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| 00:10.32 | spldart | Ok... can someone talk me through my VC9 EE build problem? |
| 00:10.47 | temp_dist | step one - get a beer |
| 00:10.54 | spldart | got one |
| 00:10.56 | spldart | tall can |
| 00:10.59 | JeffM2501 | not really, because we don't know what your issue is |
| 00:10.59 | spldart | ;) |
| 00:11.07 | JeffM2501 | now are you SURE you have 2005 not 2005? |
| 00:11.13 | JeffM2501 | sorry 2008 not 2005? |
| 00:11.19 | spldart | heh |
| 00:11.39 | spldart | yeah.. I have 2k5 and then I went and installed 2k8 and imported my settings from 2k5 |
| 00:11.49 | JeffM2501 | so you have both installed? |
| 00:11.52 | spldart | yes |
| 00:12.12 | JeffM2501 | when you double click the bzflag sln file what does it open? 2005 or 2008? |
| 00:12.17 | spldart | 2k8 |
| 00:12.22 | spldart | I'm positive |
| 00:12.29 | JeffM2501 | and it says the project files are not supported? |
| 00:12.34 | spldart | yes |
| 00:12.43 | JeffM2501 | blast did it just fine with 2008 |
| 00:12.59 | spldart | I can open again and copy the warning verbatim if it would help |
| 00:13.02 | JeffM2501 | if you double click one of the VCProj files, what does it open? |
| 00:13.05 | spldart | there is a dozen though |
| 00:13.11 | spldart | lemme try |
| 00:13.40 | spldart | 2k8 ee |
| 00:13.47 | JeffM2501 | does it open it correctly? |
| 00:14.04 | spldart | ? How would I determine that? |
| 00:14.13 | JeffM2501 | did it give you any errors? |
| 00:14.26 | spldart | oh? Yes... |
| 00:14.48 | JeffM2501 | what file did you try, full path please |
| 00:14.48 | spldart | cannot be opened because |
| 00:16.26 | spldart | #/bzflag/MSVC/build/bzflag.vcpproj cannot be opened because it's project type (.vcoproj) is not supported by this version of the application. |
| 00:17.34 | JeffM2501 | I do not know what the issue is then |
| 00:18.06 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to have a third person try it |
| 00:18.30 | spldart | OK... I'll watch some action/adventure movie and check from time to time to see if blast drops by.... |
| 00:18.38 | JeffM2501 | his worked |
| 00:18.44 | JeffM2501 | I Need a third |
| 00:18.47 | spldart | hands temp_dist a beer as well ;) |
| 00:18.52 | spldart | Okies |
| 00:18.53 | temp_dist | hehe |
| 00:18.54 | JeffM2501 | or a hard drive to install XP on |
| 00:19.18 | spldart | I'll stay on windows for now just in case |
| 00:19.50 | spldart | but now that I got all my multimedia including tv goin good in linux I'm rarely in windows anymore hehe... |
| 00:20.13 | spldart | just realizes that that statement begs the question "why do you care about a 2k8 build then?" |
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| 00:52.34 | iShock | Hilite? |
| 00:52.49 | iShock | Oh, it was blast007 .. Yeah, I am, blast007. |
| 00:59.43 | blast007 | spldart: open up Visual C++ 2008 EE manually and then use File > Open instead |
| 01:00.33 | iShock | blast007: Yes, I am hand coding it. |
| 01:02.46 | iShock | A rogue base would be cool. |
| 01:02.58 | blast007 | rogue isn't a team though |
| 01:03.35 | iShock | Team chat works, why not a rogue flag/base in 3.0? Or an optional bzfs build with it? |
| 01:04.20 | blast007 | doubt it would be just a bzfs mod.... |
| 01:04.37 | blast007 | and no sense just making it some weird optional mod either |
| 01:04.41 | iShock | It'd still be cool, even if it doesn't happen. |
| 01:04.56 | blast007 | what purpose would it have? |
| 01:05.11 | iShock | Well |
| 01:05.25 | iShock | Like a rabbit hunt that gives the rabbit something to do |
| 01:05.36 | iShock | Idk lol |
| 01:05.37 | blast007 | rabbit hunt doesn't have rogues |
| 01:05.51 | iShock | It's listed as rogues on fox burrow |
| 01:06.09 | spldart | yeah.. I tried that already blast :( |
| 01:06.21 | blast007 | that's because rabbit chase was a cheap hack in 2.0.x, at least |
| 01:06.29 | blast007 | I think 2.99.x has 'hunters' as a real team |
| 01:06.38 | blast007 | but maybe not |
| 01:06.39 | spldart | I love rabbit chase |
| 01:06.46 | iShock | Where 2.99.x = 3.0 upon release, right? |
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| 01:06.52 | blast007 | correct |
| 01:07.03 | iShock | K. |
| 01:07.40 | iShock | Now to work on this map .. I have my zone with the G flag in it, now to build boxes around it .... |
| 01:12.09 | iShock | Well, there's 2 boxes around it ... |
| 01:13.34 | iShock | Well. I got two boxes around it fine, but now I'm stuck trying to figure out the coords for the other sides.. |
| 01:13.48 | JeffM2501 | it's just math |
| 01:13.59 | iShock | I know |
| 01:14.08 | iShock | But math isn't working well for me right now :'( |
| 01:14.36 | iShock | Hmmm. |
| 01:14.44 | JeffM2501 | math always works |
| 01:14.47 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't change :) |
| 01:14.53 | JeffM2501 | just the people that use it |
| 01:15.47 | joevano | well lets start at the begining 1+1 = 2... |
| 01:15.58 | joevano | just build on that |
| 01:16.04 | JeffM2501 | NO!, you have no honor! |
| 01:16.10 | JeffM2501 | sorry, wrong Fkey |
| 01:16.15 | joevano | nrofl |
| 01:16.17 | JeffM2501 | what are you trying to do iShock |
| 01:16.31 | iShock | Hang on, I think I got it |
| 01:17.50 | iShock | Aww, crap. Bye bye xmas tree :< |
| 01:18.57 | JeffM2501 | 1) we don't need a play by play |
| 01:19.01 | JeffM2501 | 2) we can not read your mind |
| 01:19.10 | iShock | Well |
| 01:19.20 | blast007 | 3) ??? 4) PROFIT! |
| 01:19.21 | iShock | When I die cause of the boxes with my flag, it goes to the middle |
| 01:19.33 | iShock | But that's where my x-mas tree is |
| 01:19.57 | spldart | blast007 |
| 01:20.02 | spldart | ... VC9 slurps [/lob'd grenade] |
| 01:20.08 | spldart | ;) |
| 01:20.15 | blast007 | ? |
| 01:20.37 | spldart | sry |
| 01:20.40 | spldart | anywho |
| 01:20.45 | spldart | spldart> yeah.. I tried that already blast :( |
| 01:20.49 | blast007 | yeah, saw |
| 01:20.50 | spldart | But I get the same errors |
| 01:20.54 | spldart | any ideas? |
| 01:21.09 | blast007 | uninstall 2008 and 2005, and reinstall 2008? |
| 01:21.16 | spldart | oh snap |
| 01:21.17 | spldart | :( |
| 01:21.24 | spldart | Only windows |
| 01:21.37 | spldart | ... could require such a measure |
| 01:21.42 | blast007 | I only had 2008 C# EE on the system I tried |
| 01:21.56 | JeffM2501 | I have both 2005 and 2008 on all my systems |
| 01:21.58 | spldart | I'll wait for more to try to build on 9 and see what the success rate is |
| 01:21.58 | JeffM2501 | and they work fine |
| 01:22.05 | spldart | 9 ee that is |
| 01:22.09 | blast007 | JeffM2501: yeah, I figure it should |
| 01:22.18 | JeffM2501 | I'm installing XP on a system now |
| 01:22.20 | blast007 | but I didn't have 2005 on my system I tried |
| 01:22.24 | spldart | Find a hdd? |
| 01:22.27 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:22.30 | JeffM2501 | old IDE 200 |
| 01:22.37 | spldart | heh |
| 01:22.40 | JeffM2501 | the sata 500 is busted |
| 01:22.42 | spldart | I'm so old tech :( |
| 01:22.53 | spldart | using an ide 500 in this rig |
| 01:22.53 | JeffM2501 | goes to feed |
| 01:23.39 | spldart | has a hitachi in shipping back from manufacturer currently that failed 8 months after purchase. :( |
| 01:24.28 | blast007 | spldart: was it a deathstar? :P |
| 01:24.35 | spldart | I find it difficult to imagine that a system just having 2k5 and 2k8 vc coexisting would cause this problem... |
| 01:24.36 | spldart | lol |
| 01:24.39 | spldart | travelstar |
| 01:24.45 | blast007 | close enough |
| 01:24.49 | spldart | LOL |
| 01:25.03 | spldart | I wont by maxtor again either |
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| 01:25.16 | spldart | WD and samsung are impressing me now though |
| 01:25.33 | blast007 | seagate owns maxtor ;) |
| 01:25.45 | spldart | Yeah.. im remember that |
| 01:25.54 | spldart | Stopped buying seagate as well |
| 01:25.56 | blast007 | didn't realize that until someone mentioned that recently |
| 01:26.02 | spldart | really? |
| 01:26.05 | blast007 | I buy mainly seagate |
| 01:26.08 | spldart | they bought out years ago |
| 01:26.16 | blast007 | hmm |
| 01:26.22 | blast007 | maybe I just forgot about it then ;) |
| 01:26.24 | spldart | Old school seagates run forever |
| 01:26.46 | blast007 | I've been pretty impressed with them overall |
| 01:27.31 | spldart | I've never had one failed but when they and maxtor got together I wanted to nip that possible issue in the bud. |
| 01:27.53 | spldart | I guess that might not have become an issue. |
| 01:28.00 | blast007 | I still have an old 40 or 20GB maxtor drive that I had put in my 133MHz back in the day :P |
| 01:28.41 | L4m3r | I've got a server running 7 used 200GB Maxtors in JBOD. I wonder how long that will last :) |
| 01:28.53 | spldart | I still have a few hdd's left that are in the 4 gig range.. no ish... I need to give away some more of this old hardware. p1 to p4 range, k5 to k7 range and 2 to 20 gig range. |
| 01:29.05 | blast007 | L4m3r: 'till next Tuesday |
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| 01:29.11 | L4m3r | I put fans in to force air between them, but they're still only like 1/4" apart |
| 01:29.41 | blast007 | launches a foam dart at nerfmaster |
| 01:29.49 | blast007 | darn, missed |
| 01:33.36 | iShock | Hmm.. |
| 01:33.51 | iShock | I defined a zone as a safety, but my flag is sticking in the ground and I can't pick it up lol |
| 01:38.14 | iShock | Ah. |
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| 01:45.41 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19058 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (bzfs.cxx bzfs.h bzfsAPI.cxx): |
| 01:45.41 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: * replaced NonPlayerDataChunk with std::strings, and the |
| 01:45.41 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: std::vector<> pendingSendChunks with a std::list<> (this also fixed a SEGV) |
| 01:47.14 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19059 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/lua/rawlink.cpp: * clean-up |
| 01:47.33 | iShock | Can you +f ST 4? |
| 01:47.35 | iShock | etc |
| 01:48.10 | trepan | [+f {good|bad|team||flag-id}[{count}]] |
| 01:48.28 | iShock | +f ST4? |
| 01:48.34 | trepan | read? |
| 01:48.42 | iShock | I did |
| 01:48.45 | trepan | try it yourself? |
| 01:49.12 | iShock | {4} |
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| 01:57.54 | iShock | -h gives stuff random height, dun it? |
| 01:59.40 | trepan | http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFS_Command_Line_Options |
| 01:59.59 | trepan | don't ask anymore questions that that link answers |
| 02:00.17 | iShock | It says that. Does that mean I don't specify the third param of size? |
| 02:00.57 | trepan | that link + some common sense, but the latter be too much i fear |
| 02:01.08 | JeffM2501 | how old are you iShock? |
| 02:01.16 | iShock | Can I say 16? |
| 02:01.24 | JeffM2501 | you'd be lying woudln't you? |
| 02:01.39 | iShock | Only till wednesday :o |
| 02:01.47 | JeffM2501 | -h is only used on random maps |
| 02:02.14 | iShock | Oh. Darn. :( |
| 02:02.18 | JeffM2501 | we are going to treat you like an adult, that means that it is going to be assumed you can do some reading and use your brain to figure things out |
| 02:02.53 | iShock | This is my first map, I didn't know! :( |
| 02:03.12 | JeffM2501 | we know you didn't know, but we've shown you where to go to read, and you haven't done much of that |
| 02:03.37 | JeffM2501 | and if it's your first map, start off simple |
| 02:03.39 | iShock | All it says is "Buildings are given random heights." |
| 02:03.40 | JeffM2501 | don't worry about flags |
| 02:04.03 | JeffM2501 | I was refering to the question before that you asked |
| 02:04.05 | iShock | All it has are two bases, a few boxes and pyres |
| 02:04.49 | JeffM2501 | I am aware of what the page says, that's why I added the clarification for you |
| 02:15.45 | trepan | JeffM2501: fwiw, the lua fastmap plugin should merrily co-exist with the c++ http server |
| 02:15.51 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 02:15.57 | JeffM2501 | how'd you do it? |
| 02:16.10 | trepan | you did it :) |
| 02:16.20 | JeffM2501 | you used the existing class? |
| 02:16.24 | trepan | if lua comes first, it check for 'GET /worldCache' |
| 02:16.37 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 02:16.49 | trepan | and grabs the connection ... HTTPServer passes through if bz_registerNonPlayerConnectionHandler() isn't successful |
| 02:16.53 | JeffM2501 | what if lua dosn't come first? |
| 02:17.05 | JeffM2501 | more then one person can have the connection IIRC |
| 02:17.21 | JeffM2501 | probably should make that fail |
| 02:17.44 | trepan | ouch, I misread bz_registerNonPlayerConnectionHandler() |
| 02:17.59 | trepan | unfortunate that more than one can register for a connection |
| 02:18.00 | JeffM2501 | may as well make it fail if there is one |
| 02:18.08 | JeffM2501 | it makes no sense for more then one to reg anymore |
| 02:18.21 | trepan | exactly |
| 02:18.22 | JeffM2501 | then it'll be cool |
| 02:18.27 | iShock | trepan: Remember going to a server that the title was "test map"? |
| 02:18.30 | trepan | guess I assumed too much and read the code wrong ;-) |
| 02:18.37 | trepan | iShock: no |
| 02:18.47 | iShock | You did. |
| 02:18.54 | iShock | BZFS was on it? |
| 02:18.54 | trepan | iShock: i don't care |
| 02:18.55 | JeffM2501 | that dosn't mean he remembers it :) |
| 02:18.59 | JeffM2501 | or cares enough to |
| 02:20.22 | iShock | BZFS, LegoKid, Uncle Schmuck!? |
| 02:20.41 | trepan | JeffM2501: so just swap NetConnectedPeer::notifyList with bz_NonPlayerConnectionHandler* connectionHandler; ? |
| 02:20.58 | JeffM2501 | haven't looked at that code forever |
| 02:21.02 | JeffM2501 | but probably |
| 02:21.05 | JeffM2501 | and just add the checks |
| 02:21.32 | JeffM2501 | I think the idea was to let more then one person listen to it untill they got all the data |
| 02:21.39 | JeffM2501 | cus like what if all you got was "G" |
| 02:21.44 | JeffM2501 | but that is very unlikely |
| 02:21.58 | JeffM2501 | if your connection info isn't in the first packet, you got a crapy proto |
| 02:22.57 | JeffM2501 | I'd still prefer it if eveyrone used the C++ vdir stuff, then we'd get indexing of C++ and lua HTTP services |
| 02:23.16 | JeffM2501 | but this is better then a stick to the eye |
| 02:25.31 | trepan | and it allows for non-http |
| 02:25.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
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| 03:55.59 | short_circuit | Interesting... I can't even install vc9 on another XP Pro SP3 machine :( |
| 03:57.36 | blast007 | does it error out? |
| 04:07.47 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19060 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (bzfs.cxx bzfs.h bzfsAPI.cxx): |
| 04:07.47 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: * setup for one api handler per non-player connection |
| 04:07.47 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: * moved bzfs' big while loop contents into processConnectedPeer() |
| 04:13.19 | short_circuit | yeah cannot copy file error... some temp file |
| 04:13.55 | blast007 | running as an admin? |
| 04:14.08 | blast007 | and do you have enough space free? |
| 04:16.42 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19061 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: * clean-up |
| 04:20.50 | short_circuit | yeah... 7 gig free on the win partition and admin privelge... I'm not a noob.... But I play one on tv |
| 04:21.19 | blast007 | odd |
| 04:21.28 | short_circuit | I'm about to reinstall that machine anyway... to run some tools that windows prevents operation of in the newer service packs heh |
| 04:21.32 | blast007 | guess VC just hates you ;) |
| 04:21.36 | short_circuit | yep |
| 04:22.06 | short_circuit | I should always run linux because it's far superior to mac and windows in every way.... |
| 04:22.07 | short_circuit | ;) |
| 04:22.21 | blast007 | you know, except, if you want to play games |
| 04:22.27 | blast007 | ;) |
| 04:23.00 | short_circuit | Hrm.... a list of games I play on pc.... BZFlag.... |
| 04:23.02 | short_circuit | end list |
| 04:23.14 | short_circuit | carriage return |
| 04:26.22 | short_circuit | is being an arse... sry if my arse'ness offends. I will endevor to become less arse'tastic. |
| 04:26.30 | short_circuit | ;-p |
| 04:27.07 | blast007 | ;) |
| 04:27.31 | blast007 | (like they say, an OS is just a tool. pick the tool that does what you need.) |
| 04:28.23 | short_circuit | .... and build a shed over it. |
| 04:28.33 | blast007 | heh |
| 04:28.33 | short_circuit | .... That's what she said. |
| 04:29.03 | short_circuit | is sorting tools as I ramble on |
| 04:32.27 | trepan | hm, HTTPServer and fastmap plugins appear to be busted (segv in WorldEventManager::callEvents) |
| 04:32.44 | trepan | went back to r19057, same problem |
| 04:40.16 | trepan | only seems to happen when HTTPServer is loaded before fastmap |
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| 04:58.16 | trepan | webadmin/webReport both play nicely with lua rawlink connection handling (as long as lua is loaded first) |
| 04:58.59 | trepan | (which all means that you can now have selective non-http handlers) |
| 05:00.43 | iShock | Anyone got tips to improve bzflag fps? |
| 05:01.12 | blast007 | lower the resolution, play with the graphics settings, get a real computer |
| 05:01.41 | blast007 | how low are you getting? |
| 05:02.07 | iShock | About 35. |
| 05:02.29 | blast007 | any idea what graphics chipset you have in there? |
| 05:02.43 | iShock | intel? |
| 05:02.55 | blast007 | which one? :) |
| 05:03.14 | iShock | 945GM? |
| 05:04.01 | blast007 | I've got an 855 in this laptop, and I can get 40 to 80 depending on the map |
| 05:04.12 | blast007 | but that's at 640x480 for the resolutoin ;) |
| 05:04.21 | blast007 | resolution* |
| 05:04.27 | iShock | That the lowest? |
| 05:04.30 | blast007 | yeah |
| 05:04.53 | iShock | Is the best FPS the lowest possible gfx stuff? |
| 05:05.06 | blast007 | not usually |
| 05:05.20 | blast007 | a lot of the lower settings do work better on older hardware |
| 05:05.29 | blast007 | but some of it can make newer chips run slower |
| 05:05.45 | iShock | I can't wait till I get my new lappy in feb. |
| 05:05.46 | blast007 | so you'll have to experiment |
| 05:06.35 | iShock | Intel® Graphics Media |
| 05:06.35 | iShock | Accelerator 4500 Series |
| 05:06.35 | iShock | This system is equipped with the new Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator 4500 series, giving you more than 1GB of dynamic video memory. Hardware based, it improves graphics performance while saving power. |
| 05:07.06 | iShock | 4GB DDR2 memory |
| 05:07.13 | blast007 | should be better, but don't expect it to hold a candle next to a real graphics adapter |
| 05:07.35 | iShock | http://www.gateway.com/systems/product/529668190.php |
| 05:08.43 | blast007 | it'll be enough for BZFlag, I'd imagine, if it can run 3DMark06 ;) |
| 05:10.08 | iShock | http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/quick-reference-guide-to-intel-integrated-graphics |
| 05:10.18 | trepan | blast007: for a little while, on most maps :) |
| 05:10.56 | trepan | have a geometry shader idea i've been wanting to try on my 8800 ... |
| 05:11.09 | blast007 | :) |
| 05:11.39 | iShock | blast007, trepan, wanna see how bad my map is? Lolol :< |
| 05:11.46 | trepan | not really |
| 05:11.47 | blast007 | iShock: not really |
| 05:11.59 | iShock | :'( |
| 05:12.42 | trepan | learn a 3d modeller, texture mapping, etc... and come back with something good to show off |
| 05:20.19 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19062 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/BZWReader.cxx: * bumped the logDebug level from 3 to 4 for some noisy bits |
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| 05:59.37 | javawizard2539 | joevano: Is it ok if I re-create bz_freePlayerRecord on the wiki, with documentation relevant to that api call? It says that you previously deleted it, so I figured I'd check with you first. |
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| 06:32.58 | DTRemenak | javawizard2539: you can recreate it. the previous revision was spam. |
| 06:33.49 | javawizard2539 | ok |
| 06:35.20 | iShock | I can't build old bzflag servers :( |
| 06:35.23 | iShock | versions .. |
| 06:37.21 | blast007 | why would you want to? |
| 06:37.36 | iShock | Seeing how bzflag has evolved |
| 06:37.41 | iShock | from version to version |
| 06:38.27 | blast007 | it really hasn't changed that much |
| 06:38.45 | iShock | Someone said it changed enough that some people stay on older versions |
| 06:38.49 | iShock | on the forums |
| 06:39.17 | blast007 | that wasn't because of huge changes |
| 06:39.22 | blast007 | that's just because they're picky |
| 06:39.33 | iShock | I just wanna see what differences .. |
| 06:39.43 | blast007 | the server wasn't the difference... |
| 06:39.48 | blast007 | it was the client |
| 06:39.53 | iShock | I meant client |
| 06:40.01 | blast007 | how much older are you meaning? |
| 06:40.03 | iShock | I've been working with my map too long. |
| 06:40.10 | iShock | Starting from 2.0.8 |
| 06:40.24 | iShock | to 2.0.0 |
| 06:40.34 | blast007 | meh, don't bother. not worth your time |
| 06:40.40 | blast007 | 2.0.0 was buggy |
| 06:40.43 | blast007 | iirc |
| 06:40.48 | iShock | 2.0.2 then |
| 06:40.54 | blast007 | and you won't find any huge changes anyway |
| 06:40.58 | blast007 | we didn't make major changes |
| 06:40.59 | iShock | How much can I paste in here? |
| 06:41.14 | blast007 | two to three lines |
| 06:41.26 | iShock | ..Figures, mine's 4 :( |
| 06:41.33 | blast007 | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz |
| 06:42.07 | iShock | It got spammed roflmao |
| 06:42.09 | iShock | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m25077255 |
| 06:42.22 | blast007 | yes, it has been for months.. |
| 06:42.37 | iShock | An hour ago lol :< |
| 06:44.58 | blast007 | iShock: what version is that from? |
| 06:45.14 | iShock | 2.0.8 |
| 06:45.29 | blast007 | guess you can't build the old version then ;) |
| 06:45.43 | iShock | ..Why not though?.. |
| 06:45.43 | blast007 | nor will we really provide any support for that |
| 06:45.59 | blast007 | we don't care about the older versions |
| 06:46.18 | blast007 | we don't even care about 2.0.12 much at this point |
| 06:46.33 | iShock | Why not, and come on, it's one little error! :( |
| 06:46.52 | blast007 | so far |
| 06:47.11 | iShock | Can't you just help fix this one, if there's another error I'll stop |
| 06:47.36 | blast007 | it's probably just a bug in our build system, or a change in the system libraries |
| 06:47.41 | blast007 | so no, I not going to |
| 06:47.49 | iShock | ...Wow |
| 06:47.55 | blast007 | install Windows and get our binary versions ;) |
| 06:47.55 | iShock | That's .. fucking dumb. |
| 06:47.57 | DTRemenak | if you want to build old versions of bzflag, you can do so on old systems |
| 06:48.02 | blast007 | please watch your language |
| 06:48.39 | DTRemenak | a lot of effort goes into making sure bzflag continues working every time microsoft or gnu releases a new compiler. we're not going to redo all that work for old versions. |
| 07:03.15 | a_meteorite | thinks that's the second time (I know of) iShock has committed language crimes |
| 07:29.02 | javawizard2539 | finally managed to get like the first 15 api calls documented |
| 07:29.15 | javawizard2539 | feels like committing suicide looking at the rest of the list |
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| 07:36.04 | a_meteorite | javawizard2539: be sure to video tape it! |
| 07:36.10 | a_meteorite | I mean, uh, don't do that. |
| 07:36.14 | javawizard2539 | :D |
| 07:36.43 | javawizard2539 | There's like 200 function calls, and I'm working on documenting all of them |
| 07:36.58 | javawizard2539 | hence the suicide thing :) |
| 07:37.36 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19063 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/lua/ (7 files in 2 dirs): * more clean-up |
| 07:39.29 | a_meteorite | doesn't java let you create a wrapper that converts C to java datatypes, etc? and let all the C do the backend work? |
| 07:39.37 | a_meteorite | I think the python plugin does that |
| 07:40.46 | javawizard2539 | I wish |
| 07:40.48 | JeffM2501 | he's a wizard |
| 07:41.01 | JeffM2501 | he dosn't follow the normal scientific rules for these things |
| 07:41.02 | a_meteorite | ah, a wizard, you should have no problem then |
| 07:41.03 | javawizard2539 | There are a couple of libraries that do that, but none of their output has been able to compile |
| 07:41.07 | javawizard2539 | :) |
| 07:41.09 | JeffM2501 | he warps reality to fit his needs |
| 07:41.23 | javawizard2539 | :) |
| 07:41.26 | JeffM2501 | ether that or he's a wizard writen in java, so he's slow and dosn't always work right. |
| 07:41.27 | a_meteorite | wizards and witches commonly do that, common knowledge |
| 07:41.33 | a_meteorite | </sarcasm> |
| 07:41.38 | a_meteorite | haha |
| 07:41.48 | javawizard2539 | I hereby command msvc to code the java plugin for me! |
| 07:41.52 | javawizard2539 | Dang, didn't work |
| 07:42.01 | a_meteorite | we're programming in java next semester... I don't think I'm going to enjoy it very much |
| 07:42.12 | JeffM2501 | dosn't swig help with automated interface generation? |
| 07:42.16 | a_meteorite | not sure why Programming I started out with C if they switch to another language in the same series |
| 07:42.17 | javawizard2539 | I used swig |
| 07:42.21 | javawizard2539 | but the output was full of errors |
| 07:42.40 | JeffM2501 | so rather then try to find out why, you just went and did it yourself? |
| 07:43.11 | javawizard2539 | two things: the documenting that originally got this subject started was actually related to documenting the function calls on the wiki :) |
| 07:43.34 | JeffM2501 | I think the word you are looking for is "yes" |
| 07:43.35 | JeffM2501 | it's ok |
| 07:43.37 | JeffM2501 | you can say it |
| 07:43.38 | javawizard2539 | And second, I tried to figure out what's wrong but not much luck |
| 07:43.40 | JeffM2501 | it's not that hard. |
| 07:43.41 | javawizard2539 | :) |
| 07:43.53 | javawizard2539 | So after I tried (and failed), then "yes" :) |
| 07:44.00 | javawizard2539 | At least, for the event handlers |
| 07:44.20 | javawizard2539 | And it's to the point that I can write a java plugin to listen for player join events, and soon to be to the point that I can listen for players spawning |
| 07:45.03 | JeffM2501 | untill we add another function :) |
| 07:45.11 | JeffM2501 | automated inteface generation would help keep it up to date |
| 07:46.02 | JeffM2501 | but I'm sure you have it well in hand mr wizard :) |
| 07:46.43 | javawizard2539 | :) |
| 07:46.50 | javawizard2539 | Good point, hadn't thought of that |
| 07:47.05 | a_meteorite | I can smell the sarcasm |
| 07:47.11 | a_meteorite | and it smells sweet. |
| 07:47.33 | javawizard2539 | Another thing I could do is use something like JNA, which accesses native methods dynamically |
| 07:47.37 | javawizard2539 | But that would probably be slower |
| 07:48.04 | JeffM2501 | are you serious |
| 07:48.06 | JeffM2501 | you use java |
| 07:48.09 | JeffM2501 | and care about speed? |
| 07:48.32 | javawizard2539 | :D |
| 07:48.35 | a_meteorite | I would think the opportunity cost of all this is too great to justify a java plugin... |
| 07:48.37 | javawizard2539 | I actually do, believe it or not |
| 07:48.56 | javawizard2539 | a_meteorite: how about python or lua? Interpreted languages tend to be much slower than compiled ones |
| 07:49.01 | JeffM2501 | when the new faster version of java is descibed as "only about 30 to 40 times slower then C" you should not be woried about speed |
| 07:49.07 | javawizard2539 | oh wait |
| 07:49.12 | javawizard2539 | heh, misread your question |
| 07:49.19 | a_meteorite | I mean, seriously, how many extra programmers would one gain by allowing them to program in java and forget about C? is it really worth it? |
| 07:49.20 | javawizard2539 | :) |
| 07:49.29 | javawizard2539 | a_meteorite: Me |
| 07:49.30 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite: he's doing it to learn |
| 07:49.34 | JeffM2501 | nothing wrong with that |
| 07:49.48 | a_meteorite | oh, in that case, knock yourself out |
| 07:49.48 | JeffM2501 | I think he should finish the basics before he wories about speed tho |
| 07:49.50 | javawizard2539 | Actually, JeffM2501's more correct than I was |
| 07:49.55 | javawizard2539 | Agreed |
| 07:49.56 | a_meteorite | everything I learned was by trying it |
| 07:50.13 | a_meteorite | or at least involved trying something related to the subject |
| 07:50.17 | JeffM2501 | yeah a good book would do you both some good :) |
| 07:50.21 | javawizard2539 | is reminded about a conversation with jeffm, where he mentioned that trying is good but you should really do research :) |
| 07:50.25 | javawizard2539 | :D |
| 07:51.06 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: my instructor would frequently refuse to let me answer questions |
| 07:51.15 | a_meteorite | because I already knew the answers.... |
| 07:51.17 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure they would |
| 07:51.36 | a_meteorite | I'd commonly suggest something before he even questioned everyone on what was wrong with it. |
| 07:52.21 | a_meteorite | now you're assuming I'm arrogant again. heh. |
| 07:52.21 | javawizard2539 | Which reminds me... is anyone else in america? IE is anyone else still up at like 1:00AM? |
| 07:52.39 | JeffM2501 | america has one time zone, WOW |
| 07:52.41 | a_meteorite | california, 8 mins 'till midnight |
| 07:52.54 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 07:53.57 | javawizard2539 | :) |
| 07:54.09 | javawizard2539 | And I thought I was the only one that stayed up ast 11:00PM |
| 07:54.15 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 07:54.23 | a_meteorite | more people than you know pull all nighters |
| 07:54.25 | JeffM2501 | dude you have a lot to learn about computer programers and gamers |
| 07:54.31 | a_meteorite | hehe |
| 07:55.43 | javawizard2539 | I know, I know |
| 07:55.59 | javawizard2539 | I guess I'm just used to all of my friends being people who come home by 10 or 11 and go straight to bed |
| 07:56.18 | JeffM2501 | remember there are 6 billion people in the world, so if you are one in a million, there are a thousand people out there just like you. |
| 07:56.33 | JeffM2501 | 6000 even :) |
| 07:56.34 | a_meteorite | what happened to "everyone is unique"? :) |
| 07:56.40 | javawizard2539 | :D |
| 07:56.45 | JeffM2501 | that's just the same as saying everyone is the same |
| 07:56.50 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 07:56.52 | javawizard2539 | Hmm, I'm deciding that maybe swig isn't such a bad way to go after all |
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| 07:57.11 | mib_d1rosl | hi |
| 07:57.15 | javawizard2539 | hi |
| 07:57.21 | mib_d1rosl | what can be done about the cheater "Ultimate Tank"? |
| 07:57.22 | JeffM2501 | why, because it's used by a ton of other projects, and was designed to do exactly what you are trying to do? |
| 07:57.25 | a_meteorite | hello, no one is here right now. please leave a message after the tone. |
| 07:57.31 | JeffM2501 | mib_d1rosl: your server owner can ban them |
| 07:57.41 | a_meteorite | mib_d1rosl: the project does not control individual servers |
| 07:57.41 | mib_d1rosl | no admins around |
| 07:57.53 | JeffM2501 | then it is a poorly admined server, play on one that is run better |
| 07:57.57 | JeffM2501 | there are over 200 servers |
| 07:57.59 | a_meteorite | if you name the server, there is a possibility that a person here is an admin there and can enforce any cheating rules. |
| 07:58.06 | mib_d1rosl | kk |
| 07:58.08 | a_meteorite | but other than that, yeah, play on another server. |
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| 07:58.30 | javawizard2539 | Well, so much for naming the server |
| 07:58.58 | a_meteorite | I'm used to people not listening to my humble opinions. |
| 07:59.04 | javawizard2539 | :) |
| 07:59.20 | JeffM2501 | I wonder why |
| 07:59.25 | javawizard2539 | By the way, will there be any issues if my code doesn't support characters in usernames outside of the lower half of ASCII? |
| 07:59.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 07:59.38 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: Oh, I dunno... maybe because I go about it all wrong |
| 07:59.41 | JeffM2501 | bzflag supports unicode |
| 07:59.57 | a_meteorite | 2.0 supports unicode? |
| 07:59.59 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite: I don't think that is the issue with people not taking your advice |
| 08:00.02 | JeffM2501 | 3.0 does |
| 08:00.04 | JeffM2501 | 2.0 is dead |
| 08:00.23 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: then what is? (yes, I'm being serious) |
| 08:00.37 | JeffM2501 | same as it's always been, your presentation |
| 08:00.52 | a_meteorite | hmmm, I've been trying to improve that some |
| 08:01.02 | JeffM2501 | so you keep saying |
| 08:01.10 | a_meteorite | although I'd like to think my online self is much worse than my real life counterpart |
| 08:01.17 | JeffM2501 | so you keep saying |
| 08:01.42 | a_meteorite | honestly not to sure if I've made any improvement |
| 08:01.55 | JeffM2501 | so you keep saying |
| 08:02.04 | a_meteorite | uh, yeah. |
| 08:02.13 | a_meteorite | I just wish ... I knew |
| 08:02.23 | a_meteorite | maybe if I didn't grow up socially under a rock |
| 08:02.32 | a_meteorite | (so I keep saying) |
| 08:02.33 | JeffM2501 | not all things in life can be known instantly, they must be learned over time. |
| 08:02.50 | a_meteorite | ah, wisdom. |
| 08:03.38 | a_meteorite | well, all I can hope for is that is sooner rather than ... later, much later. |
| 08:03.40 | JeffM2501 | you've lived less then 20% of your life, you have time. |
| 08:03.50 | JeffM2501 | your problem is you try to rush it |
| 08:03.59 | JeffM2501 | what you need is later over sooner |
| 08:04.06 | JeffM2501 | that is the part you have yet to learn |
| 08:04.11 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 08:05.05 | JeffM2501 | javawizard2539: your unicode support all depends on what you wish to do with the project |
| 08:05.23 | JeffM2501 | but I can't think it would be to hard to support unicode in java, dosn't it have a string class that handles all that? |
| 08:05.29 | javawizard2539 | It does |
| 08:05.34 | JeffM2501 | then what is the problem? |
| 08:05.52 | javawizard2539 | The main problem is that the built-in functions for constructing a string from a char * only accept UTF-8 |
| 08:06.00 | javawizard2539 | So if the strings are utf-8, then everythin should be ok |
| 08:06.05 | javawizard2539 | but if they're unicode, then things will break |
| 08:06.10 | JeffM2501 | thats unicode IIRC |
| 08:06.15 | JeffM2501 | so what is the issue |
| 08:06.32 | javawizard2539 | UTF-8 is a method for encoding Unicode chars |
| 08:06.36 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 08:06.44 | javawizard2539 | Unicode uses 2 bytes per char, UTF-8 uses only 1 if the char is less than 128 |
| 08:06.50 | javawizard2539 | and more if it's greater, up to 4 bytes |
| 08:06.51 | JeffM2501 | and bzflag uses UTF8 |
| 08:06.58 | JeffM2501 | for it's unicode |
| 08:06.59 | javawizard2539 | Ok, then everything should be good |
| 08:07.07 | JeffM2501 | we don't use double bytes |
| 08:07.20 | JeffM2501 | that way we can still use std::string and char* |
| 08:07.25 | javawizard2539 | ooh, 126 errors when compiling the swig-generated code |
| 08:07.32 | JeffM2501 | so fix them |
| 08:07.34 | javawizard2539 | ok |
| 08:07.36 | javawizard2539 | :) |
| 08:07.41 | JeffM2501 | or find out what you did wrong in your swigconfig |
| 08:07.42 | javawizard2539 | I know, it's just that... 126 errors... wow |
| 08:07.57 | JeffM2501 | it's probably the same 2 errors repeated 63 times |
| 08:08.05 | javawizard2539 | They're all syntax errors |
| 08:08.11 | javawizard2539 | syntax error: missing ; before , |
| 08:08.15 | javawizard2539 | A bunch of those |
| 08:08.29 | JeffM2501 | propbably a typedef missing |
| 08:08.55 | JeffM2501 | is your goal in life to be a software developer? |
| 08:09.24 | a_meteorite | one error at a time is my motto |
| 08:09.54 | a_meteorite | what may seem like an incomprehensible amount of errors is just a domino effect of sorts |
| 08:09.58 | JeffM2501 | I usualy look to see if they are related, as 126 unique errors is nearly unheard of |
| 08:10.01 | javawizard2539 | JeffM2501: Yes...and I know what's coming btw |
| 08:10.04 | JeffM2501 | unless you haven't compiled in like a week |
| 08:10.22 | javawizard2539 | JeffM2501: It's putting this at the top, and I can't see how it wouldn't be some sort of syntax error |
| 08:10.25 | javawizard2539 | #ifdef __cplusplus |
| 08:10.27 | javawizard2539 | extern "C" { |
| 08:10.28 | javawizard2539 | #endif |
| 08:10.33 | JeffM2501 | that's valid C |
| 08:10.42 | javawizard2539 | The dangling brace too? |
| 08:10.48 | JeffM2501 | look at the end |
| 08:10.50 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 08:10.55 | JeffM2501 | you'll find another one |
| 08:11.00 | JeffM2501 | it's for c externs |
| 08:11.27 | javawizard2539 | heh, yep |
| 08:11.36 | javawizard2539 | really needs to check things out before asking questions |
| 08:12.43 | JeffM2501 | what is the line that has the error? |
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| 08:17.39 | javawizard2539 | So I got it to compile, and now it's giving me linker errors that I have no idea what they are |
| 08:18.15 | javawizard2539 | Something about unresolved externals |
| 08:18.37 | JeffM2501 | let me tune in my mind reading hat |
| 08:18.41 | JeffM2501 | what frequency |
| 08:19.19 | javawizard2539 | frequency? |
| 08:19.24 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 08:19.40 | javawizard2539 | There were 8 errors in all |
| 08:19.40 | JeffM2501 | and |
| 08:19.50 | javawizard2539 | They were all linker errors complaining about unresolved externals |
| 08:19.54 | javawizard2539 | I can pastebin if you want |
| 08:19.57 | JeffM2501 | *sigh* |
| 08:19.59 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 08:20.00 | JeffM2501 | dude |
| 08:20.01 | javawizard2539 | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m2342070f |
| 08:20.04 | javawizard2539 | I know |
| 08:20.05 | JeffM2501 | there you go |
| 08:20.12 | javawizard2539 | I've read on what the linker is and I still have no idea what the errors are |
| 08:20.42 | JeffM2501 | those should be in bzfs.lib |
| 08:21.30 | javawizard2539 | ok |
| 08:21.36 | javawizard2539 | goes to add that... |
| 08:25.12 | javawizard2539 | Still errors |
| 08:25.18 | javawizard2539 | but I'm going to go to bed tonight |
| 08:25.24 | JeffM2501 | have fun |
| 08:25.25 | javawizard2539 | and see if when I've had enough sleep I can solve it |
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| 15:34.31 | nn-main | Well im working on my map editer gtk bzedit again |
| 15:34.51 | nn-main | It still likes causeing gtk list entry to crash for no reason |
| 15:35.22 | nn-main | and some other bugs but the amount of stuff its starting to support on the editer side is tremendous |
| 15:35.42 | nn-main | Im also adding REALLY cool ad on features |
| 15:36.32 | MindstormsKid | will continue work on his map editor, jbzw, soon :P |
| 15:36.35 | nn-main | Right now im working on a feature called "entire map shifter" |
| 15:37.05 | nn-main | MindstormsKid, what language is is programed in |
| 15:37.15 | MindstormsKid | Javascript! :D |
| 15:37.24 | MindstormsKid | (NOT JAVA) |
| 15:37.24 | nn-main | MindstormsKid, wow |
| 15:37.36 | nn-main | MindstormsKid, what does it support |
| 15:37.44 | nn-main | * what objects |
| 15:37.51 | MindstormsKid | web-based, then i'll make a version for adobe AIR... |
| 15:38.43 | MindstormsKid | ehm |
| 15:39.06 | nn-main | MindstormsKid, Mine is in plane c and uses gtk and its big *** --->>> Aiming to support as many objects as possable |
| 15:39.45 | nn-main | and many features other editers dont have and dont support |
| 15:39.58 | MindstormsKid | well, for a while it just edited a normal bzw... but that was way to hard, so i'm making it parse it, then put all the stuff in variables |
| 15:40.44 | nn-main | MindstormsKid, if you could display the map using java script |
| 15:40.58 | nn-main | MindstormsKid, it would be a cool adition to bzfmaps.net :) |
| 15:41.48 | nn-main | MindstormsKid, you know #C ? |
| 15:41.54 | MindstormsKid | nope |
| 15:42.21 | MindstormsKid | actually, only Javascript (and jQuery, a js API), HTML, CSS and some PHP |
| 15:43.23 | MindstormsKid | It might be possible to display a map with <canvas> (and js) |
| 15:43.45 | nn-main | MindstormsKid, Java, and php are based of #C you should be able to figure out #C verry easly |
| 15:44.11 | brlcad | wonders why either of you two don't help out with bzworkbench .. it's pretty far along |
| 15:44.18 | nn-main | although C++ was a bit confusing untill recently |
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| 15:45.01 | nn-main | brlcad, my editer is also prity far along .... and so far bzworkbench is not universal form what i have seen |
| 15:45.10 | CBG` | Yeah. brlcad is wise. |
| 15:45.10 | MindstormsKid | brlcad: I don't know any of whatever it's programmed in. |
| 15:45.12 | CBG` | One uber complete app is going to be infinitely better than 5 half-done programs. |
| 15:45.48 | CBG` | MindstormsKid: and remaking it in JavaScript is better than learning how to help out or making something else entirely? |
| 15:46.06 | nn-main | CBG`, when I release my next one or 2 versions most of the editing part of my editer will be done |
| 15:46.15 | brlcad | MindstormsKid: so you learn whatever it's programmed in .. not that hard and there are lots of folks willing to help out |
| 15:46.28 | nn-main | it so far can phrase 99% of the objects in bzflag |
| 15:46.42 | brlcad | nn-main: what does "universal form" mean? |
| 15:46.45 | CBG` | I expect it is in some variation of C. Syntax wise, that is identical to PHP. |
| 15:47.02 | CBG` | And learning about OOP is a really good idea anyway. |
| 15:47.14 | nn-main | brlcad, works every where ...... linux, mac,windows |
| 15:47.18 | MindstormsKid | brlcad: when i'm done with my current projects, i'll learn C# |
| 15:47.19 | nn-main | ETC |
| 15:47.36 | MindstormsKid | CBG`: js is OO |
| 15:47.52 | CBG` | Then what is holding you back? |
| 15:48.01 | brlcad | nn-main: that's generally referred to as being "cross-platform", not "universal form" |
| 15:48.07 | brlcad | and bzwb is cross-platform |
| 15:48.35 | brlcad | architecturally, it's cleaner than a gtk approach too |
| 15:48.39 | nn-main | Although, I cant figure how to store mesh objects and materials ... and some repeadable objects |
| 15:48.43 | brlcad | much easier to maintain |
| 15:49.08 | nn-main | brlcad, what lang is bzwb written in |
| 15:49.18 | brlcad | C/C++ |
| 15:49.24 | CBG` | http://bzworkbench.wordpress.com/2007/05/30/page-created/ |
| 15:50.07 | brlcad | i'm not saying ditch one for the other -- could merge the efforts even |
| 15:50.33 | brlcad | just bzwb has has a fair bit of discussion and design go into it already, and is a pretty maintainable approach |
| 15:50.49 | brlcad | even if it didn't stick with things like fltk, which are inconsequential in the long run |
| 15:51.15 | brlcad | it's just be a lot better to have one editor that everyone worked on that was integrated into the core |
| 15:51.41 | brlcad | increase the mindshare in the code so that more than one person is familiar with the codebase |
| 15:51.51 | nn-main | it looks ok but i already made this from scratch ... and i intend to make it the best editer of all time |
| 15:52.03 | nn-main | I'm adding all kinds of goodies |
| 15:52.10 | nn-main | As i find i need them |
| 15:52.42 | brlcad | nn-main: eh, that was obvious befor I said anything -- but doesn't actually improve anything |
| 15:52.53 | brlcad | because in the end, you're the only one that will know the code |
| 15:53.03 | brlcad | so it'll sit there, maybe have a couple releases.. and you'll move on |
| 15:53.21 | nn-main | lol The code is not that complex |
| 15:53.23 | brlcad | vs contributing to the centralized effort with others |
| 15:53.24 | MindstormsKid | Can we stop talking about this? >_> |
| 15:53.30 | nn-main | and the project is opensource |
| 15:53.47 | brlcad | nn-main: so? |
| 15:54.01 | brlcad | plenty of open source code is wasted effort |
| 15:54.06 | nn-main | bbl getting back to to work on this special feature |
| 15:54.56 | MindstormsKid | Too many pessimists in BZFlag :P |
| 15:55.08 | brlcad | nn-main: my main point was that if you want the code to live beyond your interest, there are huge wins to be gained by contributing back where others are already playing |
| 15:55.27 | nn-main | i have been trying recently to figure out how to impliment the bzflag sceen node class dirrectly into my editer and thus have both wire frame and 3d views in my editer |
| 15:55.54 | brlcad | i.e. things that bzwb already *does* :) |
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| 15:56.31 | MindstormsKid | rolls eyes |
| 15:56.35 | nn-main | brlcad, so bzwb works of the direct seen code from bzflag ? |
| 15:56.37 | brlcad | MindstormsKid: it's not being pessimistic in the least -- it's trying to get people to work together instead of in isolation |
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| 15:57.04 | MindstormsKid | brlcad: ok, when i'm done with jbzw i'll help with bzwb >_> |
| 15:57.55 | brlcad | MindstormsKid: if you're competent enough to complete a jbzw, then you'd be a huge asset to work on bzwb already -- and I don't doubt that you are |
| 15:58.11 | brlcad | that'a a major piece of clay just waiting for some revived lovin' |
| 15:58.49 | nn-main | brlcad, we will see what happens .... I will take a look at bzwb and see if it is go enofugh to cosider working on .... to many editers have eather to complex code or two fiew objects |
| 15:59.39 | brlcad | better view of bzworkbench: http://bzworkbench.wordpress.com/ |
| 15:59.42 | nn-main | my code is about as simple as i can make it .... just standard #C and gtk commands and thats about it |
| 16:00.03 | brlcad | you can see where he left off feature-wise |
| 16:00.52 | nn-main | lol ==>> zone (haven?t started; don?t know what to expect just yet) ::: My editer already fully supports that |
| 16:01.41 | brlcad | so you have something to offer |
| 16:01.52 | brlcad | all he said was he didn't even look at it |
| 16:01.54 | nn-main | although I need to figure out how to make it so that i can have a reall 3d view ++ a wire frame |
| 16:02.09 | brlcad | you don't even have a 3d view yet? |
| 16:02.19 | nn-main | yes ___ I have over a fiew 1000 lines of code so far |
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| 16:02.37 | brlcad | lines of code is a BS measurement of progress/quality |
| 16:02.47 | brlcad | absolute BS |
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| 16:03.54 | nn-main | I just have been tuching it up all over the place. The way i went about my editer was to right code to support all objects (or as many as possable )and edit then go back and inpruve the viewer and add special features |
| 16:04.23 | brlcad | your sentiments are understandable as they are classic (bad) developer traits -- I suggest you read this some time: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html |
| 16:04.27 | nn-main | Un fortently my program seems to hate gtk list so depending on the map it seems to crash. im working hard on fixing that |
| 16:06.00 | nn-main | brlcad, you might think your program is the best and it may be for sertian things but I am not just going to give up after 2 to 3 months of hard work and more |
| 16:06.13 | nn-main | brlcad, Give my editer a chance |
| 16:06.24 | brlcad | nn-main: it's not my editor |
| 16:06.29 | brlcad | and no I dont' think it's the best |
| 16:06.36 | brlcad | it needs a lot of work, like any code |
| 16:06.56 | brlcad | i'm not saying you should give up and abandon what you've done either, I'm saying collaborate |
| 16:07.31 | brlcad | it's not about code ownership.. "your program", "my editor" .. horrible for long-term longevity -- it should be collective |
| 16:08.20 | nn-main | brlcad, I will hopefully will be relasing a new version soon so you can see for your self what my editer does .... It dosent use 3d it uses 3d mesh transform so it is compatable with all computers including the OLPC which dosent have any 3d to speek of .... so im planing to add 3d to help a lot with the interface but it will be as a compiler flag so the editer will still work on minicomputers. |
| 16:08.23 | brlcad | all I was saying was to consider it too, just don't expect high praises so long as it's "your editor" and you haven't worked with anyone |
| 16:09.04 | brlcad | you still don't get it -- the features frankly DON'T MATTER |
| 16:09.07 | nn-main | brlcad, actually the "I havent worked with anyone is wrong ..." jeffm helped me a lot |
| 16:09.12 | brlcad | we've had editors that were 100% *complete* before |
| 16:09.41 | brlcad | but they don't survive because only one developer worked on them, or had other disastrous traits in terms of long-term maintenance |
| 16:09.57 | nn-main | no use arguing I have to finish this really cool feature that will allow me to stack maps in 3d space |
| 16:09.58 | brlcad | maintainability is much more important |
| 16:10.27 | brlcad | nn-main: by working with someone, i don't mean design -- i mean actually someone else changing code on you |
| 16:10.52 | nn-main | point .... brlcad so you want to help ??? |
| 16:10.58 | brlcad | nn-main: I do hope you succeed either way, it wasn't meant to be discouraging |
| 16:11.25 | brlcad | it was to at least have you consider working with the project that has by far the most effort invested and progress made, and a design that is considerably more maintainable |
| 16:11.29 | nn-main | brlcad, well it is what it is we will see how it comes out |
| 16:11.42 | brlcad | nn-main: if it's on the centralized effort, yeah, I'd help |
| 16:11.43 | nn-main | brlcad, I still have to do a lot to it |
| 16:11.58 | brlcad | no kidding |
| 16:12.08 | brlcad | working alone is always a lot of work |
| 16:12.31 | nn-main | brlcad, I would like it to be a centralized effort but I'm really new to programing |
| 16:12.53 | nn-main | in the sence that i have verry little knolage on svn an group efforts |
| 16:13.02 | nn-main | patches and other such things |
| 16:13.08 | brlcad | that's the easiest to get help on by-far |
| 16:13.20 | brlcad | you wouldn't be doing "patches" .. you'd be committing directly |
| 16:13.54 | brlcad | svn is really just another step -- you save your file, you commit it |
| 16:14.03 | nn-main | brlcad, if i do use svn I would kindive like to set it up on my host though and I don't really know how to do that yet |
| 16:14.20 | nn-main | ya |
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| 16:15.04 | nn-main | well I need to finish this piece of code and clean up 2 or three things so ... later today or tomarrow I will tar what i have done so far |
| 16:15.13 | nn-main | so you can take a look at it |
| 16:19.51 | nn-main | brlcad, right now im buiding a gtk window that handles the operation for shifting values for all objects in a map===>>> options in this feature 1. a.Possition b. Rotation c. Size 2. Access a. X b. Y c. Z 3. Operation a. Add b. Subtract c. Multiply d. Devide 4. Number to do this operation with. |
| 16:20.16 | nn-main | its actually a really usefull feature. |
| 16:21.30 | nn-main | espesically when it gets combined with another feature called map combination which is in planning and hasent yet been created |
| 16:22.28 | brlcad | that's still dwelling on the features, which are nice and all .. but really not what I (personally) care about for the long-term :) |
| 16:22.57 | brlcad | I care about the long-term survival of code, that your (great) features exist beyond your interest in working on them |
| 16:24.59 | nn-main | well I cindive found this feature usefull so im just spending some small time making it cleaner .... then all I really need to check and semi fix is how many disimal places and new lines that the save function out puts then its ready for a release. |
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| 18:07.45 | joevano | nn-main: are you aware that your server is cheater heaven lately |
| 18:09.10 | JefferyM | but he's got one admin, that should be fine right? |
| 18:09.22 | blast007 | ;) |
| 18:10.00 | blast007 | though my servers only have one admin too :P I'm just not afraid to ban large ranges or whole ISPs. |
| 18:10.15 | blast007 | (or whole countries) |
| 18:10.21 | JefferyM | I trust your one admin a lot more |
| 18:11.43 | JefferyM | yours dosn't ask to masterban someone when you are too lazy to do a local ban |
| 18:11.57 | MindstormsKid | blast007: whole countries... O_o |
| 18:12.05 | JefferyM | china |
| 18:12.07 | blast007 | MindstormsKid: sure |
| 18:12.14 | blast007 | I banned Chile once ;) |
| 18:12.17 | blast007 | and Hungary |
| 18:12.36 | MindstormsKid | XD |
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| 18:53.56 | joevano | ive banned poland and france |
| 18:54.22 | joevano | the french one came back to bite me though.. had to narow it down |
| 18:54.28 | MindstormsKid | yea |
| 18:54.43 | JefferyM | but did you see underpants? |
| 18:55.34 | spldart | wow |
| 18:55.49 | joevano | hehe |
| 18:55.52 | MindstormsKid | huh..? |
| 18:56.09 | joevano | your too young to remember MindstormsKid |
| 18:56.18 | MindstormsKid | ok |
| 18:56.19 | joevano | i see london... |
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| 19:56.04 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/dyncol.bzw |
| 19:56.19 | trepan | new dynamic color controls (state & delay) |
| 19:56.47 | trepan | i'd like to remove backwards compat. for the sinusoids, clamps, and seqs ... |
| 19:57.15 | trepan | (so there would only be state control and BZDB control) |
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| 22:44.20 | trepan | was not reported here, so ... r19064 made the dynamic colors changes i'd mentionned |
| 22:45.41 | TD-Linux | trepan, state control.. |
| 22:45.47 | TD-Linux | keyframes basically? |
| 22:45.55 | TD-Linux | is there interpolation? |
| 22:45.56 | trepan | yup |
| 22:46.14 | TD-Linux | can the interpolation method be selected? |
| 22:46.43 | trepan | you can get hard edges with 0 length frames |
| 22:47.35 | TD-Linux | was thinking interpolation that could result in sinusoidal |
| 22:47.45 | trepan | nope, no splines |
| 22:47.45 | TD-Linux | though that's sortof useless |
| 22:48.14 | TD-Linux | if really necessary, it can be decently approximated with several states |
| 22:48.19 | trepan | yup |
| 22:48.42 | trepan | 100 frames / second should be more than enough for the human eye :) |
| 22:49.32 | trepan | anyways, much easier to use in general (imo) |
| 22:49.58 | trepan | had thought about doing it this way originally; but opted to play with fourier series |
| 22:50.42 | TD-Linux | why set red, green, blue individually? |
| 22:51.05 | TD-Linux | also, what would be the preferred way for the server to set dyncolor? |
| 22:51.23 | trepan | there are only two methods now: states & bzdb var |
| 22:51.33 | trepan | use whichever suits your needs |
| 22:52.17 | trepan | (there will be a third method, but it wont be server-side) |
| 22:54.53 | TD-Linux | is it lua? |
| 22:55.06 | trepan | yup |
| 22:55.56 | trepan | which could also be done via bzdb vars ... but raw access is less messy |
| 23:26.06 | nn-main | ls |
| 23:26.32 | nn-main | hi all brlcad you here ?? |
| 23:27.09 | nn-main | After working like all day and fixing around 10 or more things in my editer its ready for the next release |
| 23:27.23 | Winny | I'm sure it is |
| 23:27.27 | Winny | post it on the forums then |
| 23:28.13 | nn-main | as of now it can read more objects and phrase and edit them than the objects it can save and view |
| 23:28.52 | nn-main | * well actually it can save a big amount of objects |
| 23:29.04 | nn-main | but its getting there |
| 23:30.07 | nn-main | it is now building capibilitys as 3 applications depending on what you need 1. gtkbzedit 2. gtkbzedit_viewer 3. gtkbzedit_with_extras |
| 23:33.35 | nn-main | http://userbin.net/gtkbzedit_2.2.tbz2 |
| 23:39.17 | JefferyM | nn-main, editOR |
| 23:39.35 | JefferyM | and parser |
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| 23:53.33 | nn-main | well its in the forums now :) |