
| 07:38.17 | ashvala | i am sir! |
| 07:38.21 | iShock | o im sorry |
| 07:38.22 | ashvala | 14, boy |
| 07:38.28 | iShock | Should I call it the HTF Temple? |
| 07:38.31 | brlcad | fyi, Sk3letr0n earned himself a firewall ban for threatening further abuse in case he finds his way back on |
| 07:38.33 | ashvala | sure |
| 07:38.42 | ashvala | wow |
| 07:38.44 | iShock | Coolio |
| 07:38.46 | ashvala | gj brl |
| 07:38.52 | blast007 | brlcad: fun |
| 07:38.52 | iShock | brl, did you get to see it? |
| 07:39.01 | BulletCatcher | Sk3letr0n knows how to change his IP address. He'll be back. |
| 07:39.06 | brlcad | iShock: yes I did |
| 07:39.15 | brlcad | interesting map, but a bit devoid of detail, no? |
| 07:39.26 | iShock | Detail such as? |
| 07:39.44 | brlcad | such as more than steps and a base :) |
| 07:39.58 | iShock | It's supposed to be a simple HTF map :< |
| 07:40.05 | iShock | I can't add too much |
| 07:40.09 | ashvala | :) ishock :) |
| 07:40.24 | iShock | Any suggestions? |
| 07:40.34 | ashvala | details are important for a good map |
| 07:40.56 | iShock | Holy s..t http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7810192.stm |
| 07:40.56 | ashvala | without much of details, it is plain, nothing interesting |
| 07:41.16 | iShock | glares at the picture waiting for ideas |
| 07:41.19 | iShock | Got any? |
| 07:41.56 | ashvala | omg! what a idiot that kid was! |
| 07:41.56 | trepan | brlcad: seen this one? http://trepan.bzflag.bz/bzluashader.jpg |
| 07:42.12 | iShock | im an idiot?! |
| 07:42.26 | blast007 | iShock: the one in the article you linked to..... |
| 07:42.32 | ashvala | ischock: did you shoot? |
| 07:42.35 | iShock | ..oh :< |
| 07:42.41 | iShock | Not yet at leasy |
| 07:42.42 | trepan | have custom tex, multitex, dlists, shaders (vert/frag/geom), fbos, and rbos tied-in now |
| 07:42.43 | iShock | least |
| 07:43.01 | brlcad | trepan: yep saw it |
| 07:43.11 | iShock | That color sucks |
| 07:43.22 | ashvala | trepan: what is that line |
| 07:43.34 | trepan | iShock: that's hardly the point |
| 07:43.35 | ashvala | in the image? |
| 07:43.46 | trepan | shot path |
| 07:44.37 | ashvala | ah |
| 07:44.53 | iShock | Eh, well, it's true. |
| 07:45.03 | iShock | ashvala: brlcad: blast007: Any ideas for that map? |
| 07:45.08 | blast007 | make it not suck |
| 07:45.22 | iShock | .. |
| 07:45.26 | ashvala | ishock: Much more detail |
| 07:45.47 | iShock | ashvala: Such as? |
| 07:45.49 | trepan | blast007: it's unlikely he could grasp most of the required concepts ;-) |
| 07:46.02 | blast007 | true |
| 07:46.05 | ashvala | The human mind dwells in details |
| 07:46.21 | iShock | You see, ashvala's being helpful instead of an ass. |
| 07:46.55 | ashvala | ishock: think of enthusiastic bzers |
| 07:47.00 | ashvala | ishock: think about how you would want them to come into your map? |
| 07:47.13 | ashvala | the design? |
| 07:47.15 | ashvala | the looks? |
| 07:47.31 | ashvala | the game itself? |
| 07:47.46 | brlcad | iShock: coming up with ideas is the whole point of being a map-maker ;) |
| 07:47.48 | ashvala | It has to beat Missile war & Tank Race |
| 07:47.52 | brlcad | you'll figure something out |
| 07:48.12 | ashvala | brlcad: he will... |
| 07:48.19 | iShock | I have to beat missile wars on my first real map? |
| 07:48.21 | iShock | rm -r |
| 07:48.53 | ashvala | ishock: }else{ your map will be on page 28 :P |
| 07:49.02 | ashvala | } |
| 07:49.25 | iShock | Actually, I got a map that looks randomly generated that's been picking up at night. |
| 07:49.39 | ashvala | Tank races took to first spot because it was nice |
| 07:49.56 | iShock | Never heard of it |
| 07:49.58 | ashvala | it beat missile war! |
| 07:50.03 | ashvala | you havent!!! |
| 07:50.13 | iShock | Nope |
| 07:50.13 | ashvala | oh |
| 07:50.19 | iShock | I was a missile war nut |
| 07:50.30 | ashvala | tough luck :) |
| 07:51.06 | ashvala | i cant access missile war because I have 5154 blocked |
| 07:51.17 | ashvala | thanks to my idiotic proxy |
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| 07:51.57 | iShock | i cant access it because qd banned me for asking how long my gu ban was |
| 07:52.05 | iShock | 'forever' 'Server forced a disconnect' |
| 07:52.32 | ashvala | what was your callsign? |
| 07:52.39 | iShock | LeeM |
| 07:52.46 | blast007 | Freenode, BZFS, and LeeM |
| 07:52.56 | ashvala | oh |
| 07:53.04 | ashvala | it was a perma ban eh? |
| 07:53.05 | iShock | And BaseCamper |
| 07:53.06 | iShock | And uh |
| 07:53.10 | blast007 | that too |
| 07:53.16 | iShock | Anything else we forgot? |
| 07:53.23 | ashvala | :) |
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| 11:25.22 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19137 10/trunk/bzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): * implemented SDLWindow::getPosition() for X11 and Windows |
| 11:25.56 | trepan | the windows code has not been compiled or tested |
| 11:29.08 | trepan | and why I wanted it: http://trepan.bzflag.bz/gui3D.png |
| 11:29.48 | trepan | the red line ends move depending on where the window is, you can have '3d' gui elements |
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| 12:16.33 | ashvala | uh? |
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| 16:54.57 | brlcad | trepan: that's pretty awesome |
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| 17:33.58 | delusional | nice, anisotropic filtering is enabled with OSX 10,5 |
| 17:40.42 | JeffM | brlcad: do you have any clue what sagonet charges to add more ram to a server? |
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| 17:43.26 | Winny | last i saw it was like 70$ a gig |
| 17:43.35 | JeffM | one time charge? |
| 17:43.40 | Winny | I think... lemme check |
| 17:43.49 | JeffM | if so that's not bad |
| 17:43.55 | JeffM | we are getting close to using our gig |
| 17:44.36 | Winny | when you set up a new server they only give you two options: 135$ for 3gb or 185$ for 4gb |
| 17:44.45 | Winny | I think it's the same for already-configured servers |
| 17:44.49 | JeffM | I'll have to send em an email |
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| 17:45.13 | JeffM | 1003.41 MB total, 784.53 MB used |
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| 17:46.19 | JeffM | goes back to learning how to use sessions |
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| 17:52.22 | Winny | teatime! |
| 17:56.50 | Gabe_G23 | Where is the bzflag bad word's list? :| |
| 17:57.06 | Winny | right here: *** *** ******* ***** |
| 17:57.24 | JeffM | one is in misc in the source package |
| 17:57.34 | JeffM | it does not ship with the premade versions |
| 17:58.18 | Gabe_G23 | I see, thanks :D |
| 18:00.13 | brlcad | JeffM: I payed a one-time fee to upgrade 512MB -- it was something like 2X-4X retail |
| 18:00.37 | JeffM | k, that ain't too bad |
| 18:00.39 | brlcad | you could do a monthly upgrade or a one-time fee |
| 18:00.42 | JeffM | thanks |
| 18:00.44 | JeffM | naw |
| 18:00.48 | JeffM | one time sounds better |
| 18:00.51 | JeffM | can't be that much |
| 18:00.58 | brlcad | yeah, it is, if you keep the server longer than a year |
| 18:01.17 | brlcad | likes playing bzflag on the 60" plasma |
| 18:04.47 | SpazzyMcGee | blast007, or another BZBB admin, would it be possible to move a topic for me? |
| 18:04.52 | SpazzyMcGee | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=13545&p=132869#p132869 |
| 18:05.00 | SpazzyMcGee | to Screenshots and Artwork...? |
| 18:05.55 | JeffM | done |
| 18:06.03 | SpazzyMcGee | cheers, JeffM |
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| 18:26.12 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r19138 10/trunk/bzflag/src/platform/SDLDisplay.h: removed x, y, min_width, min_height. all unused. |
| 18:27.41 | BulletCatcher | brlcad, did you see my question about Makefile.am files? It was about 16 1/2 hours ago. |
| 18:33.29 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r19139 10/trunk/bzflag/src/platform/Makefile.am: sort lines so they can be compared |
| 18:34.25 | brlcad | BulletCatcher: yes, the point is really to just be specific about what is included and not included |
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| 18:35.22 | brlcad | to borrow a page from the gnu folks, part of the idea that software should be by design and intentional, which means avoiding including entire subtrees when there may be things in that subtree not intended for distribution |
| 18:35.52 | spldart | BZ in 1080 is kewlio |
| 18:35.57 | brlcad | i don't entirely agree with them on that point, but that's part why it enumerates -- it's a maintenance annoyance, but there's no unintended inclusions |
| 18:36.47 | brlcad | if the entire subdir is included, you have to then go through and strip out the things that shouldn't be there like backup files, temp build files, svn dirs, etc |
| 18:37.29 | brlcad | and hope that there's not other files that get accidentally included (years down the road when people have long-forgotten |
| 18:46.22 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r19140 10/trunk/bzflag/src/platform/Makefile.am: stop the header listing insanity. make them noinst headers and just list them once. |
| 18:58.53 | trepan | hehe ... rendering 10000 boxes using bzflag, 46 fps; with lua 197 fps |
| 19:00.07 | trepan | (no sceneNode / renderNode / octree overhead with lua, draw 'em all, draw 'em fast -- dlist) |
| 19:01.38 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r19141 10/trunk/bzflag/src/platform/Makefile.am: one more replication cleanup. just list the source files once and include their corresponding file vars in the extra dist. simplify. |
| 19:02.09 | trepan | disabling luaworld (aka: removing the 10000 boxes): fps goes from 197 to 198 |
| 19:06.53 | me1 | heh |
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| 19:10.37 | eject_ck | Hi, I prepared UK translation and want to commit my translation to SVN. One problem I never used sourceforge's SVN to commit :). I have account already but during commit I see that my account don`t have enough permission on bzflag dir :). How can I ask access to it ? |
| 19:11.26 | Winny | you need to be a developer to commit |
| 19:11.53 | eject_ck | :) ok how to became developer ? |
| 19:12.28 | eject_ck | s/become |
| 19:12.34 | JeffM | you don't have commit access |
| 19:12.45 | JeffM | submit your translation as a patch to our patch tracker on SF |
| 19:12.50 | JeffM | and we will review it and add it |
| 19:13.19 | JeffM | there is a review stage ;) otherwise anyone could commit anything |
| 19:13.29 | eject_ck | OK |
| 19:14.25 | eject_ck | Then I should complete it first :). I think that I can commit working (not completely translated) file to SVN. |
| 19:14.46 | JeffM | you should sumbit it when you are ready for it to be reviewed for acceptance |
| 19:15.02 | JeffM | you will not be able to commit to SVN untill you have submited a number of patches |
| 19:15.08 | JeffM | and have gained a fair amount of trust |
| 19:15.14 | JeffM | currently you are an unknown |
| 19:15.19 | eject_ck | Btw, it's not patch - it's new language translation file. |
| 19:15.24 | JeffM | I know |
| 19:15.31 | JeffM | but you can submit it to our patch tracker |
| 19:15.36 | JeffM | as it stores "files" |
| 19:15.43 | JeffM | mostly it takes patch files |
| 19:15.46 | JeffM | but it will take any file |
| 19:15.46 | eject_ck | oh, now I understand :) |
| 19:15.54 | JeffM | just out of curiosity, how old are you? |
| 19:16.25 | eject_ck | 24 :) |
| 19:16.32 | JeffM | k |
| 19:16.37 | JeffM | just chill on the commit for a while |
| 19:16.47 | JeffM | do your translation and submit it as a patch |
| 19:16.53 | JeffM | and we'll go from there |
| 19:17.04 | iShock | Wait, UK translation? |
| 19:17.07 | eject_ck | I will complete translation tomorrow :-) |
| 19:17.11 | eject_ck | yep |
| 19:17.23 | JeffM | don't rush yourself |
| 19:17.31 | JeffM | you don't have to prove anything to anyone |
| 19:18.00 | eject_ck | JeffM: yes, I know :) |
| 19:18.33 | eject_ck | except mortgage  :) |
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| 19:23.29 | brlcad | eject_ck: if you hang out on irc and engage in the discussions, you can generally find a dev to review and commit your changes more quickly too (especially if you dive into source changes and not just translation) |
| 19:23.44 | iShock | I still don't get it |
| 19:23.48 | iShock | 'UK' translations? |
| 19:23.57 | trepan | colours and such ;-) |
| 19:25.57 | brlcad | that's loony talk! |
| 19:26.20 | brlcad | gone of his rocker |
| 19:26.28 | brlcad | yikes, I can't spell today |
| 19:26.38 | iShock | He went 'of' his rocker, all right .. So did you :> |
| 19:27.14 | brlcad | looney off my lawn |
| 19:27.37 | trepan | so the last big lua thing to wrap up is GL state management |
| 19:28.26 | trepan | two possibilities: 1) reset all GL state after each client has run a pass (ex: DrawWorld) -- this means clearing all matrix stacks and reset color, scissor, viewport, etc... |
| 19:28.43 | trepan | 2) use glPushAttrib(), and keep track of the matrix stack depths |
| 19:29.20 | trepan | 2 has the disadvantage of losing some matrix stack space, and makes display list management much more complex |
| 19:30.10 | trepan | but may make it a little faster (fwiw, #1 is used by Spring) |
| 19:31.55 | trepan | so we're all agreed, #1 :) |
| 19:32.40 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r19142 10/trunk/bzflag/src/platform/Makefile.am: and the last bit of refactoring to remove duplication. consolidate the SDL and X11 files. |
| 19:32.40 | iShock | :p |
| 19:33.07 | brlcad | trepan: yeah, #1 :) |
| 19:33.15 | iShock | Time to work on that map some more brlcad :o |
| 19:33.19 | brlcad | it's simpler, that alone is a good reason |
| 19:33.32 | brlcad | iShock: have fun! |
| 19:33.42 | iShock | Hm |
| 19:33.49 | iShock | Where would you suggest getting textures from? |
| 19:34.17 | Winny | make them...or find textures that are licensed for use |
| 19:34.35 | iShock | Ew, I suck at images. |
| 19:34.36 | trepan | brlcad: my thoughts exactly (coupled with the fact that it's much less work) |
| 19:34.37 | Winny | http://images.bzflag.org/ |
| 19:35.17 | Winny | iShock: that directory has many images, but some of them aren't licensed for use by others... I think |
| 19:36.05 | iShock | Public domain is fine right? |
| 19:36.19 | Winny | yes |
| 19:37.08 | iShock | Now how to use em .. |
| 19:37.15 | iShock | Never mind, to the wiki! |
| 19:43.50 | iShock | So far so good, now for something else pretty .. |
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| 19:54.52 | Winny | "boom" |
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| 19:56.21 | iShock | Point and laugh! QUICK! |
| 19:56.21 | blast007 | points at iShock and laughs |
| 19:56.21 | iShock | .. |
| 19:56.21 | iShock | crieas |
| 19:56.34 | iShock | cries |
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| 19:56.56 | iShock | 14:51 [freenode] -christel(i=christel@freenode/staff/exherbo.christel)- [Global Notice] Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen -- it's time for a somewhat late christmas pantomime.. I need to do a spot of rehubbing, it shouldn't take too long and you're welcome to point and laugh if it all breaks! Apologies for the inconvenience and have a nice day! |
| 19:57.04 | blast007 | I know |
| 19:57.27 | blast007 | but she didn't say *who* to point and laugh at ;) |
| 19:57.41 | me1 | huh |
| 19:57.44 | me1 | i didn't get that |
| 19:59.02 | me1 | and i'm +w :( |
| 20:00.27 | brlcad | Winny: if there are images in there that aren't licensed for use by others, that's a problem and they should be removed |
| 20:00.57 | Winny | brlcad: ah |
| 20:01.20 | iShock | Just need to find a nice pyr texture now |
| 20:09.16 | iShock | Cool. |
| 20:09.23 | iShock | Anyone wanna see what I've got so far? |
| 20:09.39 | iShock | Actually.. |
| 20:09.59 | iShock | Are there any textures of the base tops? |
| 20:11.49 | iShock | brlcad: Know of any? |
| 20:14.21 | iShock | Winny? |
| 20:16.05 | blast007 | iShock: sure |
| 20:16.13 | Winny | You can look yourself |
| 20:16.17 | blast007 | point to the ones in the local data directory |
| 20:16.31 | iShock | Ooh, interesting idea .. |
| 20:16.40 | me1 | likes Winny's base textures |
| 20:16.54 | me1 | iShock, for textures in the data dir, just right hte filename |
| 20:16.57 | me1 | s/right/write/ |
| 20:17.53 | iShock | texture blue_basetop.png? |
| 20:17.58 | Winny | indeed |
| 20:17.59 | me1 | yes |
| 20:18.36 | blast007 | for 2.0.x, at least |
| 20:19.17 | iShock | I'm an evil person. |
| 20:19.25 | blast007 | 2.99.x has a skins directory, so it'd be skins/blue/basetop.png |
| 20:19.31 | iShock | It's 2.0.x |
| 20:19.57 | blast007 | right, but just keep that in mind if even run 3.0 when it's released |
| 20:20.03 | blast007 | if you ever* |
| 20:20.43 | iShock | I will :P |
| 20:25.30 | me1 | why does my fps go down when i collid with a complex object? |
| 20:25.35 | me1 | in 2.99.x |
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| 20:27.59 | iShock | Hah, I failed :( |
| 20:30.02 | iShock | Eh, it's not the same :( |
| 20:31.35 | iShock | The top is real small and it repeats, the side is different |
| 20:31.52 | me1 | uv mapping, learn it :P |
| 20:32.08 | iShock | uv mapping? |
| 20:32.56 | iShock | texsize? |
| 20:34.37 | me1 | hmm, i though that you were going to make it so the flag is dropped at the end of a succesful pause countdown? |
| 20:35.37 | blast007 | me1: your FPS goes down because it has to calculate all of the collisions |
| 20:35.41 | blast007 | what kind of object is it? |
| 20:35.53 | me1 | the complex mesh on delusion's test server |
| 20:36.23 | me1 | and for my other comment, i think it was something odd on my end. It was taking my flag right as i started the countdown, but now it doesn't. :\ |
| 20:36.51 | me1 | and it's doing it again ;\ |
| 20:37.09 | me1 | CIA-64, help |
| 20:37.13 | me1 | nope |
| 20:39.07 | Flash | hmmmm. Interesting. |
| 20:39.22 | Flash | I installed the GNU build tools, and my autogen.sh is much less verbose now |
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| 20:40.45 | iShock | This stinks :( |
| 20:40.52 | iShock | I'm trying to entirely duplicate the blue base |
| 20:41.39 | blast007 | me1: building a new client quick |
| 20:41.47 | Winny | your best bet is to use a mesh |
| 20:42.22 | me1 | blast007, yeah, your probably right. I completly forgot that I have to calc collisions as well. |
| 20:42.22 | iShock | meshbox? |
| 20:42.30 | blast007 | why not a regular box? |
| 20:43.01 | iShock | I dunno, but it's not working. |
| 20:45.00 | iShock | My box: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/mc096416 |
| 20:45.13 | blast007 | try cardboard boxes: http://static.bzexcess.com/boxes03.png |
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| 20:45.48 | iShock | ... |
| 20:45.50 | me1 | side, not sides |
| 20:46.03 | iShock | sides or outsideAssigns a material to the x , x-, y , and y- sides of the box |
| 20:46.13 | me1 | oj |
| 20:46.14 | me1 | oh |
| 20:46.21 | iShock | :) |
| 20:46.38 | iShock | The textures are there, they're just not even close to being scaled right. |
| 20:46.48 | me1 | texcoord 1 1 1? |
| 20:46.58 | iShock | texcoord? |
| 20:47.03 | me1 | yup |
| 20:47.16 | me1 | iirc, that scales the textures to be the size of the face |
| 20:47.23 | me1 | "texcoord 1 1 1" |
| 20:47.52 | me1 | texcoord 2 2 1 scales it so there are two by two on each face |
| 20:47.55 | iShock | You sure you're not thing of texoffset or texsize? |
| 20:48.02 | me1 | texsize |
| 20:48.09 | me1 | sorry |
| 20:48.53 | me1 | oh, and it's only two numbes |
| 20:48.58 | me1 | so texsize 1 1 |
| 20:49.14 | me1 | (hehe, silly me, plains have only 2 dimensions!) |
| 20:49.27 | iShock | Plains? |
| 20:49.32 | iShock | hits me1 with planes |
| 20:49.37 | me1 | or is it planes? |
| 20:49.55 | trepan | depends, do you plan on grazing? |
| 20:50.30 | me1 | well, i thought planes flew |
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| 20:51.30 | iShock | Tops are fine now me1, but the sides are still different. |
| 20:51.38 | Winny | plain is something that is boring, or something with nothing on it |
| 20:55.47 | iShock | :( |
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| 20:56.18 | leeguy92 | lo, all |
| 20:57.05 | Flash | ~dict plain |
| 20:57.17 | Flash | oh |
| 20:57.21 | Flash | ~dict plane |
| 20:58.08 | Flash | are we randomly choosing definitions? the plane one is good, but why the archaic plain definition? |
| 21:00.35 | bryjen | yeah, i think they're random. note the (x of y). or you can |
| 21:00.41 | bryjen | ~dict 2 plain |
| 21:00.53 | bryjen | ~dict 3 plain |
| 21:03.31 | trepan | does anyone use the BSP anymore ? |
| 21:03.38 | Flash | I didn't want to wade through 24 definitions looking for "boring; uninteresting; without feature" |
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| 21:17.19 | iShock | So guys, I'm making fake bases. The top of the base is fine, but the side isn't quite the same. Any ideas? |
| 21:19.05 | JeffM | how are they different? |
| 21:19.58 | iShock | Repetitions of the texture |
| 21:20.10 | JeffM | how did you define the fake base? |
| 21:21.34 | JeffM | as a mesh or a meshbox? |
| 21:21.58 | iShock | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m6ace715f |
| 21:22.09 | JeffM | so meshbox |
| 21:22.34 | iShock | I guess :P |
| 21:22.51 | trepan | actually, that's a little different from 'meshbox', iirc |
| 21:22.51 | JeffM | add a texture matrix to the material to change the repeat |
| 21:23.00 | JeffM | yeah it's a meshbox that is faking a box |
| 21:23.16 | JeffM | but it's going to fake a box no a base |
| 21:23.18 | trepan | tried: sides texsize x y ? |
| 21:23.35 | JeffM | IIRC bases use a different repeat for sides then boxes |
| 21:23.47 | iShock | lost |
| 21:23.58 | iShock | I'm just trying to create 4 fake bases that cause you to die when you land on them |
| 21:24.07 | JeffM | real boxes arn't exactly a 1 UV/HV maping |
| 21:24.15 | trepan | 'sides texsize x y' should be the easier way to do it |
| 21:24.20 | trepan | assuming it works ;-) |
| 21:24.25 | SpazzyMcGee | meshboxes are UVd differently to normal boxes too |
| 21:24.30 | JeffM | yes |
| 21:26.04 | trepan | hehe, the engine vs. lua speed testing had a glitch; lua was rendering with a mirror |
| 21:26.14 | trepan | so it's better than reported ... |
| 21:26.52 | JeffM | and why can you not make the client work the same way? I don't think that lua is that magical. |
| 21:28.13 | trepan | magic, who said anything about magic |
| 21:28.34 | JeffM | the way you rave about it makes it seem nearly mytical ;) |
| 21:28.42 | JeffM | is it just the lack of the octree? |
| 21:29.07 | trepan | you probably could get similar results from the client using a grouped mesh |
| 21:29.17 | trepan | but ya, the lua interface is "all that" |
| 21:29.22 | JeffM | ahh, so not apples to apples, got it' |
| 21:29.25 | trepan | much faster dev'ing, much easier to code |
| 21:29.59 | trepan | as for engine box behaviour, not converting to one big mesh is the default state |
| 21:30.06 | trepan | so ya, it's still a fair test |
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| 22:28.23 | jcp | One thing that seems to be missing from the documentation on groups... |
| 22:28.29 | jcp | How do you specify which groups show the @ sign next to the user's name? |
| 22:28.47 | JeffM | they get @ if they have kick and ban perms |
| 22:30.26 | brad | (unless they have HIDEADMIN perm) |
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| 23:16.58 | delusional | here's my compile error, with OSX 10.5, and xcodebuild http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m586bb24b |
| 23:17.45 | delusional | if I open xcode and build in development configuration, i get a successful build, but no plugins |
| 23:18.52 | delusional | if I open up BZFlag.app/contents ... that's where the plugins are supposed to be, right? |
| 23:19.33 | delusional | should be a plugins and a plugins-disabled folder in there, right? |
| 23:27.28 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: just tried Ubuntu 8.10 in VMWare with their package of BZFlag, and I get stuck in teleporters with that too |
| 23:27.55 | blast007 | but in VectorLinux in a VM, I don't get stuck (think it was 2.0.8 there, and 2.0.10 on Ubuntu) |
| 23:33.12 | BulletCatcher | So there is something about Ubuntu. |
| 23:33.29 | BulletCatcher | (and I don't mean that in a good way) |
| 23:34.51 | blast007 | I might try with plain debian too |
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