| 00:08.27 | javawizard2539 | ~seen JeffM |
| 00:08.29 | ibot | jeffm <n=JeffM@bzflag/projectadmin/JeffM> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 3h 6m 37s ago, saying: 'hmmm if javawizard is using 2.0.x he should stick with 7.1'. |
| 00:08.41 | javawizard2539 | lol |
| 00:11.53 | javawizard2539 | fwiw I'm developing against 2.99 |
| 00:11.56 | javawizard2539 | oh wait |
| 00:11.59 | javawizard2539 | JeffM's not here |
| 00:12.02 | javawizard2539 | duh |
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| 00:32.26 | javawizard2539 | goes to restart his computer to complete the VC8 install... |
| 01:03.21 | spldart | stupid winderze |
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| 01:13.02 | javawizard2539 | So I'm trying to build an experimental plugin |
| 01:13.17 | javawizard2539 | and I'm getting the error Cannot open include file: 'plugin_utils.h': No such file or directory |
| 01:13.30 | javawizard2539 | which I assume means that I need plugin_utils.h in my plugin's project folder |
| 01:13.43 | javawizard2539 | but I can't find it anywhere under bzflag's source |
| 01:16.50 | spldart | I got one ijn my source |
| 01:17.28 | spldart | hrmj |
| 01:17.41 | spldart | # /bzflag/plugins/plugin_utils/ |
| 01:18.56 | javawizard2539 | spldart: Thanks, completely missed it |
| 01:19.06 | spldart | oki doki |
| 01:19.46 | spldart | speaking of bz source... is sourceforge really REALLY slow right now or is it just me? |
| 01:19.56 | spldart | I was trying to svn up |
| 01:20.07 | javawizard2539 | idk |
| 01:20.11 | javawizard2539 | seems a bit slow to me |
| 01:20.13 | javawizard2539 | but nothing exceptional |
| 01:20.20 | spldart | k |
| 01:22.22 | javawizard2539 | Also, what's up with lua in bzflag? |
| 01:22.26 | spldart | wow... 2 minutes 44 seconds to svn up. And I was less than a week stale |
| 01:22.32 | javawizard2539 | Wow |
| 01:22.34 | javawizard2539 | that is slow |
| 01:22.45 | spldart | Somebody else will hafta help yah with lua ;) |
| 01:22.52 | javawizard2539 | I'd like to start developing again and I'm trying to get up to speed |
| 01:22.55 | javawizard2539 | aw |
| 01:23.01 | javawizard2539 | oh well, thanks anyway :) |
| 01:23.50 | spldart | Jeff has been kinda notably absent today though. heh. Anywho.... |
| 01:24.02 | javawizard2539 | yeah |
| 01:24.26 | javawizard2539 | I was talking with him until about 6 hours or so ago |
| 01:24.36 | javawizard2539 | and then when I came back he was gone |
| 01:37.21 | spldart | o.....k.... I have a queuestion... Where did my bzflag.sln go? |
| 01:38.08 | spldart | I guess I need to reboot to linux for now ;) |
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| 01:49.19 | javawizard2539 | So now I'm getting errors that curses.h is missing |
| 01:49.29 | javawizard2539 | And I seem to recall having that error before |
| 01:49.34 | javawizard2539 | Anyone have any suggestions? |
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| 01:53.28 | javawizard2539 | nvm, bzflag and bzfs work, bzadmin doesn't, but I don't need the latter |
| 01:53.53 | javawizard2539 | spldart: iirc JeffM removed the VC7.1 files, so only VC8 works now |
| 01:54.13 | javawizard2539 | If you're using VC7.1, then that could be the cause of you're missing sln file ;-) |
| 01:57.46 | javawizard2539 | blast007: what's the lag limit on your 3.0 metropolis server? |
| 01:58.37 | javawizard2539 | And whoever did the new "find server" tab stuff, I like it |
| 02:06.09 | spldart | i r in msvc/vc8 |
| 02:06.40 | spldart | err |
| 02:06.44 | spldart | i r now in winux |
| 02:07.13 | spldart | so gnu all the way |
| 02:07.18 | spldart | now.......... |
| 02:09.40 | javawizard2539 | winux? |
| 02:10.02 | javawizard2539 | So I got a test plugin to build and run |
| 02:10.20 | javawizard2539 | and I'm looking at the sample plugin's bz_Load method, and it's argument doesn't have a name |
| 02:10.24 | javawizard2539 | how does that work? |
| 02:16.49 | blast007 | javawizard2539: probably 300ms |
| 02:17.06 | blast007 | 2.99.x has lag issues (fake or real, not really sure) |
| 02:17.54 | blast007 | spldart: if you're trying to build bzflag on Windows, Jeff upgraded it to VC9, so you'll need Visual C++ 2008 (express or full) |
| 02:19.24 | javawizard2539 | oh, Vc9 |
| 02:20.03 | javawizard2539 | spldart: I keep getting VC8 mixed up with VC2008 |
| 02:20.08 | javawizard2539 | but yeah, blast007's right |
| 02:28.02 | spldart | oh... lovely... I gotta install vc9 now. Uhm... will vc9 be kind enough to import my linked dependencies... sdk and dx stuff |
| 02:32.28 | blast007 | doubt it |
| 02:32.36 | blast007 | well, maybe those |
| 02:32.37 | blast007 | not sure |
| 02:51.05 | javawizard2539 | spldart, blast007: I uninstalled VC8, installed VC9, checked out a fresh copy of 2.99, opened the .sln file, built, and ran. |
| 02:51.16 | javawizard2539 | bzadmin still won't build, but bzfs and bzflag work fine |
| 02:51.26 | blast007 | javawizard2539: what error do you get for bzadmin? |
| 02:51.33 | javawizard2539 | can't find curses.h |
| 02:51.58 | blast007 | change your build mode to one without "distribution" in it |
| 02:52.05 | javawizard2539 | ok |
| 02:52.08 | javawizard2539 | tries that |
| 02:52.08 | blast007 | or get a copy of pdcurses and add that to VC's paths |
| 02:52.20 | blast007 | depends if you want a nice looking bzadmin or not ;) |
| 02:52.31 | javawizard2539 | Actually, I don't really care |
| 02:52.34 | blast007 | pdcurses enables the nicer UI in bzadmin |
| 02:52.34 | blast007 | k |
| 02:52.45 | javawizard2539 | I'm mostly just working on a plugin for bzfs |
| 02:52.50 | blast007 | k |
| 02:53.08 | blast007 | then yeah, just build 'debug' or 'release' instead of the one with _distribution at the end |
| 02:53.20 | javawizard2539 | real quick question, is there anything special you need to do with a char * after you're done with it? |
| 02:53.24 | blast007 | I'd say you'll want 'debug' |
| 02:53.28 | javawizard2539 | seeing as there's no gc in c++ |
| 02:53.30 | javawizard2539 | ok |
| 02:53.44 | blast007 | I'm one that won't have an answer for that question ;) |
| 02:53.58 | javawizard2539 | oh well :) |
| 02:54.05 | blast007 | just changes stuff until it builds and doesn't crash |
| 02:54.13 | javawizard2539 | :D |
| 02:54.16 | blast007 | or at least the "builds" part :P |
| 02:54.26 | blast007 | I do more of the web stuff |
| 02:54.33 | blast007 | lately, anyway |
| 02:54.41 | javawizard2539 | When I get through with my plugin, it will probably use up a machine's entire physical memory after 1 minute of play |
| 02:54.50 | blast007 | :) |
| 02:54.55 | javawizard2539 | seeing as I come from Java where it releases all of your memory for you |
| 02:55.13 | MindstormsKid | what will the plugin do? |
| 02:55.36 | blast007 | it will help locate alien life on mars |
| 02:55.48 | javawizard2539 | I'm trying to write a plugin that delegates all of it's method calls and such across a TCP/IP socket |
| 02:56.01 | javawizard2539 | (on localhost, of course, otherwise lag would be too much of an issue) |
| 02:56.09 | MindstormsKid | what...? O_O |
| 02:56.14 | blast007 | hehe |
| 02:56.25 | MindstormsKid | stops there. |
| 02:56.38 | blast007 | javawizard2539: so would it basically allow a 3rd party application to send/receive commands from the plugin? |
| 02:56.41 | javawizard2539 | That way, people who only program in another language that has socket support can write plugins |
| 02:56.45 | javawizard2539 | kind of |
| 02:56.54 | MindstormsKid | fun |
| 02:56.56 | javawizard2539 | It's so that you can write plguins in a language other than C++, as long as it supports sockets |
| 02:56.58 | javawizard2539 | yeah |
| 02:57.11 | blast007 | with 2.99.x, you could make it a web app with just a SOAP interface |
| 02:57.13 | javawizard2539 | That way, I can write a bunch of cool plugins in Java ;-) |
| 02:57.17 | MindstormsKid | i wonder if it would work with javascript? :P |
| 02:57.23 | javawizard2539 | how does that work? |
| 02:57.39 | javawizard2539 | it makes available a soap interface |
| 02:57.43 | javawizard2539 | ? |
| 02:58.08 | blast007 | 2.99.x supports running web scripts from the game port |
| 02:58.13 | blast007 | let me see if I can give an example |
| 03:00.15 | blast007 | http://bzexcess.com:25154/WebStats/ (no players there, but if there was, it would show a list) |
| 03:00.27 | blast007 | and it's run on the same port as the game server |
| 03:00.50 | javawizard2539 | so they changed the protocol? |
| 03:00.53 | blast007 | so you could write a plugin that added a virtual directory |
| 03:01.00 | blast007 | yeah |
| 03:01.06 | javawizard2539 | iirc, the protocol in 2.0 has the server sending stuff first |
| 03:01.08 | javawizard2539 | cool |
| 03:01.14 | blast007 | we made it support both HTTP and BZFlag |
| 03:01.25 | javawizard2539 | actually, what I was thinking of was more like bzflag pushing player info to the plugin as well |
| 03:01.29 | blast007 | we send "BZFLAG\r\n\r\n" for the BZFlag mode, iirc |
| 03:01.29 | javawizard2539 | yeah, I like that |
| 03:02.18 | javawizard2539 | and I read something in the plugins that they allow custom flag types or something now |
| 03:02.27 | blast007 | within reason |
| 03:02.40 | blast007 | the shot type has been separated somewhat from the actual flags |
| 03:02.56 | blast007 | like, you can give someone a SW shot type when they get a WG flag |
| 03:03.06 | javawizard2539 | Are map function mods available from within a custom flag? |
| 03:03.14 | blast007 | and you can also send different names for the flags |
| 03:03.24 | blast007 | map function mods? |
| 03:03.26 | javawizard2539 | Like, if you have such and such a flag, then you can drive through such and such a wall |
| 03:03.34 | blast007 | no |
| 03:03.39 | blast007 | that's well beyond what was done |
| 03:03.39 | javawizard2539 | or you won't die on such and such a death phydrv |
| 03:03.44 | javawizard2539 | Hmm |
| 03:03.47 | blast007 | it's not custom logic |
| 03:04.03 | blast007 | it's just some slight separation of the shot type from the flag, and the names of the flags |
| 03:04.10 | blast007 | you can't give someone ST+CL, for example |
| 03:04.10 | javawizard2539 | aw |
| 03:04.25 | blast007 | but you can make the ST shoot SB bullets |
| 03:04.26 | javawizard2539 | Maybe I should propose that idea to JeffM for a future release |
| 03:04.32 | blast007 | or the CL shoot laser ;) |
| 03:04.37 | javawizard2539 | lol |
| 03:04.44 | blast007 | it's already something we *want* at some point |
| 03:04.47 | javawizard2539 | two cl+l's going at each other, neither doing a thing |
| 03:04.53 | blast007 | it's just a matter of someone planning/coding/testing it |
| 03:05.24 | blast007 | also, I don't think you can lock on even if you have the GM shot type, unless you actually have the GM flag |
| 03:05.37 | blast007 | so like I said, just a partion separation |
| 03:06.02 | javawizard2539 | yeah |
| 03:06.14 | javawizard2539 | so br1cad isn't opposed to that anymore? |
| 03:17.39 | brlcad | javawizard2539: there is no 1 in my name |
| 03:18.44 | MindstormsKid | :P |
| 03:19.06 | javawizard2539 | brlcad: I know, I was just worried that I'd get in a flamewar with you and the last thing I want to do is lose my dev status |
| 03:19.16 | javawizard2539 | but I was kind of surprised |
| 03:21.06 | spldart | back |
| 03:21.20 | brlcad | huh? I don't recall ever being in a flamewar with you :) |
| 03:21.23 | spldart | so I just need to download the new vis stud and not the rest |
| 03:21.49 | brlcad | not that being in such would affect dev status -- a good discussion is always welcome (so long as it's healthy) |
| 03:21.51 | javawizard2539 | spldart: correct |
| 03:21.58 | javawizard2539 | brlcad: ok |
| 03:22.02 | spldart | kewlio... I'll put that on the docket tomorrow |
| 03:22.13 | brlcad | javawizard2539: as to the idea -- what'd you think I was opposed to exactly? |
| 03:22.14 | javawizard2539 | I just saw a debate between you and aaa that made me nervous to get in another debate |
| 03:22.16 | javawizard2539 | but anyway |
| 03:22.18 | javawizard2539 | https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=1938383&group_id=3248&atid=353248 |
| 03:22.23 | brlcad | well, you're not him |
| 03:22.28 | javawizard2539 | Somewhat different but it carries the same fundamental idea |
| 03:22.31 | brlcad | his history in discussions is quite distinct |
| 03:22.50 | javawizard2539 | ok |
| 03:23.36 | brlcad | javawizard2539: you read that wrong, if you took that to mean I was opposed to the idea |
| 03:23.56 | javawizard2539 | which I kind of did... |
| 03:24.03 | brlcad | I said "any sort of system that allows custom tuning of flags would need to prevent combinations of capabilities that would readily be destructive the game." |
| 03:24.23 | javawizard2539 | Right, which I agree with |
| 03:24.33 | javawizard2539 | idk, I guess i mis-assumed that it was a flat denial of my idea |
| 03:24.42 | brlcad | carrying multiple flags has been an idea for a very long time, but it's not just a matter of letting tanks carry multiple flags |
| 03:24.52 | brlcad | that bit is really easy, it's the protections that are harder |
| 03:25.13 | brlcad | if it was a denial, I probably would have marked it as rejected |
| 03:25.20 | brlcad | or at least said as much |
| 03:25.26 | spldart | ok.. what am I doin wrong.... ... debian etch. went to my bzflag checkout.... svn up, make clean, ./autogen.sh , ./configure --enable-debug, nice make, cp bzflag to root of the checkout and type 'bzflag' But apparently It still doesn't see the fonts... Do i need to run bzflag in the ./bzflag/src/bzflag/ dir? |
| 03:25.55 | spldart | ooOOoo. |
| 03:25.58 | spldart | lemme try something |
| 03:26.07 | brlcad | spldart: if you run with a data dir setting, it saves it |
| 03:26.31 | brlcad | plus, you shouldn't have to cp the binary (and you shouldn't have '.' in your path.. :) |
| 03:26.38 | brlcad | just run "src/bzflag/bzflag" |
| 03:26.42 | javawizard2539 | brlcad: my idea wasn't to allow multiple flags, my idea was to allow world functionality modifications with flags |
| 03:27.13 | javawizard2539 | and I completely missed the resolution field, my bad :) |
| 03:27.38 | brlcad | javawizard2539: it's the same end-result capability-wise |
| 03:28.41 | spldart | yeah |
| 03:28.51 | spldart | I got it just then |
| 03:28.54 | javawizard2539 | brlcad: how so? I can't see st+cl being possible with that functionality |
| 03:28.54 | spldart | slaps forhead |
| 03:28.54 | brlcad | if someone can (ever) have CL and ST capabilities, that would be a pretty bad design (without introducing a new capability) |
| 03:29.06 | javawizard2539 | right, but they can't under my idea |
| 03:29.26 | brlcad | why not? customflag seems pretty flexible |
| 03:29.46 | javawizard2539 | Well, i suppose they could if functionality was added, but you have a point which is why I didn't include that in my idea |
| 03:31.54 | spldart | I need to play in linux more. It's gotten to the point that I work in linux 99% of the time and play in windows 80% of the time with the other 20% being linux.... I must change that. I'm getting linux rusty |
| 03:32.57 | brlcad | javawizard2539: I suppose it boils down to what would be allowed in the physics withflag sections |
| 03:33.29 | javawizard2539 | What attributes shouldn't be allowed then? |
| 03:34.03 | brlcad | hard to say without seeing a list -- it's like asking "what shouldn't a tank be allowed to do" |
| 03:34.20 | brlcad | "it depends" |
| 03:34.46 | javawizard2539 | ok |
| 03:39.58 | javawizard2539 | Random question, if I'm dealing with string text, should I use std::string or char*, and what are the differences in use besides that one's a character array and the other's a complete class? |
| 03:42.16 | brlcad | that's the difference |
| 03:42.20 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r19037 10/trunk/bzflag/autogen.sh: update to the latest revision from upstream repository, r33357. provides a set of changes that support pulling the latest config.guess from gnulib. |
| 03:42.49 | brlcad | whether you should use one or the other probably amounts to "it doesn't matter" unless you have memory allocations to deal with |
| 03:43.41 | brlcad | std::strings are usually much easier to work with since you don't have to worry about their memory and sizes, and give you a handle on a const char* if you really need it |
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| 03:43.51 | brlcad | make sense? |
| 03:47.38 | javawizard2539 | brlcad: yeah |
| 03:47.40 | javawizard2539 | thanks |
| 03:50.09 | javawizard2539 | Actually, one more question |
| 03:50.13 | javawizard2539 | tell me if I'm asking too many |
| 03:50.35 | javawizard2539 | in holdtheflag.cpp, there's the line HTFscore htfScore; |
| 03:50.55 | javawizard2539 | which, I assume, declares a field (or what they're called in c++) that holds an instance of HTFscore |
| 03:51.06 | javawizard2539 | but I can't find anywhere where it's assigning an instance to that variable |
| 03:52.32 | brlcad | javawizard2539: wrong assumption |
| 03:52.46 | brlcad | that actually creates an HTFscore object |
| 03:52.55 | brlcad | it's not in scope of anything, it's just a global |
| 03:53.18 | brlcad | so it will call the default constructor during initialization |
| 03:53.29 | javawizard2539 | awesome! |
| 03:53.36 | javawizard2539 | I'm liking c++ more and more |
| 03:55.58 | brlcad | that's the same as if you had a HTFscore struct defined up above and made a global for it |
| 03:56.19 | brlcad | same in C, other than it being a class so instead of just allocating memory, it calls the constructor too |
| 04:04.28 | JeffM2501 | they would be called variables or objects |
| 04:04.32 | JeffM2501 | not fields as well |
| 04:06.04 | JeffM2501 | in C++ the only things that would have an "instance" would be pointers or refrences. |
| 04:07.10 | brlcad | that's not a field, it is just a variable/object |
| 04:07.46 | brlcad | htfScore is the variable name for an HTFscore object |
| 04:07.56 | JeffM2501 | is happy he has won 1/2 of his fight with linux :) |
| 04:08.24 | brlcad | that part really is the same as C, the only diff with that line is that it ends up calling the constructor |
| 04:08.39 | brlcad | JeffM2501: which one? |
| 04:09.01 | JeffM2501 | getting ubuntu to display 1080i out the component outputs to a TV |
| 04:09.09 | brlcad | first half or the second half? :) |
| 04:09.16 | JeffM2501 | that's the first half |
| 04:09.28 | JeffM2501 | the second is something that should not be as hard as it will be |
| 04:09.45 | JeffM2501 | getting it to play DVDs, HDDVDs, and BlueRay Disks |
| 04:13.30 | JeffM2501 | javawizard2539: re: my comments earlyer about VC 2008, that's only if you are using our trunk versions. If you are using 2.0.x then you should stick with VC 7.1 |
| 04:13.48 | TD-Linux | JeffM2501: what graphics driver? |
| 04:13.53 | JeffM2501 | nvidia |
| 04:14.06 | TD-Linux | hmm, I hear TVout is problematic on those |
| 04:14.13 | JeffM2501 | had to hand edit my xorg config but it's fine |
| 04:14.16 | TD-Linux | I've never used TV out on mine |
| 04:14.22 | TD-Linux | JeffM2501: DVD playback is super easy |
| 04:14.24 | JeffM2501 | the mythtv wiki helped a lot |
| 04:14.30 | TD-Linux | install libdvdcss. Done. |
| 04:14.33 | JeffM2501 | yeah I hear dvd is, the others.. not so much |
| 04:14.50 | TD-Linux | especially BD+ |
| 04:15.09 | TD-Linux | right now the only way to play those is to use a virtual machine emulator to get a bunch of filters |
| 04:15.29 | TD-Linux | fortunately only recent blu-ray discs have BD+ |
| 04:16.14 | JeffM2501 | playing some movies is better then none :) |
| 04:16.30 | JeffM2501 | I mean I can BUY a copy of windows for it if I have to |
| 04:16.41 | JeffM2501 | I'd just rather not have to |
| 04:16.57 | TD-Linux | BD+ isn't so bad either because you only have to run the VM once per disc |
| 04:17.11 | TD-Linux | note that I have no personal experience in it as Blu-Ray drives are too expensive for me |
| 04:17.34 | TD-Linux | but I've been very interested in the reverse engineering :) |
| 04:18.03 | JeffM2501 | 94$ gets you a drive that does CD/DVD/HDDVD/BlueRay |
| 04:18.14 | spldart | ooOooo.. ultimate multimedia rig |
| 04:18.35 | TD-Linux | JeffM2501 really? o.O |
| 04:18.47 | TD-Linux | supposes an ultrabay drive would be 5x that |
| 04:19.03 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux: why do you think I am trying to set this thing up? :) |
| 04:19.39 | JeffM2501 | ahh, it's up to 99 now |
| 04:19.48 | JeffM2501 | I got it right after thangsgiving |
| 04:19.52 | JeffM2501 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136154 |
| 04:20.00 | JeffM2501 | it does not burn HD or BD |
| 04:20.07 | JeffM2501 | but it does burn DVD |
| 04:20.07 | blast007 | is avoiding bluray due to the DRM crap |
| 04:20.16 | spldart | ;) |
| 04:21.17 | TD-Linux | blast007, and miss all the master key-digging and emulation fun? |
| 04:21.19 | JeffM2501 | it is the drive of many logos |
| 04:21.38 | blast007 | TD-Linux: :P |
| 04:21.44 | TD-Linux | tbh I usually find DVD resolution of sufficient quality |
| 04:21.59 | JeffM2501 | I got an HDTV for free |
| 04:23.10 | blast007 | my laptop with a real video card (though only a 7600GT) can't handle 1080 HD content, at least in the video/audio codec I was using |
| 04:23.11 | spldart | Agreed td-linux. DVD outta a HQ player... esp one with good upscaling to hdmi into a quality set... like a bravia ;) is still satisfactory :) |
| 04:23.54 | spldart | still drools at his pc > bravia 40" lcd setup |
| 04:23.58 | spldart | full hd |
| 04:24.08 | JeffM2501 | if I can get this setup, I can do a side by side test of transformers, in dvd and HD |
| 04:24.12 | TD-Linux | blast007: mine can't do 1080p x264 full speed :( |
| 04:24.14 | spldart | but no hddvd or bluray :( |
| 04:24.25 | blast007 | TD-Linux: that's probably what codec I was using |
| 04:24.33 | TD-Linux | however nvidia recently came out with vdpau |
| 04:24.38 | TD-Linux | or whatever they call it |
| 04:24.48 | TD-Linux | which apparently can slice through video like butter |
| 04:24.55 | blast007 | think it was flac audio too, or maybe that was just for one of the audio tracks (might have been AAC or MP3 for the one I was using) |
| 04:25.01 | TD-Linux | and my chip is supported :) |
| 04:25.04 | blast007 | hmm |
| 04:25.16 | TD-Linux | but I've not tested it |
| 04:25.20 | TD-Linux | it's in a beta drivers |
| 04:25.25 | blast007 | neat |
| 04:25.26 | TD-Linux | avoids beta drivers |
| 04:26.03 | blast007 | though I really didn't need HD content for what I was doing... (outputting to an SD TV via S-video), but I didn't want to have to reencode at a lower quality :/ |
| 04:26.11 | spldart | mmMMmm beta driv *crash* |
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| 04:44.42 | javawizard2539 | In the bzflag api, is there any functional difference between where a float* and a float[3] is used? |
| 04:48.12 | JeffM2501 | not realy |
| 04:48.21 | JeffM2501 | float 3 is better |
| 04:48.31 | JeffM2501 | as the compiler will compain if you send in the wrong thing |
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| 05:16.45 | javawizard2539 | JeffM2501: ok, thanks |
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| 05:26.07 | javawizard2539 | Another question |
| 05:26.16 | javawizard2539 | if I'm using sockets in a plugin, do I need to initialize winsock? |
| 05:26.55 | javawizard2539 | (on one hand, it's executed by bzfs, which has already initialized winsock, but on the other hand, it's a different executable altogether, so I'm not sure which one works) |
| 05:28.59 | JeffM2501 | why are you using sockets? |
| 05:29.11 | JeffM2501 | but no you should not have have to since you are in the same thread |
| 05:32.23 | JeffM2501 | it's not another executable |
| 05:32.27 | JeffM2501 | it's a module |
| 05:32.35 | JeffM2501 | that is dynamicly linked to bzfs |
| 05:36.27 | javawizard2539 | ok |
| 05:37.01 | javawizard2539 | I'm writing a plugin that will connect to a socket on the local computer, and allow the receiving end to register event listeners and call plugin functions |
| 05:37.13 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 05:37.30 | javawizard2539 | So that plugins can be written in any language, so long as the language has support for sockets |
| 05:37.42 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 05:37.48 | javawizard2539 | Since it's going through the loopback adapter, I wouldn't imagine it would slow down things too much |
| 05:37.49 | JeffM2501 | I'm going to be honest here |
| 05:38.01 | JeffM2501 | what an bass ackwards way of doing that |
| 05:38.11 | javawizard2539 | huh? |
| 05:38.13 | JeffM2501 | just write a C++ plugin that exports to the language |
| 05:38.21 | javawizard2539 | How do you do that? |
| 05:38.38 | JeffM2501 | well look at the python or lua plugins |
| 05:38.50 | JeffM2501 | they implement those interpreters in the plugin and expose the API that way |
| 05:38.54 | JeffM2501 | then its all in thread stuff |
| 05:38.55 | javawizard2539 | ok |
| 05:39.08 | JeffM2501 | you are going to have all kinds of blocking issues |
| 05:39.09 | javawizard2539 | so that's what all the mention about lua was about |
| 05:39.19 | javawizard2539 | Yeah, I figured but I couldn't think of a better way to do it |
| 05:39.21 | JeffM2501 | what if your data is spread over multiple packets |
| 05:39.33 | JeffM2501 | there are LOTS of better ways of doing what you want |
| 05:39.39 | JeffM2501 | what language are you looking at? |
| 05:39.43 | JeffM2501 | java? |
| 05:39.43 | javawizard2539 | idk |
| 05:39.45 | javawizard2539 | Java mostly |
| 05:39.53 | javawizard2539 | you anticipated me :) |
| 05:40.09 | JeffM2501 | you should be able to expose the C++ API via java using a plugin for glue code |
| 05:40.32 | JeffM2501 | your java interface plugin can just call the java vm directly |
| 05:41.14 | JeffM2501 | basicly install a C++ callback for every java callback, and just route it to the java system |
| 05:41.19 | JeffM2501 | should be a very thin layer |
| 05:41.32 | JeffM2501 | and it's the same code you'd write in your method, just with out the sockets messyness |
| 05:41.44 | javawizard2539 | yeah |
| 05:41.51 | JeffM2501 | I mean you can do it your way, but it's like an extra step for anyone to dev in |
| 05:41.55 | javawizard2539 | I didn't know you could call java from c+ but I just looked that up |
| 05:42.02 | javawizard2539 | No, I agree with you |
| 05:42.12 | JeffM2501 | if you can't then java sucks REALY bad |
| 05:42.20 | javawizard2539 | I just didn't know you could call java from c++ |
| 05:42.22 | javawizard2539 | :) |
| 05:42.29 | javawizard2539 | I just did a ton more looking and it appears you can |
| 05:42.52 | JeffM2501 | you did a "ton" of reasearch, in 45 seconds? |
| 05:42.58 | javawizard2539 | :) |
| 05:42.59 | JeffM2501 | impressive |
| 05:43.06 | JeffM2501 | research isn't your strong suit is it? |
| 05:43.08 | javawizard2539 | I had done research before but nothing looked promising |
| 05:43.20 | TD-Linux | you haven't seen me research yet |
| 05:43.24 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 05:43.27 | javawizard2539 | It kind of is, but not usually when I've heard elsewhere that something can't be done |
| 05:43.33 | javawizard2539 | (my dad had said that) |
| 05:43.39 | JeffM2501 | you belive everything your dad tells you? |
| 05:43.50 | JeffM2501 | I Mean your not blind yet are you ;) |
| 05:44.12 | JeffM2501 | sorry, couldn't help myself |
| 05:44.29 | JeffM2501 | but yeah, prety much any langauge worth it's salt can be called from C |
| 05:44.32 | JeffM2501 | or C++ |
| 05:44.47 | JeffM2501 | with python and lua, we link to the actual interpreters |
| 05:44.58 | JeffM2501 | I don't know how java does it but I'd hope there would be a similar lib |
| 05:45.02 | javawizard2539 | JeffM2501: :) |
| 05:45.18 | javawizard2539 | It looks like you do it by calling the jvm itself |
| 05:45.20 | JeffM2501 | with C# we just have to wrap the API in some managed stuff |
| 05:45.23 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 05:45.39 | JeffM2501 | then you'd just write some java glue functions and you should be good |
| 05:45.53 | JeffM2501 | if you name them right, you can even use the same docs for java and C :) |
| 05:48.38 | JeffM2501 | just thinking about the socket thing gives me a headache, you'd have to track the callbacks by connected client plugin, and be sure to call them in the same order, and wait for responces between calls, it'd be just ... wow |
| 06:17.49 | javawizard2539 | So I found out how to do it using the Java Invocation API |
| 06:18.08 | javawizard2539 | And I have a question related to that. Are all of the bzflag plugin methods called from the same thread? |
| 06:18.24 | JeffM2501 | the plugins run in the same thread as bzfs |
| 06:18.48 | JeffM2501 | I'm not sure what "plugin methods" you are talking about, but it's all one thread |
| 06:18.59 | JeffM2501 | plugins are loaded by bzfs |
| 06:19.11 | JeffM2501 | each lib is opened, and the load function is called |
| 06:19.15 | JeffM2501 | in order |
| 06:19.35 | JeffM2501 | inside the load, the plugin can do stuff, like register callbacks |
| 06:19.44 | JeffM2501 | then load returns, and bzfs moves on to the next one |
| 06:20.07 | JeffM2501 | then as bzfs runs and generated events, the callbacks that have been registered are called |
| 06:20.12 | JeffM2501 | in the order they were registered. |
| 06:20.22 | JeffM2501 | inside those callbacks, the plugins can do more stuff |
| 06:20.31 | JeffM2501 | then return, and bzfs moves on to the next. thing, etc.. |
| 06:21.56 | JeffM2501 | a plugin could spawn it's own thread if it wanted to |
| 06:22.15 | JeffM2501 | then it's responsible for making sure that it's threadsafe |
| 06:22.58 | javawizard2539 | ok |
| 06:23.36 | javawizard2539 | In the invocation api, it said that you have to specifically register each thread to it that will be using it, so that helps a lot that plugin callbacks and plugins are called from one thread |
| 06:24.00 | JeffM2501 | it would not be a pretty thing if each plugin was in it's own thread |
| 06:24.28 | JeffM2501 | they would not know how to talk to each other and make sure they didn't read/write stuff that others were using |
| 06:24.35 | JeffM2501 | we'd have to mutex the entire API |
| 06:25.04 | JeffM2501 | and I'm not really sure what that would buy us |
| 06:25.21 | JeffM2501 | it's not like bzfs can really do anything untill it's ready for something |
| 06:25.36 | JeffM2501 | not with out a lot more work |
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| 07:05.50 | javawizard2539 | Are plugin parameters allowed to contain semicolons? |
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| 07:06.37 | hwilde | how do I set my flag ? |
| 07:07.39 | BulletCatcher | javawizard2539: Probably, although lesser-skilled server operators may not recognize the need for escaping them. |
| 07:07.42 | javawizard2539 | hwilde: what do you mean? |
| 07:07.56 | hwilde | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:08.16 | javawizard2539 | hwilde: oh, do you mean, how do you give yourself a flag if you're an administrator on a server? |
| 07:08.28 | hwilde | is there any other way to interpret it |
| 07:08.35 | javawizard2539 | Probably not |
| 07:08.39 | javawizard2539 | I was just making sure |
| 07:08.42 | hwilde | ok then that's probly what I meant... |
| 07:08.46 | hwilde | its some long command |
| 07:08.49 | hwilde | i cant get all the arguments |
| 07:08.53 | javawizard2539 | I think it's /flag give playername |
| 07:08.58 | hwilde | ahha |
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| 07:10.44 | BulletCatcher | source code says: /flag give <#slot|PlayerName|"PlayerName"> <#flagId|FlagAbbr> [force] |
| 07:11.35 | hwilde | "you may have to use the force" |
| 07:11.36 | hwilde | lol |
| 07:12.12 | BulletCatcher | "It is obvious that this contest cannot be decided by our knowledge of the force, but by our skills with a laser flag." |
| 07:12.30 | hwilde | you know that map where everyone is an admin |
| 07:12.49 | javawizard2539 | which one? |
| 07:12.57 | javawizard2539 | I've never heard of it if everyone is an admin |
| 07:13.06 | hwilde | itsl ike #3 in the list |
| 07:13.12 | hwilde | party everyone is an admin |
| 07:13.26 | hwilde | I was sitting on my base giving myself enemy team flag |
| 07:13.31 | hwilde | classic |
| 07:14.03 | BulletCatcher | lol |
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| 07:17.39 | hwilde | lol |
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| 08:11.52 | javawizard2539 | That server is addicting |
| 08:12.13 | javawizard2539 | I set up some key shortcuts that would give me WG and GM, and then proceeded to bombard everyone with GMs from the sky |
| 08:12.35 | javawizard2539 | heads over to #bzchat to see what they think |
| 08:17.24 | javawizard2539 | Does anyone here know if there's a way to get a handle on the path that a plugin's .dll files resides at when in the bz_Init method? |
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| 11:58.21 | LePoulpe303 | hi all |
| 11:59.01 | LePoulpe303 | is there any GU admin that can add Tut Tank Ahmon to user list so that i can spawn on gu servers please ? |
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| 13:31.29 | brad | LePoulpe303: got the same name on gu.bzleague.com ? |
| 13:47.51 | LePoulpe303 | brad: Tut Tank Ahmon everywhere |
| 13:48.03 | LePoulpe303 | dunno if caps matters |
| 13:52.24 | LePoulpe303 | I changed my nick ; fed up being called "lepoop" or things like that :D |
| 13:55.25 | brad | ok LePoulpe303 ^ 1 min:) |
| 13:56.07 | LePoulpe303 | brad: take your time ; lunch break over :D |
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| 13:58.39 | brad | added that and removed 'LePoulpe303' |
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| 14:00.35 | LePoulpe303 | brad: ty very much ;) |
| 14:00.41 | LePoulpe303 | testing |
| 14:03.38 | LePoulpe303 | peeeeeerfect |
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| 14:06.57 | LePoulpe303 | brad : makes me a little something in the heart to bre removed from GU league ;) |
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| 14:27.53 | LePoulpe303 | hey Upsetter ;) |
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| 14:30.08 | LePoulpe303 | re zaphod :) |
| 14:30.16 | zaphod | salut ;-) |
| 14:30.26 | LePoulpe303 | c'est bon problème réglé |
| 14:30.28 | zaphod | got on the usergroup? |
| 14:31.11 | LePoulpe303 | yes bard done it kindly |
| 14:31.22 | LePoulpe303 | brad sry |
| 14:31.40 | zaphod | good ::: finally some playing 4 you ;-) |
| 14:32.29 | LePoulpe303 | oh i have fun on WNC or MOFO too ... but GU is a more serious businness ;) |
| 14:33.10 | zaphod | yes ::: always some players! great community! |
| 14:35.07 | LePoulpe303 | do you still have your historical map and server running ?? I remember a map with a kind of stadium on the middle |
| 14:35.26 | zaphod | mario's arena? |
| 14:36.10 | LePoulpe303 | maybe |
| 14:36.43 | zaphod | i guess you mean mario's ::: its around since 2003 |
| 14:37.03 | LePoulpe303 | probably ; i saw you there mainly 3 years ago |
| 14:37.49 | zaphod | used another callsign before and its my first map i played on (and kept playing there)! |
| 14:38.43 | LePoulpe303 | what callsign ? |
| 14:39.04 | zaphod | fourtytwo and oh mon dieu ;-) |
| 14:39.21 | LePoulpe303 | love the last one :) |
| 14:39.38 | zaphod | hehe ::: some took it too seriously |
| 14:41.04 | brlcad | loves his new couch |
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| 14:49.58 | zaphod | LePoulpe ::: qu'est-ce que ca veut dire ::: Idlerpg |
| 14:51.09 | Upsetter | hey zaphod & LePoulpe303 :) |
| 14:51.21 | zaphod | upsolette ;) |
| 14:55.14 | LePoulpe303 | zaphod : it'san irc game where the goal is to stay idle as long as possible |
| 14:55.56 | zaphod | hehe ::: upsetter explained me all the details! GREAT :) |
| 14:56.16 | zaphod | you were "active" there? |
| 14:56.16 | LePoulpe303 | long time i did not play |
| 14:56.26 | LePoulpe303 | i was :) |
| 14:56.46 | zaphod | was certainly a hard job!!! |
| 14:57.56 | LePoulpe303 | yeah ; i abandonned because each time you leave the chan you have penalties, and my internet connection at work was terribly poor |
| 14:58.26 | LePoulpe303 | so every day , the time to reach the next lvl was increased |
| 14:59.41 | zaphod | but you couldnt say anything (not even on private channel)??? |
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| 15:08.30 | LePoulpe303 | zaphod: i never went to a private chan, but i suppose there is one |
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| 15:46.24 | Manu | brlcad: alive again |
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| 17:22.22 | brlcad | Manu: yeah |
| 17:22.37 | brlcad | new furniture just arrived today, me giddy happy :) |
| 17:23.03 | brlcad | monster tv is on its way, should be here any minute |
| 17:25.12 | temp_work | monster cable will sue for trademark infringement |
| 17:33.35 | brlcad | heh |
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| 19:20.16 | ts | pokes blast007 |
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| 19:24.04 | ts | Is any bzbb admin around? I could need some help. |
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| 20:37.24 | Winny | woo, wordpress 2.7 is OUT! |
| 20:37.52 | me1 | woo! let's party because we all totally care! |
| 20:39.42 | MindstormsKid | switches me1's and Winny's titles |
| 20:39.45 | MindstormsKid | :P |
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| 20:40.13 | Winny | me1: because we all care what you think! |
| 20:40.15 | Winny | oh snap! |
| 20:40.50 | me1 | I didn't ask a question... |
| 20:42.24 | javawizard2539 | Winny: for some reason I'm having difficulty joining ##bzflagr so I'll ask you here |
| 20:42.28 | spldart | Do I have to come back there seperate you two? |
| 20:42.30 | javawizard2539 | any idea what's happened to bzflagr? |
| 20:42.40 | Winny | "having trouble"? |
| 20:42.55 | Winny | as in you're banned from the channel |
| 20:42.59 | Winny | ? |
| 20:44.05 | me1 | Hmm yeah, bzflagr isn't online. Winny, you should probably check that out. |
| 20:44.14 | Winny | thank you sagonet |
| 20:44.21 | javawizard2539 | Winny: no, bzflagr isn't online |
| 20:44.34 | javawizard2539 | It's not in the public server list and connections to it get rejected |
| 20:44.36 | Winny | ##bzflagr != bzflagr bzflag server |
| 20:44.40 | javawizard2539 | I know |
| 20:44.47 | spldart | huh... |
| 20:44.52 | javawizard2539 | I was going to join ##bzflagr to tell you since it's more relevant to that channel |
| 20:44.59 | spldart | I'm not seeing bzflagr on the list server either |
| 20:45.01 | javawizard2539 | but I couldn't join so I'm telling you about the problem with the actual server here |
| 20:45.06 | Winny | oh wow... the server rebooted AGAIN |
| 20:45.10 | Winny | third time in two months |
| 20:45.12 | spldart | uh oh |
| 20:45.22 | javawizard2539 | As in the machine it's on or bzfs? |
| 20:45.32 | spldart | machine I assume |
| 20:45.42 | spldart | hardware I assume |
| 20:45.50 | javawizard2539 | That's what I thought but I figured I'd ask anyway :) |
| 20:45.50 | spldart | since winny wouldn't run an unstable os ;) |
| 20:45.57 | Winny | spldart: yeah... the box has been going off and on lately |
| 20:46.13 | spldart | I hate it when that happens |
| 20:46.21 | Winny | sagonet has perpetual power problems it seems |
| 20:46.27 | me1 | Winny, call them and tell them to look out for the wires next time! |
| 20:46.58 | spldart | tell them you lost thousands of dollars in buxiness ;-p |
| 20:47.05 | MindstormsKid | :P |
| 20:47.11 | Winny | brlcad: any issues on your end? |
| 20:47.25 | Winny | wonders if our server has a bad PSU |
| 20:47.56 | brad | .bz went at the same time |
| 20:48.01 | brad | you all got booted from irc :p |
| 20:48.30 | javawizard2539 | So, while there are actually people here to read this... |
| 20:48.44 | javawizard2539 | Is constructing an enum from an int (or unsigned int) unsafe? |
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| 20:51.33 | Winny | should be back up now |
| 20:53.08 | Winny | hmm.. mediatemple gives you SSH access... wonder if I can compile and run bzfs on there |
| 20:53.17 | Winny | they don't block ports either |
| 20:55.03 | spldart | Question... VC8 support removal is goin to be permanent now? If so would anyone mind if I edit the README.WINDOWS to reflect the changes in building source? |
| 20:57.19 | javawizard2539 | iirc JeffM said as much |
| 20:57.25 | javawizard2539 | but don't quote me on that |
| 20:58.46 | javawizard2539 | spldart: see revision 19027 |
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| 21:00.29 | spldart | man sf has been slow for me |
| 21:04.40 | spldart | I can see where jeffm made alot of changes at 19027 heh |
| 21:04.44 | spldart | esp in msvc |
| 21:08.12 | blast007 | and yes, VC8 won't be used anymore |
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| 21:10.17 | spldart | I'm working on that readme now then |
| 21:10.45 | spldart | ... and downloading Vis 9 as well |
| 21:18.26 | spldart | Hrm... I wonder if I should just commit my mod'd readme flat out or call it readme_rev2 and have it profread outta the source for final edits before it's renamed README.WINDOWS. :( |
| 21:18.58 | blast007 | spldart: it's SVN. just replace the old file |
| 21:19.08 | blast007 | we can view what was changed that way |
| 21:19.18 | spldart | k |
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| 21:23.28 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: 03bzspldart * r19038 10/trunk/bzflag/README.WINDOWS: Trying to update readme for drop of vc8 support and vc9 link. |
| 21:23.52 | spldart | Are people building in mingw successfully lately? |
| 21:24.04 | blast007 | shrugs |
| 21:24.11 | blast007 | almost no real point to that anymore |
| 21:24.45 | spldart | Kinda what I was thinking. But meh |
| 21:24.54 | spldart | Been over 2 years since I last tried |
| 21:25.11 | spldart | and that was, of course, a 2.0.x ver |
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| 21:52.24 | spldart | what is your target project file to build for vc9 anywho? |
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| 22:49.14 | spldart | If I try to open bzflag.sln in the \bzflag\MSVC\build\ directory I get a bunch of .vcoproj is not supported by this version errors :( swap machine time |
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| 23:05.57 | javawizard2539 | blast007: why isn't there a point to it? |
| 23:06.12 | javawizard2539 | Eclipse beats msvc hands-down, and it will only use mingw to build |
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| 23:31.33 | spldart | Java makes me nauseous :-] |