| 00:19.15 | javawizard2539 | JefferyM: Is there any better documentation on the bzflag api than is on the wiki? |
| 00:20.56 | JefferyM | the soure code |
| 00:20.56 | JefferyM | here |
| 00:21.06 | JefferyM | what did you need to know about? |
| 00:23.10 | javawizard2539 | Registering a custom plugin handler |
| 00:23.12 | javawizard2539 | But I think I found how to do it from the python plugin |
| 00:23.59 | JefferyM | it should be prety straight forward |
| 00:24.06 | JefferyM | give it a class, handler, go to town |
| 00:24.54 | JefferyM | derive off your own, bz_APIPluginHandler and you are set |
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| 00:47.53 | mmarshall | Just out of curiosity, did anyone notice that javascript plugin I made a while back? |
| 00:48.57 | mmarshall | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=129845 |
| 00:55.42 | trepan | i hadn't -- but cool |
| 00:55.48 | trepan | doesn't seem to compile, missing v8.h ? |
| 00:56.15 | mmarshall | You need to download google's v8 engine separately. |
| 00:56.22 | mmarshall | I think the Readme talks about that. |
| 00:57.02 | trepan | Install.txt does, not the Readme |
| 00:57.21 | mmarshall | ok |
| 00:57.35 | mmarshall | It's amazing the things you forget :) |
| 00:58.15 | jh` | its more amazing what you remember:) |
| 00:59.00 | mmarshall | that too :) |
| 01:04.08 | trepan | missing <stdlib.h> and <string.h> |
| 01:04.31 | mmarshall | What OS are you on? |
| 01:04.36 | trepan | and then it works (along with the 22M v8 svn pull) |
| 01:04.40 | trepan | linux |
| 01:04.56 | mmarshall | Oh, you mean you had to add those lines? |
| 01:05.04 | trepan | abort() and strlen(), respectively |
| 01:06.28 | mmarshall | Strange... I just tried compiling it and I had the same problem.... it worked two months ago! |
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| 01:06.30 | trepan | you might want to change call_event() to call_event(const char* ...) |
| 01:06.37 | trepan | (to avoids cast warnings) |
| 01:06.42 | trepan | *avoid |
| 01:06.59 | mmarshall | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.40 | mmarshall | I just pushed a change fixing those two things. |
| 01:14.02 | trepan | don't think it'll work for me anyways, amd64 |
| 01:17.06 | mmarshall | You're right! |
| 01:17.16 | mmarshall | That stinks. |
| 01:18.13 | mmarshall | I just took it for granted that 64 bit wouldn't be a problem with v8 :-( |
| 01:18.22 | trepan | s'ok, i've got my lua thingy ;-) |
| 01:18.54 | mmarshall | I hadn't heard of the lua plugin... how long has that been around? |
| 01:19.00 | trepan | 3/4 weeks? |
| 01:19.03 | mmarshall | And how complete is it? |
| 01:19.29 | mmarshall | Ok, so it wasn't born yet when I wrote the v8 plugin. |
| 01:19.32 | trepan | relatively complete -- no extra libs / downloads required |
| 01:20.07 | mmarshall | I guess it's only being developed against the 3.0 branch? |
| 01:20.20 | trepan | how about spidermonkey and its brethren? |
| 01:20.44 | trepan | ya, the lua stuff is only for ~3.0 |
| 01:21.51 | mmarshall | I started out with spidermonkey, but it's api wasn't as nice to work with as v8's, and it had a bunch of needless dependencies for ssl and stuff... and the -dev packages on ubuntu were broken at the time. |
| 01:22.04 | trepan | libmozjs1d (debian package for spidermonkey --) |
| 01:22.17 | mmarshall | IIRC it only took me 2 hours to rewrite the plugin using v8. |
| 01:22.23 | trepan | oops, didn't mean to post that, was reading your prev. post ;-) |
| 01:22.45 | mmarshall | (Much of which was spent figuring out v8.) |
| 01:24.04 | mmarshall | Lua is a better way to go anyway. |
| 01:24.39 | mmarshall | (I just thought embedding javascript in a game sounded like fun, which it was, even though I never actually made use of it.) |
| 01:25.16 | mmarshall | Thanks for taking a look, anyway :-) |
| 01:29.26 | spldart | crap... I was gonna ask jeff about the whole VC8 -> VC9 thing :( |
| 01:29.57 | spldart | should have been watching closer |
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| 03:02.33 | spldart | Are we back to vc8 now? |
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| 03:02.46 | jh` | vide cor meum |
| 03:10.03 | blast007 | spldart: still looks like VC9 to me |
| 03:15.25 | javawizard2539 | spldart: were there any plans to go back? |
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| 03:28.09 | brlcad | woot, http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/play-linux-games-from-a-live-dvd/ |
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| 03:48.17 | spldart | was waiting for the answer from jeff... Was some problem I was having with EE vc9 that seemed to have him concerned enough to run a build in a VM |
| 03:54.20 | javawizard2539 | spldart: try pinging him |
| 03:54.27 | javawizard2539 | or at least include his username in your message |
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| 03:55.23 | spldart | Heh.... I'm so not paying attention to xchat right now... I don't want to call more attention to myself than I'll actually utilize :) |
| 03:56.13 | javawizard2539 | ;-) |
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| 04:15.39 | spldart | Heck... I just started checking out brlcad's live-dvd link and have just started a download ;-) |
| 04:16.11 | spldart | ... delayed reaction |
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| 04:24.19 | brlcad | spldart: heh, lemme know how it goes |
| 04:24.57 | spldart | lg-live-0.9.4.iso here I come.... I hope.. he |
| 04:25.06 | spldart | h |
| 04:25.45 | spldart | if my connection here wont hang I'll start a bandwidth/resumable wget @ work |
| 04:26.53 | spldart | is nvid the way to go for a linux distro for easy 3d? that's what I've beeen seeing the last 2 + years. |
| 04:29.05 | spldart | Ok.. I'll shut up now, after reading up. ;-) |
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| 04:56.21 | javawizard2539 | short_circuit: you remind me of me :) |
| 04:56.21 | javawizard2539 | I ask too many questions without doing enough research, something I'm trying to work on |
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| 07:18.13 | short_circuit | Should I be insulted or flattered... Or indifferent... hrm |
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| 07:44.27 | JeffM | spldart, I wanted to use my VM cus you can't have VC9 and VC9EE installed at the same time |
| 07:49.13 | javawizard2539 | spldart: "Ok.. I'll shut up now, after reading up." |
| 07:49.40 | javawizard2539 | Which seemed to say something along the lines of "I'm asking too many questions without doing enough research" |
| 07:49.47 | javawizard2539 | and I was cringing while reading it :) |
| 07:56.11 | JeffM | javawizard2539, you are young, it is a common trait |
| 07:56.26 | JeffM | that and just jumping in and trying to learn something by doing before doing the groundwork |
| 07:57.00 | javawizard2539 | cringes again :) |
| 07:57.22 | JeffM | then you will say "but tha'ts how I learn, by doing" :) |
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| 07:59.29 | javawizard2539 | but that's how I... |
| 07:59.36 | javawizard2539 | erm |
| 07:59.41 | javawizard2539 | :) |
| 08:00.14 | JeffM | that may be true, but for most people that say that I think that it is more true to say that is simply HOW they have learned in the past, not the only way they can |
| 08:00.27 | JeffM | there is something to be said for laying your groundwork properly |
| 08:01.19 | javawizard2539 | Yeah |
| 08:01.26 | javawizard2539 | I've learned books (and the web) are invaluable resources |
| 08:01.50 | javawizard2539 | is reading C++ Primer Plus and C++ in a nutshell as he speaks |
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| 08:27.48 | bz92 | hi - is it cool to take a pass over the Getting_Started wiki page for "end-user-friendly" language? |
| 08:31.13 | bz92 | it uses lots of passive language, many third-person references -- "<X task>can be done by the user" etc. -- better to use 2nd person, active mode: "You can do <X task> by" |
| 08:31.50 | bz92 | I've already bee through it, and have a re-write ready -- but didn't want to shock anyone or do something unwanted |
| 08:33.08 | DTRemenak | http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlagWiki:Content_Policy#Writing_Style - please avoid second person |
| 08:33.23 | DTRemenak | aside from that, be bold :) |
| 08:35.52 | bz92 | wow, thanks - I missed that. don't mind me, but it's total geek bull. that's the language bias of the tiny clique of academics, not the way to communicate with broad audiences effectively. |
| 08:36.45 | bz92 | the whole ting about "a wiki is not a conversation" -- what tripe! |
| 08:37.17 | DTRemenak | it's not a conversation. it's documentation, and should be written in a professional manner |
| 08:39.42 | bz92 | professional communicators choose modes of expression that are optimal for their audience, period. and "documentation" suggests a static artifact, which was fine for the Dead Tree era |
| 08:40.49 | bz92 | but what is a wiki software guide for, if not a two-way exchange of knowledge - that's not a conversation? |
| 08:41.00 | DTRemenak | technical writing is different than personal writing, and different standards should be used. professionalism is not dead, thankfully. |
| 08:41.52 | DTRemenak | there's a reason for the split between article pages and talk pages |
| 08:42.56 | DTRemenak | both are used for two-way exchange of knowledge. articles are documentation, talk pages are conversation. and nothing says documentation needs to be static...the most useful documentation is that which is readily updated. |
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| 08:47.38 | bz92 | what - or who - is this *game* documentation for? a dry treatise from one technical "professional" to other technical professionals? |
| 08:48.28 | bz92 | or are you actually interested in helping lots of ordinary people to get playing BZFlag? |
| 08:49.33 | DTRemenak | are you saying ordinary people can't read professional communication? what do they teach in public schools these days, text-speak? |
| 08:50.42 | bz92 | thanks, I think you've just acknowledged that You Don't Get Out Much with the regular people. |
| 08:52.47 | bz92 | the language model you're promoting is "technocrat-ese"; regular people prefer shorter, direct active discourse; fewer and shorter words are vastly preferred to tendentious polysyllabic adumbration. |
| 08:54.10 | bz92 | I don't suppose the phrase "Don't Make Me Think!" resonates very much for you, does it? |
| 08:55.01 | bz92 | ...never mind that it's the current cogent, professional distillation of User Experience professionals |
| 08:55.25 | DTRemenak | there's nothing wrong with using concise, active voice, descriptive language. it's inappropriate to use second-person language when you do not know exactly to whom you are speaking. |
| 08:56.00 | bz92 | "inappropriate" how? |
| 08:56.11 | DTRemenak | and no, I prefer the phrase, "Teach them how to think, not what to think" |
| 08:56.33 | DTRemenak | inappropriate because you do not know if the second person actually applies to the person reading your article |
| 08:56.43 | bz92 | because in German etc. you might use the familiar "Du" instead of "Sie"? |
| 08:57.30 | bz92 | because the person reading the article might be doing so on behalf of someone else? |
| 09:00.35 | DTRemenak | second-person is specifically for direct address. in formal and business communications, it frequently results in the insertion or implication of conditions which do not apply to your specific audience. your target audience and your actual audience are not necessarily the same, and you should not narrow the cope of your writing so much that you alienate non-target audiences. |
| 09:03.10 | bz92 | I am arguing *exactly* your last point. the formal, impersonal style you are supporting does *exactly* that, for the *majority* of the population. |
| 09:04.05 | bz92 | and what's so formal and business-like about the Getting_Started content for an Open Source *game*, for goodness' sakes? |
| 09:05.41 | bz92 | when someone needs to read a Getting Started piece, they're vastly more likely to be seeking direct address of How To Get Started. they do not come to that page asking to be Taught How To Think. |
| 09:07.36 | jorgenpt | I actually agree with bz92, at least on the subject of the Getting_Started page. |
| 09:08.10 | jorgenpt | It's a page directed at people who don't know where to start, and need their hand held during initial setup; not be confused by overly complex formulations. |
| 09:10.11 | bz92 | proposition: can you create me a target page I can upload to, so y'all can see them side-by-side? I don't speak Wiki well enough yet to stitch in a new page. |
| 09:10.59 | DTRemenak | jorgenpt: see that? you just made an assumption about the audience...that the reader needs his or her hand held. that's exactly the sort of assumption that using second-person encourages. The subject of the wiki, including Getting Started, is the software, not the user. |
| 09:11.32 | jorgenpt | DTRemenak: Are you saying "Getting Started" is useful for anyone who do NOT need a step-by-step guide to setting up BZFlag? |
| 09:11.32 | AAA_awright | It isn't a very hard concept of language: When you are not addressing a particular party, do not use such terms as "I" "you" "me" etc. |
| 09:11.49 | jorgenpt | I can see how you'd use that argument on most other parts of the wiki. |
| 09:12.04 | bz92 | jorgenpt probably meant to say "...and are very likely to need and appreciate..." |
| 09:12.04 | DTRemenak | bz92: if you search for a page that does not exist, one of the first links will be "create this page" |
| 09:12.44 | jorgenpt | Anyway, I don't have the time to contribute to this discussion, I've got an exam on monday, so studying needs to be performed. |
| 09:12.49 | jorgenpt | Catch you cats later. |
| 09:13.03 | bz92 | AAA_awright: I do in fact understand what is being stipulated, thanks. I got my advanced-level English qualifications a very long time ago. |
| 09:13.30 | bz92 | thanks, DTRemenak! |
| 09:13.44 | DTRemenak | no problem |
| 09:14.39 | bz92 | DT, I didn't actually come here looking for an argument! you touched a nerve - I'm a raging populist. |
| 09:15.24 | DTRemenak | no problem...I'm a tech professional and ex-academic ;) everyone has their biases |
| 09:16.11 | bz92 | I realized from your first response that I'd blown it by not reading more broadly before putting my reactions to the GS page into action, and that the output would not in fact likely be welcome. |
| 09:17.37 | bz92 | may I take it that the language you cited is standard Wiki boilerplate, rather than being a special BZFlag invention? |
| 09:18.32 | DTRemenak | I certainly don't mean to imply that revisions aren't welcome; they are. There's plenty of ugly and awkward language on that page. |
| 09:19.53 | DTRemenak | in that case, I believe it is. We pulled most of the language for the policies from several established wikis, and edited it to match our specific application (there are plenty of things that make sense for wikipedia, as one example, that don't make any sense for game docs) |
| 09:20.53 | DTRemenak | the most important thing at that time was to establish internal consistency for new content. external consistency is a bonus. |
| 09:25.34 | javawizard2539 | bz92: I would tend to side with you, mainly because I agree with your point that most, if not all, users seeking out a "getting started" page are looking for help on how they can get started |
| 09:26.15 | javawizard2539 | And in my mind, it makes it more clear if you tell them how to get started, not tell them how someone else might have got started or how someone else could get started |
| 09:26.36 | javawizard2539 | If they're not the one that needs to get started, then I can't see why they'd be reading it |
| 09:28.54 | javawizard2539 | Which looks better? step 1: open up this program. You'll need to provide this and that options to it when it starts. Step 2: enter your username into the program |
| 09:29.05 | bz92 | okey dokey - check out my.bzflag.org/w/Getting_Started_Gets_Up_Close_And_Personal -- there are some indent/hierarchy issues toward the end: I must have mangled some Wiki spells -- but you can see what i meant |
| 09:29.32 | javawizard2539 | vs. step 1: the user should start the program. The user would want to include such and such an option when it starts. Step 2: the user should enter their username |
| 09:29.49 | javawizard2539 | For the sake of linking it, http://my.bzflag.org/w/Getting_Started_Gets_Up_Close_And_Personal |
| 09:29.59 | bz92 | ah, thanks! |
| 09:31.10 | javawizard2539 | bz92: In my opinion, your version looks much better |
| 09:31.20 | javawizard2539 | but that's just me |
| 09:31.39 | javawizard2539 | should I ping dt? |
| 09:31.42 | bz92 | DT, I do indeed understand the merits of establishing a Style Guide... I too have some scar tissue! |
| 09:32.13 | javawizard2539 | DTRemenak: ? |
| 09:32.19 | javawizard2539 | (pinging) |
| 09:32.38 | DTRemenak | javawizard2539: step 1. When starting the program, options may be provided to alter behavior as follows (...). Step 2. a username must be entered to provide identification to other users. |
| 09:32.55 | javawizard2539 | bz92: one tip, if you include the person's full username, then their IRC client typically notifies them in some way to get their attention |
| 09:33.06 | javawizard2539 | hmm |
| 09:33.08 | DTRemenak | don't tell them WHAT to do, tell them HOW what they CAN do affects what WILL happen |
| 09:33.11 | javawizard2539 | I would tend to side the opposite |
| 09:33.25 | DTRemenak | i.e. describe the software |
| 09:33.35 | DTRemenak | let them interpret it |
| 09:33.36 | bz92 | ah. I have used BZFlag exactly once. I ama long-time BattleZone fan... |
| 09:34.45 | bz92 | DT, is it not exceedingly likely that every potential Getting_Started reader will want to know how to move his/her tank? |
| 09:35.15 | DTRemenak | sure...or, maybe they already know that, but want to know how to chat? |
| 09:35.48 | javawizard2539 | Then they just read down to the part where it instructs them on how to chat |
| 09:35.59 | javawizard2539 | assumes it's there, not really relevant to the conversation |
| 09:36.01 | bz92 | So I didn't knwo about the chat thing; yes, javawiz beat me to it. |
| 09:36.06 | javawizard2539 | :D |
| 09:36.17 | javawizard2539 | You press N, type a message, then press enter |
| 09:36.22 | javawizard2539 | What's your bzflag callsgn btw? |
| 09:36.23 | DTRemenak | heh...ok, maybe a bad example if it's not on the current page :) |
| 09:36.30 | bz92 | adrianrf |
| 09:36.31 | javawizard2539 | :) |
| 09:36.39 | javawizard2539 | ok |
| 09:36.43 | javawizard2539 | oh wait |
| 09:36.45 | javawizard2539 | nvm |
| 09:36.49 | DTRemenak | must admit to not having read the getting started guide since it was about three sentences long |
| 09:36.55 | javawizard2539 | :D |
| 09:37.02 | bz92 | lol! |
| 09:39.36 | DTRemenak | hey, I never said my end of the conversation wasn't entirely academic :) I deal mostly in theory, not practice...probably just reinforcing whatever negative opinions you've managed to form of me ;) |
| 09:40.12 | bz92 | DTRemenak, I have to thank you -- it's been way too long since I had a chance for a Free and Frank exchange of views with someone a) literate and b) not a sleazy corrupt weaselly politician -- but I repeat myself |
| 09:40.46 | bz92 | hah! you didn't have to say it -- it was utterly apparent! |
| 09:41.25 | javawizard2539 | heads over to play some bzflag on bzflagr |
| 09:41.39 | javawizard2539 | bzflagr.net |
| 09:41.50 | javawizard2539 | If I'm not back in 15 minutes, someone go over there and ban me |
| 09:41.54 | DTRemenak | thanks for being understanding ;) disagreements are much nicer when people are civil and literate :) |
| 09:41.56 | javawizard2539 | I really need to work on my plugin |
| 09:42.21 | javawizard2539 | and bzflag is just too addicting |
| 09:43.04 | DTRemenak | and honestly, if the policies need to change, then they need to change. my personal preferences don't have a whole lot to do with it. |
| 09:43.22 | bz92 | well, you certainly inhabited an archetype I seem to have accumulated a lot of baggage about! |
| 09:43.52 | bz92 | javawiz, a BZFlag plugin, I hope? |
| 09:44.12 | DTRemenak | feel free to use the talk page on http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlagWiki:Content_Policy and leave notes on the other admins' user_talk pages if you want to discuss changes to policy |
| 09:45.14 | bz92 | oh, I am so not a process person, DTR. I am a reflexive copy editor with a consumer marketing bias from way back. |
| 09:45.39 | DTRemenak | ah, so that's where the "get inside their heads" comes from :) |
| 09:46.21 | bz92 | I'm also an inverate and incorrigible iconoclast; the very word "policy" sends shudders through my nether regions. |
| 09:46.58 | DTRemenak | our marketing department asked me to write copy, once...they reviewed it and told me I was too honest to be a marketer :| |
| 09:47.42 | bz92 | yes. have written manuals for mass-market shrinkwrap software in the past. gotta connect fast, or thousands of people call tech support and the profits go poof! |
| 09:48.23 | bz92 | I could well imagine that about you, DTR -- and for sure about the mktg dept! |
| 09:49.05 | bz92 | above was meant to be "inveterate and incorrigible" |
| 09:49.36 | DTRemenak | I've written my share of end-user docs, too, but mostly for the more involved and technical aspects of our product that our documentation department doesn't feel up to learning enough about to document properly |
| 09:49.55 | bz92 | hee hee hee! I love it! |
| 09:50.31 | bz92 | again, if it's a protocol breach, my apols in advance: what sort of product? |
| 09:50.51 | DTRemenak | CAD/CAM |
| 09:51.38 | bz92 | oh - my - god. was about to guess "chip design tools" -- that's close enough! |
| 09:54.16 | bz92 | well, I absolutely better go crash. or play BZFlag until I fall asleep...! thanks again for the hammer and tongs, and your tolerance and patience during same. |
| 09:55.04 | DTRemenak | no problem! you're always welcome here, on the wiki, and ingame :) have fun with BZFlag! |
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| 10:12.03 | javawizard2539 | If bz92 (or adrianrf or whatever his username was) shows up again, tell him I am indeed working on a plugin |
| 10:12.37 | javawizard2539 | goes to bed (3:15 in the morning) |
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| 15:04.01 | delusional | Tendentious polysyllabic adumbration. |
| 15:04.12 | delusional | hopes that bz92 returns |
| 15:07.25 | delusional | has intense difficulty writing in the wiki style |
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| 17:31.13 | Winny | JeffM2501: did you sago server go down yesterday? |
| 17:31.20 | Winny | ours did, and it appears .bz did too... |
| 17:31.26 | Winny | err, this morning |
| 17:31.29 | JeffM2501 | dunno |
| 17:31.45 | Winny | about 1am PST I'd say |
| 17:31.57 | JeffM2501 | I don't keep 24/7 track of that |
| 17:32.20 | Winny | ah |
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| 18:06.38 | blast007 | JeffM2501: an 'uptime' command would verify that though ;) |
| 18:06.58 | DTRemenak | yes, it did |
| 18:07.07 | blast007 | fun.. |
| 18:07.20 | DTRemenak | it does so far more often than I'd like |
| 18:07.27 | DTRemenak | is a bit annoyed by that |
| 18:08.31 | Winny | DTRemenak: let's stage a protest |
| 18:08.37 | Winny | you pay for the plane tickets |
| 18:08.47 | blast007 | hehe |
| 18:08.51 | DTRemenak | pft |
| 18:08.55 | JeffM2501 | dude, just send them an email |
| 18:08.58 | JeffM2501 | you pay for that stuff |
| 18:09.09 | DTRemenak | Jer sent them one yesterday, I think |
| 18:09.14 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 18:09.36 | JeffM2501 | protest.. what is this high school? |
| 18:10.16 | Winny | JeffM2501: we did.. and they seemed less than concerned |
| 18:10.32 | JeffM2501 | then tell them that you are going elsewhere |
| 18:10.41 | Winny | that'll be the next move |
| 18:12.01 | JeffM2501 | or have them move you out of tampa |
| 18:12.07 | JeffM2501 | as all the power issues are there |
| 18:12.11 | JeffM2501 | go to atlanta |
| 18:13.17 | Winny | hmm, good idea |
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| 21:03.45 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19041 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/lua/ (6 files): |
| 21:03.45 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: * added ban queries |
| 21:03.45 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: * cleaned up the casting by defining 'bool lua_tobool()' and lua_pushdouble() |
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| 21:32.30 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19042 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/plugin_utils/plugin_utils.h: * fixed/simplified compare_nocase() (wasn't handling maxlength accurately) |
| 21:36.18 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19043 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/plugin_utils/plugin_utils.h: * moved the maxlength clamp (avoids a possibly unnecessary test) |
| 21:39.36 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19044 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/plugin_utils/plugin_utils.h: * uhm... ya... no test required to clamp maxlength; coffee time :) |
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| 21:42.43 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19045 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/lua/callouts.cpp: * added 'assert(sizeof(void*) >= sizeof(uint32_t));' for the lua_lightuserdata() timers |
| 21:42.57 | nn-main | HELLLPPPPP !!!! There is a cheet called ultimate tank and when ever he gets banned he bans half the People on your server !!!!! |
| 21:43.07 | nn-main | PLEASE global ban him |
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| 21:45.15 | delusional | more info needed |
| 21:45.33 | nn-main | what more info do you need |
| 21:45.34 | nn-main | ? |
| 21:46.26 | nn-main | * what other info do you need |
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| 21:50.42 | nn-main | blast007, i need help with that cheet |
| 21:50.50 | nn-main | what do i do about him |
| 21:52.21 | nn-main | delusional, I can Get his ip is he tryes to come again and possibly sub net mask as well |
| 21:52.45 | nn-main | delusional, he also aoids previous bans ' |
| 21:55.04 | delusional | not a lot i can tell you |
| 21:56.17 | Winny | nn-main: then he figured out your server password. Change it. |
| 21:58.31 | BulletCatcher | If the cheater changes IP addresses then the best you can do is to ban ranges. For example, if his IP address is 10.9.8.7 then ban 10.9.8.* . |
| 21:59.51 | BulletCatcher | The risk of that is that you may also ban other innocent players, but that doesn't happen very often. |
| 22:03.25 | blast007 | nn-main: was that on your server? |
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| 22:09.06 | catay | he is on viper now , but i don't see him doing anything wrong |
| 22:09.50 | nn-main | ok |
| 22:09.57 | nn-main | you will |
| 22:10.11 | nn-main | catay, he cant be shot |
| 22:10.29 | catay | i rather wanna see it myself first before booting him |
| 22:10.40 | nn-main | catay, and he cant be baned by the server otherwize half the server gets banned |
| 22:11.12 | nn-main | Ultimate Tank is his name and he has repedily enfringed on my servers :( |
| 22:14.14 | catay | nn-main: i just banned him and i did not see that kinda behaviour ;) |
| 22:21.54 | blast007 | nn-main: do you use an admin password on your server? |
| 22:22.30 | blast007 | if so, I would recommend you check your logs and see if he knows it |
| 22:22.38 | blast007 | (assuming you keep logs, that is) |
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| 22:30.42 | blast007 | wonders if nn-main has him on ignore |
| 22:39.22 | javawizard2539 | Is ParserFunctions installed on the bzflag wiki? |
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| 22:45.23 | blast007 | javawizard2539: my guess would be no, but try it |
| 22:46.21 | javawizard2539 | yep, I just did |
| 22:46.29 | javawizard2539 | I need to try things before I ask... |
| 22:46.53 | javawizard2539 | Anyway, might I request that it be installed, if it's not too difficult or if there aren't any other objections? |
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| 22:57.00 | blast007 | welcome back brlcad ;) |
| 22:59.18 | javawizard2539 | feels ignored :) |
| 22:59.36 | javawizard2539 | Actually, who... oh wait, I was going to do research first |
| 22:59.41 | blast007 | javawizard2539: what purpose would it have? |
| 23:00.17 | javawizard2539 | blast007: I'm writing some templates (under my userpage for now) that could be used for the bzfs api docs |
| 23:00.37 | javawizard2539 | It would be used to check for the presence of parameter lines, similar to how Wikipedia's infobox works |
| 23:00.58 | blast007 | paramater lines? |
| 23:01.30 | brlcad | hey blast007 |
| 23:03.11 | javawizard2539 | For the parameters to a function |
| 23:03.13 | javawizard2539 | or arguments |
| 23:03.37 | javawizard2539 | prefers parameters but most everyone else that he's seen prefers arguments |
| 23:04.03 | javawizard2539 | blast007: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox&action=edit |
| 23:04.24 | javawizard2539 | There's a great example of how #if, in particular is used to format multiple rows of data |
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| 23:06.52 | rtfm | speaking of reliable..... |
| 23:06.52 | rtfm | hmm, and I guess my message never actually got through |
| 23:07.16 | rtfm | 17:04:40 <+blast007> brlcad: seems like sagonet has been real reliable lately, hehe.. |
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| 23:08.18 | javawizard2539 | whoa |
| 23:09.02 | blast007 | ~ping |
| 23:09.03 | ibot | ~pong |
| 23:10.25 | blast007 | javawizard2539: hmm, okay |
| 23:10.58 | javawizard2539 | blast007: you can install it? |
| 23:11.21 | blast007 | I can, but not at the moment |
| 23:11.52 | javawizard2539 | ok |
| 23:11.58 | javawizard2539 | Whenever is fine, it's not urgent |
| 23:13.48 | brlcad | rtfm: no kidding, I'm rather pissed at them right now |
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| 23:30.34 | javawizard2539 | runs over his modem with a tank |
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| 23:45.27 | BulletCatcher | is glad his suggestion was finally accepted |
| 23:47.11 | javawizard2539 | BulletCatcher: what suggestion? |
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| 23:53.37 | blast007 | [02:27:20] * BulletCatcher suggests running it over with a tank |
| 23:54.20 | blast007 | re: your modem |
| 23:57.27 | BulletCatcher | At least it work subliminally. |
| 23:57.34 | BulletCatcher | s/work/worked/ |