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| 00:30.08 | Fiberchunks | hey JeffM, I'd like to throw a different card in my desktop rig, and I was wondering - with a 300 W power supply, would I need to upgrade that as well with say, and 8600GS or GT? (I'm thinking I would have to - to like 350W or 400W, but I'm not sure) |
| 00:30.33 | JeffM | get a 550 and you'll be fine for a good long while |
| 00:30.35 | Think_Differentl | depends on your desktop |
| 00:30.40 | JeffM | the proce diff should not be much |
| 00:31.11 | Think_Differentl | the 86xx series use just a little over 75w, IIRC |
| 00:31.27 | JeffM | it's never good to be too close to the edge |
| 00:32.02 | JeffM | do people even make ones smaller then 400 now? |
| 00:32.03 | Fiberchunks | I'm not sure if I've got to worry about form factor with this box, since it's a Gateway ... are the big manufacturers still doing the proprietary form factors these days? |
| 00:32.13 | JeffM | not really |
| 00:32.13 | Fiberchunks | yeah, this Gateway has a 300W in it. |
| 00:32.28 | JeffM | how old is it? |
| 00:32.38 | Fiberchunks | maybe 2 years? |
| 00:32.46 | JeffM | you'd have to check |
| 00:32.49 | JeffM | I'd replace it |
| 00:32.53 | JeffM | 300 is prety low |
| 00:33.02 | Fiberchunks | that's what I was thinking too |
| 00:33.17 | JeffM | a thermaltake 430 is like 41$ and a 500 is like 60$ |
| 00:33.26 | JeffM | just make sure it's a standard ATX mobo |
| 00:33.49 | Think_Differentl | also, make sure to get a *good* brand. |
| 00:34.00 | JeffM | yeah |
| 00:34.06 | JeffM | I use an antec |
| 00:34.13 | JeffM | but I've also used thermaltake |
| 00:34.23 | JeffM | I had an ultra that was "ok" |
| 00:34.27 | JeffM | but I had to replace it |
| 00:34.38 | JeffM | it didn't do enough amps for a 7800GTX |
| 00:34.38 | Fiberchunks | it may be btx, or micro-atx -- will that induce the power supply form factor all? |
| 00:34.50 | JeffM | does the CPU fan have a duct to the front? |
| 00:35.14 | Fiberchunks | there is a duct over the CPU -- but it's to the rear, not the front of the case |
| 00:35.14 | Think_Differentl | i had some cheap "575w" no-name. it fried itself, and luckily not my board, so I bought an Antec. |
| 00:35.29 | JeffM | from the front, what side opens up, left or right? |
| 00:35.36 | Fiberchunks | left |
| 00:35.41 | JeffM | then it's ATX |
| 00:35.49 | Fiberchunks | ah, cool -- that makes life easier |
| 00:35.56 | JeffM | just check the connectors |
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| 00:36.03 | JeffM | make sure it dosn't have any "bonus" ones |
| 00:36.19 | JeffM | it should have one big 20 pin connector |
| 00:36.24 | Fiberchunks | that it does |
| 00:36.29 | Fiberchunks | and a 4 pin right? |
| 00:36.32 | JeffM | yeah |
| 00:36.37 | JeffM | and no others |
| 00:36.46 | Fiberchunks | cool, that it's |
| 00:36.47 | JeffM | some dells have an extra 10 pin |
| 00:36.51 | JeffM | then yeah it's ATX |
| 00:37.36 | JeffM | tries to remember if the 8600 needs a 6pin power rail or not |
| 00:38.21 | Think_Differentl | my 8600 does |
| 00:38.29 | Think_Differentl | you mean, a PCIe power? |
| 00:38.40 | JeffM | a plug from the PS to the card |
| 00:38.41 | Fiberchunks | this box is only running the bare minimum (1 HDD, optical, 5-in-1 reader, CPU, RAM, and 3 fans), but I am planning on adding a couple more drives to it at some point |
| 00:38.44 | Think_Differentl | yeah |
| 00:38.45 | Think_Differentl | it does |
| 00:38.53 | JeffM | it have 4 or 6 pins? |
| 00:38.59 | Think_Differentl | 6 |
| 00:39.07 | Think_Differentl | it's a standard PCIe GPU connector |
| 00:39.08 | JeffM | Fiberchunks, CPU and video will be your big power suckers |
| 00:39.10 | JeffM | yeah |
| 00:39.19 | JeffM | a modern PS will have that plug |
| 00:39.29 | JeffM | that'd be another reason you need to upgrade the PS, it won't have that connector |
| 00:39.55 | Fiberchunks | well, here's another question -- if I upgrade my power supply, then I should be able to slap any ole nvidia board in there if the PS has the PCIe power connector yes? |
| 00:40.03 | JeffM | yes |
| 00:40.07 | JeffM | I'd do a 9600 |
| 00:40.14 | JeffM | that's is best bang for buck |
| 00:40.20 | Think_Differentl | or a 4670 |
| 00:40.24 | Fiberchunks | and 550W would be plenty of power for the card and any extra HDD and so on I slap in there? |
| 00:40.32 | JeffM | yeah you could go ATI |
| 00:40.37 | JeffM | they should be supported by radeonhd |
| 00:40.56 | Fiberchunks | are ATI drivers actually worth a damn these days (in linux, that is?) |
| 00:41.23 | JeffM | the radeonHD driver has a lot of promice, but its' very very new |
| 00:41.39 | Fiberchunks | notes that he'll probably go with what he knows works, e.g. nvidia |
| 00:41.39 | JeffM | I have a 4850 in my desktop and it's a great card |
| 00:41.48 | Fiberchunks | running windows or linux ? |
| 00:41.54 | JeffM | the 9600 is a sold card, it's just as fast as the 8800GT |
| 00:41.57 | JeffM | windows |
| 00:42.03 | Think_Differentl | i'm shooting for a 4870 once the prices drop below 200 |
| 00:42.04 | Fiberchunks | yeah, that's what I thought |
| 00:44.10 | Fiberchunks | cool, then I'll pick up a 550W ATX Thermaltake PS, and a 9600 -- which one, GT, GS, etc? |
| 00:44.47 | JeffM | the one with the most shaders |
| 00:44.50 | JeffM | shaders good |
| 00:48.40 | Fiberchunks | is that what newegg calls "stream processors"? |
| 00:48.59 | JeffM | yeah |
| 00:49.17 | Fiberchunks | cool |
| 00:50.54 | TD-Linux | GT > GS |
| 00:51.06 | Fiberchunks | any particular nvidia manufacturer you prefer / have had good success with? |
| 00:51.29 | Fiberchunks | TD-Linux, yeah, I figured that one out by drifting through newegg :) |
| 00:51.31 | Fiberchunks | thanks |
| 00:51.43 | TD-Linux | warranties differ a lot |
| 00:51.56 | JeffM | I've used a lot of EVGA |
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| 01:19.46 | spldart | Antec = ++ |
| 01:19.56 | spldart | .. sry.. after the fact ;) |
| 01:20.54 | spldart | EVGA = ok |
| 01:21.02 | spldart | 9600 = all right |
| 01:21.03 | spldart | :) |
| 01:25.02 | Erroneous | is a BFG fan |
| 01:27.01 | Erroneous | friend of mine had two BFG 7800s in SLI when they first came out...year later, one died, so he sent it back. they replaced it with a 7950. he wrote them saying that he had been running them in SLI, and couldn't pair the 7950 with the 7800, so they sent him a second 7950, and let him keep the 7800. |
| 01:34.14 | Erroneous | is running a BFG 9600GT in his machine now, actually |
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| 07:07.39 | Manu | yawns |
| 07:10.09 | ruskie | *YYYYAAAAAAWWWWNNNN* |
| 07:10.25 | Manu | good morning ruskie :) |
| 07:10.30 | BulletCatcher | Get off my yawn, you kids! |
| 07:10.46 | ruskie | <-- been up since ~0600 or something... |
| 07:10.53 | ruskie | and it's 0811 atm... |
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| 08:54.38 | L4m3r | oh, my shirt arrived today. thanks! :) |
| 08:58.08 | a_meteorite | pics! |
| 08:59.24 | L4m3r | not tonight |
| 08:59.31 | L4m3r | maybe when my new camera arrives :P |
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