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00:02.30CBGblast007: Edit the "post" form? :P
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03:52.39cosmosim sure the answer is SOL but anyone got the current svn 2.0.x branch compiled on freebsd 4.11?
03:52.43cosmosmine bombs out
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03:58.29cosmosgonna try the 2.0.10 base just for giggles
04:00.09blast007define "bombs out"
04:00.30cosmosbzfsAPI.cxx: In function `void bz_setClientWorldDownloadURL(const char *)':
04:00.30cosmosbzfsAPI.cxx:1900: no matching function for call to `basic_string<char,string_char_traits<char>,__default_alloc_template<false,0> >::clear ()'
04:00.31cosmos*** Error code 1
04:00.32blast007during the build? when trying to run?
04:00.36cosmoswhen compiling bzfs
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04:06.45cosmosgonna try something and give it another run
04:10.17cosmosdarn, same compile error with the downloaded 2.0.10 source tar
04:14.44JeffM2501what error?
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04:29.08cosmosduring bzfs build
04:29.09cosmosbzfsAPI.cxx: In function `void bz_setClientWorldDownloadURL(const char *)':
04:29.10cosmosbzfsAPI.cxx:1903: no matching function for call to `basic_string<char,string_char_traits<char>,__default_alloc_template<false,0> >::clear ()'
04:29.10cosmos*** Error code 1
04:35.24JeffM2501what OS?
04:38.34cosmosfreebsd 4.11
04:38.48JeffM2501something in your SDL isn't good
04:38.59JeffM2501you ran autogen and configure?
04:39.04cosmosyep
04:39.28cosmosran the autogen.sh and then configure --prefix=/bzflag --disable-client
04:40.45JeffM2501wierd
04:42.05cosmosgonna poke around a bit more
04:44.53cosmosits always a bit of an adventure with the older freebsd boxes
04:46.33JeffM2501are there any updates to your std C++ libs?
04:46.58cosmosim looking into the ports system now to see if i cant easily do that
04:47.03cosmosotherwise its off to the gcc sources
05:17.07DTRemenakcosmos: you need to use gcc3
05:17.17DTRemenakno more 2.95 ;)
05:17.48cosmosyeah im pulling that down now
05:18.12cosmosdidnt even bother to look at the gcc version
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07:42.29cosmosyeah that was it, gcc version.  seems to be ok now
07:46.10Manuwow cosmos long time no see :)
07:46.18cosmoshola
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07:49.00cosmosjust getting back into the swing of things
07:49.14cosmoslost all my maps/configs :(  
07:50.50remotedoes bzedit works on linux?
07:53.48blast007remote: probably not real well.  You can try via Wine.
07:54.08blast007it's a really old editor and not really recommended for use anymore
07:54.32blast007then again, there's not many editors that do a whole lot more than it
07:54.50remoteok
07:54.52blast007you could try some of the other ones, like PyBZEdit
07:55.34remoteit's so old, 2004
07:55.49blast007http://my.bzflag.org/w/Category:Map_Editors
07:55.51blast007yeah
07:56.07blast007there's not really any "great" editors out there
07:56.18remoteso i'm guessing most creative maps out there are done by people experienced in 3d stuff
07:56.24blast007you'll probably end up doing some stuff graphically, and other stuff by hand
07:56.28blast007yeah
07:56.31remoteok
07:56.49blast007some of them use blender or Wings3D, and others use more advanced stuff
07:56.58blast007like lightwave, iirc
07:57.17blast007we have a tool called 'modeltool' that can convert .obj files to a bzflag map file
07:57.42blast007you can find it in our source tar or via SVN  (I'd recommend SVN)
07:58.23blast007it's in the tools directory of our main bzflag module
07:58.53blast007can't recall if it requires anything from outside it's directory (like certain bzflag files)
07:59.19blast007http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/trunk/bzflag/tools/modeltool/
07:59.46blast007or if you want to check that out with SVN:   svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag/tools/modeltool/
08:01.21remotei don't even know what .obj files are
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15:14.14blast007remote: .obj files are a type of 3D model that some 3D editors can import/export, such as Wings 3D
15:17.30blast007just something you might want to look into if/when you get bored of boxes and pyramids  ;)
15:18.21blast007(well, we *do* have some other objects, but unless you can get the BZWTools for blender working, there isn't any graphical editor that supports the extra stuff from bzflag 2.0.x)
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17:25.57daps_bzflag crashes on startup in linux, can anyone help?
17:27.12JeffMdoes it generate any errors?
17:27.15daps_have p4 3.0ghz, 1 gig ram, d865gbf motherboard with intel 82865 extreme graphics 2 for hardware.
17:27.22JeffMewww
17:27.40JeffMtry bzflag -window -geometry 800x600
17:27.51daps_It quickly loads screen and goes blank, where do I look for errors?
17:28.03JeffMit's going to be your video driver
17:28.06JeffMtry that command line
17:28.13daps_I basically can't start it
17:28.21JeffMtry that command line
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17:29.14daps_X Error of failed request:  BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)
17:29.14daps_<PROTECTED>
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17:29.17JeffMyeah
17:29.20JeffMdriver
17:29.27daps_how to fix?
17:29.34JeffMtry it with -window -geometry 800x600
17:32.05daps_X Error of failed request:  BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)
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17:32.18daps_tried geometry not luck
17:32.30JeffMyou did -window AND -geometry right?
17:32.56daps_but do I need to exit out x ? not sure what you mean by window and geometry
17:33.11blast007close bzflag, open a terminal, and type this:
17:33.11JeffMwhat was the command line you typed in to start bzflag?
17:33.19blast007bzflag -window -geometry 800x600
17:33.21blast007then press Enter
17:37.24daps_that works great, I will try and log in and get back to you, thanks!
17:37.42blast007you can try setting it to a full screen mode within the game now
17:38.29blast007Options > Display Settings > Change Video Format  (Try the one that matches your desktop resolution if others fail)
17:38.36JeffMor one smaller
17:38.59daps_let you know in a bit, thanks
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17:54.29daps_I'm back with issues, what was the command line for terminal
17:54.44JeffMhow old are you?
17:55.20daps_real old , more than 40 less than 60
17:55.29JeffMdoubtfull
17:55.40daps_why do you say?
17:55.41JeffM-window -geometry 800x600
17:56.01JeffMthe way you act
17:56.01JeffMbut could just be text
17:56.01JeffMno biggie
17:56.06JeffMis this system a laptop or a desktop?
17:57.00daps_desktop
17:57.22JeffMit would be best if you got a real video card for the system
17:57.33JeffMthe intel onboard stuff is not that good and has many problems
17:58.11blast007that board has an AGP slot
17:58.12daps_what I now have is that since I did the bzflag stuff in terminal my screen resolution is not permantley stuck in 800 x 600 mode
17:58.21blast007so quite possible to get a fairly good card
17:58.31daps_yes it does have an agp card slot
17:58.52JeffMbasicly the problem that you have is, your intel chipset can't change resolutions
17:59.01JeffMit's a common problem with the linux drivers
17:59.08JeffMthe way around it is to to run bzflag in a window
17:59.11JeffMhence the command line
17:59.25JeffMthe best solution is to get a video card that can do a proper res swap
17:59.30JeffMlike an nvidia card
17:59.49daps_when I change my  screen resolution back to 1024 x 768 it won't fit the screen not matter what I do
18:00.00JeffMif that is not an option then you can play with the various settings in bzflag to see if there is ANY res that your card does, or just run it in a window
18:00.06JeffMyeah the window takes a bit
18:00.27blast007daps_: reboot or restart your X
18:01.09blast007Ctrl+Alt+Backspace restarts X, iirc (which will also kill any apps you have running in your X session)
18:01.23blast007but worth a try compared to a full reboot
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18:24.29SportChickJeffM: and here too :D
18:29.50JeffMTimRiker, what did you get?
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18:31.21TimRikerget? oh, new machine? dell inspiron 530 refurb 2.4G quad, 3G ram, with an asus 9600GSO
18:32.03JeffMdecent midrange
18:32.10TimRikerit's still running vista (gag) till I find the nic drivers etc.
18:32.14JeffMthe Q6600 is a good chicp
18:32.24JeffMI run vista on mine and it's fine
18:32.53TimRikerspent like $430 total including shipping. not including the monitor. dell 24" I already have.
18:33.00JeffMcool
18:33.19TimRikernice machine for that price. :)
18:33.25JeffMVC8 will even use all those cores and build bzflag in like 3 min :)
18:33.57TimRikerhehe. don't have vc8, but I'll try make -j6 or so once I get Linux on it.
18:34.15JeffMyou can get VC8
18:34.19JeffMit's free ;)
18:34.44TimRikeryeah? hmm. should try that then just for kicks.
18:34.58JeffMexpress eddition is free
18:35.12JeffMyou'd need the platform SDK and the direct SDK too
18:35.18JeffMbut yeah it's prety easy
18:35.27JeffMthinks EE does multi-core builds
18:35.37TimRikerthis one? http://www.microsoft.com/express/vc/
18:35.41JeffMyeah
18:35.47JeffMthe current one is VC9 )2008)
18:35.54JeffMI prefer 2005 (VC8)
18:35.58JeffMit's still available
18:36.29JeffMif you want to build trunk then you can just grab the current DX SDK, if you want to build branch then you need one from april 2007
18:36.45JeffMtrunk should build right out of the box tho
18:36.50JeffMif you pick debug or release targets
18:37.17JeffMbranch needs libcurl and curses and glew and stuff
18:37.24TimRikerhmm... "Royalty-free license (for personal use)" probably does not include releasing anything then?
18:37.36JeffM2005 has that license, 2008 removes it IIRC
18:37.50JeffMbut yeah it's not intended for distro use, just people to learn and play etc..
18:37.59JeffMstill better then what it was back in the day
18:38.04TimRikernods
18:38.27JeffMwe made sure trunk builds on EE to make it easy to get people into dev
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18:49.57JeffMtemp_work, what did you want to add to your order?
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19:17.58JeffMhttp://picasaweb.google.com/JeffM2501/Shirts#5267478842584712402
19:21.09blast007hehe, never saw the "tank"top one before  ;D
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19:29.45JeffMbrlcad has that
19:59.31temp_workJeffM, hang those in the bathroom while you shower and you won't have to iron them
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20:57.07JeffMtemp_work, what did you want to add to your order?
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