| 00:03.12 | JefferyM | 2.2, wow |
| 00:03.36 | JefferyM | so it's been feature complete for a full version and now has extended enhancements? |
| 00:16.11 | iShock | JefferyM: I get this error building 2.0.8, any idea how to fix? |
| 00:16.13 | iShock | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m14de9081 |
| 00:16.29 | JefferyM | what OS? |
| 00:16.34 | iShock | Linux |
| 00:16.50 | JefferyM | what distro? |
| 00:17.06 | iShock | Xubuntu |
| 00:17.17 | JefferyM | did you run configure and autogen? |
| 00:17.24 | JefferyM | well autogen and configure? |
| 00:17.24 | iShock | Yeah. |
| 00:17.37 | JefferyM | why are you building such an old version? |
| 00:17.57 | iShock | it's not super old, and I want to see all the ways that bzflag has changed from version to version |
| 00:18.12 | JefferyM | many of the older versions don't work in newer tools |
| 00:18.18 | JefferyM | thats why we make newer versions |
| 00:18.27 | JefferyM | .8 isn't that different from 12 |
| 00:18.36 | JefferyM | the last thign with real "features" was .6 |
| 00:18.45 | JefferyM | and even then it wasn't much |
| 00:19.04 | iShock | I'm sure there were some changes, graphics, quality etc .. What do I need older versions of for 2.0.8? |
| 00:19.07 | JefferyM | does 2.0.12 build correctly for you? |
| 00:19.16 | JefferyM | no, no graphics changed in that version |
| 00:19.33 | JefferyM | the graphics system hasn't changed much since 2.0 |
| 00:19.44 | JefferyM | the entire 2.0.x line is compatable |
| 00:19.48 | JefferyM | so it stays the same |
| 00:19.56 | JefferyM | 3.0 s the breaking release |
| 00:20.10 | JefferyM | 1.7, 1.10, 2.0, 3.0 those are our majors |
| 00:20.31 | iShock | I can't wait to see 3.0 |
| 00:20.37 | JefferyM | you can see it now |
| 00:20.38 | JefferyM | build it |
| 00:20.41 | JefferyM | it's in SVN |
| 00:20.46 | iShock | Oh coolio |
| 00:20.48 | iShock | What about bzfs? |
| 00:20.58 | JefferyM | what about it? |
| 00:21.05 | JefferyM | it'll build to |
| 00:21.20 | iShock | Oh, mmk. |
| 00:21.42 | iShock | Big difference from 2.0.x? |
| 00:21.42 | JefferyM | the source is for the game, the server, the admin tool, and all the plugins |
| 00:21.52 | JefferyM | couple new flags |
| 00:21.54 | JefferyM | new shots |
| 00:22.01 | JefferyM | server chagnes, etc |
| 00:22.23 | iShock | What new flags? :o |
| 00:22.43 | JefferyM | LG, and CS I think |
| 00:22.59 | iShock | LG and CS ... /me itches head |
| 00:23.04 | iShock | Do 2.0 maps work with 3.0? |
| 00:23.05 | JefferyM | low gravity |
| 00:23.07 | JefferyM | sure |
| 00:23.10 | iShock | goodie |
| 00:23.12 | JefferyM | and cloaked shot |
| 00:23.21 | iShock | Like ST for shots? |
| 00:23.21 | JefferyM | 2.0.8 was released in 2006 |
| 00:23.23 | JefferyM | it's old |
| 00:23.24 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 00:23.35 | iShock | Cool |
| 00:23.45 | iShock | I'll have to set up my map with 3.0 |
| 00:23.49 | iShock | Or just go steal someone elses |
| 00:23.56 | JefferyM | stealing is bad |
| 00:24.13 | iShock | I didn't mean literally |
| 00:24.18 | iShock | I'd ask for permission! |
| 00:24.23 | JefferyM | doubtfull |
| 00:24.34 | JefferyM | you do not need a map file to run bzfs |
| 00:24.37 | JefferyM | you know that right? |
| 00:24.39 | iShock | Yeah |
| 00:24.55 | iShock | It'll generate a random one |
| 00:25.13 | iShock | How buggy is the 3.0 client? |
| 00:25.33 | JefferyM | it has had less testing then the 2.0.12 one |
| 00:26.29 | iShock | And 3.0 client does't work with 2.0 servers, does it? |
| 00:26.33 | JefferyM | nope |
| 00:26.42 | iShock | Eugh. |
| 00:26.44 | iShock | Oh well. |
| 00:26.50 | iShock | Hm |
| 00:26.54 | JefferyM | that would be the point of making BREAKING changes |
| 00:27.19 | iShock | Is the purpose of 3.0 to stamp out cheating? At least partly? |
| 00:27.27 | JefferyM | no |
| 00:27.36 | JefferyM | it is not possible to stop all cheating |
| 00:27.43 | iShock | But some? |
| 00:27.46 | JefferyM | 3.0 has some things that will make some current cheats harder |
| 00:28.21 | iShock | Where's the bzflag svn lol |
| 00:28.30 | JefferyM | lol on sourceforge |
| 00:28.34 | JefferyM | lol check |
| 00:28.36 | JefferyM | lol the |
| 00:28.39 | JefferyM | lol wiki |
| 00:29.14 | nn-main | JefferyM, 2.2 stands for secound main version secound edition |
| 00:29.26 | JefferyM | nn-main, I Know what it means |
| 00:29.34 | JefferyM | but what you have there is not a "main" version |
| 00:29.34 | nn-main | lol |
| 00:29.35 | iShock | lol why |
| 00:29.38 | iShock | lol start |
| 00:29.40 | iShock | lol everything |
| 00:29.41 | iShock | lol with |
| 00:29.43 | iShock | lol lol |
| 00:29.44 | JefferyM | because it's anoying |
| 00:29.48 | JefferyM | and childish |
| 00:29.57 | JefferyM | and it seems to be what gets thru to you |
| 00:30.00 | iShock | http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/trunk/bzflag/ ? |
| 00:30.09 | JefferyM | I guess not |
| 00:30.17 | JefferyM | ibot bzsvn |
| 00:30.18 | ibot | i heard bzsvn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag bzflag |
| 00:31.04 | iShock | Amazing |
| 00:31.10 | iShock | I actually didn't have subversion installed .. |
| 00:31.22 | JefferyM | it is rarely a default app |
| 00:31.35 | iShock | But I'd have sworn .. Oh, that was on my server box |
| 00:32.03 | iShock | I'm really wondering if it'll build. |
| 00:32.07 | iShock | I couldn't even build 2.0.12 |
| 00:32.20 | JefferyM | what didn't build on .12? |
| 00:32.22 | JefferyM | same error? |
| 00:32.25 | iShock | No |
| 00:32.47 | iShock | I'll survive with the bzflag from apt |
| 00:33.23 | iShock | And 3.0 |
| 00:36.05 | iShock | Holy ... autogen is sloow |
| 00:37.30 | JefferyM | you can have it fast, cheap, or good. pick 2 |
| 00:37.48 | iShock | Good and fast |
| 00:37.48 | iShock | :< |
| 00:37.56 | iShock | But still |
| 00:37.57 | JefferyM | then show me the money |
| 00:38.02 | iShock | How long should autogen take? |
| 00:38.09 | JefferyM | depends on your system |
| 00:38.17 | JefferyM | what are you running on |
| 00:38.45 | iShock | Xubuntu 8.10 acer aspire 3690 lappy, it doesn't take this long with 2.0.12 etc |
| 00:38.52 | JefferyM | what CPU? |
| 00:38.58 | JefferyM | yes 3.0 has a new build system |
| 00:39.00 | iShock | Intel |
| 00:39.01 | nn-main | wow the map im making has 2636 objects in it ... I hope bzflag can handle that |
| 00:39.03 | JefferyM | it's much more robust |
| 00:39.12 | JefferyM | , intell. what speed genius |
| 00:39.29 | iShock | model name: Intel(R) Celeron(R) M CPU 420 @ 1.60GHz |
| 00:39.33 | JefferyM | nn-main, no there is a limt of 2623 objects |
| 00:39.39 | JefferyM | iShock, yeah slow machine |
| 00:39.41 | JefferyM | it'll take a bit |
| 00:39.51 | nn-main | aug |
| 00:40.00 | iShock | Can't wait till I get my new lappy in august :) |
| 00:40.13 | JefferyM | what are you getting? |
| 00:40.44 | JefferyM | nn-main, there is no efective limit |
| 00:40.49 | iShock | http://www.gateway.com/programs/mseries/index.php?cmpid=topnav_computers |
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| 00:40.58 | JefferyM | the ojbect count affects speed |
| 00:41.13 | JefferyM | iShock, I'm sorry, my condolences |
| 00:41.27 | iShock | Heh, why? |
| 00:41.40 | JefferyM | it's a gateway |
| 00:41.43 | JefferyM | a retail gateway |
| 00:41.43 | iShock | So? |
| 00:41.51 | iShock | I'm gettin it @ walmart :< |
| 00:41.54 | JefferyM | they are .. not so good |
| 00:42.00 | iShock | 4GB system ram |
| 00:42.01 | JefferyM | yeah retail gateways are even worse |
| 00:42.11 | iShock | 250GB hd |
| 00:42.14 | JefferyM | that's prety much the standard |
| 00:42.28 | iShock | http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10575188&cmpid=greatdeals |
| 00:42.34 | iShock | But we're poor |
| 00:42.35 | javawizard2539 | iShock: You should get like a 1.5TB hard drive |
| 00:42.39 | javawizard2539 | oh, nvm |
| 00:42.43 | javawizard2539 | they're like $300 |
| 00:42.45 | JefferyM | I highly doubt that it will still be there next year |
| 00:43.01 | iShock | Why? |
| 00:43.07 | JefferyM | computers change fast |
| 00:43.19 | iShock | Eh |
| 00:43.20 | JefferyM | that's allready an out of production machine |
| 00:43.25 | JefferyM | that's why it's at wallmart |
| 00:43.31 | iShock | Maybe there'll be a cooler new one come feb |
| 00:43.36 | JefferyM | it's a Pentium |
| 00:43.41 | JefferyM | thems old |
| 00:43.59 | iShock | I've got around an $800 max |
| 00:43.59 | spldart | 0_o |
| 00:44.02 | iShock | For a good lappy |
| 00:44.07 | iShock | for bzflag and interwebs mostly |
| 00:44.14 | JefferyM | you can do better then that |
| 00:44.59 | JefferyM | if you want to play bzflag, then you don't want one with intel onboard graphics |
| 00:45.03 | iShock | I gotta admit, I like the 2.99.13 ./configure better than the 2.0.x series |
| 00:45.37 | iShock | What kind do I want? |
| 00:45.50 | JefferyM | what OS are you going to run? |
| 00:46.00 | iShock | Windows probabluy |
| 00:46.09 | JefferyM | then ether ATI or nvidia |
| 00:46.47 | JefferyM | but if your purchase time is next year in august, then wait till july to see what is available |
| 00:46.59 | iShock | It's feb |
| 00:47.15 | iShock | I shall has the money in feb |
| 00:47.25 | JefferyM | then why did you say august? |
| 00:47.40 | iShock | I didn't. |
| 00:47.52 | iShock | 19:39 <@JefferyM> it'll take a bit |
| 00:47.52 | iShock | 19:39 < nn-main> aug |
| 00:47.54 | JefferyM | 18<iShock> Can't wait till I get my new lappy in august :) |
| 00:48.00 | iShock | I did? |
| 00:48.02 | iShock | fail |
| 00:48.02 | JefferyM | I can read you know |
| 00:48.06 | iShock | facepalm |
| 00:48.24 | iShock | Sorry :< |
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| 00:50.22 | iShock | Serverop? |
| 00:50.52 | iShock | ibot serverop |
| 00:50.55 | iShock | :( |
| 00:51.00 | JefferyM | what are you trying to do? |
| 00:51.08 | iShock | Find out what a serverop is :o |
| 00:51.16 | JefferyM | someone who runs a server |
| 00:51.31 | Erroneous | operates it even |
| 00:51.32 | iShock | Oh. |
| 00:53.07 | iShock | falls asleep looking at 2.99.13 make |
| 00:53.21 | JefferyM | again, we don't need the play by play |
| 00:53.25 | JefferyM | you need a blog |
| 00:53.26 | JefferyM | go get one |
| 00:53.40 | iShock | Why do I need one? |
| 00:53.54 | JefferyM | becuase you seem to have this need to tell everyone what you are doing |
| 00:54.12 | iShock | I have a blog, but that's not the point. |
| 00:54.31 | JefferyM | then what, praytell, would be the point? |
| 00:55.04 | delusional | that is the xorrext question |
| 00:55.06 | iShock | I went through a section with a bunch of warnings. |
| 00:55.22 | JefferyM | and you felt the need to tell us why? |
| 00:55.50 | iShock | You're a project admin? |
| 00:55.57 | JefferyM | yes |
| 00:56.05 | JefferyM | and I Need to know where you are in the build why? |
| 00:58.36 | JefferyM | I"m not trying to be rude or anything, it' s just that you are babbling a bit, and your constant comments about trivial things are getting a little anoying. |
| 00:58.44 | iShock | Sorry :( |
| 00:58.47 | JefferyM | sure if you find a problem, or have a real question, please ask it |
| 00:58.58 | JefferyM | but we don't need to know what you are doing at every step of the way |
| 00:59.07 | JefferyM | honestly, we just don't care that much |
| 00:59.24 | iShock | How long does the make take? |
| 00:59.30 | JefferyM | we don't know |
| 00:59.34 | JefferyM | it depends on your machine |
| 00:59.43 | JefferyM | I would expect yours to finish in less then an hour |
| 01:00.02 | JefferyM | on windows at home I can build in under 10 min |
| 01:00.09 | JefferyM | at work, in under 2 |
| 01:00.23 | JefferyM | on linux probalby under 25 if I use a single core |
| 01:01.23 | spldart | If you set your environment right then linux on multi core or multi processor is pretty quick :) |
| 01:01.25 | JefferyM | a 1.6 gig celly ain't exactly a speed deamon |
| 01:01.55 | JefferyM | spldart, yeah I just have to get nix setup on the quad one of these days |
| 01:01.56 | iShock | True ... well, I'm up to bzadmin :< |
| 01:02.05 | JefferyM | that's good |
| 01:02.13 | JefferyM | that means the base libs are done |
| 01:03.24 | iShock | Oh cool |
| 01:03.25 | iShock | Elapsed compilation time: 20 minutes, 22 seconds |
| 01:03.32 | JefferyM | fun |
| 01:03.36 | JefferyM | there ya go then |
| 01:03.46 | iShock | Let's see this thing |
| 01:04.36 | iShock | Cute .. Can't create window. Exiting. |
| 01:05.02 | JefferyM | try -window 800x600 |
| 01:05.18 | iShock | Same error. |
| 01:05.31 | JefferyM | that sucks |
| 01:05.41 | JefferyM | do you have the sdl-dev package? |
| 01:05.42 | iShock | Very. |
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| 01:08.52 | iShock | If I reconfigure and remake is it gonna take that long again |
| 01:08.54 | iShock | ? |
| 01:09.02 | JefferyM | probably |
| 01:09.05 | JefferyM | do you have the sdl-dev package? |
| 01:09.14 | iShock | I do now :P |
| 01:09.48 | spldart | Take a bit more time to type your statements and responses.. it's easier to understand that way ;) |
| 01:12.00 | iShock | How do I configure it to just build the bzflag client and server? |
| 01:12.07 | spldart | I have that problem sometimes... That and a lack of succint composition :) |
| 01:12.08 | iShock | No BZRobots or bzadmin |
| 01:15.04 | iShock | pokes spldart |
| 01:15.05 | spldart | Huh.. I've at times --disable-client but not bzadmin :-/ hrm |
| 01:15.07 | JefferyM | there are options, I odn't rember what they were |
| 01:15.13 | iShock | K |
| 01:16.30 | iShock | Just for future info |
| 01:16.31 | iShock | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.31 | iShock | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:17.24 | JefferyM | isn't reading the docs fun :) |
| 01:17.33 | iShock | Not as much as ./configure --help |
| 01:17.37 | spldart | heh |
| 01:17.41 | JefferyM | those would be the docs |
| 01:18.22 | spldart | ... someones excited to be building bzflag ;) .... ah the memories... |
| 01:18.26 | spldart | runs away |
| 01:18.43 | JefferyM | kids are excided to do anything |
| 01:19.13 | spldart | 8-) |
| 01:19.18 | iShock | Same error. :( I'm 15. |
| 01:19.28 | spldart | Indeed |
| 01:19.35 | JefferyM | I know you are |
| 01:19.41 | JefferyM | hence the term I used |
| 01:20.40 | iShock | Still can't create window. |
| 01:20.49 | JefferyM | and .12 runs fine for you? |
| 01:21.06 | iShock | Not .12, but .10 |
| 01:21.17 | JefferyM | dunno then |
| 01:21.36 | JefferyM | I don't use linux personaly |
| 01:22.12 | iShock | :( |
| 01:24.26 | iShock | There an error file hiding somewhere? |
| 01:24.33 | JefferyM | no |
| 01:25.03 | JefferyM | if that is the error you get, then X windows is fialing when we ask it to make the window |
| 01:25.03 | JefferyM | it's one of the first thigns we do |
| 01:25.29 | iShock | Could it be a problem with Xfce? |
| 01:25.40 | JefferyM | what is xfce? |
| 01:25.56 | spldart | a window manager... or did he put the letter out of order? |
| 01:26.05 | JefferyM | I don't know |
| 01:26.07 | iShock | It's like GNOME/KDE |
| 01:26.12 | JefferyM | we asked X to make it a window |
| 01:26.13 | JefferyM | it failed |
| 01:26.14 | spldart | It's less than gnome |
| 01:26.15 | JefferyM | we quit |
| 01:26.26 | spldart | In other words not xfce fault |
| 01:26.31 | JefferyM | well, we asked SDL to make a window, it asked X, and it failed :) |
| 01:26.36 | spldart | is your 3d good... |
| 01:26.51 | iShock | Should be, I have no problems at all with 2.0.10 |
| 01:27.01 | spldart | harumpth |
| 01:27.37 | spldart | sry.. I'm not xubuntu here... debian etch on this particular rig... still experimenting with 2.99 on lenny though on another rig |
| 01:27.39 | iShock | Old openGL driver versions? |
| 01:27.54 | JefferyM | should not matter if .10 works |
| 01:28.01 | JefferyM | .10 used SDL too |
| 01:28.47 | iShock | What does 2.0.10 do different than 2.99.x to create the window? |
| 01:28.54 | JefferyM | not much |
| 01:29.58 | iShock | Brb, gonna restart |
| 01:30.35 | delusional | >shoe |
| 01:32.21 | iShock | Back, no change. |
| 01:32.34 | JefferyM | restarts rarely help in linux |
| 01:32.45 | iShock | I was restarting X |
| 01:32.50 | spldart | Still.. that was fast.. Oh.... |
| 01:32.50 | JefferyM | restarts rarely help in linux |
| 01:33.12 | iShock | What should I check? |
| 01:33.42 | JefferyM | if it was me I'd use a debuger, throw a breakpoint in the platform code that is failing and see what errors X is throwing |
| 01:34.00 | iShock | ..What? |
| 01:34.10 | spldart | would he need to config for debug? |
| 01:34.22 | JefferyM | he would need to be a developer |
| 01:34.27 | spldart | ah |
| 01:34.27 | JefferyM | it is not something I'd expect him to do |
| 01:34.31 | spldart | k |
| 01:34.34 | spldart | I'll hush |
| 01:34.36 | JefferyM | it is dev code |
| 01:34.43 | JefferyM | it needs to be debuged |
| 01:36.07 | JefferyM | the only thing that comes to mind is it could be a bad config upgrade from 2.0 |
| 01:36.52 | iShock | ~/.bzf/2.0/config.cfg? |
| 01:37.01 | spldart | wow.... this rig is slow.... 2.99 code fresh build after 'make dist-clean' and --enable-debug is 29 minutes... Nice was set but stilll.. nothing cpu intensive was running. XP 2500+. I know I know, very old hehe |
| 01:37.01 | JefferyM | yep |
| 01:37.19 | JefferyM | spldart, that's a slow old computer |
| 01:37.23 | spldart | yep |
| 01:37.27 | JefferyM | get a new one |
| 01:37.32 | spldart | I'm not on my fastest antique right now |
| 01:38.00 | spldart | My new computer is on back burner.. hurricane ike kinda destroyed my plans for quite a while |
| 01:38.30 | JefferyM | wonders why people live in texas |
| 01:38.50 | spldart | wonders why people live in cali. |
| 01:39.02 | spldart | The shaking would make me nauseous ;-p |
| 01:39.08 | JefferyM | cus it's nice and we don't get huricaned :) |
| 01:39.11 | JefferyM | heh |
| 01:39.22 | iShock | Hm. Should I uninstall 2.0.10? |
| 01:39.32 | JefferyM | that's the problem with texans, they expect we get quakes as often as you get huricanes |
| 01:39.35 | spldart | I went through an earthquake in Narita Japan and that was not pleasant. |
| 01:39.37 | JefferyM | iShock, not unless you want to |
| 01:39.41 | JefferyM | it won't do anything |
| 01:39.53 | JefferyM | throw away your .bzf dir, and run 3.0 |
| 01:39.59 | iShock | rm -rf ~/.bzf? |
| 01:40.10 | JefferyM | please enter root password |
| 01:40.26 | iShock | Doesn't need root |
| 01:40.36 | JefferyM | who said anything about it |
| 01:41.10 | iShock | You said please enter root password |
| 01:41.18 | spldart | heh |
| 01:41.20 | JefferyM | I know |
| 01:41.24 | JefferyM | so enter it |
| 01:41.28 | iShock | Why? |
| 01:41.29 | JefferyM | here |
| 01:41.31 | JefferyM | so I can have it |
| 01:42.21 | iShock | tries sudo make install |
| 01:43.14 | iShock | Still the same error. :( |
| 01:43.33 | JefferyM | oh well |
| 01:43.58 | iShock | Has to be something I can do .. |
| 01:44.08 | JefferyM | how much C++ do you know |
| 01:44.12 | spldart | Why are you building the in-dev code anywho? |
| 01:44.20 | JefferyM | he wanted to see it |
| 01:44.24 | spldart | ah |
| 01:44.30 | iShock | Want to try it, spldart. JefferyM, like none. |
| 01:44.34 | spldart | I guess I'm guilty of that too. |
| 01:44.58 | JefferyM | iShock, then all you can really do is go spend a couple weeks learning it, and how to debug and then figure out why it's failing. |
| 01:45.15 | iShock | And you can't help me with it why? |
| 01:45.26 | spldart | Cuz he's very VERY busy |
| 01:45.28 | JefferyM | because bzflag != C++ school |
| 01:45.31 | spldart | As a head dev guy |
| 01:45.44 | JefferyM | because I don't have your system |
| 01:45.45 | JefferyM | or your problem |
| 01:45.55 | spldart | Oh.. and there is that. |
| 01:45.59 | iShock | Apparently you have some C++ to debug it .. |
| 01:46.01 | JefferyM | I'll report it to a linux dev and they'll see if they can dupe it |
| 01:46.13 | JefferyM | you have to have knowledge |
| 01:46.21 | JefferyM | and I'm not here to teach you how to be a programer |
| 01:46.26 | JefferyM | there are better places on the net for that |
| 01:46.48 | JefferyM | I've done all the basics that I can think of |
| 01:46.48 | iShock | You can't give me your C++ code to compile? |
| 01:46.58 | JefferyM | you have the C## code |
| 01:47.01 | JefferyM | and you just built it |
| 01:47.08 | JefferyM | what you need is not software |
| 01:47.13 | JefferyM | it is knowledge |
| 01:47.35 | JefferyM | you have to know how to use the debuger and step thru the program to see what X dosn't like |
| 01:47.41 | JefferyM | and no I can't just "Give" you that |
| 01:47.52 | JefferyM | you have the same C++ code I have |
| 01:48.00 | spldart | I've had one successful build in lenny. Not the best performing like there was a accell issue. And numerous succesful builds in etch. Ishock, your gonna have to tinker, google, and learn as yah go. |
| 01:49.20 | spldart | really needs to get back on an exhaustive list of dependencies list for lenny again soon. |
| 01:49.42 | JefferyM | ponders what to have for dinner |
| 01:50.09 | spldart | almost got chicken fried rice from panda gardens but settled for nuked tv dinner. |
| 01:50.21 | spldart | maybe chinese food tomorrow |
| 01:51.49 | blast007 | iShock: what distro is that? |
| 01:52.06 | iShock | blast007: Xubuntu .. And guess what |
| 01:52.20 | blast007 | chicken butt? |
| 01:52.34 | iShock | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m6f51721e |
| 01:52.39 | iShock | I installed libsdl-dev |
| 01:53.31 | blast007 | try running the command 'sdl-config' at the terminal you're using to compile |
| 01:53.50 | iShock | Usage: sdl-config [--prefix[=DIR]] [--exec-prefix[=DIR]] [--version] [--cflags] [--libs] [--static-libs] |
| 01:54.11 | blast007 | k, and then add --version after it. what version do you have? |
| 01:54.23 | iShock | 1.2.12 |
| 01:54.45 | blast007 | and you ran ./configure again *after* you installed that package? |
| 01:54.56 | iShock | Yeah. |
| 01:55.02 | blast007 | odd |
| 01:55.04 | iShock | I had just ./configured that when I got the error. |
| 01:55.20 | iShock | checking for SDL framework... no |
| 01:55.20 | iShock | checking for sdl-config... (cached) no |
| 01:55.21 | iShock | checking for SDL - version >= 1.2.10... no |
| 01:55.34 | JefferyM | blast007, 2.0.10 works for him |
| 01:55.38 | JefferyM | so it's wierd |
| 01:55.43 | blast007 | JefferyM: right, but from a binary |
| 01:55.49 | blast007 | he didn't build it |
| 01:55.54 | JefferyM | yeah, but it still should call the same SDL |
| 01:56.00 | iShock | It built without sdl |
| 01:56.05 | iShock | Er |
| 01:56.05 | JefferyM | yeah it will |
| 01:56.10 | iShock | I didn't have SDL with that one |
| 01:56.23 | JefferyM | there is code for the older X only API |
| 01:56.31 | JefferyM | the binary you got should have had SDL |
| 01:56.39 | iShock | apt-get install bzflag |
| 01:56.40 | JefferyM | but you have done trunk with and with out SDL |
| 01:56.45 | JefferyM | so I doubt it's SDL |
| 01:56.54 | iShock | It can't find SDL with the trunk |
| 01:56.58 | blast007 | his trunk never built with SDL |
| 01:57.02 | JefferyM | oh |
| 01:57.02 | iShock | ^ |
| 01:57.16 | JefferyM | you said you did the configure after you installed SDL dev |
| 01:57.20 | blast007 | iShock: close down your terminal, delete the checkout, and start over ;) |
| 01:57.22 | iShock | Yeah. |
| 01:57.27 | JefferyM | yeah bad tree |
| 01:58.06 | iShock | ibot bzsvn |
| 01:58.07 | ibot | from memory, bzsvn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag bzflag |
| 01:59.33 | iShock | Why close the terminal? |
| 02:02.32 | iShock | More importantly, what the hell is wrong with me? |
| 02:03.41 | iShock | blast007: That was a serious question btw :P |
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| 02:10.32 | iShock | MindstormsKid! |
| 02:10.41 | MindstormsKid | iShock..? |
| 02:10.47 | iShock | Oh |
| 02:10.48 | iShock | Lee |
| 02:10.49 | MindstormsKid | Lee! |
| 02:10.51 | MindstormsKid | :P |
| 02:10.53 | iShock | :o |
| 02:11.01 | iShock | Hm. |
| 02:11.07 | iShock | This 3.0 build is going much faster. |
| 02:11.12 | iShock | And it's actually building with DSL. |
| 02:11.15 | iShock | SDL, too. |
| 02:11.34 | MindstormsKid | looked at your info when right before you said that :P |
| 02:11.47 | MindstormsKid | has no idea what you're talking about :P |
| 02:12.16 | iShock | MindstormsKid: I'm building 2.99.13 |
| 02:12.29 | MindstormsKid | building..? |
| 02:12.38 | iShock | Linux. |
| 02:12.56 | MindstormsKid | compiling? |
| 02:13.01 | iShock | Yes. |
| 02:13.29 | MindstormsKid | ok |
| 02:13.37 | iShock | It takes like 20 minutes on this box. |
| 02:13.46 | MindstormsKid | :O |
| 02:14.13 | iShock | blast007 run away? |
| 02:14.43 | MindstormsKid | what do you need help with? |
| 02:17.56 | MindstormsKid | pokes iShock |
| 02:18.13 | iShock | A bunch of warnings building 3.0 |
| 02:18.22 | MindstormsKid | ....oh |
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| 02:25.12 | iShock | Eh. Closer, but yet another error. :( |
| 02:25.17 | iShock | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lftgl |
| 02:25.17 | iShock | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 02:25.17 | iShock | make[2]: *** [bzflag] Error 1 |
| 02:25.46 | MindstormsKid | points at JeffM |
| 02:26.18 | JeffM | we should be building FTGL |
| 02:27.10 | iShock | Why should we? |
| 02:27.13 | iShock | Is it required? |
| 02:27.26 | Winny | it's the font system |
| 02:28.45 | iShock | Oh. |
| 02:34.41 | JeffM | so yes |
| 02:34.51 | JeffM | with out it, no text |
| 02:36.18 | iShock | Heh, I forced it to build already |
| 02:36.18 | iShock | It's making now. |
| 02:39.52 | blast007 | iShock: as for closing the terminal, that was just in case the environment changed from installing that package |
| 02:40.56 | blast007 | might have to force it to build with our FTGL. |
| 02:41.12 | iShock | I did, it's going again |
| 02:41.21 | blast007 | k |
| 02:43.13 | JeffM | nn-main, are you just lazy as heck? or do you not care? |
| 02:49.34 | iShock | Ftw. |
| 02:49.42 | iShock | 3.0 is FTW. |
| 02:49.53 | MindstormsKid | how../ |
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| 02:51.57 | iShock | Are there any bzflag 3.0 servers with players? |
| 02:52.05 | blast007 | no :P |
| 02:52.13 | blast007 | iShock: adjust the shot length option (think it's under the Effect Settings menu) |
| 02:52.21 | blast007 | that turns on a new shot style that looks awesome |
| 02:52.45 | iShock | The laser-like one? |
| 02:52.47 | blast007 | we have three different styles at the moment |
| 02:52.50 | MindstormsKid | :O |
| 02:52.51 | blast007 | no, a different one |
| 02:52.53 | iShock | Hm |
| 02:52.57 | iShock | You got bzflag 3 built? |
| 02:53.02 | MindstormsKid | oooh is this for windows yet? :D |
| 02:53.03 | blast007 | at home I do |
| 02:53.09 | iShock | But you're not @ home? |
| 02:53.10 | blast007 | MindstormsKid: uh, it always is... |
| 02:53.14 | blast007 | iShock: no, at work |
| 02:53.18 | blast007 | but just about to leave |
| 02:53.18 | iShock | Darn. |
| 02:53.23 | iShock | How long does the trip home take? |
| 02:53.26 | blast007 | if you're around in an hour I could play |
| 02:53.42 | blast007 | (about 40 minutes) |
| 02:53.53 | iShock | I might be. |
| 02:53.56 | MindstormsKid | blast007: where do i get it? :P |
| 02:54.00 | iShock | Shot length? |
| 02:54.07 | blast007 | iShock: think it was called that, yeah |
| 02:54.15 | blast007 | MindstormsKid: get the code from SVN and compile it |
| 02:54.24 | MindstormsKid | >_> |
| 02:54.26 | MindstormsKid | <_< |
| 02:54.35 | MindstormsKid | how do i do that? >_> |
| 02:54.38 | blast007 | MindstormsKid: Just need Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition, the DirectX SDK, and an SVN client to get the code |
| 02:54.39 | iShock | Shot length is still under GUI settings. |
| 02:54.43 | blast007 | iShock: k |
| 02:54.48 | blast007 | oh |
| 02:54.53 | iShock | It's all the way up, why? |
| 02:54.55 | blast007 | not that shot length. that's for radar |
| 02:54.57 | blast007 | right? |
| 02:55.01 | iShock | Right. |
| 02:55.05 | MindstormsKid | lol, i recently got rid of C++ express :P |
| 02:55.07 | blast007 | yeah, not that one. hmm |
| 02:55.16 | blast007 | MindstormsKid: you need 2008 anyway, if you had 2005 |
| 02:55.22 | MindstormsKid | i had 2008 |
| 02:55.24 | blast007 | k |
| 02:55.28 | blast007 | get it again ;) |
| 02:55.44 | blast007 | I could probably toss my build in a zip file too.. |
| 02:55.48 | blast007 | goes home |
| 02:55.49 | iShock | Found it blast007. |
| 02:56.02 | iShock | I like the shots with rico |
| 02:56.05 | iShock | Looks awesome :) |
| 02:57.10 | MindstormsKid | oh, i think i had VB, not VC++ |
| 02:57.16 | temp_dist | iShock: join bzexcess.com:25155 |
| 02:57.50 | TD--Linux | nn-main: is your server always so pathetically ill-maintained? |
| 02:58.47 | MindstormsKid | 96 MB?! |
| 02:58.52 | MindstormsKid | evil |
| 02:59.16 | spldart | 96mb?! |
| 02:59.30 | spldart | Is that like a studio apartment of evil. |
| 03:00.00 | MindstormsKid | is getting rid of VC++ as soon as he compiles BZFlag :P |
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| 03:00.54 | spldart | Ah... VC++ whjich version/. |
| 03:00.57 | spldart | grr |
| 03:01.04 | MindstormsKid | 2008 express |
| 03:01.04 | spldart | ....version? |
| 03:01.12 | spldart | Ah! |
| 03:01.15 | MindstormsKid | [21:54:34]<blast007>MindstormsKid: Just need Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition, the DirectX SDK, and an SVN client to get the code |
| 03:01.18 | spldart | let me know how that goes |
| 03:01.21 | MindstormsKid | ok |
| 03:01.25 | spldart | Sry.. just walked back in |
| 03:01.46 | spldart | I had no problem with vc8 but vc9 is kicking my butt |
| 03:02.45 | MindstormsKid | WTF directx is 86mb! |
| 03:02.49 | iShock | temp_dist? |
| 03:02.53 | MindstormsKid | just the installer! |
| 03:02.57 | spldart | duh |
| 03:02.59 | MindstormsKid | lame. |
| 03:03.00 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19065 10/trunk/bzflag/ (5 files in 3 dirs): * raw control methods for DynamicColors and TextureMatrices |
| 03:03.10 | spldart | windows = sasquatch footprint |
| 03:03.11 | spldart | hehe |
| 03:03.48 | MindstormsKid | why hasn't someone posted the compiled version for widows yet? -_- |
| 03:03.57 | spldart | for 2.99? |
| 03:04.05 | spldart | Cuz it's not released. |
| 03:04.05 | MindstormsKid | no, 3.0 |
| 03:04.10 | spldart | err |
| 03:04.16 | spldart | 8-/ |
| 03:04.19 | spldart | 2.99 is latest |
| 03:04.24 | MindstormsKid | orly |
| 03:04.29 | spldart | 3.0 hasn't been cut yet |
| 03:04.53 | MindstormsKid | [21:52:52]<iShock>You got bzflag 3 built? |
| 03:04.54 | MindstormsKid | [21:52:58]<blast007>at home I do |
| 03:04.56 | MindstormsKid | :P |
| 03:04.58 | spldart | And don't bother asking for release date for 3... |
| 03:05.07 | spldart | Whoever |
| 03:05.21 | spldart | Cuz "it will be done when it's done" |
| 03:05.39 | trepan | and if you don't like that, throw in :) |
| 03:06.17 | spldart | giggles |
| 03:06.25 | mmarshall | And don't hope for it to be released next month... I was told "it will be done when it's done" a good three years ago :) |
| 03:06.28 | spldart | In a manly fashion |
| 03:06.41 | spldart | Now now... |
| 03:07.00 | spldart | In the last 3 years 2.x was still getting a new release or two. |
| 03:07.10 | spldart | Although the last year has been pretty dead. |
| 03:10.27 | spldart | clarfies after re-reading. 'last year has been pretty dead for releases' but alot has been goin on in the 2.99 branch... Including what gsoc brought to the mix. |
| 03:15.54 | temp_dist | blast: on bzexcess.com:25155 i was kicked a few times with "Server communication error" message |
| 03:18.40 | iShock | Ditto temp_dist |
| 03:18.59 | temp_dist | I'm sure it's all blast007's fault :D |
| 03:21.31 | iShock | Wanna play 2.0? |
| 03:22.10 | MindstormsKid | sure |
| 03:22.14 | MindstormsKid | where? |
| 03:24.50 | MindstormsKid | iShock: .. |
| 03:35.38 | spldart | Somebody SW'd his Xubuntu. |
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| 03:48.38 | blast007 | temp_dist: that's actually nothing to do with my server specifically |
| 03:48.48 | blast007 | that's a current bug witn 2.99.x in general |
| 03:49.03 | temp_dist | okey-dokey |
| 03:52.42 | blast007 | 21:02:45 < MindstormsKid> WTF directx is 86mb! |
| 03:52.46 | blast007 | wonder where he got that number |
| 03:52.50 | blast007 | it's 483.2 MB |
| 03:53.08 | blast007 | ah, he was looking at the runtime... |
| 03:54.45 | blast007 | temp_dist / iShock: that bug is one that is holding back a release ;) |
| 03:55.15 | temp_dist | fix it |
| 03:55.16 | blast007 | bzadmin is a bit busted as well (missing player names from a lot of the messages) |
| 03:55.41 | blast007 | temp_dist: ok! |
| 03:55.46 | temp_dist | lol |
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| 04:02.09 | javawizard2539 | what bug? |
| 04:03.44 | javawizard2539 | I found a bug with the graphics, where parts of a pyramid were disappearing when I fired shots, but I don't want to report a bug if one's already posted for it |
| 04:12.42 | blast007 | javawizard2539: check the bug tracker |
| 04:12.52 | blast007 | and/or the bugs file |
| 04:13.09 | blast007 | could just be your graphics driver too ;) |
| 04:13.11 | javawizard2539 | Checked the tracker, not on there |
| 04:13.13 | javawizard2539 | :) |
| 04:13.20 | javawizard2539 | I'm using an intel that barely gets 20fps |
| 04:13.26 | blast007 | ah... yeah |
| 04:13.47 | blast007 | I haven't noticed anything with my Intel 855 graphics on XP |
| 04:14.04 | javawizard2539 | weird |
| 04:14.06 | javawizard2539 | I'm on vista |
| 04:14.06 | blast007 | what chipset do you have? |
| 04:14.21 | javawizard2539 | I don't know |
| 04:14.37 | javawizard2539 | I honestly can't even remember which component of a computer the chipset is... |
| 04:14.41 | javawizard2539 | feels stupdi |
| 04:14.46 | blast007 | graphics chip, I mean |
| 04:14.54 | javawizard2539 | It's some sort of intel one |
| 04:14.57 | javawizard2539 | hold on, i'll look it up |
| 04:14.58 | blast007 | right..... |
| 04:15.00 | blast007 | ;) |
| 04:15.09 | blast007 | there's lots of intel graphics chipsets |
| 04:15.21 | blast007 | some of which are more sucky than others |
| 04:15.37 | blast007 | make sure you also have the latest drivers for that graphics chip |
| 04:18.57 | javawizard2539 | I completely can't figure out |
| 04:19.15 | javawizard2539 | I'm running on a sony vaio vgn-fz298ce, but that probably doesn't help much :) |
| 04:19.25 | blast007 | go to your device manager |
| 04:19.33 | javawizard2539 | That's where I was looking |
| 04:19.49 | blast007 | didn't you see something like "Display Adapters" or "Graphics Cards" |
| 04:19.59 | javawizard2539 | Nope |
| 04:20.18 | blast007 | checks |
| 04:21.11 | javawizard2539 | Found it |
| 04:21.24 | blast007 | k |
| 04:21.28 | javawizard2539 | Mobile Intel 965 Express Chipset Family |
| 04:21.41 | javawizard2539 | Not exactly a video card description... |
| 04:21.54 | blast007 | I would check to see if Intel has newer drivers for the Intel 965 graphics |
| 04:21.59 | javawizard2539 | But it's listed under display adapters, and there aren't any other categories for graphics driver |
| 04:22.00 | javawizard2539 | ok |
| 04:22.24 | blast007 | http://downloadcenter.intel.com/default.aspx |
| 04:22.41 | blast007 | the sidebar will give you different categories that expand |
| 04:23.10 | javawizard2539 | fwiw, the error doesn't happen under2.0.10; only 2.99 |
| 04:23.18 | blast007 | k |
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| 04:49.46 | brlcad | http://familyhulbert.blogspot.com/2008/12/finals-week-for-daniel.html |
| 04:53.24 | blast007 | hah, neat |
| 04:58.12 | brlcad | hehe, yeah, pretty cool |
| 04:58.25 | brlcad | wonders what the source mod was |
| 04:58.48 | brlcad | probably turning off keyboard/mouse toggling |
| 05:00.06 | blast007 | that, or maybe he wrote some different code to handle input from the parallel port? |
| 05:01.00 | blast007 | though I guess there's drivers for that kind of thing |
| 05:03.20 | brlcad | yeah, I'm sure he had to have some code to read the actual input events |
| 05:03.40 | brlcad | could have even been copied off our joystick code in libPlatform |
| 05:04.06 | brlcad | but would still have had to mod the client since it's got specific toggles for the input type |
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| 19:40.56 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19066 10/trunk/bzflag/ (10 files in 6 dirs): |
| 19:40.56 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: * added BzDocket (for LuaWorld) |
| 19:40.56 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: - adding this so that the 'bzfs -ddd -luaworld <dir>' option can |
| 19:40.56 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: be tested by windows folks; it should be tested with relative |
| 19:40.56 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: and absolute paths, with just '.', and with and without trailing |
| 19:40.58 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: backslashes. Use -ddd to get docket debugging information. |
| 19:41.23 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19067 10/trunk/bzflag/src/3D/FontManager.cxx: * oops, re-enabled debugging |
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| 19:52.00 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19068 10/trunk/bzflag/ (5 files in 5 dirs): |
| 19:52.00 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: * bumped BZ_PROTO_VERSION to 0073 |
| 19:52.00 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: * bumped BZ_REV to 14 |
| 19:52.00 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: * updated configure.ac |
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| 21:34.15 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19070 10/trunk/bzflag/ (5 files in 3 dirs): |
| 21:34.15 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: * changed mkdir() modes from 0777 to 0755 (safety first) |
| 21:34.15 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: * added BzDocket::save(dirPath) |
| 21:34.15 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: * disabled FontManager 'debugging' (too noisy for doing other stuffs) |
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| 21:46.46 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19071 10/trunk/bzflag/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 21:46.46 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: * added a uint32_t for flags |
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