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| 01:43.17 | Flash | delusional: I haven't had much experience/success using core file debugging on the Mac. Just run bzflag in the debugger |
| 01:43.34 | Flash | gdb src/bzflag/bzflag |
| 01:43.41 | Flash | set arg -dir data -window |
| 01:43.43 | Flash | run |
| 01:43.57 | delusional | well, the thing about that.. as soon as I did, it stopped making cores on the freeze, again |
| 01:44.22 | Flash | there is an issue with FTGL and OpenGL with very small font sizes |
| 01:44.48 | Flash | I put some debug code in to throw a divide-by-zero if font sizes lower than 3 are requested |
| 01:44.59 | Flash | and it has exposed a glaring logic error in FontSizer |
| 01:45.18 | Flash | but I'm not yet sure what it thinks it's supposed to be doing, so I can't fix it |
| 01:45.48 | delusional | do you get this? warning: Unable to read symbols for "@executable_path/../Frameworks/SDL.framework/Versions/A/SDL" (file not found).warning: Unable to read symbols from "SDL" (not yet mapped into memory). |
| 01:46.00 | Flash | I get something like that |
| 01:46.48 | delusional | so what your saying is.... there's no need for my core output, you got a handle on it? |
| 01:47.57 | Flash | well.... there can always be more than one bug..... |
| 01:48.08 | Flash | but the SDL thing you can safely ignore |
| 01:48.14 | Flash | that's a non-issue |
| 01:48.49 | Flash | I think it would go away if you had a fully built .app |
| 01:52.47 | delusional | I'll try that. |
| 01:58.47 | delusional | I've had permissions issues since upgrading to 10.5 test -z "/usr/local/share/bzflag/fonts" || /bin/sh /Users/delusional/bzflag/misc/install-sh -d "/usr/local/share/bzflag/fonts" |
| 02:03.13 | Flash | why install? |
| 02:03.25 | Flash | do you know how to make the app? |
| 02:03.33 | delusional | i thought so |
| 02:03.42 | Flash | just launch xcode and build the project |
| 02:03.45 | delusional | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:03.47 | Flash | no |
| 02:03.55 | Flash | you never need to install for Mac |
| 02:04.20 | Flash | if you build from xcode, there's a Development/.../bzflag.app directory |
| 02:04.31 | delusional | go on. |
| 02:04.33 | Flash | (I don't remember the exact path |
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| 02:04.49 | Flash | that directory is the double-clickable app |
| 02:05.21 | Flash | but from the command-line, you can cd down into where the actual bzflag executable lives and run GDB on it |
| 02:05.30 | Flash | I have to eat now, but I'll get back to you later |
| 02:05.36 | delusional | honestly.. I'd need a complete walthrough, to do that |
| 02:05.45 | Flash | ok |
| 02:05.49 | Flash | back in an hour or so |
| 02:13.27 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak: you alive? |
| 02:14.52 | Winny | I hear he is a member of the undead |
| 02:17.08 | JeffM2501 | better not be, he was rather sick |
| 02:17.21 | JeffM2501 | but I see he had his laptop on so I guess that means he's still alive |
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| 02:28.49 | delusional | flash it built easily using the xcodeproj. |
| 02:32.52 | trepan | just bought a 24" lcd, widescreen is going to take some getting used to |
| 02:33.22 | delusional | happy black friday! nuch much more real estate. |
| 02:34.25 | JeffM2501 | 1920x1200 FTW |
| 02:35.22 | trepan | JeffM2501: looks pretty, but it's messing with my long standing window arrangements :) |
| 02:35.43 | JeffM2501 | you'll develop new ones |
| 02:35.49 | JeffM2501 | you can never go back tho |
| 02:36.12 | trepan | if nothing else, lcd is supposed to be easier on the eyes |
| 02:37.22 | JeffM2501 | tis, crisper edges |
| 02:37.26 | JeffM2501 | and subpixel rendering |
| 02:38.01 | delusional | fly's see at 500 frames per second. To them, a raster display it 60hz is like a strobe. |
| 02:41.57 | Flash | JeffM2501: do you understand the font sizing logic? |
| 02:42.08 | JeffM2501 | what do you mean? |
| 02:42.23 | Flash | there are two sets of bzdb variables relating to font size |
| 02:42.43 | Flash | one is a point size (small medium large .... 16 32 40 or so) |
| 02:43.02 | Flash | the other is an inverse (1/40 1/256 etc) |
| 02:43.30 | Flash | FontSizer has two uses... sometimes you provide a size; sometimes a ratio |
| 02:43.30 | JeffM2501 | I know we do some scaling |
| 02:43.41 | JeffM2501 | as the fonts are always suposed to take a specific percentage of the screen |
| 02:43.46 | Flash | but I can't figure out what the ratio is supposed to be relative to |
| 02:43.48 | JeffM2501 | depending on what mode you are in |
| 02:43.53 | JeffM2501 | screen size |
| 02:43.56 | JeffM2501 | height IIRC |
| 02:44.00 | Flash | where is the screen size available? |
| 02:44.09 | Flash | because the current calculations are whacked |
| 02:44.18 | JeffM2501 | window and display should have it |
| 02:44.23 | JeffM2501 | it's also in a bzdb var |
| 02:44.39 | JeffM2501 | the current calcs are different from 2.0.x |
| 02:44.42 | JeffM2501 | and we know that |
| 02:44.52 | JeffM2501 | trunk is not suposed to look exactly the same as branch |
| 02:45.04 | Flash | I haven't actually looked at branch yet |
| 02:45.25 | Flash | I'm just trying to track down this bug with font sizing that causes stack corruption and crashes |
| 02:45.46 | JeffM2501 | how can a size cause stack issues |
| 02:46.03 | Flash | it passes invalid parameters to an OpenGL call |
| 02:46.37 | JeffM2501 | Gl should not bork the stack on that |
| 02:46.41 | JeffM2501 | just return an error |
| 02:46.42 | JeffM2501 | what call? |
| 02:47.15 | Flash | look in FTTextureGlyph.cpp ... applmak added the asserts around the call that causes corruption |
| 02:47.27 | JeffM2501 | I have no code right now |
| 02:47.39 | JeffM2501 | if you can not explain it, then I'm not sure you should be trying to fix it ;) |
| 02:47.45 | Flash | ok... the call is glTexSubImage |
| 02:47.54 | JeffM2501 | k, and what is the bad param? |
| 02:48.15 | Flash | part of the problem is that ftgl creates a margin around the glyph |
| 02:48.33 | Flash | and if the font size is smaller than 3 or so, the margin doesn't fit anymore |
| 02:48.46 | Flash | but there's really no reason to use font sizes that small |
| 02:49.17 | JeffM2501 | then clamp it at 3 in the font manager and be done with it |
| 02:49.32 | Flash | that doesn't have desirable effects |
| 02:49.48 | JeffM2501 | what are the desirable effects? |
| 02:49.56 | JeffM2501 | I mean the limit is an issue WITH the font manger |
| 02:50.00 | JeffM2501 | not the rest of the game |
| 02:50.06 | Flash | desirable: fonts look like you want them to |
| 02:50.19 | JeffM2501 | they can't, when our system dosn't support fonts less then 3 |
| 02:50.19 | Flash | when clamped at 3, all the menu fonts are really tiny |
| 02:50.35 | JeffM2501 | but you just said less then 3 crashes |
| 02:50.42 | JeffM2501 | so we can't do less then 3 no mater what |
| 02:50.44 | Flash | it's in the iteration used to figure out what size to use |
| 02:50.57 | JeffM2501 | is it in FTGL or in our code? |
| 02:51.09 | Flash | I think the core issue is in our code FontSizer |
| 02:51.12 | JeffM2501 | if it's in FTGL build a FTGL sample app, and fix it in FTGL |
| 02:51.34 | JeffM2501 | and the problem is our iterator blows out the stack? or sends a size that is invalid for FTGL? |
| 02:51.34 | Flash | and it's related to using those ratio bzdb variables |
| 02:52.00 | Flash | it sends a small size to FTGL through FontManager, just trying to figure out how big a given size would be |
| 02:52.16 | JeffM2501 | and that size is too small for FTGL? |
| 02:52.19 | Flash | yes |
| 02:52.30 | JeffM2501 | so the stack courption happens in FTGL? |
| 02:52.39 | Flash | it actually happens in OpenGL |
| 02:52.45 | JeffM2501 | but from FTGL |
| 02:52.50 | Flash | yes |
| 02:52.51 | JeffM2501 | FTGL should not accept invalid input |
| 02:52.58 | JeffM2501 | so the fix should go in FTGL |
| 02:52.58 | Flash | granted |
| 02:53.07 | Flash | there are multiple things to fix |
| 02:53.13 | Flash | FTGL should be more robust |
| 02:53.16 | JeffM2501 | I mean openGL should not accept bad intput, but it seems AGL dosn't like to be standards compliant |
| 02:53.19 | Flash | and our logic should be coherent |
| 02:53.20 | JeffM2501 | then fix FTGL |
| 02:53.24 | JeffM2501 | first |
| 02:53.28 | JeffM2501 | in a FTGL sample app |
| 02:53.36 | JeffM2501 | then see what we have to do AFTER that is fixed |
| 02:53.45 | JeffM2501 | we should not build in FTGL workarounds into bzflag |
| 02:54.05 | JeffM2501 | sure we can clean up our scaling code to read better too, but that isn't the core crash |
| 02:54.12 | Flash | true, but I think we have a core logic error that is unnecessarily exposing an FTGL issue |
| 02:54.20 | JeffM2501 | perhaps |
| 02:54.25 | JeffM2501 | but we also "own" FTGL |
| 02:54.27 | JeffM2501 | so fix FTGL |
| 02:54.35 | JeffM2501 | who cares how we found the bug in FTGL |
| 02:54.46 | JeffM2501 | it may have been found with valid scale code on a REALLY small display |
| 02:54.51 | JeffM2501 | PDA anyone? |
| 02:54.59 | Flash | PDA BZFlag FTW |
| 02:55.00 | JeffM2501 | it's just good that we found it now |
| 02:55.11 | JeffM2501 | so it still comes down to fix FTGL first |
| 02:55.28 | JeffM2501 | and I'd do that in a sample app so you don't have to combine 2 problems into one |
| 02:58.09 | JeffM2501 | FTGL should ship with samples you can modify to duplicate the input that bzflag does |
| 02:58.24 | JeffM2501 | that will also verify that the bug is in FTGL with AGL |
| 02:59.08 | JeffM2501 | and be a testbed to see if other platforms have the same issue |
| 03:14.09 | Flash | BulletCatcher: ping |
| 03:15.11 | BulletCatcher | bails out from The Two Tanks |
| 03:15.29 | Flash | have you seen this: http://developer.apple.com/qa/qa2007/qa1567.html |
| 03:16.59 | BulletCatcher | I see it now. Of course, I still run 10.4. |
| 03:17.47 | Flash | I'm just wondering if someone skilled in configure could use that information to eliminate our hack of requiring the freetype-build for OS 10.5 |
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| 03:21.22 | BulletCatcher | Didn't we just set a minimum version for freetype? A number that is not met in 10.5? (I forget exactly how what we did was a "hack".) |
| 03:21.38 | Flash | I don't think so |
| 03:21.53 | Flash | 10.5 requires that you configure with --enable-freetype-build |
| 03:22.06 | Flash | so we use the included freetype rather than the system one |
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| 03:22.44 | Flash | doing so eliminates the otherwise enforced include of /usr/lib/libOpenGL from the freetype-config |
| 03:24.01 | BulletCatcher | So we never eliminated the need for --enable-freetype-build when running configure? |
| 03:24.11 | Flash | I don't believe so |
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| 03:24.41 | Flash | or if we did, it was while I was sleeping or otherwise occupied |
| 03:25.08 | BulletCatcher | If you would do a test build without it, that would confirm one way or the other. |
| 03:31.41 | BulletCatcher | Heh. "This is a side effect of various linker improvements" |
| 03:38.50 | Flash | wow. ./configure && make compiles without error. Who would have thunk it? |
| 03:39.21 | BulletCatcher | Yay. |
| 03:40.41 | BulletCatcher | Did it build the included freetype? If so, where and why did it choose to do so? |
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| 03:47.52 | Flash | no, it did not build the included freetype |
| 03:48.22 | Flash | it wasn't a pristine build, but I did go back into src/other and "make clean; make" and no freetype |
| 03:48.48 | Flash | I wonder if they finally fixed the libraries in one of the system updates? |
| 03:50.16 | BulletCatcher | Well, QA1567 is more than a year old. |
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| 03:55.25 | delusional | heh, I had mentioned a week ago how impressed I was that ./configure && make would always built 2.99, it NEVER did that before. |
| 03:56.14 | Flash | that was probably the week I was in Germany and away from IRC ;-) |
| 03:56.54 | BulletCatcher | Germany has been on the internet for many months, now. ;-) |
| 03:57.07 | Flash | I know; I just didn't bother to turn on IRC |
| 03:57.21 | Flash | I was busy playing stupid games on Facebook |
| 03:57.24 | Flash | blushes in shame |
| 03:57.28 | BulletCatcher | lol |
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| 11:13.40 | dexter- | ok, i fell stupid asking this, but how do I upload a file to the forums? e.g. a screenshot? :E |
| 11:23.54 | dexter- | fail, i got it |
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| 15:31.24 | Winny | L4m3r: spammer on BZBB |
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| 15:39.14 | Dessy | Hello guys, |
| 15:40.21 | Dessy | is any Forum admin here? I found few spam post in the forum |
| 15:40.27 | Dessy | maybe someone can delete it? |
| 15:40.35 | Dessy | The name is cshaobu759546 |
| 15:44.41 | delusional | they are on it. |
| 15:55.19 | delusional | i don't know, i still can't do a backtrace, but it seems to me that this crash is more of an input issue, than anything to do with fonts. When i press any key across the top row of my keyboard, the system alert sound plays, indicating invalid input.. It's like bzflag isn't fully grabbing the keyboard input from the system, or allowing some to escape. When the freeze happens, my finger is always on the down arrow key... driving forward then |
| 15:56.33 | delusional | in menus, pressing up arrow several times quickly then pressing down, freezes it. |
| 15:58.20 | delusional | I get the same result building with xcode or make |
| 15:59.52 | delusional | no freeze with mouse.... press left and down arrow=freeze |
| 16:10.40 | joevano | wonders if we could limit "new" forum acounts to two posts the first day |
| 16:11.07 | joevano | that was by far the worst spam attack I've seen, 25 posts |
| 16:11.12 | delusional | one |
| 16:11.25 | blast007 | joevano: 5 more than yesterday ;) |
| 16:11.26 | joevano | yeah that would work too |
| 16:12.16 | blast007 | or we could add a new question to the registration form: "Are you a spammer? (Don't lie!) Yes / No" |
| 16:12.25 | blast007 | ;) |
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| 16:14.00 | blast007 | joevano: or other ideas: don't show their URL from their profile until they have 10 posts, limit how many posts they can post the first day with a URL |
| 16:14.22 | blast007 | or prevent them from posting in most of the forums until they have played the game ;) |
| 16:14.32 | blast007 | maybe keep one forum open for login issues |
| 16:14.34 | joevano | hehe |
| 16:14.56 | blast007 | THEN if we get spammers, we know just how dedicated they are :P |
| 16:17.14 | joevano | blast007: how about upping the flood interval from 15 to 30 seconds? |
| 16:17.40 | blast007 | that probably wouldn't help |
| 16:18.55 | delusional | up my key repeat rate to maximum... instant freeze with any arrow key |
| 16:18.57 | joevano | k, i wasn't confident it would either |
| 16:20.24 | Winny | what if they have a link in their first post it gets rejected |
| 16:20.25 | Winny | or soemthing |
| 16:20.52 | joevano | code it up :P |
| 16:21.19 | Winny | lazy |
| 16:26.12 | delusional | i can drive around all day without hitting the down arrow key.... as soon as I do, crash |
| 16:35.56 | blast007 | delusional: works in Windows :/ |
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| 17:51.16 | tj13820 | who here is an Admin at Volcano Island? (if anyone...) |
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| 17:54.49 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: * renamed "TeleFrame" to "TeleMaterial" (the others they all end with "Material") |
| 17:54.49 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: - feel free to change to "TeleFrameMaterial" if it needs to be clearer |
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| 19:05.11 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: * added vertical sync control to the display menu |
| 19:05.11 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: -> needs to be tested on windows |
| 19:05.11 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: * added <string.h> headers for the modeltool sources (wasn't building) |
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| 19:07.05 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r18999 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/VerticalSync.cxx: * probably needs this fix to build on windows |
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| 19:43.35 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19000 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ (4 files): * style updates for dynamic text objects |
| 20:01.22 | TD-Linux | trepan++ |
| 20:01.40 | TD-Linux | I test |
| 20:03.28 | trepan | you have tested vsync on windows? |
| 20:03.43 | TD-Linux | no, I'm still compiling to test on linux |
| 20:04.04 | trepan | ah, already been tested there ;-) |
| 20:04.12 | TD-Linux | more testing doesn't hurt! :) |
| 20:04.45 | TD-Linux | on 2.0.x, I needed vsync, otherwise my framerate was very jittery |
| 20:05.04 | trepan | vidcard? |
| 20:05.12 | TD-Linux | nvidia quadro fx 570m |
| 20:05.17 | TD-Linux | aka 8600gt |
| 20:05.49 | TD-Linux | 's theory is that the jitteryness has to do with sound |
| 20:08.03 | TD-Linux | can't find vsync control :( |
| 20:08.04 | TD-Linux | oops |
| 20:08.08 | TD-Linux | nvm |
| 20:09.54 | TD-Linux | hmm |
| 20:09.59 | TD-Linux | I get really nasty tearing on the top |
| 20:10.06 | TD-Linux | 50 pixels or so |
| 20:10.31 | JeffM2501 | quadro != geforce |
| 20:10.38 | TD-Linux | not any more |
| 20:10.45 | JeffM2501 | never did |
| 20:10.53 | JeffM2501 | they always had differnt blend modes and drivers |
| 20:13.59 | trepan | TD-Linux: yup, i'm seeing the tearing too |
| 20:14.18 | trepan | i guess more testing is good :) |
| 20:15.04 | BulletCatcher | We could use an admin on Desert War. Registered player "clouder" is cheating. |
| 20:15.14 | delusional | i got it |
| 20:16.07 | BulletCatcher | Thanks. |
| 20:16.59 | TD-Linux | the code name is very similar |
| 20:17.45 | TD-Linux | 8600 has G84, Quadro FX 570M has G84GL |
| 20:19.08 | TD-Linux | the Quadro does seem to have a few more features, but they are probably the same chip, with a few bits flipped somewhere |
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| 20:32.56 | tj13820 | i need an admin from wtwrp.doenemeier quickly. I believe a hacker is present on a server. |
| 20:42.18 | blast007 | by "hacker" you mean "cheater" ? |
| 20:45.15 | delusional | or "clouder" |
| 20:48.14 | TD-Linux | logs in with callsign "bespin" |
| 20:59.10 | blast007 | heh, laserball is having a "private conversation" with the cheater, on his (laserball's) server. I can't go there for 10 minutes. |
| 21:12.04 | TD-Linux | fail |
| 21:13.33 | me1 | heh |
| 21:32.45 | trepan | TD-Linux: i have another way to do the vsync -- but you have to restart for it to disable it |
| 21:34.36 | trepan | seems to fix the top tearing though |
| 21:38.55 | CBG | ~seen SpazzyMcGee |
| 21:38.58 | ibot | spazzymcgee <n=SpazzyMc@bzflag/contributor/SpazzyMcGee> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 28d 2h 35m 8s ago, saying: 'If you're trying to make the wiki a full documentation of the game, it would make sense to have something about how the download access works.'. |
| 21:39.14 | CBG | :o |
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| 23:04.33 | TD-Linux | trepan, I think that's how most games do it - they restart themselves when the setting is changed |
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