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| 00:55.17 | brlcad | DTRemenak: curious, what was the error? |
| 00:55.46 | Erroneous | assigning from const to non-const |
| 00:56.04 | Erroneous | and scan can't be const, because we assign to it |
| 00:56.21 | brlcad | ooh, should have probably set them to std::strings |
| 00:57.06 | Erroneous | then you end up copying memory |
| 00:57.13 | brlcad | yep |
| 00:57.36 | Erroneous | just cheated and const_casted |
| 00:57.49 | brlcad | dunno, unconstifying something always seemed very evil to me, worse evil than something that impacts performance |
| 00:58.27 | brlcad | odd that gcc didn't complain, or maybe I just didnt' notice a warning |
| 00:58.40 | Erroneous | the other option is to overload the function to do char* func(char*) as well as const char* func(const char*) |
| 00:58.49 | Erroneous | which is probably the "right" thing to do |
| 00:58.54 | brlcad | yeah |
| 00:59.14 | Erroneous | unconstifying doesn't seem evil when the source string wasn't const to begin with ;) |
| 01:00.09 | brlcad | hmm.. you could get the const pointer back, subtract it from the original and increment the non-const pointer by that much ... :-) |
| 01:00.40 | Erroneous | gah! |
| 01:00.47 | brlcad | chuckles a hearty evil laugh |
| 01:00.51 | CIA-40 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r18904 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: protect against null tanks |
| 01:01.22 | Erroneous | and the reason it didn't show up in gcc is because you didn't crosscompile for windows |
| 01:01.25 | Erroneous | it was in WinMain ;) |
| 01:01.42 | brlcad | there's string processing in winmain?? |
| 01:01.49 | Erroneous | yeah, option parsing |
| 01:01.59 | brlcad | huh |
| 01:01.59 | Erroneous | globification, quote handling, etc |
| 01:02.03 | Erroneous | windows doesn't do it |
| 01:02.14 | brlcad | ah, intervesting |
| 01:03.18 | brlcad | so running: bzfs -public "foo man choo" <-- results in: argv == {"bzfs", "-public", "\"foo", "man", "choo\"", NULL} ? |
| 01:03.24 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 01:03.28 | brlcad | heh |
| 01:03.32 | Erroneous | nice huh? |
| 01:03.33 | brlcad | that's pretty retarded |
| 01:03.36 | CIA-40 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r18905 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/bzflag.cxx: get rid of a silly fixed buffer |
| 01:04.17 | Erroneous | actually not sure if it's true for bzfs. console apps get handled slightly differently |
| 01:04.19 | brlcad | makes a mental note |
| 01:04.24 | brlcad | ahh |
| 01:04.25 | Erroneous | which is insane in and of itself |
| 01:04.40 | TD-Linux | brlcad, whathuh? this is windows only? |
| 01:05.39 | CIA-40 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r18906 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/AudioMenu.cxx: don't allocate an extra HUDuiList |
| 01:06.01 | brlcad | makes plans for all of the new goodies he's going to populate the house with |
| 01:06.05 | brlcad | TD-Linux: apparently |
| 01:14.22 | Erroneous | mildly suspects that at least one of these changes is gonna break something for someone |
| 01:18.59 | CIA-40 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r18907 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/InputMenu.cxx: don't leak another HUDuiList |
| 01:22.56 | CIA-40 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r18908 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/bzflag.cxx: missed a reference |
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| 01:41.46 | delusional | is seems to break in the same place for me. bzflag[3026:10b] *** -[NSLayoutManager glyphRangeForTextContainer:]: given container does not appear in the list of containers for this NSLayoutManager. |
| 01:41.46 | delusional | Bus error |
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| 01:47.29 | Think_Differentl | ...the wheels on the bus go round and round... |
| 01:48.00 | MindstormsKid | O_O |
| 01:51.03 | a_meteorite | Think_Differentl: and don't fall down! </lame rhyme> |
| 01:51.36 | Think_Differentl | a_meteorite, that's not how it goes. |
| 01:57.28 | me1 | ...round and round and round and round and round and round and round an.. *gasp* *dropded* |
| 01:59.35 | me1 | delusional, about the data folder, I'm not sure if it's the same on vista or not, I think under vista it's like "programs" instead of "program files" |
| 01:59.39 | me1 | not sure though |
| 02:00.37 | delusional | what is this "vista" of which you speak? |
| 02:00.46 | me1 | Windows Vista |
| 02:00.53 | delusional | ???? |
| 02:01.15 | delusional | sorry, |
| 02:01.36 | me1 | There is Windows 98, 2000, xp, and vista |
| 02:01.40 | TheRedBaron | its still 'Program Files' |
| 02:01.40 | me1 | (and a few others) |
| 02:01.43 | MindstormsKid | delusional: O_O |
| 02:01.43 | me1 | mmkay |
| 02:01.45 | me1 | just making sure |
| 02:01.47 | TheRedBaron | windows ME FTW ! |
| 02:03.05 | delusional | I hear that microsoft is gonna release Mac OS 7 next. |
| 02:03.15 | me1 | no |
| 02:03.20 | me1 | it's called WINDOWS 7 |
| 02:03.23 | MindstormsKid | lol |
| 02:03.28 | MindstormsKid | dies |
| 02:03.40 | me1 | Microsoft does not own Mac OS |
| 02:03.40 | MindstormsKid | delusional: were you joking? >_> |
| 02:03.43 | me1 | that's APPLE |
| 02:03.55 | MindstormsKid | or are you that much of a n00b? >_> |
| 02:04.10 | MindstormsKid | finds that very weird |
| 02:04.13 | me1 | is joking, and gets the joke, btw :P |
| 02:04.39 | MindstormsKid | huh..? |
| 02:13.29 | me1 | OS 7 is an old version of Mac OS... |
| 02:14.39 | blast007 | I think the real joke is that Windows is trying to be more like OSX |
| 02:15.02 | delusional | someday they'll be as good as mac was, in 1993 |
| 02:15.03 | blast007 | shrugs |
| 02:15.13 | me1 | blast007, it seems that i was correct |
| 02:15.21 | blast007 | yup |
| 02:15.50 | me1 | Windows 7 actually seems to be pretty good, "what vista _should_ have been" |
| 02:16.24 | blast007 | delusional: hmm? Wasn't paying attention. I was too busy playing a game. ;) |
| 02:16.25 | MindstormsKid | XP FTW |
| 02:16.43 | MindstormsKid | :D |
| 02:16.49 | me1 | Vista isn't that bad after you get past how bad it is... |
| 02:16.49 | blast007 | vista is not a bad os |
| 02:16.55 | blast007 | .. |
| 02:16.58 | me1 | heh |
| 02:16.59 | MindstormsKid | vista sucks |
| 02:17.04 | me1 | no it doesn't |
| 02:17.06 | MindstormsKid | :D |
| 02:17.08 | blast007 | negative |
| 02:17.30 | MindstormsKid | blast007: are you good at math? |
| 02:17.55 | blast007 | sure, 1+1=3, for large values of 1 |
| 02:17.57 | TD-Linux | windows 7 looks like windows vista with a new color scheme |
| 02:18.13 | TD-Linux | they say they made many under-the-hood improvements |
| 02:18.14 | temp_dist | pink? |
| 02:18.15 | MindstormsKid | blast007: sine and cosine? |
| 02:18.23 | MindstormsKid | :P |
| 02:18.25 | TD-Linux | which they then contradict themself by describing them as UI changes |
| 02:18.35 | me1 | they can have both |
| 02:18.47 | TD-Linux | but that's not what they said |
| 02:18.56 | me1 | well why not? |
| 02:19.05 | TD-Linux | no clue |
| 02:19.24 | me1 | why are you so unknowledgeable about this? |
| 02:19.34 | TD-Linux | because I don't know how microsoft thinks |
| 02:19.40 | me1 | and why not? |
| 02:20.43 | MindstormsKid | blast007: do you know sine and cosine? |
| 02:20.49 | me1 | likes the new taskbar |
| 02:20.59 | blast007 | MindstormsKid: barely |
| 02:21.09 | MindstormsKid | ok good |
| 02:21.13 | blast007 | I had fun trying to remember how those worked when I was making a game... |
| 02:21.25 | MindstormsKid | i need help with a script that makes arcs D: |
| 02:21.39 | blast007 | I'm probably not the best one to ask |
| 02:21.45 | MindstormsKid | :/ |
| 02:21.54 | blast007 | I had even forgotten that the angles in that stuff go counter clockwise ;) |
| 02:22.14 | blast007 | google is your friend |
| 02:22.19 | MindstormsKid | it makes like 81 arcs and 81 physics drives |
| 02:22.35 | MindstormsKid | i want it to drive the tank to the center |
| 02:22.48 | MindstormsKid | it does that, but not very well :P |
| 02:24.35 | blast007 | (but anyways, regarding vista again..) I think at this point it *is* an upgrade from XP, but can still use some fine tuning. It's quite stable (any stability issues I've had were crap drivers) and has some nice features. But of course, there's always things that I'm going to like from XP that they changed/removed. |
| 02:24.47 | blast007 | MindstormsKid: fun |
| 02:25.18 | MindstormsKid | blast007: i ask flying popcorn and he said i would need to use sine and cosine |
| 02:26.04 | TheRedBaron | blast007: i'm on vista right now. I Like it. |
| 02:26.15 | TheRedBaron | the netstack has been improved drastically |
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| 02:26.28 | blast007 | yeah, true IPv6 support is going to be nice |
| 02:26.36 | blast007 | s/true/full/ |
| 02:26.51 | TheRedBaron | blast007: webdav and mapped drives work much better |
| 02:26.55 | blast007 | think it might not have some of the more advanced IPSec stuff (limited to server 2008), but I can't recall |
| 02:27.20 | blast007 | I also like how the explorer windows don't lock up for slow operations |
| 02:27.30 | MindstormsKid | oh.. |
| 02:27.35 | MindstormsKid | that reminds me |
| 02:27.39 | me1 | blast007, where? |
| 02:27.53 | MindstormsKid | blast007: why do you have a "firefox sucks" thing on your sig?! |
| 02:28.06 | blast007 | MindstormsKid: try a different browser |
| 02:28.06 | MindstormsKid | O_O |
| 02:28.09 | temp_dist | he doesn't |
| 02:28.15 | MindstormsKid | yes he does |
| 02:28.16 | temp_dist | it's a Safari Sucks |
| 02:28.27 | MindstormsKid | it /was/ firefox sucks |
| 02:28.27 | blast007 | no, it's says Internet Explorer sucks |
| 02:28.39 | MindstormsKid | IT SAID FIREFOX SUCKS |
| 02:28.48 | me1 | Huh? Last time I checked it says Microsoft Windows Sucks |
| 02:28.52 | MindstormsKid | ... |
| 02:28.52 | temp_dist | it says Opera Sucks |
| 02:28.56 | blast007 | it said whatever browser you were using ;) |
| 02:28.58 | MindstormsKid | looks |
| 02:29.02 | temp_dist | hehe |
| 02:29.03 | MindstormsKid | WTF |
| 02:29.08 | temp_dist | lang |
| 02:29.17 | MindstormsKid | temp_dist: sorry O_o |
| 02:29.22 | temp_dist | lol |
| 02:29.27 | temp_dist | i have no authority here |
| 02:29.27 | blast007 | it's a basic script |
| 02:29.38 | blast007 | I have one for operating systems too |
| 02:29.42 | MindstormsKid | blast007: how do you do it? flash? |
| 02:29.46 | blast007 | no |
| 02:29.46 | blast007 | PHP |
| 02:29.49 | MindstormsKid | but |
| 02:29.56 | MindstormsKid | no PHP in forums :P |
| 02:30.11 | blast007 | it's an image on *my* server |
| 02:30.24 | MindstormsKid | um ok |
| 02:30.56 | MindstormsKid | kills blast007 |
| 02:31.01 | MindstormsKid | do you like firefox/ |
| 02:31.02 | MindstormsKid | ? |
| 02:31.25 | Think_Differentl | when you see that image on the page, it has to get it from blast007's server. when you contact his server, it runs the script, give you the image based on the browser |
| 02:32.18 | me1 | blast007, does it use premade bars, or does it generate them with a certian font and loads the logo from a db? |
| 02:33.01 | blast007 | me1: uses a TTF font |
| 02:33.14 | blast007 | and a PNG image for the logo and background |
| 02:33.23 | blast007 | and then uses the GD functions to put it all together |
| 02:33.28 | me1 | so it gernerates them? |
| 02:33.30 | me1 | ahh |
| 02:33.34 | me1 | okay |
| 02:33.39 | Think_Differentl | so what happens when you tell it that you're using a strange browser? |
| 02:33.45 | Think_Differentl | does it default to IE? |
| 02:33.50 | me1 | it does a ? mark |
| 02:33.52 | blast007 | Think_Differentl: not sure |
| 02:34.00 | blast007 | I should make it say "You suck" for that case ;) |
| 02:34.08 | MindstormsKid | :P |
| 02:34.33 | me1 | I used the identity switcher or whatever and typed in random stuff, and it says unknown browser and a ? mark |
| 02:34.51 | blast007 | I used the detection code from BBClone and their icons |
| 02:34.59 | blast007 | me1: ah |
| 02:35.11 | blast007 | so I guess that's what BBClone does in those cases ;) |
| 02:35.49 | MindstormsKid | PHP sucks |
| 02:36.00 | MindstormsKid | :P |
| 02:36.10 | blast007 | no, your browser does |
| 02:36.19 | MindstormsKid | ... |
| 02:36.24 | MindstormsKid | j/k |
| 02:36.32 | blast007 | isn't |
| 02:36.37 | blast007 | ;) |
| 02:36.40 | MindstormsKid | but i like javascript better |
| 02:36.44 | MindstormsKid | smacks blast007 |
| 02:36.46 | me1 | wai? |
| 02:36.53 | blast007 | you can't really compare javascript to PHP |
| 02:36.55 | Think_Differentl | i like assembly more |
| 02:37.02 | MindstormsKid | blast007: yes you can.. |
| 02:37.08 | MindstormsKid | it's about the same |
| 02:37.13 | blast007 | unless you're doing something odd like running JS on the server side, with Jaxer (?) |
| 02:37.27 | MindstormsKid | except PHP has server-side stuff and no DOM stuff |
| 02:37.32 | blast007 | no, PHP runs on the server, Javascript runs on the client (typically) |
| 02:37.40 | MindstormsKid | i know :P |
| 02:38.06 | MindstormsKid | PHP has a bunch of server-side stuff, js doesn't, PHP has no DOM stuff, js does |
| 02:39.08 | me1 | ...so it's completely different? |
| 02:39.21 | MindstormsKid | erm |
| 02:39.23 | MindstormsKid | no |
| 02:39.26 | Think_Differentl | it's like saying a telephone is the same as a computer |
| 02:39.26 | me1 | hehe |
| 02:39.33 | MindstormsKid | other than that it's the same |
| 02:39.35 | MindstormsKid | >_> |
| 02:39.51 | me1 | a telephone and a computer is not the same |
| 02:39.54 | me1 | are |
| 02:40.15 | blast007 | MindstormsKid: so, they both use words and parenthesis and curly braces? wow, yeah, exactly the same |
| 02:40.19 | MindstormsKid | it has if {}, function blah(){}, numbers and boolean and date and such are the same |
| 02:40.28 | blast007 | wait, so does Java, and C/C++, and C# |
| 02:40.34 | MindstormsKid | they are both object-oriented, ect. |
| 02:40.37 | blast007 | they're all exactly the same! |
| 02:40.38 | MindstormsKid | O_O |
| 02:40.49 | me1 | zomg! |
| 02:40.55 | blast007 | you know, except for all of the important things |
| 02:40.58 | blast007 | but other than that.. |
| 02:40.59 | TheRedBaron | They conspire as one and are exactly the same ! |
| 02:41.11 | MindstormsKid | ... |
| 02:41.18 | blast007 | MindstormsKid: baically, they share some syntax, but that's about it |
| 02:41.40 | blast007 | that's fairly common syntax |
| 02:41.47 | AAA_awright | PHP has DOM stuff |
| 02:42.08 | MindstormsKid | it does> |
| 02:42.08 | blast007 | hmm, technically I guess it does: http://us.php.net/dom |
| 02:42.09 | MindstormsKid | ? |
| 02:42.31 | Think_Differentl | php can solve world hunger too! |
| 02:42.39 | blast007 | Think_Differentl: pfft, it already *has* |
| 02:42.53 | Think_Differentl | with what? the manuals? |
| 02:43.07 | blast007 | with PHP5 |
| 02:43.07 | blast007 | that was a feature |
| 02:43.07 | AAA_awright | It conforms to the DOM specification, but isn't as good as other XML interfaces, e.g. SimpleXML |
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| 04:36.00 | Quol | waves |
| 04:37.22 | DTRemenak | surfs the wave |
| 04:37.40 | Quol | hey DTRemenak, how are ya? |
| 04:37.51 | DTRemenak | doin' alright. and yourself? |
| 04:38.47 | Quol | not bad thnx...thought I would just take a brake from cakePHP and surf a bit :) thought I would stop in and see what's going on in bz-land |
| 04:39.02 | DTRemenak | not much new here, I'm afraid :) |
| 04:39.13 | Quol | ya - I am noticing that :) |
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| 06:04.51 | Fiberchunks | allo, is the bzwiki accurate as far as getting source from svn? |
| 06:12.24 | blast007 | should be |
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| 06:27.20 | Fiberchunks | blast007, well ... what I'm wondering is I just checked out the 2.0 branch (thinking it's current), but according to the changelog no development is continuing on it? |
| 06:29.20 | Fiberchunks | ah, I should've grabbed trunk -- my stupid |
| 06:29.47 | blast007 | ;) |
| 06:33.49 | Fiberchunks | here's a question ... I've currently got an ultra crappy emachines laptop I got for nothing (so I'm not complaining), but I'm looking for a laptop with @ least a 15" screen (more is better), with a kick-ass graphics card (nvidia) for preferably < $600 --- possible? |
| 06:34.56 | Fiberchunks | hard-drive size, RAM size (as long as it can support 4G), etc, doesn't really matter -- just really the graphics card and network card (something in the intel line, I suppose, or atheros chipset) |
| 06:37.36 | blast007 | want mine? :P (kidding...) |
| 06:38.03 | blast007 | I've got an Everex with a 7600GT graphics chip, but I don't like the system that much |
| 06:38.27 | blast007 | the CPU doesn't have enough cooling, so it clocks down to lower speeds a lot :/ |
| 06:38.35 | blast007 | (AMD Turion X2 ftl) |
| 06:47.36 | JeffM2501 | that's what was in my gateway that I ditched |
| 06:47.46 | JeffM2501 | the core2 in the dell is a lot better |
| 06:48.25 | blast007 | yeah, I wish I had gotten a C2D |
| 06:52.02 | Fiberchunks | that's what I was thinking, was a core2 of some nature -- but ... it seems ... that when you have a core2 and a decent nvidia card, all the other bells and whistles come with it (an nvidia X6XX series anyway) -- what do you guys recommend as the lowest spec for good bz perf. with an nvidia card? |
| 06:52.32 | JeffM2501 | how much do you want to spend, and what OS do you want? |
| 06:52.38 | JeffM2501 | that's the main thing |
| 06:53.04 | blast007 | "for preferably < $600" |
| 06:53.13 | JeffM2501 | you won't |
| 06:53.17 | Fiberchunks | OS don't really matter |
| 06:53.17 | JeffM2501 | you'll get an ATI for that |
| 06:53.22 | Fiberchunks | argh. |
| 06:53.24 | JeffM2501 | or onboard |
| 06:54.13 | Fiberchunks | alrighty then -- what do you suggest, oh great 3d guru, for a minimum spec nvidia for bzflag and general 3d stuff (perhaps solidworks, but light assemblies < say 200 subs |
| 06:54.23 | JeffM2501 | solidworks |
| 06:54.26 | Fiberchunks | heh |
| 06:54.28 | JeffM2501 | you will spend a grand |
| 06:55.23 | Fiberchunks | 7600 card any good -- solidworks really doesn't test the consumer cards, so I'm at a loss for finding decent info about the consumer -> quadro relation |
| 06:55.29 | JeffM2501 | it's meh |
| 06:55.40 | JeffM2501 | I have an 8600 and it's acceptable for cad work |
| 06:55.47 | JeffM2501 | quadro == no games |
| 06:55.58 | blast007 | I can't really say how good it is, because my CPU keeps clocking down to 800MHz while playing games :) |
| 06:56.03 | Fiberchunks | indeed, I was just curious about the relationship, since I know what works in the quadro realm |
| 06:56.46 | JeffM2501 | you are only going to find new systems with the 9xseriies |
| 06:56.53 | Fiberchunks | JeffM2501, what would be equivalent (if you know) to the 8600 in the quadro world (all other things being equal) |
| 06:57.02 | JeffM2501 | they arn't |
| 06:57.08 | Fiberchunks | I don't mind used or refurb |
| 06:57.18 | JeffM2501 | I know the 8600 is faster in our stuff then a lot of the low end quadros |
| 06:57.39 | JeffM2501 | for a while it was the fastest thing we had untill we tested an 8800GT IIRC |
| 06:58.08 | JeffM2501 | HP offers the 9600GT in there intel 15inch line |
| 06:58.22 | Fiberchunks | hmmm -- I go check now |
| 06:58.34 | JeffM2501 | I was never a huge fan of the low end 7k line |
| 06:59.11 | JeffM2501 | dell's 699 vostro comes with an 8400GS |
| 06:59.14 | JeffM2501 | it's not horible |
| 06:59.22 | blast007 | yeah, I'm not too impressed with the 7600GT even |
| 06:59.49 | blast007 | bzflag runs fine on it |
| 07:00.14 | blast007 | but I was hoping for HL2 ;) (which runs, just not fast) |
| 07:01.17 | Fiberchunks | games, besides bz, are not my big concern -- mostly the ability to handle relatively complex solidworks models / assemblies |
| 07:02.08 | JeffM2501 | after discounts I got a 2.4 gig core 2, with the 8600 for like 960$ |
| 07:02.12 | JeffM2501 | with the high res display |
| 07:02.19 | JeffM2501 | and an extra batery, etc.. |
| 07:02.25 | JeffM2501 | and that was about a year ago |
| 07:03.11 | JeffM2501 | sleeps |
| 07:05.35 | Fiberchunks | that was hp or dell? |
| 07:05.40 | Fiberchunks | oof, he's gone |
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| 16:17.28 | MindstormsKid | what teams are the rabbit and hunters, in rabbit mode? |
| 16:17.40 | MindstormsKid | for zones and such |
| 16:25.33 | MindstormsKid | >_> |
| 16:32.36 | BulletCatcher | There is no way to specify spawn zones for rabbits and hunters. Sorry. |
| 16:33.15 | MindstormsKid | grrrrr |
| 16:33.24 | MindstormsKid | that sucks |
| 16:33.37 | BulletCatcher | Basically, every tank spawns as a hunter. |
| 16:33.43 | MindstormsKid | blast007: can you make me a plugin for that? :P |
| 16:34.01 | MindstormsKid | BulletCatcher: oh |
| 16:35.39 | BulletCatcher | So there probably is no way at all to define a spawn zone in hunt-the-rabbit mode. |
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| 16:37.19 | BulletCatcher | "team 0" might do it |
| 16:38.08 | MindstormsKid | ok |
| 16:38.49 | blast007 | hunters are also a real team in 2.99.x |
| 16:39.23 | blast007 | (instead of using the rogue team) |
| 16:39.43 | MindstormsKid | what? |
| 16:40.27 | blast007 | MindstormsKid: in 2.0.x, hunters weren't a true team. It was just relabled rogues when the mode was rabbit chase. |
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| 16:57.52 | MindstormsKid | blast007: oooh lol |
| 16:58.07 | blast007 | yeah, lulz, I guess |
| 16:59.53 | MindstormsKid | oh |
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| 22:46.20 | delusional_ | ~mp |
| 22:46.21 | ibot | hmm... mp is Northern Mariana Islands |
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| 22:49.13 | temp_work | JeffM, ping |
| 22:53.56 | JeffM | ? |
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| 23:53.31 | Fiberchunks | JeffM, howdy -- missed asking you yesterday what your laptop make and model was ... |
| 23:53.52 | brlcad | he loves his Macbook Pro |
| 23:54.31 | Fiberchunks | oh, what he's describing was a macbook -- for $960? wowzers |
| 23:54.35 | Fiberchunks | and hey brlcad :) |
| 23:55.18 | brlcad | hey :) |
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