| 00:01.52 | JeffM | Fiberchunks, no it was not a macbook |
| 00:02.01 | JeffM | it was a dell 1525 |
| 00:02.03 | JeffM | IIRC |
| 00:02.19 | Fiberchunks | ah, thanks much |
| 00:02.40 | JeffM | the vostros have some good deals now |
| 00:02.48 | JeffM | basicly you look for cupons before you buy |
| 00:03.37 | Fiberchunks | I think I'll probably hunt around dell and see what they've got and available nvidia cards -- then hunt for coupon-age |
| 00:04.21 | JeffM | yeah the system I got is nearly identical, hardware wise to a macbook |
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| 00:04.26 | JeffM | slightly higher screen res IIRC |
| 00:05.44 | Fiberchunks | well, like I said -- the biggest factors for me are: graphics card, display size, network adapter 'bueno'-ness, and then CPU speed -- the rest is all cake |
| 00:05.47 | JeffM | the 15inch macbooks run 1440x900, and I got 1680x1050 |
| 00:06.05 | JeffM | I got the intel wireless card for it |
| 00:06.19 | JeffM | it was like 20$ more |
| 00:06.20 | Fiberchunks | which intel wireless - the 3945 abg card? |
| 00:06.26 | JeffM | maybe |
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| 00:06.30 | JeffM | something like that |
| 00:06.37 | Fiberchunks | k |
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| 00:18.52 | Winny | JeffM: any shirt updates? |
| 00:19.01 | Winny | it's gettin chilly up here ;) |
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| 00:34.46 | JeffM | Winny, they shipped from the factory yesterday |
| 00:34.55 | Winny | :D |
| 00:35.17 | spldart | Yay |
| 00:35.35 | me1 | oh, i thought you said they arrived yesterday :( |
| 00:37.47 | JeffM | no, they shipped FROM the factory |
| 00:38.05 | JeffM | 4-5 biz days for fedex to get to me |
| 00:38.12 | JeffM | so mid next week |
| 00:38.17 | me1 | then 4-5 to us? |
| 00:45.45 | blast007 | they need to figure out how to email fabric |
| 00:46.11 | temp_dist | JeffM: I just see the old style shirts at the store - are you selling those only until you run out? |
| 00:51.09 | JeffM | temp_dist, basicly yeah |
| 00:51.18 | JeffM | as I don't actualy HAVE the new ones yet |
| 00:51.26 | JeffM | when I do I'll let you know and you can add whatever you want |
| 00:51.50 | JeffM | you wanted to add on one of the chestnut ones? |
| 00:52.15 | temp_dist | yes in size M |
| 00:52.19 | JeffM | k |
| 00:52.36 | JeffM | I'll let you know when they get in, and add them to the store and you can combine the shipping |
| 00:52.43 | JeffM | I don't expect them till next week |
| 00:52.58 | temp_dist | Ok great - I'll watch for them too |
| 00:53.18 | JeffM | I also need to take some pictures of them for there new page |
| 00:53.37 | JeffM | I'd rather not have to relly just on my cheezy Photoshop skills |
| 00:53.46 | temp_dist | heh |
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| 13:12.45 | Cobra_Fast | hi |
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| 17:44.49 | Cobra_Fast | within 3 hours 0 written lines |
| 17:44.54 | Cobra_Fast | respect! |
| 17:45.18 | JeffM | ? |
| 17:45.45 | Cobra_Fast | this means: this is an idle-party here :) |
| 17:45.56 | JeffM | so |
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| 18:20.58 | Cobra_Fast | is it possible to compile BZFlag source with M$ Visual C++ 2008 ? |
| 18:21.16 | Cobra_Fast | do you need any add-ins to do that? |
| 18:21.22 | JeffM | what is the M$ company? |
| 18:21.27 | JeffM | I'm not familiar with them |
| 18:21.34 | Cobra_Fast | Microsoft |
| 18:21.46 | JeffM | ahh it seems your keyboard is broken |
| 18:21.48 | JeffM | yes |
| 18:21.49 | JeffM | it runs fine |
| 18:21.55 | Cobra_Fast | Micro$oft |
| 18:21.57 | Cobra_Fast | :P |
| 18:22.09 | Cobra_Fast | ok, ill try then |
| 18:22.12 | JeffM | that is not how they spell the company name |
| 18:22.17 | JeffM | you need the platform SDK |
| 18:22.21 | JeffM | and direct X |
| 18:22.35 | Cobra_Fast | i have DirectX |
| 18:22.41 | JeffM | and trunk should build out of the box |
| 18:22.43 | Cobra_Fast | 9.somewhat |
| 18:22.44 | JeffM | branch, not so much |
| 18:22.50 | JeffM | when was the SDK from? |
| 18:22.56 | Cobra_Fast | ? |
| 18:22.59 | JeffM | what date |
| 18:23.10 | Cobra_Fast | ehh what sdk? |
| 18:23.13 | JeffM | well what are you building trunk or branch? |
| 18:23.17 | blast007 | directx SDK... |
| 18:23.18 | JeffM | the direct X SDK |
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| 18:23.28 | Cobra_Fast | i do not have the direct x sdk |
| 18:23.29 | Cobra_Fast | :x |
| 18:23.31 | JeffM | just installing direct x itself dosn't give ou the SDK |
| 18:23.39 | Cobra_Fast | d'oh |
| 18:23.45 | JeffM | are you building branch or trunk? |
| 18:23.54 | Cobra_Fast | whats the difference? |
| 18:24.03 | blast007 | lots. |
| 18:24.04 | JeffM | 2.0.x vs 2.99.x |
| 18:24.11 | Cobra_Fast | 2.0.x |
| 18:24.15 | JeffM | don't |
| 18:24.24 | JeffM | 2.0.x dosn't build with 2008 |
| 18:24.27 | JeffM | use 2005 |
| 18:24.32 | L4m3r | not worth the effort for Windows anyway |
| 18:24.39 | JeffM | yeah just use the bins |
| 18:24.49 | Cobra_Fast | where do i get 2005 then from? |
| 18:25.00 | JeffM | express edition is on the internet |
| 18:25.01 | blast007 | same site. there's a "previous versions" link, iirc |
| 18:25.08 | JeffM | but you need a bunch of third party libs for branch |
| 18:25.16 | JeffM | curl, curses, glew |
| 18:25.27 | Cobra_Fast | :S |
| 18:25.30 | blast007 | pdcurses as well, if you want a nice bzadmin |
| 18:25.37 | Cobra_Fast | it was so easy in *nix |
| 18:25.39 | blast007 | and you need an older DirectX SDK |
| 18:25.45 | Cobra_Fast | why is it that hard in windows |
| 18:25.49 | blast007 | Cobra_Fast: no, you needed those deps on linux too |
| 18:25.53 | JeffM | Cobra_Fast, it's not, in trunk |
| 18:25.55 | blast007 | you probably just had them already from other stuff |
| 18:25.59 | L4m3r | mainly because Windows was not designed that way |
| 18:26.08 | JeffM | yeah it's actualy easier on windows using trunk |
| 18:26.17 | Cobra_Fast | but is trunk stable? |
| 18:26.18 | JeffM | why do you need to build branch? |
| 18:26.23 | JeffM | no |
| 18:26.24 | L4m3r | and, appropriately, this is because the binaries work fine for pretty much all Windows users |
| 18:26.25 | Cobra_Fast | see |
| 18:26.28 | JeffM | it's also not compatable |
| 18:26.30 | blast007 | Cobra_Fast: you won't be able to play on 2.0.x servers with trunk |
| 18:26.35 | JeffM | why do you need to build? |
| 18:26.53 | Cobra_Fast | want to do some small modifications (NO CHEATS!!!) |
| 18:26.58 | L4m3r | Don't ask, don't tell? lol |
| 18:27.15 | JeffM | what kinda mods? |
| 18:27.24 | Cobra_Fast | mousebox style and that stuff |
| 18:27.45 | JeffM | then read the readme |
| 18:27.51 | JeffM | and get all the stuff |
| 18:28.00 | Cobra_Fast | the readme in source? |
| 18:28.01 | Cobra_Fast | k |
| 18:28.14 | JeffM | that would be what you are developing on, the source |
| 18:28.49 | Cobra_Fast | okay |
| 18:28.57 | Cobra_Fast | then im going to collect all thos SDKs |
| 18:29.00 | Cobra_Fast | and stuff |
| 18:29.12 | Cobra_Fast | at work |
| 18:29.12 | Cobra_Fast | :D |
| 18:31.24 | Cobra_Fast | damn it |
| 18:31.30 | Cobra_Fast | it does not work with Vista |
| 18:31.33 | Cobra_Fast | -.- |
| 18:31.47 | JeffM | 2005? |
| 18:31.55 | Cobra_Fast | yes 2005 |
| 18:31.59 | JeffM | that's odd |
| 18:32.03 | Cobra_Fast | Unterstützte Betriebssysteme: Windows 2000 Service Pack 3; Windows 98; Windows 98 Second Edition; Windows ME; Windows Server 2003; Windows XP Service Pack 2 |
| 18:32.08 | JeffM | looks at his running copy of 2005 |
| 18:32.10 | Cobra_Fast | (Supported OS) |
| 18:32.11 | JeffM | under vista |
| 18:32.16 | JeffM | it works |
| 18:32.17 | Cobra_Fast | well |
| 18:32.21 | Cobra_Fast | the installer does not |
| 18:32.26 | JeffM | express may not |
| 18:32.27 | Cobra_Fast | *retry* |
| 18:32.33 | JeffM | I use the full one |
| 18:32.41 | Cobra_Fast | Microsoft Visual C++ 2005 Redistributable Package (x86) |
| 18:32.42 | blast007 | "Visual Studio 2005 SP1 Update for Windows Vista" |
| 18:32.53 | blast007 | that's not the installer |
| 18:33.06 | JeffM | Cobra_Fast, that's the runtimes |
| 18:33.07 | Cobra_Fast | Microsoft Visual C++ 2005 SP1 Redistributable Package (x86) <- ? |
| 18:33.09 | blast007 | that's the redist package for RUNNING stuff built with 2005 C++ |
| 18:33.17 | blast007 | you're not getting the right stuff |
| 18:33.18 | JeffM | and vista has them |
| 18:33.25 | Cobra_Fast | oh so i need |
| 18:33.28 | blast007 | and you're wanting to make code changes? :/ |
| 18:33.30 | JeffM | Cobra_Fast, do you know what you are doing? or randomly clicking? |
| 18:33.40 | Cobra_Fast | i knew in linux |
| 18:33.47 | JeffM | so randomly clicking then |
| 18:33.50 | Cobra_Fast | but im doing this with windows the first time |
| 18:34.00 | Cobra_Fast | so its more or less randomly clicking |
| 18:34.00 | JeffM | you need visual C++ 2005 express edition |
| 18:34.01 | Cobra_Fast | yes |
| 18:34.08 | Cobra_Fast | ok thx |
| 18:34.25 | JeffM | the reist dosnt' install on vista, because vista comes with the 2005 runtimes. |
| 18:34.39 | JeffM | the redist is for older systems that were made BEFORE 2005 |
| 18:34.46 | Cobra_Fast | Microsoft Visual C++ 2005 Express |
| 18:34.48 | Cobra_Fast | this one? |
| 18:34.50 | Cobra_Fast | *hope* |
| 18:34.54 | JeffM | yes |
| 18:34.58 | Cobra_Fast | yippie |
| 18:35.22 | JeffM | if you are more comfortable in linux just devlop in that |
| 18:35.25 | blast007 | you'll need the SP1 update too (for Visual C++ 2005) |
| 18:35.26 | Cobra_Fast | Microsoft Platform SDK <- this i do need also, right? |
| 18:35.31 | JeffM | yes |
| 18:35.36 | Cobra_Fast | but i more play with windows |
| 18:35.45 | Cobra_Fast | and linux bzflag does not work in windows |
| 18:35.52 | JeffM | and direct X SDK from april 2007 or BEFORE |
| 18:35.57 | Cobra_Fast | OK! |
| 18:35.58 | JeffM | not later |
| 18:36.00 | JeffM | ot it won't work |
| 18:36.17 | JeffM | only trunk works with post april 2007 |
| 18:38.48 | Cobra_Fast | the msdn website is like a labyrinth |
| 18:39.28 | JeffM | the readme in trunk has direct links to the SDKs IIRC |
| 18:39.50 | Cobra_Fast | Page Not Found |
| 18:39.55 | Cobra_Fast | great readme url |
| 18:39.55 | Cobra_Fast | :D |
| 18:40.07 | JeffM | what was the URL? |
| 18:40.14 | JeffM | you know since I can't read your mind |
| 18:40.28 | Cobra_Fast | http://msdn.microsoft.com/directx/sdk/readmepage/default.aspx |
| 18:40.39 | brlcad | but you read my mind all the time |
| 18:40.52 | JeffM | brlcad, that's cus I put nanites in your scotch |
| 18:40.59 | brlcad | mm.. |
| 18:41.09 | JeffM | http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=86cf7fa2-e953-475c-abde-f016e4f7b61a&displaylang=en |
| 18:41.21 | JeffM | google is a wonderfull thing |
| 18:41.42 | JeffM | all going well with the house brlcad ? |
| 18:41.47 | Cobra_Fast | thank you! |
| 18:42.10 | Cobra_Fast | genuine advantage plugin missing |
| 18:42.11 | Cobra_Fast | -.- |
| 18:42.29 | Cobra_Fast | does this plugin work with firefox as well? |
| 18:42.31 | JeffM | use IE, it's simpler |
| 18:42.59 | Cobra_Fast | yep works |
| 18:43.36 | Cobra_Fast | 441 MB |
| 18:43.48 | Cobra_Fast | lucky ... 945 MB free |
| 18:44.00 | JeffM | that's all you have free? |
| 18:44.04 | brlcad | JeffM: so far, just waiting now |
| 18:44.10 | Cobra_Fast | on my download partition, yes |
| 18:44.13 | brlcad | going to go measure it all up tomorrow and make a cad model for it |
| 18:44.19 | JeffM | hah |
| 18:44.32 | JeffM | I designed my coffietable in GibbsCAM |
| 18:44.37 | brlcad | :) |
| 18:44.40 | Cobra_Fast | the other partitons have about 1 to 1,8 GB free |
| 18:44.40 | JeffM | I just have to get the members cut |
| 18:44.57 | Cobra_Fast | but my home-file-server does have 86 GB free |
| 18:44.58 | Cobra_Fast | :D |
| 18:45.03 | JeffM | it was kinda cool to send my dad a parasolid of the table to see what he thought of it. |
| 18:45.42 | JeffM | does brlcad read x_t ? |
| 18:49.40 | brlcad | not directly, it's on the todo |
| 18:49.56 | JeffM | ACIS? |
| 18:50.46 | brlcad | nope |
| 18:50.54 | brlcad | proprietary engine, lots of restrictions |
| 18:51.02 | brlcad | useless for open source |
| 18:51.24 | brlcad | other than reading their .sat format, which is pretty straightforward |
| 18:52.05 | brlcad | but then the way we read sat is tied to a third party module too, not yet independent |
| 18:53.07 | JeffM | yeah we read it with ACIS and then build parasolid entities from the ACIS stream |
| 18:53.24 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/table/ |
| 18:53.37 | JeffM | yay for iges :) |
| 18:57.13 | Cobra_Fast | it all works fine so far |
| 18:59.45 | Cobra_Fast | 30 days until registration |
| 18:59.46 | Cobra_Fast | :/ |
| 18:59.51 | Cobra_Fast | i thought it was free |
| 18:59.51 | Cobra_Fast | lol |
| 19:03.26 | JeffM | express is free |
| 19:03.29 | JeffM | what did you download? |
| 19:03.56 | Cobra_Fast | Visual C++ 2005 Express |
| 19:04.10 | Cobra_Fast | but it says 30 days until need to register |
| 19:04.14 | JeffM | it may want you to register but it should still be free |
| 19:04.17 | Cobra_Fast | is it a free registration |
| 19:04.21 | Cobra_Fast | ah ok |
| 19:04.24 | JeffM | then there ya go |
| 19:04.50 | Cobra_Fast | i thought when microsoft wants me to register i have to pay |
| 19:04.51 | Cobra_Fast | lol |
| 19:05.15 | JeffM | well you have shown that you are very quick to make a number of false assumptions |
| 19:05.31 | Cobra_Fast | :) |
| 19:05.45 | Cobra_Fast | that's what im known for |
| 19:06.16 | JeffM | I would not call that a desirable attribute |
| 19:06.23 | Cobra_Fast | but when im working in linux most of my assumptions are correct |
| 19:07.04 | Cobra_Fast | only microsoft is kidding me |
| 19:07.06 | Cobra_Fast | :P |
| 19:13.08 | Cobra_Fast | so then i jsut need the curl stuff |
| 19:13.11 | L4m3r | is going to miss having access to the full version of VS for free from his school... sigh... |
| 19:14.24 | Cobra_Fast | which windows version do i need? |
| 19:14.35 | Cobra_Fast | Win32 - Generic or Win32 - MSVC |
| 19:17.40 | JeffM | well since you are using MicroSoft Visual C++, take a guess ;) |
| 19:17.51 | Cobra_Fast | *thinking* |
| 19:18.06 | Cobra_Fast | MSVC could stand for MicroSoft Virtual C |
| 19:18.12 | Cobra_Fast | so i think i need that |
| 19:18.16 | JeffM | there ya go |
| 19:18.26 | Cobra_Fast | see, i assumpted right |
| 19:18.27 | Cobra_Fast | :D |
| 19:19.30 | Cobra_Fast | so i take the latest version |
| 19:19.31 | Cobra_Fast | :] |
| 19:19.46 | Cobra_Fast | or do i need SSL support? |
| 19:20.10 | JeffM | that wasn't an assumption, you thought about it and made an informed choice based on research |
| 19:20.27 | JeffM | bzflag does not use SSL unless you plan on using HTTPS URLs |
| 19:20.44 | Cobra_Fast | so i can take the newer but SSL-Less version |
| 19:20.51 | JeffM | yas |
| 19:21.02 | JeffM | you'll need a zlib dll if you use that premade version |
| 19:21.03 | Cobra_Fast | great |
| 19:21.20 | Cobra_Fast | nooooo |
| 19:21.23 | Cobra_Fast | not more stuff |
| 19:21.25 | Cobra_Fast | x.x |
| 19:21.32 | brlcad | loads up the table in brl-cad, renders |
| 19:21.51 | Cobra_Fast | so where do i get a zlib dll from? |
| 19:22.22 | Cobra_Fast | i do search myself |
| 19:22.24 | Cobra_Fast | :P |
| 19:22.36 | JeffM | the zlib site IIRC |
| 19:22.45 | JeffM | or just use the libcurl dll from our bin version |
| 19:22.47 | JeffM | that's simpler |
| 19:23.29 | Cobra_Fast | from what where |
| 19:23.41 | JeffM | the bzflag installer |
| 19:23.45 | JeffM | installs a libcurl |
| 19:23.47 | JeffM | dll |
| 19:23.48 | Cobra_Fast | yes |
| 19:23.50 | JeffM | you can use that |
| 19:23.56 | JeffM | instead of the one you just downloaded |
| 19:23.58 | JeffM | when you run |
| 19:24.03 | JeffM | then you won't need the zlib |
| 19:24.10 | Cobra_Fast | okay |
| 19:24.15 | JeffM | you will just use the headers and link libs from your download |
| 19:25.15 | Cobra_Fast | there is the dll |
| 19:25.20 | Cobra_Fast | where to put it now? |
| 19:25.27 | JeffM | root of bzflag source dir |
| 19:25.40 | JeffM | thats where vc will copy the game exe |
| 19:26.13 | Cobra_Fast | and what else to copy in there? |
| 19:26.29 | Cobra_Fast | i need anything from the zip i downloaded? |
| 19:27.47 | Cobra_Fast | ah i need it for vcpp |
| 19:27.52 | Cobra_Fast | is written there |
| 19:29.07 | Cobra_Fast | so i now can start vcpp |
| 19:30.12 | Cobra_Fast | OK there it is and what to load now? |
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| 19:43.33 | Cobra_Fast | i cant open the project files |
| 19:44.03 | Cobra_Fast | ah the 7.1 works |
| 19:47.46 | Cobra_Fast | its unabled to open windows.h |
| 20:01.02 | Cobra_Fast | where do i add libcurl to the Visual C++ Configuration? |
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| 20:46.04 | blast007 | Cobra_Fast: that would mean the platform SDK isn't installed or set up right in VC |
| 20:46.40 | blast007 | http://www.microsoft.com/express/2005/platformsdk/default.aspx |
| 20:47.13 | blast007 | I would say you can skip step 4 there, unless you are wanting to write new software |
| 20:47.22 | blast007 | (hmm, 4 and 5) |
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| 21:02.15 | Winny | anyone in have a netbook they like or would recommend? |
| 21:03.36 | me1 | I read that as "anyone in want a netbook they like?" at first |
| 21:05.40 | BulletCatcher | I like my MacBook. |
| 21:07.51 | Winny | BulletCatcher: that's not a netbook :) |
| 21:08.20 | BulletCatcher | read "notebook" Sorry. |
| 21:09.29 | blast007 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_netbooks ;) |
| 21:11.14 | Winny | ooh |
| 21:11.39 | blast007 | the cloudbook looks interesting |
| 21:11.59 | blast007 | even has a DVI out |
| 21:12.41 | blast007 | could also get an N800 and a bluetooth keyboard ;) |
| 21:14.56 | Winny | too bad apple didn't have a netbook :( |
| 21:15.04 | Winny | doesn't* |
| 21:18.34 | blast007 | the Cloudbook MAX looks interesting (not out yet though) |
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| 21:29.42 | joevano | Winny, i like my eee 901 |
| 21:29.56 | Winny | can it run vista? I don't remember |
| 21:30.24 | joevano | it comes with XP, but i have seen people getting vista to run on it |
| 21:30.30 | joevano | or linux* |
| 21:31.00 | joevano | not sure how well vista would run on it though |
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| 21:49.22 | AAA_awright | Winny: Uh, the Apple Air? |
| 21:49.36 | Winny | AAA_awright: netbook, not thin laptop :P |
| 21:50.01 | AAA_awright | It is "designed for the wireless life" or something |
| 21:50.11 | blast007 | it's not a netbook though |
| 21:50.18 | me1 | it's also lame |
| 21:50.25 | blast007 | "A netbook is a small to medium sized, light-weight, low-cost, energy-efficient laptop, generally optimized for internet based services such as web browsing and e-mailing." |
| 21:50.50 | AAA_awright | What constitutes a netbook? By the word "net" the Air qualifies, it is designed for Internet use, Wi-Fi, remote connecting, etc. |
| 21:51.21 | Winny | generally screen size <9-10 inches |
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| 21:52.09 | me1 | AAA_awright, it also doesn't fit into "low-cost" by a long run. |
| 21:52.29 | blast007 | the mac air cost more than my gaming system ;) |
| 21:53.11 | JeffM | generaly netbooks have models in the 300-500$ range |
| 21:53.16 | AAA_awright | "Net" doesn't sound that low cost |
| 21:53.23 | AAA_awright | But meh |
| 21:53.39 | me1 | AAA_awright, a netbook is a cheap computer used for web browsing, thus 'net' |
| 21:53.53 | me1 | you don't need $2000 to browse the web |
| 21:53.55 | JeffM | I'd like see the dell one |
| 21:54.44 | Winny | yeah, dell mini looks neat |
| 21:56.33 | JeffM | ponders setting up a media center PC |
| 21:56.35 | Winny | looks like it boots really quick - neat |
| 21:57.14 | blast007 | JeffM: I've been wanting to do one of those for a while |
| 21:57.23 | blast007 | been looking at some of the newer mini-itx boards |
| 21:57.50 | JeffM | I was just gonna put it in a normal case |
| 21:57.55 | JeffM | have to find a mobo and ram tho |
| 21:58.11 | JeffM | I have an 8800GT I don't know what to do with |
| 21:58.17 | blast007 | ah |
| 21:58.33 | JeffM | I saw some ATX cases that looked like sterio components |
| 21:58.37 | JeffM | horizontal style |
| 21:58.40 | blast007 | yeah, I was looking at a tiny intel board with onboard graphics and HDMI |
| 21:58.55 | JeffM | you have a TV that takes HDMI? |
| 21:59.03 | blast007 | not yet ;) |
| 22:00.01 | blast007 | so it's been a low priority project |
| 22:00.31 | JeffM | friend of mine gave me a tube HD TV that has component inputs |
| 22:00.40 | JeffM | so HDMI is not a huge concern |
| 22:00.57 | JeffM | but do wonder how much content won't play over comonent |
| 22:01.12 | blast007 | I'd have probably run it through my dell screen with a DVI adapter |
| 22:01.31 | blast007 | hmm, or maybe this board has DVI |
| 22:02.48 | Winny | JeffM: blu-ray, HDDVD, etc |
| 22:03.03 | JeffM | Winny, good thing I don't have any of those :) |
| 22:04.42 | Winny | :) |
| 22:08.46 | JeffM | mostly I'd like to be able to watch iTunes shows in HD |
| 22:09.18 | JeffM | I looked into the apple TV and it's ok, just a little weak on the CPU |
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| 22:31.51 | Fiberchunks | do any of you linux wizards know of any working way to convert .swf to .avi (or any other type of reasonable media format) |
| 22:32.27 | Fiberchunks | i've tried ffmpeg, mencoder and some other googly results, but no joy |
| 22:32.56 | me1 | http://zamzar.com/ |
| 22:33.38 | Fiberchunks | filetype conversion for swf not currently supported |
| 22:33.59 | me1 | oh |
| 22:34.57 | Fiberchunks | I've been trying a bunch of online converters too -- it's amazing how much suck there is with an swf file :\ |
| 22:35.54 | rowrbazzle | well swf isn't a video format |
| 22:36.01 | rowrbazzle | though flv is |
| 22:36.04 | JeffM | yeah it's a small program |
| 22:36.18 | Fiberchunks | oh ... |
| 22:36.26 | JeffM | you basicly need a flash renderer that sends each frame out to a video compressor |
| 22:36.36 | JeffM | so it's not the same as just converting one thing to another |
| 22:36.42 | rowrbazzle | you'd think there should be some 'offline renderer' but there isn't even a decent third party flash player plugin |
| 22:36.47 | JeffM | you can encode video into a SWF, but the SWF does a LOT more |
| 22:37.29 | Fiberchunks | I essentially just want to be able to view the thing without firing up a browser to do it -- seems silly |
| 22:37.45 | JeffM | the browser has the real flash renderer |
| 22:37.46 | rowrbazzle | your best bet is probably to open in macromedia/adobe flash player and screen record |
| 22:38.00 | JeffM | or see if they have a way to extact the video |
| 22:38.04 | Fiberchunks | that's one of the solutions I've been looking at ... |
| 22:38.13 | rowrbazzle | well actually |
| 22:38.19 | Fiberchunks | the screen record option, that is |
| 22:38.36 | rowrbazzle | there was a standalone swf player released at one point with Flash |
| 22:39.21 | JeffM | flash may have the option to save as an EXE, then you could run it in wine :) |
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| 22:39.30 | Fiberchunks | heh |
| 22:40.46 | rowrbazzle | gflashplayer, which came with flash 9 for linux |
| 22:40.54 | rowrbazzle | but doesn't seem to come with flash 10 |
| 22:42.39 | rowrbazzle | if you can find it I think it'll do what you're looking for |
| 22:43.11 | Fiberchunks | looking ... |
| 22:43.11 | rowrbazzle | (including zooming to fullscreen to really take advantage of the vector nature of flash) |
| 22:52.47 | TD-Linux | opening it in konqueror or firefox will zoom |
| 22:53.17 | TD-Linux | oh, I see you were trying to get around that :P |
| 22:53.22 | TD-Linux | gflashplayer is probably your best bet |
| 22:58.05 | rowrbazzle | TD-Linux: now that you mention it, so it does, if you view just the swf. But that's a pretty heavy weight media player ;) |
| 23:02.15 | Fiberchunks | hrm ... there is swftools, which has swfextract that i'm learning about now ... |
| 23:02.54 | JeffM | not all SWF files are digital video streams |
| 23:05.12 | Fiberchunks | there's frames, and pngs, and shapes and all sorts of stuff in these files -- I've got to learn about the swf binary I suppose |
| 23:05.28 | JeffM | the are also interactive |
| 23:06.24 | TD-Linux | most flash animations in the internet are vector based |
| 23:06.37 | JeffM | well they used to be |
| 23:06.45 | TD-Linux | Fiberchunks, have fun with that |
| 23:06.47 | JeffM | but since youtube hit the sceene |
| 23:06.52 | TD-Linux | two free players exist already |
| 23:06.56 | TD-Linux | swfdec and gnash |
| 23:06.58 | TD-Linux | neither work well |
| 23:07.03 | JeffM | imbeding video is very popular |
| 23:07.06 | Think_Differentl | if there is an flv embedded in an swf, you can extract it |
| 23:07.06 | TD-Linux | flash only recently released its spec |
| 23:07.15 | Fiberchunks | TD-Linux, yeah, I looked at those first :\ |
| 23:07.17 | TD-Linux | before, they were under the license that you couldn't make your own player with them |
| 23:07.26 | TD-Linux | and I think flash 10 is still secret |