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| 00:56.24 | tankzilla | hey guys, is it possible to revive an old name that someone registered after you :)? |
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| 09:06.11 | javawizard2539 | Winny: ping |
| 09:06.17 | javawizard2539 | erm, wrong channel |
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| 14:14.09 | joevano | ~seen Constitution |
| 14:14.11 | ibot | constitution <n=const@bzflag/developer/Constitution> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag-chat, 15d 12h 26m 59s ago, saying: 'people are almost always on, you just have to be patient'. |
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| 19:59.31 | ts | I'm considering buying a new computer and I'm lost in the graphics card world. How does the (very old) Radeon 9600 compare to current cards such as the 4870? |
| 20:00.17 | JeffM | VW bug to a porche |
| 20:00.26 | JeffM | the 4870 is a VERY good card |
| 20:00.33 | ts | So..the 9600 sucks hard? |
| 20:00.38 | JeffM | yeah |
| 20:00.45 | JeffM | the 9600 wasn't even a high end card when it came out |
| 20:01.09 | JeffM | the 4870 was the top end single chip card when it was released |
| 20:01.16 | JeffM | I have a 4850 and am VERY happy with it |
| 20:01.20 | ts | Will the 4870 be able to display BZFlag with full details and good framerate? |
| 20:01.26 | JeffM | oh god yes |
| 20:01.30 | ts | Cool |
| 20:01.33 | JeffM | bzflag is nothing to it |
| 20:01.57 | ts | Nothing? :o |
| 20:01.58 | JeffM | what CPU will you feed it with? |
| 20:02.02 | JeffM | bzflag dosn't do much |
| 20:02.10 | JeffM | it draws maybe a couple thousand triangles a frame |
| 20:02.16 | ts | It'll be some Nehalem Xeon, I guess |
| 20:02.24 | JeffM | why? |
| 20:02.47 | ts | Well, I'm stuck with Apple because of some old data.. |
| 20:03.02 | JeffM | convert it |
| 20:03.10 | ts | and they either have all in one or those oversized Mac Pros. |
| 20:03.23 | ts | I really like the OS but the hardware is crap |
| 20:03.26 | JeffM | sure for 1500$ more then you need to spend :) |
| 20:04.14 | ts | It's surely on the expensive side |
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| 20:04.38 | blast007 | the mac pro isn't that much more than what it would cost to build an equivilent PC |
| 20:04.39 | JeffM | they need something like the old cube, with a q6600 in it, and sell it for like 700$ |
| 20:04.59 | JeffM | blast007: no for the same machine no, the problem is he dosn't NEED that much machine |
| 20:05.02 | JeffM | but he has no other choice |
| 20:05.04 | ts | blast007: That's only true for double CPU Mac Pros.. |
| 20:05.05 | blast007 | ;) |
| 20:05.05 | JeffM | beside mini and imac |
| 20:05.21 | blast007 | ts: well, doesn't even the single CPU one include two sockets on the board? |
| 20:05.25 | JeffM | they need something in the middle that lets you swap out a card, and use a display |
| 20:05.31 | ts | Imac is incredible bright and can't be dimmed. Way too bright. |
| 20:05.50 | JeffM | they need something to compete with the 600$ dells |
| 20:06.06 | blast007 | JeffM: yeah, that's why I won't buy a Mac. I want to be able to upgrade stuff without spending $3000 for that ability.. |
| 20:06.06 | ts | blast007: Yes, it has two sockets but I would void guarantee when changing |
| 20:06.09 | blast007 | ;) |
| 20:06.52 | ts | I don't want to start some war, either. Just interested in how the cards compare. :) |
| 20:07.27 | JeffM | ts basicly they are not even in the same class |
| 20:07.39 | JeffM | they are many generations appart |
| 20:07.51 | blast007 | sorta like Doom 1 vs Doom 3 ;) |
| 20:08.17 | ts | I have to admit I never saw Doom 1 |
| 20:08.37 | ts | but Doom 3 is really really crappy at my hardware. |
| 20:08.48 | blast007 | http://www.fpsteam.it/img2004/doom/doom1_01.jpg |
| 20:09.10 | JeffM | there have been 4 generations between the 9600 and the 48xx series |
| 20:09.41 | ts | blast007: That screenshot looks..ludicrous |
| 20:09.45 | JeffM | as long as apple dosn't screw your drivers up, the 4800 series will do everything your old card does, way better. |
| 20:10.09 | JeffM | I don't even think your 9600 has real shaders |
| 20:10.16 | JeffM | or if it does, it's shader v1 |
| 20:10.31 | ts | I thought it has 4 shader units but nothing unified |
| 20:10.44 | JeffM | heh, 4 |
| 20:10.55 | JeffM | I'm prety sure mine has over 200 |
| 20:11.09 | JeffM | my last nvidia card had 192 or something |
| 20:11.27 | JeffM | it's all paralel pipeline stuff now |
| 20:11.37 | ts | However..looking at tech specs doesn't say anything about real life performance and in todays benchmarks there isn't even a reference to my old card |
| 20:11.47 | JeffM | exactly |
| 20:11.51 | JeffM | they can not compare |
| 20:12.09 | JeffM | heck the ramdac on the 4870 can probably do more then your 9600 |
| 20:12.22 | ts | Eeek |
| 20:13.08 | ts | Are todays cards twice as fast? |
| 20:13.30 | JeffM | depends at what, but probably on average more |
| 20:13.46 | JeffM | your card jsut can't do what the new cards do |
| 20:13.57 | JeffM | and there are limits as to how fast you can do what the old cards do on new ones |
| 20:14.01 | JeffM | CPU feed, etc.. |
| 20:14.06 | JeffM | but I'd say 5-6x |
| 20:14.14 | ts | Wow |
| 20:14.16 | JeffM | in just raw computational power |
| 20:14.34 | ts | Thanks for the insight |
| 20:14.38 | JeffM | I mean you've more then doubled the memory bandwiths, the bus, etc.. |
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| 21:24.10 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous: you won't guess what just happened. |
| 21:27.01 | Winny | [insert witty statement] |
| 21:27.11 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:31.26 | JeffM2501 | my laptop acctualy conencts to my home wireless network now |
| 21:31.30 | JeffM2501 | in linux |
| 21:36.15 | Erroneous | heh |
| 21:36.27 | Erroneous | congrats ;) |
| 21:36.40 | JeffM2501 | I'm wondering if something in the driver is set to not let it connect to "unsecured" networks |
| 21:36.46 | JeffM2501 | since my old router was just wep |
| 21:36.50 | JeffM2501 | and the new one is WPA2 |
| 21:37.08 | Winny | wep? eek |
| 21:37.19 | spldart | hehe |
| 21:37.21 | Erroneous | the driver shouldn't have any problem, but the configuration stuff is pretty different for WPA |
| 21:37.41 | JeffM2501 | maybe then open and wep were buggy |
| 21:37.53 | Erroneous | wpa_supplicant is a middle layer that changes a lot of the communications |
| 21:37.59 | JeffM2501 | cus it coudn't do open or wep, but it worked at the hotel and it was WPA |
| 21:38.15 | JeffM2501 | but now all the computers at on the same network :) |
| 21:38.28 | Erroneous | imagine that |
| 21:38.29 | JeffM2501 | and was was 3 boxes is now one box :) |
| 21:38.31 | Erroneous | got your gateway? |
| 21:38.33 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:38.35 | JeffM2501 | it's sexy |
| 21:38.42 | JeffM2501 | mac people would love it |
| 21:38.44 | JeffM2501 | it's white |
| 21:38.46 | Erroneous | heh |
| 21:38.48 | JeffM2501 | and shiny |
| 21:39.02 | JeffM2501 | have to figure out how to open ports in it |
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| 21:50.49 | JeffM2501 | yay, port routes are easy :) |
| 21:55.12 | JeffM2501 | ~bzfquery home.opencombat.net:5154 |
| 21:56.14 | blast007 | or so you thought ;) |
| 21:56.27 | JeffM2501 | shows up on the list |
| 21:56.47 | blast007 | ~bzfquery bzexcess.com:5154 |
| 21:56.57 | JeffM2501 | odd |
| 21:57.10 | JeffM2501 | the list server connected |
| 21:57.16 | blast007 | yes, very odd. there's players on my server! |
| 21:57.35 | JeffM2501 | perhaps DNS hasn't updated for ibot yet |
| 21:57.38 | JeffM2501 | but did for list server |
| 21:57.45 | JeffM2501 | it is a no-ip thing |
| 21:58.28 | blast007 | oh, 2.99.x server? |
| 21:58.36 | JeffM2501 | shoudn't be |
| 21:59.02 | JeffM2501 | oh, duh, yeah I did run trunk |
| 21:59.04 | JeffM2501 | stupid me |
| 21:59.21 | JeffM2501 | well I'm guessing it works then |
| 21:59.25 | blast007 | yeah |
| 21:59.36 | blast007 | Incompatible server version BZFS0066 ;) |
| 21:59.54 | JeffM2501 | cool, it has easy ways to save port mapings too |
| 22:00.08 | blast007 | which router did you get? |
| 22:00.11 | JeffM2501 | and you don't have to remember the IP of the desitnation machine |
| 22:00.34 | JeffM2501 | 2wire 2701HG-B |
| 22:00.56 | JeffM2501 | it has a list of all the machines connected, you click on the one you want and just set what you want routed to that machine |
| 22:01.12 | blast007 | ah, neat |
| 22:02.00 | JeffM2501 | it's also the DSL modem |
| 22:02.07 | JeffM2501 | so I only have one box now |
| 22:03.07 | blast007 | one of these days I should toss OpenWRT on my router |
| 22:03.31 | blast007 | still running the original firmware it came with ;) |
| 22:04.44 | JeffM2501 | the cool thing is that after rebate, the thing will only cost me 30$ |
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