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00:13.49CBG~blast007++
00:14.18CBGFor upgrading the forums and not beating down on the (unexpectedly) rude snick...
00:17.40WinnyCBG: when was snick here?
00:19.19CBGGuess you're kinda lucky I just unsilenced you, Winny, because now I can point out that I did not say he was here.
00:20.07WinnyAww isn't that nice of you. Just warms the cockles.
00:22.26CBGYeah, I sure felt warmed by your apparent assumption that I was being retarded too.
00:22.57trepanchestnuts warming on an open fire, da de da de dum dum udm
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01:10.18CIA-66BZFlag: 03blast007 * r19102 10/trunk/web/bzfls2/ (database.sql includes/datalayer.class.php): Add a prefix to the table names.
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02:51.57JeffM2501brlcad: dark or light?
02:52.11Winnyonce you go black..
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03:03.07dexter-yay blast007
03:03.11dexter-nice ^^
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04:51.06blast007JeffM2501: once we decide on a style, I'll hack in the quick reply
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05:05.54Winnyhello kitty
05:05.56Winnyduh
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10:15.29blubber12hello, i have a problem with identification in bzflag, it says "invalid callsign or password". But i am sure they are correct because they work at the bzbb. My callsign is "hmm!?".
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11:19.36delusionaljust change one letter in your name
11:19.55delusionalgloval registration will return eventually
11:20.00blubber13ok
11:22.44blubber13"Username must be between 3 and 20 chars long and use letter, number, space or -+_[] characters." the new board does not support ! or ? , thats the reason
11:22.47blubber13:(
11:24.40blubber13i removed the !? in my callsign, it works now
11:47.08delusionalyeah, thats right
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16:56.17Justicehey all
17:00.58JeffM2501hello
17:03.30TkTechsup
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17:07.16Winnywaits for fedex
17:18.17JeffM2501there, that should be a better interm theme
17:19.29joevanothere are some out there... i'll take a look
17:19.40JeffM2501joevano: I mean the one I swaped to
17:19.47JeffM2501we were going thru them last night
17:20.01WinnyWhat, no hello kitty?
17:20.13JeffM2501corupted archive, sorry
17:20.39Winnyaww
17:20.41JeffM2501I'll replace the icons later today
17:20.48JeffM2501at least these arn't horible to start
17:20.53Winnyyeah
17:20.55JeffM2501the header is nice and replaceable too
17:21.05Winnyit's actually distinguishable
17:21.13Winnythe last one, all the icons looked the same
17:21.17joevanoah i left out the "that should" when I read your comment... it is better
17:21.39JeffM2501it puts the user info back on the left too
17:21.45JeffM2501not sure I like that, but I'll live
17:22.10Winnyavatar needs a bit of a margin on top
17:22.28JeffM2501yeah
17:22.36JeffM2501I will probably redo the ranks to fit
17:22.40JeffM2501and I can pad them
17:23.00Winnyfine the class postavatar and add margin-top: 10px; or whatever
17:23.04Winnyfind*
17:23.09JeffM2501I think I'm going to square them off
17:23.17JeffM2501I have to get clean and take my rental car back
17:23.21JeffM2501so I'll do that when I get back
17:23.24Winnyhf
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17:44.23JeffM2501blast007: that theme also has a quick reply button already
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20:17.36JeffM2501brlcad: we need your help with mod security
20:19.00blast007JeffM2501: the quick reply has some options
20:19.08blast007do you want it hidden or shown by default?
20:19.12JeffM2501shown
20:19.15brlcadJeffM2501: okay, sup?
20:19.16blast007k
20:19.20brlcadand what was the black or white?
20:19.36JeffM2501brlcad: blast007 is having some issues with mod security eating the new fourms
20:19.41blast007brlcad: mod_security and phpbb3 aren't playing nice.
20:19.48brlcadblast007: ah, fun
20:19.51JeffM2501light or dark was for themes, but we picked one
20:20.05blast007I tried to edit a theme file via the AdminCP, and it gave me a forbidden page when I submit it
20:20.17blast007probably due to javascript
20:20.29blast007it's not a huge deal if we can't do that though
20:20.58blast007the one I'm more worried about is this:
20:20.59blast00713:20:18 < JeffM2501> getting a forbiden when I try to edit my sig
20:21.00blast00713:20:23 < JeffM2501> You don't have permission to access /bb/ucp.php on this server.
20:21.03brlcadoh, we can make anything pass
20:21.13blast007also, I think someone had a forbidden when trying to send a PM
20:21.28brlcadmod_security is basically a massive set of regular expressions in a given query context
20:21.45brlcadthey log to /var/log/httpd/audit.log
20:21.54blast00723:58:55 < delusional> Blast007.. I cant send a PM.  Forbidden:  You don't have permission to access /bb/ucp.php on this server.
20:22.54brlcadyep, there are a lot of ucp.php's in the log, looking
20:23.41blast007I see mine in there for /bb/adm/index.php?i=styles too
20:24.11blast007that regex makes my head explode
20:24.23brlcadmod_security-message: Access denied with code 403. Pattern match "\"" at POST_PAYLOAD [severity "EMERGENCY"]
20:24.46brlcadfirst stab is to update mod_security -- it's been quite a few months, might already be fixed
20:26.18blast007JeffM2501: I probably don't even need the quick reply button if we show it by default, but I'll leave it there for now
20:26.27JeffM2501k
20:28.00blast007guess I'll try the smilies/bbcode mod
20:28.08blast007have you seen how it looks currently?
20:28.24JeffM2501let me look
20:28.27JeffM2501been updating ranks
20:28.40JeffM2501okks fine so far
20:28.43JeffM2501box and 2 buttons
20:29.25blast007I can turn on/off the two buttons as well (it's an option to allow resizing the quick reply box)
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20:38.11blast007(Okay, nvm with the BBCode stuff. They don't have a mod for subsilver2, which is what this theme is based off)
20:45.34JeffM2501where should we keep the base artwork for stuff like the fourms
20:45.39JeffM2501aka, the PSD for the ranks
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20:49.39blast007could probably put it in SVN under web/ somewhere
20:52.46JeffM2501k
20:54.45JeffM2501I don't have perms to replace in the theme/images dir anymore
20:55.10blast007try now
20:55.44JeffM2501thanks
20:56.09JeffM2501cheeze header is now slighly less cheezy
20:56.33blast007brlcad: there's different options we can adjust in phpBB3 that can help reduce load, so if that's ever an issue, we can play around with those options
20:57.24JeffM2501I like that it caches out a lot of stuff
21:02.13CIA-66BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19103 10/trunk/web/art/ (12 files in 2 dirs): add the source art for our custom forum images ( ranks, icons, headers, etc..)
21:05.12JeffM2501ok... moderator log == awesome
21:09.17CBG~blast007++
21:09.22CBG~JeffM2501++
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21:44.47SpazzyMcGeeheh, I like the look of your rank, jeffM2501
21:45.31SpazzyMcGeeoh, he left
21:45.38SpazzyMcGeescratch that
21:46.13BulletCatcherFirefox sometimes gives me a "Failed to Connect" page for my.bzflag.org, which I assume means "connection refused".  Is the web server overloaded?
21:50.47SpazzyMcGeeI was getting that earlier - it was fine after a couple of refreshes, so I thought nothing of it.
21:50.47javawizard2539holy netsplit
21:50.48javawizard2539whoa
21:50.48javawizard2539more people
21:50.48BulletCatcherPatience....  They should be back soon.
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21:50.51javawizard2539There come some of them
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21:51.51javawizard2539Weird
21:51.51javawizard2539I must be super-new to IRC then
21:51.51BulletCatcherThat's a typical netsplit.  A bunch of people leave en masse, then rejoin a couple of minutes later.
21:51.51javawizard2539Yeah
21:51.51javawizard2539I
21:51.51BulletCatcherIf I understand correctly, from their point of view it was *we* who left.
21:51.51SpazzyMcGeeshh, stop talking behind their backs...
21:51.51javawizard2539I've just never seen one that big
21:51.51javawizard2539BulletCatcher: correct
21:52.13javawizard2539It's when a group of IRC servers (or one server) become isolated from the rest
21:52.13SpazzyMcGeethere's been bigger than that
21:52.14javawizard2539Each side sees only the people on their side of it, and the rest apear to have left
21:52.14javawizard2539How big?
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21:52.30SpazzyMcGeethey sometimes globally warn of them when there's maintenance going on
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21:52.30Winnydunno, count how many people left
21:52.47SpazzyMcGeespeak of the devil
21:52.47javawizard2539Interesting
21:53.04leeguy92hey, in the network protocol, is playerid a byte? and int? or what?? i assume it is big-endian.
21:53.04SpazzyMcGeeBut the size of it is going to depend on your point of view
21:53.37javawizard2539SpazzyMcGee: yeah, good point
21:53.37brlcadblast007: that was a bit tough to find, but the ucp 404 should be gone now for sigs, let me know if there are others
21:53.37javawizard2539If a few people get split, they will see a massive split (since everyone else is gone) and everyone else will only see a little split
21:59.10BulletCatcherleeguy92: Over the wire, a player ID is represented by an unsigned byte.
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22:06.06joevano~JeffM2501++
22:07.45joevano~blast007++
22:11.58joevanooh, i like that a moderator can split a thread in two...
22:12.23joevanoso when someone posts something that should be a new tread, you can just split it out
22:12.48blast007I think that was possible before
22:14.24joevanoreally.. it must not have been as obviuos
22:14.59joevanocould bans be less than permanent before as well?
22:15.16blast007nope
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22:15.18blast007that's a new feature
22:15.21blast007duration and reason
22:15.33blast007bans sucked before
22:16.03joevanoi am really liking the move, thanks blast007
22:32.23leeguy92ah, bulletcatcher i didnt notice u answered, i was playin bz. what is done with all of that space in the frames, then?
22:32.45leeguy92ive been readin the network protocol in the wiki, each ID seems to get 8 bytes
22:33.03leeguy92i didnt know u could have 16,777 trillion ppls playing at once, lol
22:34.15leeguy92im gonna look at a frame in my network analyser
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22:43.52leeguy92yup, the wiki is wrong. VERY wrong
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23:24.22blast007leeguy92: I don't think any of our network documentation is very up to date
23:24.50leeguy92yeah, seems like it
23:25.08leeguy92are u doing any massive changes for bz 3?
23:25.13leeguy92to the networking?
23:25.18blast007we've done changes, yes
23:25.36leeguy92hmm
23:25.43blast007I haven't really kept track of what
23:26.03blast007but there is quite a bit from what I can recall
23:26.28leeguy92the message codes should be easiest to figure out with wireshark.
23:26.36leeguy92i dont trust the ones in the wiki
23:26.56blast007look at the code
23:27.19blast007we have all of the message types in some header
23:27.39blast007./include/Protocol.h
23:28.20blast007and I wouldn't necessarily trust the "server communication protocol" comment at the end of that file
23:28.28blast007that's probably not been updated either
23:28.34trepani see that SceneRenderer.h stil has the depthRange weirdness
23:28.40trepananyone mind if it disappears?
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